Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[bobdezon]

Yes we can all see your capable of dictionary.com insults, thats really brave of you to try out those big "2 dollar" words there champ.

Im brave in real life too, would you like me to threaten you with a good chakra aligning?

It would appear you are nothing but an oxygen thief, good day sir.

[bindeweede]

Bob,

Your name is Bob, and you are a trollop, therefore you are a public house.....

http://www.pubsnewcastle.co.uk/BobTrollop.html

Know what I mean?

[bobdezon]

lol say no more..............

[mahakala]

lol say no more..............

Of course you also know more about shamanism than this guy.

http://www.thefourwinds.com/about-alberto-villoldo.htm

[bindeweede]

Of course you also know more about shamanism than this guy.

http://www.thefourwinds.com/about-alberto-villoldo.htm

What I discovered was a set of sacred technologies that transform the body, heal the soul, and can change the way we live and the way we die. They explain that we are surrounded by a Luminous Energy Field (LEF) whose source is located in infinity. The LEF was a matrix that maintains the health and vibrancy of the physical body.

Utter tripe.

[bindeweede]

What I discovered was a set of sacred technologies that transform the body, heal the soul, and can change the way we live and the way we die. They explain that we are surrounded by a Luminous Energy Field (LEF) whose source is located in infinity. The LEF was a matrix that maintains the health and vibrancy of the physical body.

Utter tripe.

And more bollocks.....

http://www.munay-ki.org/

Even more total and utter shite....

http://www.dyingconsciously.org/

Chuffing Norah.....

http://www.inkasunstaff.org/

Do you know, I have fairies squatting in the hedge at the bottom of my garden.........but please don't worry about me....those nice gentlemen in their lovely white coats are coming, soon, to take me away to their "Happy Farm". Love and Light, forever.

[mahakala]

And more bollocks.....

http://www.munay-ki.org/

Even more total and utter shite....

http://www.dyingconsciously.org/

Chuffing Norah.....

http://www.inkasunstaff.org/

Do you know, I have fairies squatting in the hedge at the bottom of my garden.........but please don't worry about me....those nice gentlemen in their lovely white coats are coming, soon, to take me away to their "Happy Farm". Love and Light, forever.

Yeah, life is a pint of bitters, a good cigar, a bit of agro, and little in out, eh what.

See you at the milkbar.

[bindeweede]

Yeah, life is a pint of bitters, a good cigar, a bit of agro, http://www.inkasunstaff.org/

See you at the milkbar.

Well, Burton Ale is rather good, and so is London Pride. I don't smoke or engage in fisticuffs. Milkibar chocolate is too sweet for me - I assume that is what you talk of.

Oh sorry, Angostura! A bit too sophisticated for me.

It would be AWFULLY GOOD if you could communicate in a comprehensible way - and little in out, eh what.

Well, I think I comprehend what you are attempting to express.....

[mahakala]

Well, Burton Ale is rather good, and so is London Pride. I don't smoke or engage in fisticuffs. Milkibar chocolate is too sweet for me - I assume that is what you talk of.

Oh sorry, Angostura! A bit too sophisticated for me.

It would be AWFULLY GOOD if you could communicate in a comprehensible way - and little in out, eh what.

Well, I think I comprehend what you are attempting to express.....

Yes, I'm sure you do. But in order to honour your request:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000040/

[bobdezon]

Of course you also know more about shamanism than this guy.

http://www.thefourwinds.com/about-alberto-villoldo.htm

Again you offer nothing to the debate, but rather make unbased assumptions about my alleged expertise, very enlightened of you really isnt it? I know hes a medical anthropologist and psychologist with a Ph.D who has studied shamanism for the past 20 years. Im my opinion he is an "expert" in shamanism. That does not imply he is a shaman, or has magical abilities, but rather he has studied shamans and their practises. There is nothing unusual about that.

However he would appear to be trying to perform experiments that mix complimentary (read imaginary) medicines with actual psychological processes. While this sounds interesting it is ultimately useless as he is basing his assumption on his belief that shamanism has a bilogical influence. Shamanism is magic, not physical and subsequently has no effect on a person excepting a psychological one (if they believe), and possibly a pharmacological one if any "shaman juice" is injested (peyote springs to mind).

If you have a personal belief in this imaginary shamanism process then good for you, however it is just an imaginary process because it has no evidence it works. Might I suggest you become a member of the real world, where real phenomena has a real physical effect. Trust me, youll like it here.

[Matt]

Well, Burton Ale is rather good, and so is London Pride. I don't smoke or engage in fisticuffs. Milkibar chocolate is too sweet for me - I assume that is what you talk of.

Oh sorry, Angostura! A bit too sophisticated for me.

It would be AWFULLY GOOD if you could communicate in a comprehensible way - and little in out, eh what.

Well, I think I comprehend what you are attempting to express.....

He's talking in nadast in reference to Anthony Burgess's "A Clockwork Orange" I'm not sure what the reference is supposed to imply.

The protagonist Alex and his droogs used to meet up in a "Milk Bar" and drink "Moloko" a narcotic milk based drink before going out and randomly terrorising the neighbourhood. "A little in and out" was how Alex referred to sex or rape.

Of vague interest is that the final chapter was not present in the Amercian edition of the book, arguably reversing the moral message of the book. This expurgated version was the version from which Kubrick wrote the screenplay.

[mahakala]

Again you offer nothing to the debate, but rather make unbased assumptions about my alleged expertise, very enlightened of you really isnt it? I know hes a medical anthropologist and psychologist with a Ph.D who has studied shamanism for the past 20 years. Im my opinion he is an "expert" in shamanism. That does not imply he is a shaman, or has magical abilities, but rather he has studied shamans and their practises. There is nothing unusual about that.

However he would appear to be trying to perform experiments that mix complimentary (read imaginary) medicines with actual psychological processes. While this sounds interesting it is ultimately useless as he is basing his assumption on his belief that shamanism has a bilogical influence. Shamanism is magic, not physical and subsequently has no effect on a person excepting a psychological one (if they believe), and possibly a pharmacological one if any "shaman juice" is injested (peyote springs to mind).

If you have a personal belief in this imaginary shamanism process then good for you, however it is just an imaginary process because it has no evidence it works. Might I suggest you become a member of the real world, where real phenomena has a real physical effect. Trust me, youll like it here.

Oh so, psychological effects are not real either. But beliefs are. Weird. The formation of beliefs is all about psychological effects, or didn't you realise that.

[mahakala]

Again you offer nothing to the debate, but rather make unbased assumptions about my alleged expertise, very enlightened of you really isnt it? I know hes a medical anthropologist and psychologist with a Ph.D who has studied shamanism for the past 20 years. Im my opinion he is an "expert" in shamanism. That does not imply he is a shaman, or has magical abilities, but rather he has studied shamans and their practises. There is nothing unusual about that.

However he would appear to be trying to perform experiments that mix complimentary (read imaginary) medicines with actual psychological processes. While this sounds interesting it is ultimately useless as he is basing his assumption on his belief that shamanism has a bilogical influence. Shamanism is magic, not physical and subsequently has no effect on a person excepting a psychological one (if they believe), and possibly a pharmacological one if any "shaman juice" is injested (peyote springs to mind).

If you have a personal belief in this imaginary shamanism process then good for you, however it is just an imaginary process because it has no evidence it works. Might I suggest you become a member of the real world, where real phenomena has a real physical effect. Trust me, youll like it here.

I'm also wondering if you have had any significant real world experience with "complimentary" medicine, or your thoughts are informed by your beliefs and your imaginations, as you state is the case with Dr. Villoldo.

[bobdezon]

Oh so, psychological effects are not real either. But beliefs are. Weird. The formation of beliefs is all about psychological effects, or didn't you realise that.

I think Ive stated quite clearly that psychology is a worthy branch of cognative sciences, I believe it has value. I did not state psychological effects are not real, you would know that if you actually read my post. I do not know if a psychological effect formulates a belief or is merely influential in its contstruction, you would have to ask Dr B about that. I am not a psychologist. Perhaps you are a psychologist and actually know what you are talking about? but to be honest, judging from your nonsensicle posts it would appear you need help just tying your laces.

I'm also wondering if you have had any significant real world experience with "complimentary" medicine, or your thoughts are informed by your beliefs and your imaginations, as you state is the case with Dr. Villoldo.

How wold you define "significant real world experience", and "complimentary"? Incidentally everyones thoughts are likely to be formed by their beliefs and imagination, if it is part of the cognative process. I did not state what Villodo was doing except perhaps experiments. Nothing wrong with experimentation, however I doubt the results will be favourable.

Please read peoples replies it makes answering your questions much easier, and it will actually give you something to think about instead of just adding more unrelated questions to this thread.

[mahakala]

I think Ive stated quite clearly that psychology is a worthy branch of cognative sciences, I believe it has value. I did not state psychological effects are not real, you would know that if you actually read my post. I do not know if a psychological effect formulates a belief or is merely influential in its contstruction, you would have to ask Dr B about that. I am not a psychologist. Perhaps you are a psychologist and actually know what you are talking about? but to be honest, judging from your nonsensicle posts it would appear you need help just tying your laces.




How wold you define "significant real world experience", and "complimentary"? Incidentally everyones thoughts are likely to be formed by their beliefs and imagination, if it is part of the cognative process. I did not state what Villodo was doing except perhaps experiments. Nothing wrong with experimentation, however I doubt the results will be favourable.

Please read peoples replies it makes answering your questions much easier, and it will actually give you something to think about instead of just adding more unrelated questions to this thread.

I asked you if you had any real world experience, not just cruising the internet and reading other peoples opinions.

You also stated that complimentary medicine is all imaginary. Do you have any real world experience with complimentary medicine, or not?