Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[KrisKrowe]

Has anyone here contacted Lane? I could but I am in the stick end of nowhere listening to things go bang. If I do contact him would you belive what I post?

So Hansard escaps by Bowes efforts and the Pizza Guru sildes from the stage very cleverly pushed by Flying Saucer Man. Enter one company doing charity work and two bit palyers, they take the fall.

Dav

Like I said to Sarama Im gonna do my own digging today. I'll be speaking to Chris later and give him a heads up on whats occuring here.

I'll try and get in touch with this Lane geezer and ask him Whats the story.

Yeah the Hansard bit is funny Not. Bowe said he was only involved cos of CH and Bon but hes said nothing more about him anywhere and has been attacking Chris and TW instead. AFAIK theyve got no connection with this Bon stuff so whats the story there. Like I said conspiracy on top of conspiracy.

Theres some weird stuff going on here and a lot of hidden agendas. I WILL find out whats occuring. Whatever it takes.

Try and get some sleep. A bergen makes a good pillow.

KK

[Sarama]

Sarama

"Allo allo allo allo"

Ian Hunter Once Bitten Twice Shy

Bloody hell I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition

1 question. How long have people known that these meds were being made or sold Stateside?

KK

Thanks for the good humour KK. I am not sure how long they have been for sale, but it seems the formulator has been in business since 1975 according their site. The other thing to consider then is whether or not this gent is entitled to any of the money of the sales of the products it seem he originally formulated? I am not sure how that works when things are purchased through liquidation, nor am I well versed in copyright law such as who originally wrote the text and named them.

[mahakala]

My understanding is that supplements, herbs etc. are in the public domain, so to speak. Formulas cannot be trademarked. Trophic or Willard or Hansard or whomever could only have a possible lein on the packaging, brandname and so forth. Willard lost the rights to the Wildrose name a long time ago because he didn't read or understand the fine print when he first went into manufacturing. That's why Trophic owns it now. The same could have happened to Hansard.

[KrisKrowe]

Sarama

Thanks for the good humour KK. I am not sure how long they have been for sale, but it seems the formulator has been in business since 1975 according their site.

I think a bit of humour is essential.

You didnt quite get my question. It wasnt how long have the meds been on sale in the US but how long have people in these forums known about it.

I had a chat with Chris yesterday and he may pop up here when he has time.

TW will also be appearing here someday soon so you can talk to them direct. Like I said they brought someone in just to handle all this Bowe Web stuff so theyll be joining up here.

BTW Ive sent you a private message.

KK

[mahakala]

The products were on sale a few years ago under the name of Christopher Hansard. But he went bankrupt. The products showed up a month or two ago on Tibetan Way and that is when people here started talking about it. Perhaps Chris Farmer can speak to how long the recent incarnation of products has been circulating.

How come Hansard is getting away with all his deceptions? Does anyone know?

[vaidya]

Bowes motivations are pretty clear to me. Hes an evil frustrated wannabe.

Wannabe. He wants people to think hes oh so clever and expert but he cant back it up. He wants to be a big fish in a small pond like the RR forum. He was doing pretty well there till he picked on people with the cojones to fight back.

Frustrated. Hes frustrated cos no-one in the real world wants to listen to his crap. All the Tibetan orgs contacted by TW think hes a nutter.

Evil. He steals peoples identities and writes lies in their name. Just check out his blog (big thanx to Dav for the alert on that one) Hes posted there using Chris's name. Yeah theres some weasel worded small print to try and get himself off the hook but who reads the small print?

If you want to know about Bowes motivations you should keep checking those links. TW have got the full SP on him and its all going to come out. They are all pretty peaceful people but theyve had enough and they want to make sure he doesnt do this to anyone else.

KK I find these kind of statements suspicious. You don't know Hansard (unless you are him) and you don't know Bowe. Bowe is hardly evil, whatever else you might want to say. His primary thesis is that Hansard lied about his training and experiences and duped a large group of people through his personal charisma and juju. People sought him out and received treatment, confided very personal details of their lives - essentially, gave themselves to this "teacher", only to find that their confidences were betrayed through his fraud. From my reading, Bowe has been involved in Tibetan issues before he went after Hansard, and I can only guess that he has enough time and inclination to target Hansard for his fraudulent deceptions. If it weren't for Hansard we wouldn't be discussing Bowe, so all of you need to take a chill pill. It is clear that very few of you have any personal experience with Hansard and the dysfunctionality that surrounded him, and yet time is spent attacking Bowe. I think y'all need to refocus.

Youd have a point if they hadnt made it clear that the products are not Tibetan. They wrote all the Tibetan stuff cos they were going to be selling a load of stuff from Tibet and Nepal. They would be now if Bowe hadn't been wasting their time. Ive got no problem with your comment but you havent seen the whole pic yet.

Another very suspicious statement. Why name your website "Tibetan Way" if none of your products are Tibetan? What if I set up a website called Skeptic Universe and peddled homeopathic remedies? Might some of you get annoyed at this? I am also very tired of cultural appropriation, and Tibetan Way very much seems to be following in the mold established by Hansard. And given that they are selling the very same products formulated for Hansard (he clearly couldn't formulate himself), the entire enterprise should be called into question.

I know b*gg*r all bout Tibetan Medicine but I can read. If the Dalai Lama says that herb is Tibetan and used in their medicine thats enuff for me. Youve agreed its used that way so the big question is why did Bowe say it wasnt and say that the Dalai Lama's people agreed with him?

Bowe didn't mention just one herb, did he? Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error, although I am very confident that the Tibetans do not use prepared Chinese Angelica, which is stir-fried in rice wine, and is the herb used in this formula. So one small item in Bowe's criticism was wrong - but does this discount the rest? Bowe is absolutely correct that the Tibetan Way formulas are in large part Wild Rose knock offs.

Ive spent years in the music biz so I know a bit about cynical marketing. Bottom line is TW are already giving money to charities that do work for Tibet. If you start giving money away to things like that I dont think thats a cynical marketing ploy. If you dig round on the TW site theres a lot more there than just selling and theyre paying for all that.

I have my doubts about their integrity. In their "About Us" section, they state:

"Tibetan medicine is a science, art and philosophy that provides a comprehensive approach to life-care. In this the image of the Medicine Buddha is a typical example, contemplation upon the face of the Buddha is said to aid the trouble mind, yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera). The fruit of this tree was used to prepare elixirs of health. The myrobalam contains a remarkable amount of vitamin C and associated antioxidants. A thousand years before the western world was aware Tibetan doctors were prescribing vitamin C as part of a health tonic. "

This is clearly an indication of their fraudulent knowledge, since the myrobalan tree is actually Terminalia chebula. The entire statement is stupid, because Terminalia doesn't contain vitamin C. That would be Phyllanthus emblica, which the bhaishajyaguru (medicine buddha) does not hold.

I see no evidence that they support Tibetan causes apart from appropriating elements Tibetan culture. Tibetan Way is a highly suspicious site and should be avoided by all.

[mahakala]

I'm beginning to understand why there is a need for "scepticism" in the UK these days.

The question that intrigues me is this: why and who is imitating Hansard's misrepresentation?

I mean......hasn't that stone had enough water squeazed out of it?

Or is this a case of, it was done to me so I'm going to do it to others?

[Sarama]

You don't know Hansard (unless you are him) and you don't know Bowe.

Vaidya, please refrain from bringing the hysteria over from the Rick Ross site to here.

While you bring up some good points, your above comment has no place here. Please try to state your point of view without the usual bashing and back-biting that those on the Rick Ross have grown so accustomed to. That sort of behaviour proved detrimental there, and will only serve to do the same elsewhere.

Try to keep dialogue open by remaining open to others points of view or at least debating them directly, not name-calling. I personally do not want to see what happened there, happen here. You have assumed that Kris and others here have never had any experience with CH, but just as you offered in a previous posting on the Cult Forum,

you don't know anything about me or my life

the same should be applied here. This tactic is so often used by those trolling to draw people out, or scatter the discussion which is being done somewhat effectively already.
Let's try to put down our opinions and impart our knowledge without reverting to superstition and suspicion shall we?

In your own fine words

I think y'all need to refocus.

I really do not wish to see this turn into another experiment on human mob psychology, and after your own experience in Rick Ross, I would suspect that neither would you. Hope I'm correct?

[Rupert Green]

Dear Geoffrey,

Sorry should I have called you Jeff instead or should I have called you vaidya? I have been watching the places where you are active and wondered when and where you would turn up again.

This is your old nemesis Rupert Green. It is my determination to stalk you across the Internet, leaving little gobbets of troll like dung, but this dung contains the truth. I have had the remarkably good fortune to meet many Nepalese people and refugees from Tibet. When I was informed of how are you deserted the Tibetan refugees I was appalled. To pretend to be an expert witness, to prepare biased and ill informed documents, to quote yourself as a primary source and no other. Is this the act of an expert on Tibet? No it is the act of charlatan, which you were branded in the courts, and a dreamer of the worst kind. One who would allow others to suffer for his own obsessions and madness. The one good service you did for the Tibetan refugees was failing to turn up in court in the first place. They were lucky that the courts looked kindly upon them and allowed them to stay within the UK. Had you been there no doubt they would have been deported, the court hearing ripped all of your evidence to shreds and stated that you were charlatan. That brand my friend will be burned into your forehead like the mark Cain for eternity

So Geoffrey it's time for you to think up yet another alias and try and sneak back into yet another forum and create havoc. Fortunately the inmates of this particular asylum are not abused individuals, neither do you have that remarkably odious character Richard Ross on your side as well. The people here are far too intelligent, articulate and informed to fall for your little tricks.

Yours as ever

Rupert Green

Dear Skeptics,

I do apologise for the little outburst above. I must confess I have joined this forum with the sole reason of making our dear Geoffrey understand that he in turn is being watched. The man is an odious little toerag. I have no interest in Tibetan Way or the other arguments placed around it. But I do have issues with a man who lies in court with the sole purpose of personal aggrandisement at the potential cost of others' lives.

[KrisKrowe]

Vaidya

KK I find these kind of statements suspicious. You don't know Hansard (unless you are him) and you don't know Bowe.

I dont know Hansard and if you go and look me up on the Web you will see Im not Hansard. Unless Hansard really does have spooky powers and can shape shift. A quick check tells me Hansard was in NZ while I was in a band in the UK. Maybe Hansard can bilocate as well. If hes that powerful then you and Bowe will be in trouble for attacking him.

Its comments like yours that make me suspicious. Chris has already been accused by Bowe of being Hansard and now you are accusing me. Try checking things before you start accusing.

Bowe is hardly evil, whatever else you might want to say.

I dont know Bowe but I can read and I can hear. So yeah he is evil. If someone stole your identity youd probly think that was pretty bad. If someone went round telling lies about you what would you call that person. Making up stories about the Dalai Lama aint exactly honest is it?

Ive seen all the stuff TW have got on him and when they put it all online you need to go and check that. Seems like he spends all day making other peoples lives hell so Id call that evil.

I don't kno Bowe personally but Ive seen people like him before. Armchair generals sending people out to die while they sit at home. Thats evil.

His primary thesis is that Hansard lied about his training and experiences

I dont know if Hansard lied about his training and I dont care. Bowe may be right or he may be wrong. I got involved cos this worthless turkey started attacking one of my mates. I dont care if Bowe attacks Hansard and vice versa until Hell freezes over but start attacking my mates and lying about them then I do care.

From my reading, Bowe has been involved in Tibetan issues before he went after Hansard, and I can only guess that he has enough time and inclination to target Hansard for his fraudulent deceptions.

If you believe that then you must have been reading Bowes scribblings. He and his badboys are the only ones who think Bowe has any real involvement with Tibet. If I gave Chris £5 for a Tibetan charity then Id have done more then and there than Bowes done for Tibet in his entire life. What hes done is spend years attacking everyone who has anything to do with Tibet incl the Dalai Lama and the Tibet gov.

If it weren't for Hansard we wouldn't be discussing Bowe, so all of you need to take a chill pill.

If it werent for Bowe and his lies I would be in my studio rather than here so shove the chill pill.

Another very suspicious statement. Why name your website "Tibetan Way" if none of your products are Tibetan? What if I set up a website called Skeptic Universe and peddled homeopathic remedies?

I dont have a website called Tibetan Way so I dont know what your on about. Maybe you wanna check your facts B4 you start writing. If you want to sell homoepathic meds feel free and call it what you want. I think you think you are talking to someone who cares. The worlds falling apart round us and you think I care about what you call your company. Bowe might but I dont.

And given that they are selling the very same products formulated for Hansard (he clearly couldn't formulate himself), the entire enterprise should be called into question.

If Hansard didnt formulate the products then whats the connection with Hansard and TW. Why suggest I might be CH. Why did Bowe suggest Chris was CH. Seems to me that a lot of people have known all along that these meds had nothing to do with CH but just went after TW for the fun of it. A bit of sport maybe. Now thats what I call evil.

Bowe didn't mention just one herb, did he?

Yeah Bowe did mention just one herb. I just went and looked for myself. It aint difficult. His BS blog dated 26 June 2008 he says

"They state that the central active ingredient of 'Woman's Choice' (which retails at a price of £17.50) is a herb called Dong Quai. This is what Tibetan Way claim:

"The primary botanical in Woman’s Choice is Dong Quai (Angelica sinensis), used in traditional Tibetan medicine for thousands of years."

I approached the Tibetan Medical and Astrology Institute of HH the Dalai Lama, who are the premier and authoritive source of knowledge and training in Tibetan medicine.

The response was clear, their Director stated that, "this herb is not commonly used in traditional Tibetan Medicine"."

And its that last quote thats the prob aint it. Either the Dalai Lama knows nothing about Tibetan medicine and his website is wrong (Seems a bit unlikely dont it) Or Bowe just made that last bit up. Like Ive said Evil.

Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error, although I am very confident that the Tibetans do not use prepared Chinese Angelica, which is stir-fried in rice wine, and is the herb used in this formula.

Yeah well thats the prob aint it. Bowe is always quick to the punch So quick he doesnt check his facts and attacks the wrong people. The Dalai Lama site says that stuff is used in Tibetan meds so I dont kno what the stirfry bit is about.

So one small item in Bowe's criticism was wrong - but does this discount the rest?

Problem with Bowe is that he contradicts himself so often its difficult to kno what he really believes. He likes to tell the world hes this great researcher but if he cant be bothered to check his facts then can you believe his research. Bowes been asked over and over again to explain how he has all this info and where he trained but he wont answer cos there is no answer and there is no knowledge. Bowe is what he has accussed everyone else of being.

I have my doubts about their integrity. In their "About Us" section, they state:

"Tibetan medicine is a science, art and philosophy that provides a comprehensive approach to life-care. In this the image of the Medicine Buddha is a typical example, contemplation upon the face of the Buddha is said to aid the trouble mind, yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera). The fruit of this tree was used to prepare elixirs of health. The myrobalam contains a remarkable amount of vitamin C and associated antioxidants. A thousand years before the western world was aware Tibetan doctors were prescribing vitamin C as part of a health tonic. "

This is clearly an indication of their fraudulent knowledge, since the myrobalan tree is actually Terminalia chebula. The entire statement is stupid, because Terminalia doesn't contain vitamin C. That would be Phyllanthus emblica, which the bhaishajyaguru (medicine buddha) does not hold.

Looking at your quote from the TW site theyve spelt the fruit two different ways so maybe its just a spelling mistake. One quick search on the Web and I found this.

http://holisticonline.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h123.htm

where is it says

"Name: Indian Gooseberry

Other Names:Emblic myrobalan

It contains 30 times the amount of Vitamin C found in oranges."

Looks like your doing your research in the same place as Bowe. How can I find this info in a few seconds and you cant. Specially with a name like vaidya ((Sanskrit) "Versed in science; learned; a doctor." - Took me a few more sconds to find that)

I see no evidence that they support Tibetan causes apart from appropriating elements Tibetan culture.

Just cos they dont advertise the money their giving to charity doesnt mean that they aint supporting Tibet. At least they dont run and hide like Bowe when asked to do something to help.

Tibetan Way is a highly suspicious site and should be avoided by all.

Why are they suspicious? because you say so. You seem to have the same arrogance as Bowe. Talk a load of crap and expect everyone to believe it. Funny you disappeared from the Ross forum just before Bowe arrived and now you pop up here defending him.

Id say vaidya is highly suspicious and should be avoided.

KK

"You don't have to be afraid till I -until I come to get you.
And child in time on the swords edge you ride and cast a spell of heresy
And die in vain like a wild dog in chains and no-one can save or set you free"

W.A.S.P. The Heretic (The Lost Child)

[mahakala]

Vaidya is not Jeff Bowe. Vaidya is a Canadian herbalist. Bowe appears to have gone into hiding, since a couple of people I have heard from have been unable to contact him. Presumeably he's found a bolthole somewhere. Maybe he's rooming with Ross now; after all, they seem so tight.

[KrisKrowe]

mahakala

Vaidya is not Jeff Bowe. Vaidya is a Canadian herbalist. Bowe appears to have gone into hiding, since a couple of people I have heard from have been unable to contact him. Presumeably he's found a bolthole somewhere. Maybe he's rooming with Ross now; after all, they seem so tight.

Thanx for the heads up.

I'll take your word for that but I gotta say I find that posting well suspicious.

Its pretty easy to find me on the Web and its pretty obvious from all thats out there that I aint Hansard. It should be obvious to anyone that can read English that I have nuthin to do with Tibetan Way so asking me questions about that and saying its my site is pretty stupid.

And whats with all the defending Bowe.

"Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error"

How can that can be true. Bowe claimed that he'd talked to the Dalai Lama's office and theyd dissed TWs facts about that herb when all along the Dalai Lama's website said it was used in Tibetan meds. Thats not an error thru being too quick. Its just BS

I said before too many conspiracys on top of more conspiracys and thats whats happening here now. The Ross forum was bad enuff and Sarama's right. Its not needed here as well.

Looking at the posting from Rupert it looks like Im not the only one round here who thinks that vaidya's posting is dodgy.

As for Bowe like Chris said You can run but you cant hide. Im not the only one who knows exactly where Bowe is and what hes up to. By the time TW have finished exposing him hes gonna have a lot of people after him. Yeah he should be rooming with Ross Theyre joined at the hip.

Ive just about had enough of all this crap. These people have picked on the wrong people and I aint just gonna sit back and watch them wrecking peoples lives. Bowe wants to be famous but by the time Ive finished infamous will be a better word.

Thanx again and thnx to vaidya for the inspiration. Im off to my studio to do a bit of recording and prove that I aint Hansard.

KK

To anyone that thinks Im someone else sleep on this.

"Free from the pit free to run wild ; free to destroy free to defile
we are destruction stench of the mould; We're coming for you; for your soul"

Krowe / Deliverance: Troopers Of Death. (yeah Im quoting myself for a change but Bowes always quoting himself so why not)

[vaidya]

mahakala



Thanx for the heads up.

I'll take your word for that but I gotta say I find that posting well suspicious.

Its pretty easy to find me on the Web and its pretty obvious from all thats out there that I aint Hansard. It should be obvious to anyone that can read English that I have nuthin to do with Tibetan Way so asking me questions about that and saying its my site is pretty stupid.

And whats with all the defending Bowe.

"Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error"

How can that can be true. Bowe claimed that he'd talked to the Dalai Lama's office and theyd dissed TWs facts about that herb when all along the Dalai Lama's website said it was used in Tibetan meds. Thats not an error thru being too quick. Its just BS

I said before too many conspiracys on top of more conspiracys and thats whats happening here now. The Ross forum was bad enuff and Sarama's right. Its not needed here as well.

Looking at the posting from Rupert it looks like Im not the only one round here who thinks that vaidya's posting is dodgy.

As for Bowe like Chris said You can run but you cant hide. Im not the only one who knows exactly where Bowe is and what hes up to. By the time TW have finished exposing him hes gonna have a lot of people after him. Yeah he should be rooming with Ross Theyre joined at the hip.

Ive just about had enough of all this crap. These people have picked on the wrong people and I aint just gonna sit back and watch them wrecking peoples lives. Bowe wants to be famous but by the time Ive finished infamous will be a better word.

Thanx again and thnx to vaidya for the inspiration. Im off to my studio to do a bit of recording and prove that I aint Hansard.

KK

To anyone that thinks Im someone else sleep on this.

"Free from the pit free to run wild ; free to destroy free to defile
we are destruction stench of the mould; We're coming for you; for your soul"

Krowe / Deliverance: Troopers Of Death. (yeah Im quoting myself for a change but Bowes always quoting himself so why not)

you have simply proved my point: that you, davron, sarama etc - who really know _nothing_ of the subject upon which you opine; who accuse various pseudonyms of being various personages as i did with you - are really just a random collection disembodied talking heads that are content to do nothing more than examine the admixture of secretions that emanate from your various orifices

what is suspicious is why you have a hard-on for jeff bowe kk, and why you need to "get" him, when the _subject at hand_ is christopher hansard

tell me dav, sarama, and kk - do you _actually_ know hansard? do you _know_ bowe? do you know _any_ of the people involved? if your issue is jeff bowe, i suggest you Great Intellects to take it to another thread and leave this one alone

but you won't, because you can't help yourself

[vaidya]

Looking at your quote from the TW site theyve spelt the fruit two different ways so maybe its just a spelling mistake. One quick search on the Web and I found this.

XXX

where is it says

"Name: Indian Gooseberry

Other Names:Emblic myrobalan

It contains 30 times the amount of Vitamin C found in oranges."

Looks like your doing your research in the same place as Bowe. How can I find this info in a few seconds and you cant. Specially with a name like vaidya ((Sanskrit) "Versed in science; learned; a doctor." - Took me a few more sconds to find that)

*ahem* look again kk, tibetan way website states that "yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera)"

which, by your own "research" that should be really be Emblica officinalis, which is wrong again because it _really_ should be the chebulic myrobalan i.e. Terminalia chebula

a small sample of the "erudition" on display here...

[Rupert Green]

Vaidya

I see no reason to except that you are not Bowe as once again you are mocking the genuine intelligence of your fellow forum posters. The members on this site have tried to keep to the point, it is you who have employed your traditional tactics of disdain. Typical of your approach is to avoid answering any questions placed before you. Bowe only got one herb wrong.. Tibetanway only got one herb wrong. The one herb looks like a spelling mistake, yet on the net,Tankas and other material the spelling has many variants.

Mahakala claims you are Canadian herbalist, if you are why are you hiding behind that name? Your lack of a name gives you no more authority, possibly less, than Kris Krowe.



Rupert Green