Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[mahakala]

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I call him that because he sells instant enlightenment

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Davron

As far as I know Hansard was not selling enlightenment.

Revenge is not a legitimate motive.

[apprentice]

Davron, I couldn’t get one of those spiders you mentioned but I did switch from Google to Yahoo (are you a shreholder?) as suggested. I yahood ‘Jeff Bowe’. I got to page 12 and you would not believe how many different disguises he has. This guy is seriously cunning.

(Jeff) Bowe is a regional vice president for The Resource Development Group, a business consulting company.

For over 25 years Jeff Bowe has been honing his artistic skills and increasing the depth of his understanding of pure radiant color.

Jeff Bowe is a professional sales trainer, sales coach, and outsourced sales manager.

Training Account Manager Jeff Bowe recognizes Hallmark Inns & Resorts,

Jeff Bowe, Regional Vice President and Partner of the Resource Development Group LLC

Jeff Bowe, former town chairman,

Jeff Bowe, Eagle Point Chairman,

Jeff Bowe, Superintendent of Industries at FPI's Estill facility

Jeff Bowe of Benham Press (Indianapolis)

Jeff Bowe's is also running a campaign set around the U1-U3 series. Jeff has done a wonderful map of the Saltmarsh area

I commissioned Jeff Bowe to paint me a medicine wheel

The speaker, Jeff Bowe, is an adjunct college instructor

Guest Presenter: Jeff Bowe-Radiant Color Therapy

forty-one images by internationally acclaimed color therapist Jeff Bowe

Hey! My name is Jeff Bowe, I came over from the UK to attend the Navan march and spent a night at the Camp.


I even came across another forum discussing Christopher Hansard and they quoted Jeff Bowe as if he were something of an expert on Tibet:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1766.0


I refused to be outwitted by the man and Yahood ‘Jeff Bowe UFO’.

Davron, you’re dead right. There are two sources linking Jeff Bowe to UFOs. One is the Rick Ross Forum (something to do with cults) and the other is this website. Isn’t that amazing? I wonder if they have anyone in common.

[Julia]

Nice detective work, apprentice!

[Sarama]

Davron, I couldn’t get one of those spiders you mentioned but I did switch from Google to Yahoo (are you a shareholder?) as suggested. I Yahooed ‘Jeff Bowe’. I got to page 12 and you would not believe how many different disguises he has. This guy is seriously cunning.

I refused to be outwitted by the man and Yahooed ‘Jeff Bowe UFO’.

Davron, you’re dead right. There are two sources linking Jeff Bowe to UFOs. One is the Rick Ross Forum (something to do with cults) and the other is this website. Isn’t that amazing? I wonder if they have anyone in common.

Apprentice, unlike you, Davron has been sincere with their replies to you. Once again you have failed to answer any of the queries posed to you, and it is you who has again diverted this thread, (I thought you might appreciate that particular phrase, as it is so well used in your favourite forum).

You have also posted yet another link to one of the many blogspots, brochure pages, forums, and chatrooms you and your fellow apprentices have no doubt started. It would appear for all intents and purposes that you are still very much involved in a cult, however it is no longer headed by one C Hansard, but is still being faithfully carried on by his flock. Congratulations!

You have done us the honour of making your position here somewhat "clear" so it is only fair that I should offer you the same. My position is this; You have entered not only this forum but many under various pseudonyms making some fairly serious accusations without any evidence what so ever. I will concur that under the circumstances perhaps it is not for public viewing. However to date I have only read one posting that seemed to have some semblance of both sincerity and some initial clarity of the situation or even acknowledging the remote possibility that there are many stories here, and not just your slant. However she was swiftly bombarded with under the table private messaging on RR, and was barely acknowledged here until it was too late.
This poster had a very sincere, heartfelt rendering of her feelings in her first posting which was presented without prejudice as you say, and the usual obvious healthy dose of scorn, vitriol and outright spew that I for one have seen most of the other posters demonstrate. The poster seemingly stumbled upon the forum and being a patient would have understandably been shaken up by what she read there, as was I initially, but not because there are any remnants of truth or healing being offered there, but because they are by all accounts having a public temper tantrum!

Then in her following postings one can clearly observe the damage done and change that took place as the confusion she said she felt was seen as opportunity for some, and in no time at all a somewhat sane sounding poster was reduced to saying she had been "psychically attacked" and was in need of a Shaman or better yet a bloody massage, pronto! to "get his energy off!"

This poster was asking for opinions, advice, differing points of view maybe. She admitted that nothing had even happened between her and her practitioner, but was now analyzing her experience to such a degree, and not finding anything concrete or substantial, found herself having to rely on the mob to fill in the blanks for her, and convince her that something had indeed happened to her after all, something so profound that it was not even of this world. So far reaching that it actually took place in the psychic realms!

If this is what Pizza Guru taught you then it's no wonder you are all behaving the way you are.

Get grounded!

[apprentice]

Sarama, goodness you are so right. I did get distracted and almost forgot to say that people with experience of abuse by Christopher Hansard should take their complaints to the police and to ‘Witness against abuse’.

'Witness against abuse' works to support and seek justice for people abused within a therapeutic or medical relationship.

‘Witness against abuse’ understands that people so abused need more than ‘agony aunt’ psychology to help them recover from the betrayal of trust that they have experienced.

http://www.witnessagainstabuse.org.uk/

You can email them or call the helpline on 08454 500 300.


If you would like to report your experience to the police please contact the ‘Sapphire Unit’ on +44 20 8246 0128.

If you just feel cheated or conned by Christopher Hansard please take your complaint to the trading standards office for Victoria.


Now Sarama you seem very clever and quite concerned about this matter. As you are well aware it is quite difficult bringing medical and other practitioners who abuse their clients to justice. The Government in the UK is trying to address this through new legislation designed to protect the patient, who is considered to be the vulnerable party in the relationship. This is of course only helpful when the practitioner belongs to an accrediting body.

Christopher Hansard does not belong to any accrediting body and seems to have very little formal training in any form of medicine. Christopher Hansard does seem to have a very long history of abusing his clients. What do suggest is the best approach? Should everybody just move on? Do you think Christopher Hansard might have got cured by now and should be left alone? Or do you just think as you said before that this is all the work of:

‘Former friends from teenage years that still have completely unchanged perspectives though their opinions burgeoned at the age of 17 or 21. Former acquaintances that have not even spoken or seen the man in going on 10 years, but keenly believe every bit of gossip and rumour that comes to them, and all seem to surmise that people get worse as opposed to better with time, or are even capable of change. Who is to say that this gent has not sought out help recently or in the last 20 years? Obviously not them, it is evident that none of them have made contact, spoke with, or even met their quarry and that is what troubles me most as a reader.’

Sorry you got kicked of the Rick Ross forum Sarama. Clearly you’re still smarting from that.

[mahakala]

My position is this; You have entered not only this forum but many under various pseudonyms making some fairly serious accusations without any evidence what so ever. I will concur that under the circumstances perhaps it is not for public viewing. However to date I have only read one posting that seemed to have some semblance of both sincerity and some initial clarity of the situation or even acknowledging the remote possibility that there are many stories here, and not just your slant. However she was swiftly bombarded with under the table private messaging on RR, and was barely acknowledged here until it was too late.
This poster had a very sincere, heartfelt rendering of her feelings in her first posting which was presented without prejudice as you say, and the usual obvious healthy dose of scorn, vitriol and outright spew that I for one have seen most of the other posters demonstrate. The poster seemingly stumbled upon the forum and being a patient would have understandably been shaken up by what she read there, as was I initially, but not because there are any remnants of truth or healing being offered there, but because they are by all accounts having a public temper tantrum!

Then in her following postings one can clearly observe the damage done and change that took place as the confusion she said she felt was seen as opportunity for some, and in no time at all a somewhat sane sounding poster was reduced to saying she had been "psychically attacked" and was in need of a Shaman or better yet a bloody massage, pronto! to "get his energy off!"

This poster was asking for opinions, advice, differing points of view maybe. She admitted that nothing had even happened between her and her practitioner, but was now analyzing her experience to such a degree, and not finding anything concrete or substantial, found herself having to rely on the mob to fill in the blanks for her, and convince her that something had indeed happened to her after all, something so profound that it was not even of this world. So far reaching that it actually took place in the psychic realms!

There are some good points here. An objective investigation is needed. Where is Inspector Clusoe when you need him!

[Sarama]

Now Sarama you seem very clever and quite concerned about this matter. As you are well aware it is quite difficult bringing medical and other practitioners who abuse their clients to justice. The Government in the UK is trying to address this through new legislation designed to protect the patient, who is considered to be the vulnerable party in the relationship. This is of course only helpful when the practitioner belongs to an accrediting body.

Why apprentice how very kind of you to notice how "clever" I am in these matters. So very sorry to disappoint you, but I have never entered into your favourite forum. I am quite serious in my sentiments about the various forums there and just what kind of poster they seem to attract on the whole.

In regards to your informative comments on who plays what roles in the practitioner/patient relationship, I am sure you have already picked up on my opinions on that matter as well, and that is that patients are becoming more and more aware and educated, and are taking more of an active role in their own healthcare, indeed they should question and indeed we should all do our own independent research. It is common sense, and most importantly it is in our best interests.

You will find that not all students, nor even a majority sleep with their teachers and are vulnerable as you say to magic spells, enchantments and evil shamans and to suggest that, just because you know some students who chose to enter into what sounds like longterm relations with your teacher, does not mean that the rest of us consider ourselves victims or even vulnerable, but are much clearer about our roles and boundaries as patients and students in the real world. Not all women would have made the same choices as you suggest. Not all of us feel vulnerable or dis-empowered in these situations.
And it is for this very reason that these cases are so difficult to prove in a court of law, because when asked by my physician to have sex with him, I said "NO" apprentice. That's right, we have a choice, we can make decisions on our own, some of us even have morals.

Christopher Hansard does not belong to any accrediting body and seems to have very little formal training in any form of medicine. Christopher Hansard does seem to have a very long history of abusing his clients. What do suggest is the best approach? Should everybody just move on? Do you think Christopher Hansard might have got cured by now and should be left alone?

Now, it is evident to me that you have been hurt, and are carrying hurt feelings on top of what you consider abuse, I have never questioned peoples feelings in this situation, I have only ever questioned their methods and their motives.

It is not evident that your teacher has crossed ethical boundaries simply because this is all going on online behind a veil of anonymity, but obviously he has upset many people including yourself, and has upset you enough to drive you and others to some very maddening extremes. What I would suggest coincides somewhat along with what Davron suggested, and that is to stop screaming, and do something about it. You claim to have gone to the police, and you have encouraged those who feel they have been abused to report to Witness who have many resources at their disposal, including counseling. I would take all of this further and lobby the government as well to bring in stricter regulations for ALL practitioners in the Alternative and Complimentary professions as they should not be treated any differently than anyone else who has contact with the public.

You might feel this is a bit of a conflict of interest for you and the others as you have all gone on to practice in these various fields no doubt? I can not comment on CH's training, it sounds ludicrous to me, but one of you mentioned he has been practicing for a very long time so he might be protected under some sort of grandfather clause.
Someone else mentioned class action, but the reason these cases are so difficult to prove is because someone said "YES", and not just once.
The other reason that no one seems to want to talk about is because people lie and make false allegations somewhat often unfortunately.

If you are practicing in the field of preventive medicine, then why not prevent this from happening again, by helping people to understand boundaries, and that their role as a patient or student does not have to make them vulnerable.
Why do you not get out there and educate people, and let them know that they have a choice, and that there are clear boundaries, there are checks and balances along the way.
Yes, apprentice I do suggest that everyone move on, if finding solutions and bringing a resolution to this situation is what you refer to as moving on, then I say yes. I have no idea whether or not CH has been 'cured' or not, or even if he is sick, but I would suspect so given his own biography. So my next question would be who facilitated his sickness, and his delusions? Who marketed him and his story? Who called him Master?
If you think he is sick, and you consider yourself a 'healer' or health practitioner than consider what you would do if someone who was equally as sick made an appointment to see you. Interesting question is it not?

What if someone like your former guru walked into your office for help apprentice?
Would you turn them away?

If someone came to you who was delusional in this way, who was this desperate for attention that he would fabricate a story, desperate enough to even consider relations with his students, and cross boundaries with patients, if someone like him came to you for help, and said he needed help and wanted to change, would you start various online forums running their name into the muck? Would you post their address on the world wide web and encourage people to mob outside their door?

What would you do apprentice, if someone like him came to you for help?

Because that is what you must do in this situation to prevent it from happening again, because your teacher is not the only one to have gone there, nor are his students or patients. What you are suggesting went on is not the first time it has gone on, and that is why if you want to do something, then do something for everybody in your situation, and in his.

Patients, and Students need to know that no matter what, they have a choice, and that it is not only inappropriate for their practitioner to cross those boundaries, it is harmful for everyone involved. If they find they have feelings coming up for their practitioner, they need to understand clearly what those feelings are, and that they are not "love", but transference. Obviously your teacher needs to know this too, but eventually if we are all armed with this knowledge then people like your teacher will not have any choice but to conform. No one will answer that call, no one will apprentice to him any longer, no one will reciprocate or meet him half way in the practice room.

Knowledge is Power.

So arm your "troops" with knowledge, not anger, and further delusions.
Your teacher was never a god, and no one is your "Master", stop looking outside of yourself for a miracle, glamour, grandeur, the answers, or what ever it is you and the others were hoping to find or receive from him, only you and they know.

But what ever it was, he could not deliver.

[apprentice]

Sorry Sarama, the ‘clever’ bit was just a joke. Have you ever thought about getting involved in discussions where you actually know something about the subject?

Of course if every woman were like you – living a virtual rather than a real life – there would be no worldwide epidemic of violence against women. ‘I said "NO" apprentice.’

As far as I can see only one woman with direct experience of Hansard ventured onto this forum.

You have the audacity to say with regard to her posting on the Rick Ross Forum:

‘However she was swiftly bombarded with under the table private messaging on RR, and was barely acknowledged here until it was too late.’

How on earth do you know that Sarama? Or is this just another of the many examples of you making it up as you go along?

Why don’t you go back and read the cynical trivia poured forth in her direction by you and Davron. “I said "NO" apprentice.’


People with experience of abuse by Christopher Hansard should take their complaints to the police and to ‘Witness against abuse’.

'Witness against abuse' works to support and seek justice for people abused within a therapeutic or medical relationship.

‘Witness against abuse’ understands that people so abused need more than ‘sarama’ psychology to help them recover from the betrayal of trust that they have experienced.

http://www.witnessagainstabuse.org.uk/

You can email them or call the helpline on 08454 500 300.


If you would like to report your experience to the police please contact the ‘Sapphire Unit’ on +44 20 8246 0128.

If you just feel cheated or conned by Christopher Hansard please take your complaint to the trading standards office for Victoria.

[Sarama]

You have the audacity to say with regard to her posting on the Rick Ross Forum:

‘However she was swiftly bombarded with under the table private messaging on RR, and was barely acknowledged here until it was too late.’

How on earth do you know that Sarama? Or is this just another of the many examples of you making it up as you go along?

I know this by the many references to private messaging made on that particular forum, I know this because next to no posters actually interacted with her above board. I will not copy and paste all the references from the 100 pages here because you know just as well as I do what happened. I know this because even mariac makes reference to the private postings she received as do other posters through out the forum. The real discussion is going on below the thread and only what you want the public to see is presented above board.

Why don’t you go back and read the cynical trivia poured forth in her direction by you and Davron. “I said "NO" apprentice.’

apprentice, it is apparent and obvious that some posters also chose NOT to entertain your guru and even felt they 'benefited' somehow from their visits, (though I can not even imagine how). Some posters also spoke up with a resounding "no". It is evident that not ALL his students chose to sleep with him and that some made choices that are in stark contrast to those of your friends and perhaps even yourself. Unless we are talking about rape here, and unless these women were underage, then we are talking about grown women who made choices for what ever reasons. The sooner we all acknowledge that we have choices, the less this sort of thing is going to occur.

I pose the question to you yet again: If someone came to you who was delusional in this way, who was this desperate for attention that he would fabricate a story, desperate enough to even consider relations with his students, and cross boundaries with patients, if someone like him came to you for help, and said he needed help and wanted to change, would you start various online forums running their name into the muck? Would you post their address on the world wide web and encourage people to mob outside their door?

mariac, if you felt at any time that my opinions were directed at you personally than I apologise, I simply think you should not have anything further to do with your practitioner and his apprentices. Please seek help from someone who is well beyond the situation and any of these people.

S

[apprentice]

Sarama, you ask:

'I pose the question to you yet again: If someone came to you who was delusional in this way, who was this desperate for attention that he would fabricate a story, desperate enough to even consider relations with his students, and cross boundaries with patients, if someone like him came to you for help, and said he needed help and wanted to change, would you start various online forums running their name into the muck? Would you post their address on the world wide web and encourage people to mob outside their door?'

No I would not, I would recommend the services of a psychiatrist. Why do you ask, do you know someone like this?

[davron]

I took this from Wikipedia, I feel it will shed light on some of the arguments used here.


Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term Stockholm Syndrome was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.[1]
Other uses
Loyalty to a more powerful abuser — in spite of the danger that this loyalty puts the victim in — is common among victims of domestic abuse, battered partners and child abuse (dependent children). In many instances the victims choose to remain loyal to their abuser, and choose not to leave him or her, even when they are offered a safe placement in foster homes or safe houses. This unhealthy type of mental phenomenon is also known as Trauma-Bonding or Bonding-to-the-Perpetrator. This syndrome was described by psychoanalysts of the object relations theory school (see Fairbairn) as the phenomenon of psychological identification with the more powerful abuser. A variant of Stockholm Syndrome includes cases of abusive parents and abusive siblings in which the victim, even after entering adulthood, still justifies the family abuse.

Psychoanalytic explanations

According to the psychoanalytic view of the syndrome, the tendency might well be the result of employing the strategy evolved by newborn babies to form an emotional attachment to the nearest powerful adult in order to maximize the probability that this adult will enable — at the very least — the survival of the child, if not also prove to be a good parental figure. This syndrome is considered a prime example for the defense mechanism of identification.[3]

Sociological explanation

Based on the capital theory by Pierre Bourdieu, five forms of capital from the economic to the symbolic are constantly fought over in the society. Social actions amount to capital which can be used for power in various fields of social interaction. This power depends on violently preventing others from accessing capital and it is the opposite to a non-violent social action, where the capitals are used to increase the capital possessed by others. In the marxist class theory, capital is essential for self-realization. It has been proposed that traditions maintain the class society and forms of capitalist violence. In a hostage situation, these traditions are by-passed in a way which may allow an unforeseen action from a lower class person to gain capital. As personal interests are in conflict with the traditional culture, this lapse of tradition provides to the victims an independent forum where they interpret the actions of the abductor outside traditional norms and relate to the abductor in a compassionate way. This may lead to the need of assuring that the powerfully felt struggle for social equality of the abductor succeeds. This need may be accompanied by a sense of security, which exists between a loyal person and the abductor. This explanation can be linked to the psychologist Aymon Hamdi.


Sadly there is also a Reverse Stockholm Syndrome which we were taught about in the army. Simply put, when you captor becomes tired enough you take his gun and then hold him captive. In bad cases you take his gun, wake him up, torture him and then kill him. This is the ultimate victory for the captor because you would think you have won, but not so. You have become your captor and changed your values for his, you have become him.. very sad.

If we look at the Branch Davidians

Interviews with surviving Davidians state that David Koresh was intimately versed in the Bible and "knew it like he wrote it".[1] Koresh taught that the U.S. government was the enemy of the Davidians, and that they would have to defend themselves.
In a video made by the Davidians and released during the siege, Koresh stated he'd been told by God to procreate with the women in the groups to establish a "House of David," his "Special People." This involved married couples in the group dissolving their marriages and agreeing that only Koresh could have sexual relations with the wives. On the tape, Koresh is also shown with several minors who claimed to have had babies fathered by Koresh. In total, Koresh had 14 children who stayed with him in the compound.


I think we see all of this to a smaller extent reflected by the Pizza Guru cult.

The cult has been fallen apart and there are those who support him still and those who are trying to kill him. The weapon of choice is the internet and aggressive words.
Sex always features in this, all of the big cults suffer from this. Those spurned by the Guru no longer able to be his special one, his lover and personal friend. The loudest voices are probably the ones must hurt.


Davron

[apprentice]

Hi Davron, I see that your research is as superficial as ever. Have you looked into Stockholm Syndrome by proxy? It describes a condition in which people invent gurus and cults and then imagine what goes on between the guru and his/her followers. I think you need to check out what they are putting in your gas bottles.

[Chris_Farmer]

Apprentice

I have no desire to take this forum off at a tangent with regard to Jeff Bowe. However I have been watching this forum since I was unwillingly dragged into the Rick Ross Forum as a result of allegations made about me and my clients by Bowe and his acolytes.

In the interests of ensuring that Bowe and his friends do not hijack this forum as they have done with the Rick Ross one I just had to comment here.

I found your recent posts most interesting particularly your comment:

I even came across another forum discussing Christopher Hansard and they quoted Jeff Bowe as if he were something of an expert on Tibet:

That is the problem with Bowe - he presents himself as an expert and demands information from other posters but when asked to produce any evidence of his expertise he simply ignores the request. So here is some information that we have discovered:

Bowe suggests that he is an expert on Tibetan culture - in fact it has been demonstrated that he is not aware of even very common Tibetan Buddhist names.

He intimates that he is familiar with the Tibetan language - it has been demonstrated that he doesn't recognise Tibetan words even when they are transliterated for them.

He claims to have more knowledge with regard to Bon than several highly respected Tibetan teachers - he doesn't and a simple search of the Web makes that clear. As he can't even understand Tibetan it is quite obvious that he could not have carried out the necessary research.

He claims that he supports free speech - he doesn't; he removed all replies to the ludicrous allegations that he was making on his numerous blogs and then even edited his own postings to remove his statements that demonstrated his lack of knowledge of Tibetan language or culture.

He claims that he has been involved with Tibet for some 20 years - no Tibetan or Buddhist organisation that we have contacted have ever heard of him and that includes the Dalai Lama's office.

His research and knowledge on Tibet has been examined by the UK authorities and found to be unreliable.

There is also one other source linking Bowe with UFOs and that is one of his own blogs.

If other users of this forum would like further info regarding Bowe then I will be happy to present it here.

It seems to me that Bowe is leading his own cult and also attempting to emulate Rick Ross. From recent experience they both seem to have serious problems with free speech with the result that the forum there is completely biased in favour of Bowe and that the original genuine issues have been forgotten.

[davron]

Hi Davron, I see that your research is as superficial as ever. Have you looked into Stockholm Syndrome by proxy? It describes a condition in which people invent gurus and cults and then imagine what goes on between the guru and his/her followers. I think you need to check out what they are putting in your gas bottles.

Apprentice,

I did not wish to go down this route as I felt that many of those who had suffered at the hands of the Pizza Guru, their experiences were very genuine. By placing this post and poisoning my statement you bring me to certain conclusions. You point out that there is a distinct possibility that this may be all fantasy on the part of those who may think that they have suffered at the hands of the Pizza Guru.

I was trying to point out how easy it is for normal people to be sucked in by the bright smiles of these false givers of truth. Many of these people if you do the research are ex-criminals and have psychopathic behaviour. Often they are sexually big predators some have been repressed homosexuals who have tried to induce their followers into inappropriate behaviour with them. You have pointed out to me a truth which is very uncomfortable, that is those who believe they have suffered under the hand of the Pizza Guru may just be suffering from group hysteria, fantasy and lies.

This extends itself across the entire group and surely must include you and the Flying Saucer Man as your postings so well puts it ‘imagining what is going on between Guru and followers’. Given the fact that you and Flying Saucer Man refused to answer so many questions it can only be read and interpreted as there are no answers. This is all lies and fantasy on your part and his. Did you not so say that you were a follower of the Guru? Then if this is your stance I am sad view my friend.

Like all interrogations with all prisoners eventually in anger they lash out and they tell you the truth. I think this is what has happened to you and unknowingly in your joy of striking out at me you have accidentally revealed the truth of the entire situation, that this is a fantasy, scam, fabrication of both you and Flying Saucer Man.

I know you will produce a very slick and snake oil salesman's statement which will make you look like a very clever fellow. But I am afraid now you have revealed your personal truth. This has all been going on in your head and the head of the Flying Saucer Man. Nothing you can say or do will retract the statement, which saddens me most is that if there has been a history of abuse you have just called all of those who have suffered the liars and cheats.

You are not interested in defending those who have suffered, possibly because you have suffered at the hands of this person and your heart is deeply wounded. Your agenda is totally self, you have no interest in others or compassion for their pains.

Davron

[apprentice]

Chris_Farmer, thank you that is quite interesting – albeit off-thread. It seems that both you and Davron think of your Mr Bowe in terms of a cult. May I suggest that you start a thread on the Rick Ross Forum as it deals specifically with cults. I would be very interested to read all you have on Mr Bowe although I do hope Davron can come up with a few references.

This is a forum for skeptics and the subject of the thread is Christopher Hansard and his amazing claims. Do you have any contribution to make to the subject?