Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[davron]

Ha!

They have taken the most interesting and pointed thread down, Rick Ross is holding hands with the 'Flying Saucer Man'.
I always knew it Rick Ross Forum is a cult if you read the definitions they they conform pretty much as a group to the definitions. They are an internet cult. Baaaaa!

Davron

Of for a swim in the warm blue sea.

[Neuromuscular Therapist]

.... that only a Mayan Abdominal or apparently Cranial Therapist, Lightworker, Intuitive Healer, or some other such is "specially trained to help you with".

Just out of interest, how do you know about Maya Abdominal Massage?

[mahakala]

Hello

I am new to this site- in fact I stumbled along the thread looking for some info on CH. Ive been a client/patient for some time. In that time I believe that he has an amazing power- I have seen amazing changes in my life and he has been supportive and caring. However I would add that at time he crosses that line in what he says, how he touches or looks at me even.I sometimes think is it me? is it pure transference? And then at other times, when I see how he is around me when others are around- I see a change in him and I think well perhaps it is not all me. Really I am shocked to learn he was an actor?? What happened to the story of the monk and the rainbow and being trained for years and years? I do feel though that sometimes there are things/people we cannot explain. CH has this ability to morph into different personalities and ways of being. Does that make him psychotic? Or does that make him other wordly? I dont know. I know that I have a very strong 6th sense about people and places....and I "felt" at Eden that there was a good energy that went bad.I always had a feeling stephanie had feelings for him, I always felt CH was not faithful to his family and always felt he was a man fighting with his own demons. There were times when he was cruel and said cruel things-these only made me see what i was saying to myself really....and he never treated me in a way that wasnt safe and caring. But I am concerned....I did always have the feeling I was being "groomed" and from the other website- rick ross.....I hear he has ways of working on someone...there have been times he has said things that made me think he had a relationship in mind.....I would really like to hear from anyone who would have anything to offer, any insight. Was I a fool? Did I waste my time and money I didnt have? Thankyou

Hansard was sleeping with Ms. Wright, while married. When Eden fell apart he had a girl friend while at the same time he slept with about a dozen different women. I was tracking it, as people told me, and lost count. He has always been known as a philanderer.

Obviously he has some kind of sexual addiction which seems to have overwhelmed his usefulness to the world. That boundary problem also extends to other areas.

[Sarama]

Just out of interest, how do you know about Maya Abdominal Massage?

Hiya Neuro,

I was referred to their site and practitioner listings by another poster.
Being a faithful skeptic I read and did some research in to this and other "healing" modalities that were taking the opportunity to offer their services and shamelessly advertise themselves in another forum.

Clients had obviously been let down and were scornfully disappointed with one practitioner and in swarmed the next round of "healers" to sell their trade and pick up where the last one had left off.
Some of the suggestions offered were even "Soul Retrieval" if you can believe?

Perhaps one day we can address it more fully here and it might just be a very good idea for a future topic of conversation now that you mention it.

For the time being I merely brought it up to demonstrate how it was being used on another site by some of it's more obvious enthusiasts to endorse themselves.
They were not the only ones who were taking advantage of the situation however as I said.

S

[davron]

Hansard was sleeping with Ms. Wright, while married. When Eden fell apart he had a girl friend while at the same time he slept with about a dozen different women. I was tracking it, as people told me, and lost count.

How can you be so sure? Rick Ross is a mob rule site. They ban anyone who doubts the offical line. Pizza Guru is a fairly nasty person by all accounts but that does not make all rumours true! The same goes for Flying Saucer Man. If he was that attractive to women there was probably a lot of competition for his 'favours'. Do not rule out the possibility of off grapes.

Davron

[Neuromuscular Therapist]

Hi Sarama,

That is interesting.

I am a Physical Therapist and Sports Massage therapist based in the States and it is very well known over here. There are a lot of practitioners.

[Sarama]

Hi Sarama,

That is interesting.

I am a Physical Therapist and Sports Massage therapist based in the States and it is very well known over here. There are a lot of practitioners.

Now I am interested. What is your take?

Can a massage technique learned from a Shaman in South America heal some very serious psychological issues? What appears to be a broken heart? An apparent affair gone wrong? A woman scorned?

Have you read mariac's posting? Would it heal her? Or how about naina, an ex-girlfriend from over 30 years ago?

davron's right (as usual), and mahakala may have a point as well.
Rick's mob is just that, a mob, it is fairly obvious by now that they are not credible sources of truth or reality by some accounts, and as I pointed out many are merely there to cash in on the now ex-patients and livelihood that I have no doubt Guru Guy has lost by having his name plastered all over the internet by a revolving door of pseudonyms. Guru Guy has by all accounts pissed off the wrong woman, or as mahakala has offered, many.

So how is Maya or Mayan Massage deemed State side?

[mahakala]

Hansard was sleeping with Ms. Wright, while married. When Eden fell apart he had a girl friend while at the same time he slept with about a dozen different women. I was tracking it, as people told me, and lost count.

How can you be so sure? Rick Ross is a mob rule site. They ban anyone who doubts the offical line. Pizza Guru is a fairly nasty person by all accounts but that does not make all rumours true! The same goes for Flying Saucer Man. If he was that attractive to women there was probably a lot of competition for his 'favours'. Do not rule out the possibility of off grapes.

Davron

That was the word on the street, from the people who actually know him, not the RR mob. Since he was running a bit of a cult, there probably was competition for his "favours." Still, as a health-care practitioner, teacher and married man, boundaries are supposed to trump the pain and suffering that ultimately results from endless exploitation of one and another's libido.

[Neuromuscular Therapist]

Now I am interested. What is your take?

Can a massage technique learned from a Shaman in South America heal some very serious psychological issues? What appears to be a broken heart? An apparent affair gone wrong? A woman scorned?

So how is Maya or Mayan Massage deemed State side?

Maya Abdominal Massage is well thought of over here, as there are lots of practitioners in all states in the US. Worldwide, there is not much knowledge of it, as it originally came from Belize to the States and is only just becoming known in other countries.

Having read a lot more information about it now, I don't think that the initial aim of the massage itself is to heal serious psychological problems. You need to be careful here to separate out the massage element from the Spiritual healing and its the Spiritual healing that comes from the Mayan Shamanic culture.

From what I have read, Rosita Arvigo apprenticed with a Maya Shaman for 10 years, but then formalised the massage part of the treatment from an anatomical and physiological perspective. Think she came from a massage/naturopathic background, I believe.

Having read about it, I think the abdominal massage part can have great benefits for everyone. Just not sure about the Spiritual healing part though!

From my own perspective and practice, I do a lot of work with clients on the abdomen and it does have real benefits. Before I treat, I look at posture to assess this and a lot of times, will want to do some work on the psoas, which is a deep abdominal muscle that links the top to the bottom of the body. I do a lot of work around the upper abdomen and rib cage to release here and will then go down to the psoas, which can be tight on lots of people due to poor posture etc. Once all this is released, people stand taller, can breathe more fully and mostly, have a greater sense of ease.

When I work on the belly, people do sometimes have emotional reactions. The psoas is commonly known as the emotional garbage dump. Mostly, people are very protective of this area being the very centre of the body, so yes, emotions can get locked in this area and when touched and massaged/worked on in this area, emotions can surface. I guess I just stick with it and let it happen and it passes. If people want to talk, then I let them and will be supportive, but if I feel there are deeper issues, then I think about possibly referring them to a Psychologist with more specific training who can help them.

From my own experience, I would say that the abdominal massage is a valid treatment. Just not sure about the Spiritual healing part though.

[davron]

Sounds a bit like I thought, 'off, bad (?) grapes'. The problem about the word on the street is that it is not truth, its rumour.

Rick Ross runs on the 'word on the street'. That means a lot of people get harmed by a klatch of people just making up stories so it makes it look as though they have inside knowlege.

So I would say its better to be a skeptic than a member of the flock!

Yep Guru is nasty, Flying Saucer Man is nasty as well. But the victims of both of them deserve a little more of the 'yo, respect brother' than just a reworking or rumour. Flying Saucer Man just keeps repeating the same stuff as 'fact', even though he is the one who made it all up. I have seen his stuff in the UFO mags from the 80's (we have a lot sightings over here, we also have people who brew alcohol that makes you go blind the two may be related).

In the end there is what the masses want you to belive and that which is true. How many of Pizza Gurus students were willing to 'serve the master as hand maidens'?

Ask that question first.

Davron

[davron]

'What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth'.


Old Jewish Saying


Davron

[apprentice]

Davron says:

‘a lot of people get harmed by a klatch of people just making up stories so it makes it look as though they have inside knowlege.’

Davron says of Jeff Bowe:

‘Flying Saucer Man just keeps repeating the same stuff as 'fact', even though he is the one who made it all up. I have seen his stuff in the UFO mags from the 80's…’


Now Davron, are you sure you are not just making this up?

[mahakala]

Davron says:

‘a lot of people get harmed by a klatch of people just making up stories so it makes it look as though they have inside knowlege.’

Davron says of Jeff Bowe:

‘Flying Saucer Man just keeps repeating the same stuff as 'fact', even though he is the one who made it all up. I have seen his stuff in the UFO mags from the 80's…’

Which stuff is flying saucer man making up? And which stuff are people making up in order to appear like they have inside information? Are you drawing these assumptions soley from a reading of the RR site and thus now guilty of the same crime you accuse them of?

[davron]

I am glad to see you have gained a skeptical head.

Its common among cults with a 'master' for competion for the masters favours. Brigham Youngs wives would have a symbol chalked on the door of their room if he was going to sleep with them that night. The others would sneak out and rub it off and place it on their own. Some of them formed groups so they could get him between them.

Flying Saucer Man has made several statments which he has repeated a lot, which if you bother to reserch them are just plain not true, but he keeps banging away. If you use a 'web spider' you will find the references ( a web spider searches all of the internet not just Yahoo). Check the things he has stated as facts.

But, his 'facts' are rapidly evaporating as edits down is blogs and websites.

Enjoy the sun

Davron

[apprentice]

Hello Davron, enjoy the hot air.