Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[mariac]

Hello

I am new to this site- in fact I stumbled along the thread looking for some info on CH. Ive been a client/patient for some time. In that time I believe that he has an amazing power- I have seen amazing changes in my life and he has been supportive and caring. However I would add that at time he crosses that line in what he says, how he touches or looks at me even.I sometimes think is it me? is it pure transference? And then at other times, when I see how he is around me when others are around- I see a change in him and I think well perhaps it is not all me. Really I am shocked to learn he was an actor?? What happened to the story of the monk and the rainbow and being trained for years and years? I do feel though that sometimes there are things/people we cannot explain. CH has this ability to morph into different personalities and ways of being. Does that make him psychotic? Or does that make him other wordly? I dont know. I know that I have a very strong 6th sense about people and places....and I "felt" at Eden that there was a good energy that went bad.I always had a feeling stephanie had feelings for him, I always felt CH was not faithful to his family and always felt he was a man fighting with his own demons. There were times when he was cruel and said cruel things-these only made me see what i was saying to myself really....and he never treated me in a way that wasnt safe and caring. But I am concerned....I did always have the feeling I was being "groomed" and from the other website- rick ross.....I hear he has ways of working on someone...there have been times he has said things that made me think he had a relationship in mind.....I would really like to hear from anyone who would have anything to offer, any insight. Was I a fool? Did I waste my time and money I didnt have? Thankyou

[davron]

Back again after a while, I see the knives are out on both sides about Flying Saucer Man and the Pizza Guru.

If you read Rick Ross you will notice several people have mentioned that the Pizza and the Saucer knew each other and may have been involved in a financial venture of some kind.

Flying Saucer Man never ever responds to this.... interesting! I see that FSM has laid accusations at the door of a company who have nothing to do with PG, yet he has not responded to the very open and clear posting.

Its clear that FSM does have an agenda as does PG. I wonder which one is the more honest? FSM works on the principle of 'kill 'em all and let Jehova sort them out', a principle we have been using for a long time and all it manages to achive is drive your friends and allies away.

From a good start to a bad ending.

Davron (no vomit or beer was involved with this posting)

[Sarama]

Hello

I am new to this site- in fact I stumbled along the thread looking for some info on CH. Ive been a client/patient for some time. In that time I believe that he has an amazing power- I have seen amazing changes in my life and he has been supportive and caring. However I would add that at time he crosses that line in what he says, how he touches or looks at me even.I sometimes think is it me? is it pure transference? And then at other times, when I see how he is around me when others are around- I see a change in him and I think well perhaps it is not all me. Really I am shocked to learn he was an actor?? What happened to the story of the monk and the rainbow and being trained for years and years? I do feel though that sometimes there are things/people we cannot explain. CH has this ability to morph into different personalities and ways of being. Does that make him psychotic? Or does that make him other wordly? I dont know. I know that I have a very strong 6th sense about people and places....and I "felt" at Eden that there was a good energy that went bad.I always had a feeling stephanie had feelings for him, I always felt CH was not faithful to his family and always felt he was a man fighting with his own demons. There were times when he was cruel and said cruel things-these only made me see what i was saying to myself really....and he never treated me in a way that wasnt safe and caring. But I am concerned....I did always have the feeling I was being "groomed" and from the other website- rick ross.....I hear he has ways of working on someone...there have been times he has said things that made me think he had a relationship in mind.....I would really like to hear from anyone who would have anything to offer, any insight. Was I a fool? Did I waste my time and money I didnt have? Thankyou

Hello Davron, nice to see you again! I've always enjoyed your balanced and humourous points of view sans beer and vomit of course.

mariac, I think you will find a very different conversation takes place once you leave the sanctity or insanity rather of the RR "educational forum", unless of course some of the same mob frequents here, which they have indeed been known to do from time to time on their way to tend their flocks of chatrooms, forums, and poster sites around the internet.

Personally mariac, I do not see that there is any side to take in this situation. If your practitioner has broken the law then let the process of the law take place. If you need to initiate that process then do so. On another posters recommendation I visited and read through the then 90 odd (and "odd" is an understatement) pages on RR, and I watched many patterns taking place. Your own as a patient entering the site with concerns can be observed many times as a matter of course as can the ferocity in which they are pummeled by the mob.

Transference as you refer to it happens, unfortunately it happens all too often. The sad thing is that we have put laws in place to deal with the consequences and aftermath, but neither the general public nor the practitioners themselves are any more educated on the subject. You are unfortunately an exception. Furthermore, no one wants to talk about it. You refer to your own feelings as transference, and you seem to recognise this, however when your practitioner crosses that boundary or line it is what is known as counter-transference. I am not here to talk you out of what you may have experienced, however I am also not going to try to persuade you that your experience was something that it was not, something "special" that only a Mayan Abdominal or apparently Cranial Therapist, Lightworker, Intuitive Healer, or some other such is "specially trained to help you with". This is something I have witnessed being both bought and sold on RR too many times already and these are simply people cashing in on a sad situation. If you are going to speak to someone, speak to someone who has nothing to gain from this, whether it is your attention, their own reputation, or your pocket book. Speak with someone who has both feet planted firmly in reality and who is completely outside of the situation, has never even heard of this gent nor has ever had anything to do with him. Stop talking about aura's and energy, just for one second, just long enough for you to gain some real insight and grounded understanding of the situation, just long enough to hear your own voice, and do not let anyone feed into these beliefs either just so they can take advantage of the situation and at the end of the day to satisfy, or validate their own beliefs or worse yet, to justify their own actions.

A patient, practitioner, or even former friend finds themselves in RR, and it takes as little as one query to find themselves being bombarded with private messaging and tales of horror from behind the scenes. It absolutely bewilders me how many ex-girlfriends have entered the soiree from well over 30 years ago. Bad relationships perhaps, bad endings, but why air out your dirty laundry and try to pass off a bad break-up or even an affair as a crime?
Former friends from teenage years that still have completely unchanged perspectives though their opinions burgeoned at the age of 17 or 21. Former acquaintances that have not even spoken or seen the man in going on 10 years, but keenly believe every bit of gossip and rumour that comes to them, and all seem to surmise that people get worse as opposed to better with time, or are even capable of change. Who is to say that this gent has not sought out help recently or in the last 20 years? Obviously not them, it is evident that none of them have made contact, spoke with, or even met their quarry and that is what troubles me most as a reader.

- stay tuned, there is more to come -

[Sarama]

mariac, you summed it up in fact when you said the following on RR quite recently "Some posts are not posted by the moderator, thats an odd thing. I would like this posted though as it affects the people who are writing to me. I am not a patient anymore. I was. And what I said still stands. Its important that we have a distinction between his time at Eden, his behaviour last year and his behaviour now. Like the wayishere says, thats the only way we will get a balanced picture. So please mr/mrs/ms moderator post this as its important to make those distinctions. Thank you again. With Peace and Light."

Some posts are simply not posted at all or are "edited" by the moderators in RR for a bias or for publicity and rankings, period. I have not seen that happen in other forums.

If there is anything I could offer it would be to question your experience, but do not let others taint YOUR experience or worse yet, tell you what your experience was. - I just know I am going to get jolted for this one, knowing that there is an angry mob behind much of this, - but I have followed this story now as well as many other similar, and what is going on is just wrong at this point. Not one of these people have actually approached this gent, they have just done as you have done, which is wandered into a site full of pseudonyms, taken what was offered and ran with it. However there is no where to run with it as they seem to be finding out and this only serves to anger them more it would seem. Meanwhile in Victoria, your practitioner is hopefully getting help, whether that be medical professional, psychological help, or a lawyer, as this has thankfully been brought to his attention, and he is in all likelihood moving on with his life. Hopefully not in the same direction, but unless we are in direct contact, who are we to say?
I just do not see many sane, balanced views. I see a lot of personal issues that have been carried over many years and a seemingly needless incitement to hate, little more. As the latest poster said while rallying the troops "we all want CH gone! He is still in Victoria doing what he has always done." As I reader I question what are their real reasons for wanting this person "gone" so badly, what exactly does that mean while we're at it, and how would they know if he is "doing what he has always done" or if he has started a new career as an interior decorator? Which by the way and without any insensitivity to your own situation mariac, if you happen to have any contact with this gent, you may just want to suggest he begin looking into alternative careers, and leave the Alternative healing one far behind him.

As I said in a previous posting, it only takes 1 legitimate complaint to the Metro Police or as they have been doling out, the Sapphire Unit to initiate an investigation. ALL, not just some complaints are investigated. Believe me, they do take these things seriously. Go down to your local station and discuss the process with them if you want to know. Stop taking other peoples words for it.

The problem here is that obviously many of these complaints were not made at all, or were quite simply not true in the first place. There may have even been an investigation already, there may be one on going right now. Please tell me that they do not expect Constable Jim to login to RR and keep them diligently informed as to the progress on this particularly important case!
There appear to be many unanswered questions, and this has been going on for so long now that it brings only more questions up for some. My one question would coincide with a point that you brought up in your own posting which is that it is important that a distinction be made from when your practitioner started, to where he is now in his career. Not one of those posters seem to have had any contact with the focus of so much of their attention and anger since the controversy was created nearly 2 years ago.

However I think it is far more important that we address some of your own questions here such as "grooming". I have seen this word overused and misused primarily on RR. Traditionally "grooming" was a term applied to pedophiles, not adults. I believe it is called courting, flirting, wining and dining and what have you when applied to adults, and we are speaking about adults here are we not? In this instance however it is important that if you felt your practitioner was flirting with you, or making advances of any sort, if you felt uncomfortable in any way, than the above terms change to what is known as counter-transference and that is a fairly clear indication of your practitioner perhaps needing a practitioner of their own. The solution however is simple, you confront your practitioner, and tell them to stop or you stop going. This of course gets murky when you find yourself having feelings as well because you will be less likely to stop it, and then of course any guilt surrounding these feelings will compound the issue, allowing the inappropriate behaviour, - and it is most certainly inappropriate, - to either continue or even progress. What is important is that you recognised the initial transference process, and despite this, you recognised that his own behaviour and any reciprocation was wrong.
You got in, you received treatment that apparently helped you, and if what you are saying is true, you got out.

still more...

[Sarama]

My greatest problem with all of this, and not just this situation, but all situations like this, is who told us that when we step into a doctors office, a dentists office, teachers office, our lawyers office or otherwise, who told us that when they tell us to take off our shirts that we have to listen? That we can not make decisions of our own? That we have no right to question their supposed authority and instruction? Or that we can not request a chaperone? Who told us, or how did we get it into our heads as women (or men) that when we walk into anyone's office that not only do we have to take off our shirts as requested, we also have to strip ourselves of any personal responsibility, we have to strip ourselves of our own personal power?

For me the answer is simple. We do not.

At what point do we say to ourselves, - as in this situation - this man is married, this man has a relationship, I have a relationship, I am married, whether or not their relationships are in jeopardy is none of our business, nor should it be made our business by our practitioners. In some cases we may even be paying them to find solutions to our relationship queries. Whatever the case, these are all OUR own morale check points we are barreling through. Why?
At what point do we say to ourselves he is my practitioner and it is their duty to find helpful and healthful solutions for me, in short it his duty to show care, he is my teacher and it is their job to impart their knowledge to me, nothing more. As patients or students, customers or clients we may feel that we can tell this person things that we can not tell other people, we may naturally be drawn to them, that is indeed why we find ourselves on their doorsteps, we may feel indebted to them, but we need to start recognising this for what it is at this point, not fooling ourselves into believing it is 'love', nor allowing them to convince us of this either. That said, I tend to disagree with anyone who tells me I can be convinced of anything that I do not want to be convinced of and this returns me to my own initial query which is;
Who told us, or how did we get it into our heads that when we walk into anyone's office that we have to strip ourselves of own personal power?

Sarama, out

[davron]

Well, what can you say when confronted by such anger and poor site control. If you read the site, not just Pizza Guru, its clear that sensationalist views are the food and drink of the Rick Ross site.

Those who respond to the questions are damed more than those who dont. Its the old 'witch drowning' all over again. If you float when being thrown in the mill pond ie answer- you are guilty. If you drown ie allow them to accuse you of guilt and admit by silence to all crimes they accuse you of, you die instead.

I wonder what Rick Ross gets out of all of this, money, chat shows, being an expert?

I know lets invent a cult, make a posting and see how many people share their experiances of it. An interesting experiment as it may give us an idea of how much of the Rick Ross site is pure fantasy.

I suggest the Mount Zion Temple of Om. Anyone have any other thoughts?

Davron

[davron]

Mariac

The honest and open nature of your postings has made me look at the Rick Ross forum once again.

There are many claims about the malign and inappropriate deeds that Hansard has committed with clients and against other people in general. It is clear given the body of statement that he has been a nightmare to be around and acted very inappropriately towards clients. What is also evident is that anyone who disagrees with the common body of opinion is shouted down and harassed, to the extent that all of his supporters and all the voices of reason have been drowned out by the loudest voices.

In the 60s American universities conducted a number of psychological experiments. These experiments are now common knowledge and have entered folk history.

One consisted of inviting people in from the street and asking them to twist a dial which was marked from 1 to 10, beyond 10 was highlighted in red with the words caution and extreme danger. Every time they turned the dial up one notch a scream could be heard from behind a locked door. When they turned the dial in to the caution and extreme danger the screams stopped. They were all encouraged to turn the knob up into the caution and danger areas. Only one person refused they did this because people around them kept saying it's okay, it's okay. The test was merely to find out whether people would say no in situations where the crowd said yes.

The second experiment consisted of a crowd of students being asked to compare a series of horizontal bars projected onto a screen. It was something a bit like a bar chart. Of the 12 students ten had been pre-primed to say bar number one was longer than bar number two. This experiment and trick was played to the students time and time again until two students who were not part of the team began to copy the others and say that bar two was larger than bar one.

You can observe this phenomena in action on the Rick Ross site. The fever generated by the postings and the hammering away at those who have different opinions forces those who are posting either to agree or abandoned the cause. A person who started the initial postings has been driven away, as have many of the people who work to produce evidence against Hansard. The mob mentality led by a few very strident voices have driven away voice of reason and the evidence.

On top of this we now have people claiming their five minutes of fame from Hansard's past. A typical posting would be ‘ when we were both eight he stole my ice cream, and kicked my teddy bear’. This as everybody knows is absolute proof of a bad boy in the making. ‘ He was a nightmare boyfriend had tried to have sex with me in the back of a car!’ What male under the age of 30 is not a nightmare to be around? If he had not tried to have sex the statement would be ‘ he was a nightmare boyfriend and refused to have sex with in the back of a car, he is definitely gay!’

Do not allow yourself to be swayed by mass hysteria.


Davron (this auto typing programme is pretty cool stuff)8)

[Sarama]

Now see? There you go again being all rational and giving some sound view points.

Hansard would be much safer in police custody than at the hands of the Ricky mob that's for sure.

But are you so sure we should create our own cult Davron? Are you sure we even have to? I googled your suggestion of "Mount Zion Temple of Om" and actually got some pretty uncanny close results.

Scary!

Sarama

[davron]

Sarama,

that is so funny I am a Guru with psychic powers! Now all I need is a high stakes poker game and I feel my investment fund building. Nope better still, I am a Guru send me cash and it will make you feel better. Cant say plainer than that.

Davron

[Sarama]

I'm going to be uncharacteristically sensitive here, and not mention any names but

"I know I had had and still do have a really rough time away from him. I feel psychically attacked and drained and my mind feels all foggy. My heart races and my stomach gets in knots. Its horrible. If anyone knows a way to rid oneself of his energy that seems to have latched onto me? Sometimes I just feel like I am going crazy and wish his energy would go away."

That's because you are going crazy, and not getting the proper support and help. That much is evident by letting yourself be convinced that anyone's "energy" can "latch" itself onto you.

That is the latest offering from the "Cult Education Cult". It's somewhat startling how many similarities each forum in and of itself has with the “official” description and definition of a cult, and how many cult leader personality types there are in every discussion.

Sadly, and I mean that sincerely, it seems that once again mass insanity reigns supreme. As I said, meanwhile in Victoria? Westminster? Somewhere in London, Hansard is "doing what he has always done" and is probably getting on with his life, though apparently not without his dutiful followers. While somewhere else in London I presume an angry mad mob convinces one another that his "energy" still lingers on them somehow, and that they can't live without him? Furthermore they are being psychically attacked? What the $#@%

Are we talking about Vulcan mind control or Laser therapy? I'm confused. I think I may have upped Bindeweede on weird and wonderful. That site is an absolute goldmine! These people are actually writing testimonials for people like Elizabeth Francis multi-skilled and gifted lightworker, Gary Mannion, Indigo Child and Psychic Surgeon, and Sally Morgan: Star Psychic!



Someone please lock him up for his own protection!
It's safer on the inside!

[Sarama]

Sarama,

that is so funny I am a Guru with psychic powers! Now all I need is a high stakes poker game and I feel my investment fund building. Nope better still, I am a Guru send me cash and it will make you feel better. Cant say plainer than that.

Davron

I think I may have found your target market.

[davron]

Sadly I see this everyday, people on boths sides of a wall throwing bombs and stones at each other. Thinking thats its 'others' doing it to them and if only the 'others' would go away, admit guilt, stop doing it back etc, etc then life would be prefect.

If you look once again the voices of reason are being drowned out. I would like to emigrate to some where warm and sunny where there is no chaos trouble is, rest of humanity has already got there first.


So Sarama, fancy the job of chief accolyte? All you have to do is count the cash and recruit the blondes for my bodouir. In return you get a monthly mercedes allowance and the ability abuse anyone you want... sounds like a job for an established politician. Funny who we allow or elect to have power over us. What is it in human nature, pack instinct?, alpha male/female?, that allows us to let people gain a foot hold in our lives. Humanity is a sad old case.

So if you fancy worshiping a fat(ish) man with a balding spot who has nasty personal habits. I am your man, how can you resist!

Davron

[davron]

'Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English). I wish I could write and speak English like Lewis Carroll, the man was a genius.

It would appear that the Flying Saucer Man is indulging in some form of chicanery. He has removed all replies and comments from his blogs and websites from CF whom he has been pillorying for last week, making it seem that no point has CF responded to any of the accusations. I am reminded of a line from an AC DC track ' dirty deeds, done dead cheap'.

It would appear that once Flying Saucer Man has been challenged and adequate response has been given, his only method debate is one of remodelling the truth to fit his own personal standards. Oh and let us not forget the time honoured political principle remodelling the truth.

When I first came across this I said that the Pizza Guru and the Flying Saucer Man deserved each other, and that they ought to be locked up in a room and the entire event televised. I am now, by the very devious actions of the Flying Saucer Man, forced to reconsider my views about Pizza Guru, and that hurts.

It would appear from all postings that the Pizza Guru Is a fairly unsavoury character. But what is now apparent Is that the Flying Saucer Man Is equally as unsavoury.

Davron

[Sarama]

Sadly I see this everyday, people on boths sides of a wall throwing bombs and stones at each other. Thinking thats its 'others' doing it to them and if only the 'others' would go away, admit guilt, stop doing it back etc, etc then life would be prefect.

So Sarama, fancy the job of chief accolyte? All you have to do is count the cash and recruit the blondes for my bodouir. In return you get a monthly mercedes allowance and the ability abuse anyone you want... sounds like a job for an established politician. Funny who we allow or elect to have power over us. What is it in human nature, pack instinct?, alpha male/female?, that allows us to let people gain a foot hold in our lives. Humanity is a sad old case.

So if you fancy worshiping a fat(ish) man with a balding spot who has nasty personal habits. I am your man, how can you resist!

Davron

Being in Israel, I guess you really would see this everyday, up close and personal.

I'm afraid I would make a terrible acolyte Davron, sorry. Apparently I am not much of a follower. I am thinking this sort of behaviour is much more aligned with flock instinct as the well documented experiments you brought up in an earlier posting demonstrate. baaa!

S

[davron]

Famous again!

Interestingly the debate is now splitting into those who want to see the law investigate and those who want to just destroy.

There have been a couple of court cases here where excult members have tried to sue the cult. The members got so angry that they lost focus. In the end there were so many accusations against so may people they lost the case and it cost them a fortune.

Remember the old joke about alligators and swamps!

Davron