Rick Ross cult buster or cultist?

[mahakala]

Well rats, how did I overlook this whole thread on Rick Ross.

Vaidya,

All the evidence is pretty much in about Hansard's massive misrepresentation. He owes a lot of people a very big apology but in typically arrogant and cowardly fashion he has said little on that score.

He's probably afraid of legal rejoinders because of what is in his books but if he had an ounce of the spirit he claimed to represent he would suck it up and do the right thing.

But he won't.

[davron]

Yo Kris, Mahakala, Sarama

I found the ipodcasts, I have never heard a voice so awful it sounded like one of those fans in cheap American hotels, they grind away for hours until you stuff a towel in the hole to shut them up.

Bowe and Ross a pair made for each other. As for Mr Green he has a point I think, how can you tell it is not Bowe when the arguments and word use are the same?

Bowe and Ross do the same thing they encourage destruction. The ones who were abused were not protected by Ross on his site, which makes him the same as Hansard. Bowe did the same as well and has lied about facts that can be proven. Sos Bowe, Hansard and Ross the same person no, the same personality and personality traits yes.

Davron

More foil is needed under my hat I think, also rubber chicken

[Rupert Green]

Vaidya if indeed you are not Mr Bowe then I do most sincerely apologise.

You assume that it is paranoia that motivates me, I can assure you that it is not the case. As has already been stated by others, Mr Bowe has a history with the Tibetan community which can only be described as exceedingly poor. He wanders through the world and internet casting both doubt and aspersions on all who do not fit his personal ‘vision of truth’ irrespective of innocence or guilt. Those who have worked with commitment towards betterment of the lot of the Tibetan peoples, those who have suffered at the hands of others are all affected by his egotistical actions. He denies all means of contact or redress to those who would rebut his statements or seek to clarify his ‘speculations’. Having observed the results of some of his actions I feel no remorse in following him across the internet.

Once again if you are not Mr Bowe I do apologise.

Rupert

[Sarama]

Please, for the love of... do NOT start a separate thread on Bowes, Bowe, Denise, Geoffrey, Jeff, whatever his/her name is. Forget about him/her/it, as Davron said he/she/it is in the same league as Ross and Hansard, and if we have learned anything at all what so ever it is that they all feed off of and prosper from such attention.

I'm inclined to agree with Davron, that those who were abused were not at all protected on RR. Many of those who attempted to bring any intelligent conversation or sound advice to the forum where immediately banned. Posters such as somewheregood, dr. thomas, dr. yeshi and many others who seemed to encourage the actual patients themselves to come forward, be supported and work together, were never to post again.

Simply because contrary to feeding into the hysteria and frenzy that was taking place they seemed to offer solutions such as the patients getting organised and considering a class action suit amoong other actions and options that are at their disposal.

Ross was not interested. He was and is only ever interested in his own bloody rankings. Therefore the more sensational, and downright crazy, the better. More readers, bigger audience.

[Across the Pond]

Well, not to bring up an old topic, but I am Jeff Bowe, but not the one you are mad at.
In June 2008, you ran a google list of all the Jeff Bowe's and actually, these are all me although the sequence of my career is a bit off:

(Jeff) Bowe is a regional vice president for The Resource Development Group, a business consulting company.

Jeff Bowe is a professional sales trainer, sales coach, and outsourced sales manager.

Jeff Bowe, Regional Vice President and Partner of the Resource Development Group LLC

Jeff Bowe of Benham Press (Indianapolis)

The speaker, Jeff Bowe, is an adjunct college instructor

So, there are more than a few of us. I was actually checking into a hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA one night and the desk clerk asked me about my suite. Well, I like to travel well, but not usually in a suite. Turns out, there were two Jeff Bowe's in that hotel the same night.

As for the artist, there is a Jeff Bowe painter in New York, I've communicated a few times. Not sure he is your "guy" either. I'm this guy [link removed]

Have a great day.

[mahakala]

I notice another person has been banned from RR, not sure for what. A suspicious mind?

[mahakala]

It also seems that there is a whole lot of battyness going on in the Christopher Hansard thread and others. The author of that thread, Pema, apparently had a chance to interview Hansard but was afraid to meet with him face to face, according to one individual bumped from the site. And because of her labeling one 'Dr. Thomas' a troll, that individual has been banned. This Pema character seems to be pretty loose with the label "sexual predator," having accused Ole Nydahl of the same on another thread, and then being challenged on that score by the same Dr. Thomas. She also seems to have it in for another Bhuddist teacher, Sogyal. Meanwhile, Gita is publishing Hansard love letters (e-mails) and the same Pema considers those valuable and damning, as did our lad, Jeff Bowe. Meanwhile, most authorities seem to have written this off as scorned lovers and the "domain of the grudge bearing" as one hack put it. I wonder why?

[mahakala]

Is he or isn't he? A sexual predator I mean. There is now a website called The Courant where it is claimed that there are 20 documented cases of abuse involving Hansard.

Hansard seems to have evoloved from a womanizing cigar smoking wino into somekind of "sex therapist." But nobody seems to be able to discern: is he a criminal, is he insane, or is he a healer who likes to push the envelope with what is considered safe and acceptible?

I wish we could get all these people in a room together and find out. I mean geez, it is really so hard to launch a lawsuit in England nowadays. Where's all those pro bono lawyers smelling blood. But then Hansard doesn't have much money so that's probably why they don't care.

Thinking about the authorities sparks my sceptism; reading RR induces paranoia.

[mahakala]

Oh my oh my. This poor lonely author now has a limp and a bad case of MPD.

Free speech.

But even the journalist over there doesn't advocate it.

Neither does Dorje, or Jeff Bowe, or Rick Ross.

I find that quite disturbing.

Shall we have a public burning, string up the "trolls." But who will decide who is a troll and who is not. RR, Dorje, Bowe, Pema?

My preference is to throw in a few bankers, regulators, law enforcement types and lots of journalists because they won't do their job, but that's just me.

Oh.....I'll save Hansard to the end because I'll be putting him to "the question" first, soley, I admit, for my own morbid satisfaction.

Come on guys, over there on RR, admit your real motivations will you?

[mahakala]

Oh dear oh dear. I know have it on firm authority that Dorje and Rick Ross are the same person. But now this is very troubling. The author of a site devoted to getting Hansard investigated by authorities, and creator of a petition to go along with it, is calling him or herself LizzieJaneCochran. The real LizzieJaneCochran was one Nellie Bly, the famous American journalist who faked insanity in order to study a mental institution some one hundred years ago. Now this strange turn events makes me wary of everything on that site and makes me ask this question:

Does Ross realize that his deceptions bring into question all the allegations against Hansard and increase the liklihood that authorities will see it as a tiff between lovers, in this case gay lovers?

Why else would Ross, who fills his days with thoughts of all kinds of unscrupulous posers, be so interested in the Hansard affair?

[mahakala]

Strange days in the world of Christopher Hansard. The devious tactics being used by certain critics do not bode well for his capture, but smell of the training they received from him.

Is it all a replay of some old Tibetan drama: Bon warfare?

[mahakala]

Hi folks, it's your intrepid reporter mahakala here again. I have a new lead on the identity of lizzie. That is that he/she is Hansard's Canadian lover (now former). She knew he was a married man, a liar, and generally a madman but all were overlooked for a very long time. Why? Love? If Lizzie be her what are we to think about her testimony. Not long ago she was singing one tune, now she is singing another. What is true, what is not.

Any of you skeptics feel like taking Hansard out, out for a drink I mean?

[mahakala]

One other thing. The discovery about Rick Ross and Dorje and maybe/maybe not Lizzie makes me wonder, how many of the pseudo-names being used on RR are actually Mr. Ross talking to himself.

Ooooo.....I get a creepy feeling just thinking about it.

[Sarama]

15th August 2008, 08:07 PM #309 mahakala
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Re: Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine
That his current girlfriend is a former client is no surprise.

As to the culpability of his former girlfriend; I'm presuming she actually believed him and now regrets that as she is "former.".

Would your initials by any chance be SW?

Just curious mahakala why you now seem to be changing your tune as well and seem to be attempting to antagonise alleged victims? Evidently you are not using your real name are you? Though I am only assuming of course. Since one "dr. thomas" has been banned from the Rick Ross site I have observed your sudden re-interest in Skeptics and your questioning the integrity of others not using their own names when posting their grievances online. I can tell you right now, that they are not because they were victims, and live in some fear of their abuser retaliating. You, on the other hand seem to have no reason for the use of a false handle and continue to accuse and attack the motives of anyone who presents any allegations of abuses suffered at the hands of Christopher Hansard.
I think this needs to stop here and now, as I strongly believe that you know of some of the abuses that have been alleged and discussed safely online and perhaps have even treated or cared for some of his alleged victims being a homeopath or holistic practitioner yourself? I do not know what your motives are in blaming victims, or the integrity of those formerly or even still involved with Christopher Hansard, nor do I care. What I do know is you're a hypocrite hiding behind your own "pseudo-name" whilst defending an obvious fraud who it would appear by all accounts put forth, whether online or off, breached serious ethical and moral boundaries with those in his 'care'. Whether or not you think what he did was right or wrong, or you believe the story of his creation, and credentials, he seems to have left a trail of destruction behind him. Whether or not you want to accuse his accusers of being scorned men and women, they have been hurt and/or conned, defrauded, lied to, betrayed, something has upset them. Whatever that is, seems to caused them lasting harm and grievance and they are trying to come to terms with that in which ever way they can. Who are you to say they have not gone to the police, and they have not written letters to authorities using their real names and appealing for help? Who are you to question them going online risking exposure, and putting themselves at the mercy of a public that like you, questions what happened to them while in the care of someone they turned to for help? Only going online in order to prevent further victims.

By the way, I too 'changed my tune' rather quickly after sharing correspondence with one of his patients and you are well aware of that. It is your motives and integrity that I question.

[davron]

Mahakala,

I started this string because I was angry with the way Ross treated the victims. I have the understanding that Ross forum operates as a cult on its own. Please do not drag dead dogs into this string. There is an old saying that 'to give out satans name is to give him strength and substance'. If you ignore satan he nolonger is an object of fear just an object. Very early on i talked of people who were victims being forced to do abuse to be part of the 'special group'.

Tread with stealth because if you take this path you begin to defend the terrorist because 'he is nice to his mother' and ignore the lives he has destroyed. It was said of Goering 'he was a great family man' as a defence for being a Nazi, bombing cities, concentration camps, medical experiments etc, etc. Hansard may be nice to cats, that is not a defence against abuse.

Stockholm syndrome applies to some victims; after all if they defend him they have never been abused. Some rage, some lie, some deny, some hid, some walk away and a few hang themselves. We have no true knowledge of what may have happened to all of the victims in all of the Ross forums. Tread with stealth and use considered words.

Dav