Rick Ross cult buster or cultist?

[davron]

Yo Kris and Sarama
Thanks for the links, makes interesting reading. The implication that he is talking to the Dalai Lama's office is a low down blow, such lies cause conflict.

I notice he has still not responded, if he will not respond when he has been caught publicly lying I suppose that confirms just about every thing that has been said about him. I saw his Tibet, hole in the ground, Nazi technology stuff in those old flying saucer magazines. The response from others was ridicule, but now I think they should think again. Tibetan Way, your clients, was saying the truth all the time and it was Bowe who was telling lies.

On a far more personal note, I have been called up for the reserves. I have to go for three weeks training and sleep on the ground! Sleep on the ground at my age! That is horrid, no soft bed or morning espresso! I will take my espresso machine with me an 'essential medical equipment'.

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Dav

Just left a posting for you in the other thread so just a quckie here.

If Bowe responds now whats he gonna say. The only thing he could say to defend himself would be to say the Dalai Lama's website is wrong. Who are people gonna believe if he tries that. That would finish off any cred hes still got.

Yeah it does make you wonder about his past and what other crap hes been into.

Sorry to hear about the reserves but I like the bed smiley.

Glad you can take the expresso machine. I cant get up in the morning without a few pints of coffee.

Im sure you'll have a laptop around or maybe something a lot more hi-tech so stay in touch.

KK

[Daphne]

Almost every single thread on the Rick Ross forum has a 'trolling problem' according to him. The scary thing is this is how he conducts his so-called research. It doesn't even seem to bother him to keep posts up from people he has banned and branded an apologist, but he deletes anything that he does not agree with quickly enough.

His agenda is obvious enough in that he doesn't like any group that is not jewish as he himself is and he doesn't want to take on anyone that might be able to kick his butt like Scientology did. Most of the cults on there are obscure operations that wouldn't be heard of nevermind effect most people. The only service he provides is giving people the opportunity to be involved in a cult from their own home just by signing up to his forum - want to know what it is like to be a complete idiot that knows nothing compared to an all-powerful, all-knowing leader who claims to be enlightened so he must be - well come on in!!!

[Rupert Green]

Dear Geoffrey,

Sorry should I have called you Jeff instead or should I have called you vaidya? I have been watching the places where you are active and wondered when and where you would turn up again.

This is your old nemesis Rupert Green. It is my determination to stalk you across the Internet, leaving little gobbets of troll like dung, but this dung contains the truth. I have had the remarkably good fortune to meet many Nepalese people and refugees from Tibet. When I was informed of how are you deserted the Tibetan refugees I was appalled. To pretend to be an expert witness, to prepare biased and ill informed documents, to quote yourself as a primary source and no other. Is this the act of an expert on Tibet? No it is the act of charlatan, which you were branded in the courts, and a dreamer of the worst kind. One who would allow others to suffer for his own obsessions and madness. The one good service you did for the Tibetan refugees was failing to turn up in court in the first place. They were lucky that the courts looked kindly upon them and allowed them to stay within the UK. Had you been there no doubt they would have been deported, the court hearing ripped all of your evidence to shreds and stated that you were charlatan. That brand my friend will be burned into your forehead like the mark Cain for eternity

So Geoffrey it's time for you to think up yet another alias and try and sneak back into yet another forum and create havoc. Fortunately the inmates of this particular asylum are not abused individuals, neither do you have that remarkably odious character Richard Ross on your side as well. The people here are far too intelligent, articulate and informed to fall for your little tricks.

I see that once again you are mocking the genuine intelligence of your fellow forum posters. The members on this site have tried to keep to the point, it is you who have employed your traditional tactics of disdain.

Mahakala claims you are Canadian herbalist, if you are why are you hiding behind that name? Your lack of a name gives you no more authority, possibly less, than Kris Krowe. Declare yourself Sir.



Rupert Green

[Sarama]

Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader Mr. Ricky Ross!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

[SimonC]

Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader Mr. Ricky Ross!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

A genuine question, Sarama - who are the 'we' that you refer to in your post?

I don't think that I'm alone in not understanding the context/background to this ongoing discussion.

What's it all about?

[KrisKrowe]

Sarama

Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader Mr. Ricky Ross!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

Right on - we need more flames.

I gotta say tho that Ross seems to do as much research as Bowe. If you read all the crap on the Flaming website award page he's going on about the Hansard thread but he's given the award to this thread which is about him and Bowe.

In the main thread on the RR forum hes also written

"This site of "skieptics" seems a bit concerned about his thread regarding Christopher Hansard."

It looks like he's quoting a misspelling of "skieptics" and I cant find that misspelling in this thread. He spells about as well as Bowe does. Maybe thats one of Bowe's "remarkable coincidences."

Hard luck on the jet lag. I always found large amounts of alcohol was a good cure for that but you need to do that before you fly so it wont help you now.

Ive been hidden away in my studio so Ive not been posting but I have just about sorted out a working pattern for all the new software I've got in the studio so Ive been working on the Ross / Bowe film soundtrack. That WILL get us some extra flames. His maximum seems to be 4 flames but Im going for 5.

KK

[Daphne]

I was hoping that this thread would go on with more information about Rick Ross, but seemed to be sidetracked by an argument that I can't even pretend to understand.

Looks to me like Rick monitors the internet to refute (without actually saying anything) any negative information about him. Sounds like a LOT of cult leaders.

He's complained that the thread is "not very original" and blames the scientologists - if only we could all be convicted kidnappers and jewel thieves and blame it on them!

[Sarama]

A genuine question, Sarama - who are the 'we' that you refer to in your post?

I don't think that I'm alone in not understanding the context/background to this ongoing discussion.

What's it all about?

Thanks SimonC, you're right. This and the other thread are somewhat unclear to say the least, and like I said in the other, I too have lost the plot completely. I will try to gather some links and info together and post it here either this evening or tomorrow morning with hopefully some help from KK and Dav? Mahakala?

[davron]

I must check on this. Hi People I have been up to my eyebrows in Indian jeep parts.. horrid things look good but fall apart at the sight of hump in the road. Only two points thats is very bad after all his site was down for a total of four days. The wonders of milspec software Kris

Dav

[davron]

I could not find score board but then I am so tired I cannot think but I did find this http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2..._fire_lanterns

The crazy thing is this all started off because of Bowe writing Flying Saucer and little blue eyed Aryans in Tibet stuff. So what do we have in Ricky's site... bogus flying saucer encounters. Now Ricky supports all of Bowes thought and comments, but does not belive in flying saucers, or maybe he does. I am now more confused, the cult man supports a cultist but does not support his cult..but! Because his cult is anti another cult he supports the anti cultist cult but not the original cult. Have I got that right?

I need a beer or three.

Davron

[davron]

And then I found this little jem of gold.

'Disclaimer

This news page is about groups, organizations or movements, which may have been called "cults" and/or "cult-like" in some way, shape or form. But not all groups called either "cults" or "cult-like" are harmful. Instead, they may be benign and generally defined as simply people intensely devoted to a person, place or thing. Therefore, the discussion or mention of a group, organization or person on this page, is not necessarily meant pejoratively.'

But Ricky if you think it is a cult it cannot post and is banned because of 'flames', so how can the 'is not necessarily meant pejoratively' apply or even function?


Now off for 4 beers
Davron

[Sarama]

I could not find score board but then I am so tired I cannot think but I did find this http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2..._fire_lanterns

The crazy thing is this all started off because of Bowe writing Flying Saucer and little blue eyed Aryans in Tibet stuff. So what do we have in Ricky's site... bogus flying saucer encounters. Now Ricky supports all of Bowes thought and comments, but does not belive in flying saucers, or maybe he does. I am now more confused, the cult man supports a cultist but does not support his cult..but! Because his cult is anti another cult he supports the anti cultist cult but not the original cult. Have I got that right?

I need a beer or three.

Davron

No more beer for you, unless you pour me one as well of course. I do believe we have managed to confuse the issue even more, especially with lines like "the cult man supports a cultist but does not support his cult..but! Because his cult is anti another cult he supports the anti cultist cult but not the original cult.". I think what SimonC and John are needing are links to specific examples and a summary of Rick Ross's cult activities in this thread, and some more facts regarding the activities of Mr. Hansard in the other.

[vaidya]

Dear Geoffrey,

Sorry should I have called you Jeff instead or should I have called you vaidya? I have been watching the places where you are active and wondered when and where you would turn up again.

snip

So Geoffrey it's time for you to think up yet another alias and try and sneak back into yet another forum and create havoc. Fortunately the inmates of this particular asylum are not abused individuals, neither do you have that remarkably odious character Richard Ross on your side as well. The people here are far too intelligent, articulate and informed to fall for your little tricks.

I see that once again you are mocking the genuine intelligence of your fellow forum posters. The members on this site have tried to keep to the point, it is you who have employed your traditional tactics of disdain.

Mahakala claims you are Canadian herbalist, if you are why are you hiding behind that name? Your lack of a name gives you no more authority, possibly less, than Kris Krowe. Declare yourself Sir.



Rupert Green

mr green

i am not jeff bowe and i am under no obligation to make my identity public to you or anyone else

my main point in the last thread was that the issue at hand is hansard, not his accusers - glad to see that someone properly took up the cause to pop RR's balloon on a separate thread - now someone needs to start one for bowe (how about you?)

i have some personal experience with CH and am deeply disturbed by his fraudulent activities and outright deceptions - he has taken advantage of the trust and loyalty of a great many people, and he has a lot to answer for because of this

as far as i could tell bowe was simply exposing CH on RR, and while many of his points were correct, i cannot say what his motivation is/was

once again, i suggest you start up your own thread on bowe, but perhaps scale back your paranoia a little bit

vaidya

[KrisKrowe]

mr green

i am not jeff bowe and i am under no obligation to make my identity public to you or anyone else

Vaidya

Its been a while.

Mr Green probly suspects you of being Bowe cos of your choice of name. If you look at Bowe's many alter egos there is a common thread running through the names he chooses.

my main point in the last thread was that the issue at hand is hansard, not his accusers - glad to see that someone properly took up the cause to pop RR's balloon on a separate thread - now someone needs to start one for bowe (how about you?)

Like you said this thread is about Ross and since he or his moderators and Bowe seem to be joined at the hip we may as well deal with Bowe in this thread alongside his hero Ross. No need for yet another thread that would only feed Bowe's desire for publicity.

as far as i could tell bowe was simply exposing CH on RR, and while many of his points were correct, i cannot say what his motivation is/was

I got involved in all this cos Bowe attacked a friend of mine. I had no prior interest in the CH situation so I can be objective about that.

Bowe wasnt exposing CH. The RR thread was there for months before Bowe joined in. Who knows the truth about CH but all Bowe did was make allegations supported by a number of blogs that he had started himself. Quoting himself didn't prove that what he was saying was the truth. He's been asked many times for some evidence of how he obtained all his knowledge about Tibet, Bon, etc but he never answered those questions cos the fact is he was making it all up.

He kept ranting on about the Northern Treasure School and claiming that it didn't exist when even a top lama had stated that it did. Just do a seacrh on the Web and you'll find plenty of refs to that school. Many coming from respected Tibetan lamas so should we believe them or believe Bowe?

If he was really interested in CH then why has he dropped that whole thing? He's got blogs all over the Web but the only updates on them since May have been about TW not CH. After that he started attacking one of my friends and TW setting up more blogs using false names and stealing peoples identities. None of those have been updated since June. No doubt he's off attacking some other poor innocents cos that what his life is all about.

Its pretty obvious what his motivation is. He gets his kicks by making other peoples lives a misery and when hes done the damage and dirtied their name he moves on to his next victim. Even when hes proved wrong he doesn't apologise he just leaves his rubbish blogs up on the web for all to see.

Bottom line is there is plenty of proof out there that Bowe makes up stories and then tries to make people believe him by claiming that the stories are well researched and confirmed by experts. So with his lies about Tibetan medicine he dragged in the Dalai Lama's office and the NIMH. Its one thing lieing but dragging in other people is just out of order. Either Bowe never spoke with the Dalai Lama's office or with NIMH in which case that was a second lie or he did contact them and those people lied or know nothing about their subjects. Which of those do you think is the truth?

If he lied like that about Tibetan medicine while claiming to be a great expert then how much of all his other stories are true and how many are lies? If he ever had any cred he lost it when he started inventing stories to attack people he doesn't even know.

If you want info on Bowe's fantasy world then check out

http://tibetanway.blogspot.com/

http://jeff-bowe.blogspot.com/

http://jeffreybowe.blogspot.com/

once again, i suggest you start up your own thread on bowe, but perhaps scale back your paranoia a little bit

vaidya

As for paranoia maybe Mr Green has been reading too much of Bowe's crap or worse still listening to some of his podcasts. Just check those out for paranoid conspiracy crap. According to Bowe the Dalai Lama and Tibetan govt are appeasing the Chinese. The British Foreign Office is in league with the Chinese and is funding organisations in the UK that pretend to be pro-Tibet but are really minions of the Chinese govt. Loony.

KK