Rick Ross cult buster or cultist?

[davron]

Rick Ross, no not the Rap boy.

I have been looking at Rick Ross Forum and the history of the owner is very interesting. At one point I asked in Skeptics what Rick Ross got out of running it. I had always assumed that he had some form of psych science training, but no. RR is your genuine USA oppertunist, a history of mental disturbance, theft, bank robbery, credit card fraud and kidnaping.

It would appear that he never evaluates the statments made on his site. Any dispute with any formal religon or organisation is always assumed to be true. I have began to look around due to the last posting made by a moderator on the site. This man issued a warning that 'Trolls' ( little men who dig holes in the ground and rescue Snow White) were opperating on the site. A perfectly reasoned statment that asked for calm and resolution was branded as subversive.

It would appear that the Rick Ross Forum moderators will support any postings that condem any group, but never one that supports calm and reason.

The reasoned statment, well I consider it as such.

I agree with you dr thomas, speculation never solved anything
The real victims/patients- need to feel safe on this site and feel they are supported to make a statement to witness or to the police
Those on here that were apprentices, friends or ex lovers, your redress is slightly more complex. I would respectfully suggest that you join together, help each other and see what you can do to recover yourselves and each other. In fighting wont make a difference to anything. If you want to move on, perhaps you can give each other the strength to do that. As only you know what it was truly like to be that close to him and how he hurt you/betrayed you.
As we know CH does read this forum- so I would again respectfully urge him to take a very close look at your actions,their causes, the people in your life who you have hurt and where this behaviour is coming from. Only you can make this stop for good. And really there must be something in you that must want to, that needs to. Abuse is a cycle. One can only imagine where this behaviour comes from in you. Perhaps its time to put to rest the ghosts of your past and start mending the present.
If there is anyone here who is a therapist or knows about such behaviour patterns maybe you could shed some light on all this and suggest a way ahead
Finally,anger and mob mentality never solved anything.
Any kind of redress has to be done with compassion and care.
This is about finding the best way to stop this behaviour from continuing, preserving some human compassion and staying in the truth.
There are real stories of healing too and in the effort to get "justice" those should not be negated.
Perhaps one day CH can be a true healer/alternative therapist.
Right now he is no longer fit for that. This is not about saying if you had results from his work you are wrong or imaging it and if you didnt you were abused. This is about saying, some patients were mistreated.They are left hurt and confused. They need redress and help.
CH may once have helped a lot of people. Allegations of abuse query that, so we need to find a way to get a body/someone/authority to assess whether he is fit for that now. Every car has its MOT,this is his. That is how we keep sanity, truth and hopefully stay healthy and see things as they are.
Thank you
With Peace

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June 22, 2008 03:14AM

jeff boweDate Added: 02/24/2007 Posts: 239
Re: Christopher Hansard

I don't believe it myself, but some people may regard your comments as being the authorship of Christopher Hansard. What was that line from 'Paradise Lost'? Ah yes.... "With words clothed in reason's garb.."



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June 22, 2008 11:19PM

rrmoderatorDate Added: 06/17/2002 Posts: 2892
Re: Christopher Hansard

To whom it may concern:

This thread has been something of a target for "Internet trolls."

Typically the trolls here seem to be aligned and/or sympathetic in some way, shape or form to Christopher Hansard.

There was "Dr. Yeshe" and now it seema there is "Dr. Thomas."

Trolls don't are not always forthright, realizing they may be banned if they are too obvious to begin with, so they remain vague and tend to spread the blame around, playing one side against the other in an effort to subvert a thread.

They go back and forth and back and forth and so on.

"Somewheregood" appears to be doing this.

Please understand that there are few people very close to being banned on this thread.

This troll activity is growing tiresome.


Is it me or has he just endorsed the mob rule ethic and condemed reason and conciliation?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Yo Davron

Its Kris Krowe here - an old mate of Chris Farmer who has been attacked in the Ross Hansard Bowe forum. Chris is busy with some charity projects at the moment so I'm just keeping an eye on his back. As youre a military man I'm sure you know about that idea.

Loved your posting. That Ross forum is just insane. Ive met some very odd people over the years but nuthin like that lot.

Anyone who posts anything sensible in the Hansard thread is now regarded as flaming or as a troll.

Have you seen Bowe's latest comment brown-nosing the moderator?

The forum is offline at the moment so I can't quote Bowe but he was rabbiting on about trolls so check this out.

Bowe has a blog about Padma Gonpo whoever that is. The funny thing is that Bowe is claiming the blog is operated by Buadhach. Do a quick search in Google for Buadhach and the first thing that pops up is "Buadhach is a philosophical troll." So Bowes admitting that hes a troll.

Defined by Wikipedia as "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

That sounds like Bowe to me so shouldnt he be banned from the Ross forum?

"Is it me or has he just endorsed the mob rule ethic and condemed reason and conciliation?"

Gotta agree with that. Maybe we should join up and show them what mob rule is all about.

How about it.

KK

[davron]

Hi Kris,

I looked up on the Internet and I have discovered is that I am talking to someone famous. I pass this information on to my nephew for the first time ever in my life I am ‘cool’.8) This is a radical departure for the and has caused much humour with my friends.

If you look into Rick Ross forum you will see a posting by a young lady who is talking about ‘ the cult of one person’. Interestingly the definitions that the Rick Ross people give exactly match what Rick Ross is doing and what that person Jeff Bowe is doing as well.

I have been involved with much conflict in my life and what I can say is any system that automatically adopts a standpoint that the individuals grievance is right, the system automatically prevents any form of constructive dialogue and only leads to escalation of violence, distortion of the truth and gross lies.

Brown nosing? is that the same as 'a.. hole licker'? if it is very funny I like the idea of teaming up and playing Satans friend.

Davron

[davron]

Kis

I do not know if you have seen this. The man has not replied, so working on his logic method he must be guilty.

http://www.tibetanway.co.uk/BoweLetter.html


What I do not understand of Bowe is if you wanted to ask a question of a person in the GB why would you post on American cult site?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Davron

Thanks for the comps but spare my blushes. I think Green Slime is cooler U know what I mean.

Checked the posting on RR and that seems about right.

I understand what you are saying about conflict. Tho my experience of that bears no resemblance to what U must have seen out there.

U got brown nosing right!

Cool to meet someone who understands the meaning of Satan. I guess thats down to where U are and reading the Tanakh.

So yeah lets team up on this. A strange team but pretty apt when U think about it.

Yr 2nd post. Yeah I saw that and Bowe hasnt replied. At least not by late Thursday in the UK. Chris Farmer was meeting the guys from Tibetan Way yesterday and he asked me to come along for a drink afterwards so I met that team. Interesting guys. A bit too peaceful for me but their hearts are in the right place and theyve all been around big time. The business client bit has now turned to friendship so I guess Bowe did them all a favour there. Adversity makes strange bedfellows.

Anyway theyve got the full SP on Bowe and I got some good info tho I promised not to spill the beans just yet. But yeah by any form of logic Bowe's guilty as hell. It will all come out soon.

U ask a good question and thats what the TW team have been asking themselves. Bowe's been asking questions in a load of blogs that he's set up as well as the forum. The joke is he's blocked the blogs so that no one can reply apart from his brown nose badboys.

Even funnier After TWs legal guys called Bowe on the phone he's now changed his number. What a wuss!!! Theyve got his address so changing his phone number aint gonna stop them dropping a writ on him by post. Unless he's done a runner or maybe he couldnt afford the phone bill.

Gotta get back to the studio now but as Uve been checking me out I guess Uve got my contact info. Drop me a line and we'll have a private chat bout all this.

Take care of yrself.

KK

[Sarama]

Davron!

You just know how passionate I am about Ricky! and you went and started a forum on him with out me?!

No invitation... no phone call... text? private message?

Rick Ross, the Cult Education Cult leader himself, where he refers to "brainwashing" as "reprogramming", eerily using similar if not the exact same methods and ideologies only the best of the best of the best Cult Leaders utilise!

Be sure to visit some of the other threads, there are plenty to choose from as he has been doing this for some time now. The CH cult followers nearly pale by comparison really, though it must be said the mob on that particular forum really know how to throw a great witch burning bash and "bon" fire!

[Sarama]

Hi Ho, Dav! I think you have a case of mistaken identity. What did the Seven Dwarfs ever do to you?

http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/...snow/snow.html

Dopey: the youngest, sweetest, and silliest of the seven, and the only one to be completely bald and beardless; wears a too large lime green tunic and purple cap.
Grumpy: the grouchiest and most curmudgeonly of the group, though even he is supremely devoted to the beautiful Snow White; wears a red tunic, long white hair and beard.
Doc: the only one of the dwarfs to wear glasses (so presumably the most intellectual); wears an orange-brown tunic, long white hair and beard.
Happy: the most rotund of the dwarfs; wears a brownish two-tone tunic, yellow cap, long white hair and beard.
Bashful: evokes his bashful nature through a classic pose of shyness (hands clasped behind back, shoulders slightly raised, eyes upturned); sometimes difficult to distinguish between Sneezy and Sleepy; depicted in purple tunic and magenta cap (on video), as well as long white hair and beard.
Sneezy: frequently shown with one finger underneath his nose, as if trying to stifle a sneeze; sometimes difficult to distinguish between Sleepy and Bashful; wears a yellow-brown tunic, long white hair and beard.
Sleepy: perhaps the most difficult to differentiate between Sleepy and Bashful, though he wears a perpetually sleepy looking, heavily lidded expression on his face; wears a brownish tunic, green cap, long white hair and beard.

These are the bad boys Ricky was referring to, and he would know after all! He serves bull (distant relative of the billy goat) up for breakfast.
http://www.coedu.usf.edu/culture/Sto...rway_Troll.htm

" All trolls have big ears and long noses, and bushy tails. Trolls are night creatures. They do not like the sunlight. They can live much longer than humans. Another super-human feat is that they can make themselves invisible."

[davron]

Apprentice,

I have heard that ‘yawn’ for real. Young men who have blown things and people up, that have taken the lives of their own people, yes mad men with guns and bombs will shoot anybody who disagrees with them. They sit there and when you ask why they say ‘yawn’, it is the sign of a person with no or lack of thought of consequence or no attachment to reality. It is usually the product of indoctrination and ‘cult’ thought. Cult thought as we are the one true holders of truth and all else has no consequence and is lies.

So, as for the truth that you have never failed to confront, are you a abuser of women as part of your cult membership? Were you indoctrinated into abuse as part of your cult membership? Were you abused by the cult leader and encouraged into a sexual arrangement with him as part of your cult membership? In your heart is this all because your cult leader has abandoned you and you are no longer a ‘special’ person?


Finally on a deeply personal note Apprentice/Dorje that was so rude to a lady! If you lived here I would give you a pistol and a head start in the desert, I would take a knife.

If you don’t understand ask Kris he knows.

Davron

[davron]

Sarama,

sorry I just got very angry, there is a lot of talk about trolls, Apprentice is one I am sure. As for getting trolls wrong I was listening to a childrens story on the radio and they mentioned both. I think I ment Troll but got snow white and her cult followers instead. Snow White because it frightened the hell out of me as a child! End sequence with the witch lady on the hill .

I am now trying to be coll

Yo Kris! Well not green all the time but started as T'zanhanim. Went green later. What about you and what is the low down?
Brick?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Yo Kris! Well not green all the time but started as T'zanhanim. Went green later. What about you and what is the low down?
Brick?

Davron

Brick

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment

Keep outta the sun.

KK

[Sarama]

Sarama, I think I ment Troll but got snow white and her cult followers instead. Snow White because it frightened the hell out of me as a child! End sequence with the witch lady on the hill .
Davron

Snow White and her cult of merry men? You know, I just never even thought of it in those terms, but you're right!

Now if only Ricky would let us enter Ms. White as a topic.
I'm afraid his own frequent decree of..

"The best antidote to free speech is more free speech."

...is a mere attempt to reprogramme his followers into believing he actually believes in "FREE speech".

However one only needs to wade 2 or 3 pages in to any one of his heavily "moderated" threads, and hundreds of threats and/or bans later to realise his eloquent online speech's should be read more like the following;

"The best antidote to any free speech that is not aligned with my own agenda is more banning."

rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 2905
Re: Christopher Hansard
Chris_Farmer:

Not all of your posts were approved as many were redundant and some were off topic.

- "The best antidote to redundant free speech is more redundant free speech."

No posts will be removed per your request.

The best antidote to free speech is more free speech.

You have responded to the posts about you, which is your right.

Moderators are not watching and approving posts 24-hours a day, seven days a week.

People sleep, there are different time zones and weekends.

- different time zones is too right!

Your posts will be approved if they are within the rules of the board and not needlessly redundant.

- MY rules

There have been very serious complaints posted about Hansard and it seems to fair to say that he is a controversial with growing suspicion about his background, training and credentials.

If only Ricky actually believed his own lies. He's a dictator and cult leader and has no intention of letting people speak freely.
He just banned the only 3 posters that seemed to bring sensible solutions of conversation to the table, but seemingly because they were not prematurely lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks, he banned them. Oddly enough all 3 seemed adjacent to the belief that their subject was controversial, but because their postings were not fervent bordering on fanatical, they were banned!

As an example, and I'm sorry I keep coming back to it, but the same subject matter has been entered into many (I really do not care to count) forums, chat-rooms, blogs etc, and not a single 1 has reached the absolute height of hysteria that RR has, in fact many others would have slipped off Google radar a long long time ago and forced those such as apprentice to quit scratching and start acting. As apprentice so kindly offered this particular thread is still going. To say it is going "strong" might be a somewhat well... strong word, but it's still going.

However here we have 14 pages of relatively civil conversation compared to what is now 111 pages of absolute madness. What is worse is this is the sort of thing that Ricky promotes. Like all good Americans he knows the more sensational the better, and it brings up his rankings.

His many psychologists bask in it because it must be said, it's great for business! And his journalists encourage it because it sells papers, and moves their stories up from the back of the ads pages to page 2 with a larger more fear-mongering bolded headline.

[davron]

Sarama,

I had assumed that Rick Ross was backed by a group of psychologists. But it looks like he is greatly disliked by the individuals in the field of dealing with cults. He was the man who was called in by the FBI to deal with the Branch Davidians, possibly one of their greatest errors and tactical mistakes. You could say his lack of ability led to the final tragedy. It would appear that all of this he supposedly does with cults he has invented himself, I do not think he's even read Psychology for Dummies.

There is a old saying that apparently my grandmother was fond of which goes something like this 'make sure to be in with your equals if you're going to fall out with your superiors'. It would appear Rick Ross cannot even do this, I think of the lunatics being in charge of the asylum, which covers it all well. This of course applies to Geoffrey Bowe

Have a great weekend I am off to do some scuba, I am taking my nephew and now officially thinks that uncle Dav is cool as he has talked to Kris Krowe.

Davron


Kris
my e-mail is down again, you are right about your criticism of Bill Gates though I think your methods of rectifying a bit slightly more violent than mine! I was not sure about your last message do you want the ISP, do you have ISP or would you like me to get the ISP?

Also I find a piece on the Internet from my nephew about that famous route 25 party. If you are going to do one again to let me know!


Davron

[davron]

This was taken from Rick Ross Forum, it is about how not to be a cult.

Mr Bowe and Mr Ross had best read this fast. When you think of both of them it is so funny is an open criticism of who and what they are.




Okay. So on to my positive agenda.

Not every organization that critics label a cult started out to abuse its members. But without forethought, any organization can become cultic. Look at the problems the Catholic Church faces.

So here are a few tips for cult leaders. Maybe, just maybe, they can dodge the cult label.

Be Transparent
* discuss policies, procedures & scandals openly
* publicize open complaint procedures
* report public scandals promptly to members, law officials & public media
* allow free information flow & fully disclose "secrets," especially those that might affect potential members' choice to join
* fully disclose the group's political & legislative involvement
* fully disclose finances, particularly international finances, with third-party audits
* create a member-driven task force to set reasonable fees for retreats & "courses"
* dialogue openly with laity, the press & the public

Be Accountable
* publish -- and adhere to -- a set of ethics
* publish -- and adhere to -- all fees & donation policies
* oversee clergy & other agents with governing boards
* if any group agent acts unethically or illegally, take full responsibility

Advocate Freedom
* allow open questioning of the leader's beliefs & practices
* Create a mechanism for modifying beliefs & practices
* create an elective or accountable structure of representation (as in most churches)
* promote freedom of speech within the group, without reprisals for contrary opinions
* promote academic freedom for clergy & scholars
* allow access to files/records held on members & public individuals
* advocate freedom to explore our spirituality without shunning or other repercussions
* avoid use of shame or guilt to control members

Provide Member Protections
* institute safeguards against members devoting damaging amounts of time, money & emotional resources to the group

Value Respect for Non-Members
* foster a systemic respect for other spiritual traditions & non-members
* foster a systemic respect for the rule of law, rather than the belief the ends justify the means
* foster a systemic respect for members' families, whether they are members or not
* foster a systemic practice of charity & support to the less fortunate
* encourage members to live or socialize with non-group members

Provide Informed Consent
* fully disclose negative side-effects of group's mind-altering or medical techniques
* undertake real efforts to address & heal side-effects
* accept financial responsibility for members suffering side-effects

Imagine a cult that acted with this kind of integrity.

That's a spiritual organization I could be proud of.

And I'm not willing to accept anything less.

I'm sure readers will think of more bottom-line policies for successful non-cults. Please feel free to suggest them in comments below or by emailing or private messaging me.

John M. Knapp, LMSW
Therapist. Counselor. Coach.

Mr Bowe and Mr Ross are you reading this? So many documented truths you have never answered.

Any suggestions for more list additions?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Hi Dav

Good to hear from you during the week that all was well after Weds.

Thanx also for the info re the other blog last weekend. It sent CF ballistic but I calmed him down during the week and hes cool now.

Tibetan Way have brought in a new team member just to focus on Bowe so CFs free to work on his charity stuff rather than having to worry about Bowe and all his garbage.

Speaking of Bowe have you checked out the RR forum recently? No ones posted there for 12 days so the last post by Bowe is pretty accurate. Hes commenting on the Mods banning spree and says

"Dear Moderator, one down... a handful of trolls to go."

Theres only him and the Mod left so I guess he must be admitting that they are the last trolls. Maybe theyve banned themselves so no more postings.

I see the newbie at TW has been busy.

Theyve updated the rebuttal page at http://www.tibetanway.co.uk/rebuttal.html and it looks like Bowes been telling porkies about the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Medicine. Bowe has got to be a complete idiot if he thought he was going to get away with that.

Theyve also put up some blogs of their own re Bowe. They are at

http://tibetanway.blogspot.com/

http://jeff-bowe.blogspot.com/

http://jeffreybowe.blogspot.com/

Makes interesting reading. Bowe must be some kind of raving loony. If they put up all the stuff they showed me then the guys gonna have no cred left at all. I guess thats what happens when you make up stories and attack complete strangers.

Just popping over to the other thread to let Sarama know her predictions of Karma are coming true.

Be cool

KK

[Sarama]

Hi ya KK and Dav!

Don't worry about going to find me in another thread, we skeptics tend to "get around" if you know what I mean?

Love your list above Davron. I hope RR and JB read it as well.

I will try to make it out more to give my support. RR is just a troll who has started his own online forum nothing more. Easily done. Look at how many websites JB has started alone!