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    Prince Charles - I'm an interfering busybody.

    See: Mail on Sunday article

    Prince Charles is also lobbying and scheming to get unproven alternative remedies intergrated with the NHS.

    I find it unacceptable that one man, in an unelected position, has the power to influence government policy. They may have resisted him in this case, but who knows which strings he's pulling?

    It's not just the fact that he's into so much that's Woo; one person who can offer gongs (honours) to those who sympathise with his views and causes has the potential to cause a lot of damage.

    To quote a not so wise man:

    "What is wrong with everyone nowadays? What is it that makes everyone seem to think they are qualified to do things far beyond their capabilities?" - HRH The Prince of Wales
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    I can only say that it's a good job that the monarchy no longer rule us.

    The divine right of kings and all that. Imagine the havoc if Charles was in power!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Jackson
    To quote a not so wise man:

    "What is wrong with everyone nowadays? What is it that makes everyone seem to think they are qualified to do things far beyond their capabilities?" - HRH The Prince of Wales
    I had that in my sig over at JREF for a while. The man clearly doesn't know the meaning of the word irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony
    I can only say that it's a good job that the monarchy no longer rule us.

    The divine right of kings and all that. Imagine the havoc if Charles was in power!
    Personally I can't wait till Charles is in power - I've a strong feeling he'll do no favours either to the monarchy, or the CAM brigade. The poor chap just isn't particularly liked or likeable, and so his propensity for shooting his mouth off about his pet subjects may well bring about more harm than good.

    This bulging-eyed optimism doesn't take into account sycophancy and/or the common British confusion over what exactly consitutes patriotism, however ???

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    I thought the royal family were all shape-shifting reptiles anyway??

    Look closely enough and you will see the complete absence of evidence - so it must be true!!!! :D

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    Does Prince Charles cast a shadow - and if so does it have horns??? These are the questions that demand an answer.....

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    To resurrect this topic, Charlie's horny shadow was cast over "complementary medicine in the NHS" yesterday. His ill-informed comments make the headlines just because of who he is. Grrrr >:(

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    "charlie's horny shadow" it could catch on......

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    Don't be too hard on the chap. Genetics can be so cruel

    Hundreds of years of inbreeding can have profound effects

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    Re: Prince Charles - I'm an interfering busybody.

    Quote Originally Posted by median

    Hundreds of years of inbreeding can have profound effects
    Fortunately, those effects can be controlled with homeopathy.
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    He’s been at it again today:

    Prince in warning on nature's power


    The Prince of Wales has warned that dismissing the healing power of nature would be "sheer folly".

    He called for a greater recognition of the benefits of combining conventional and complementary treatment during a speech at an awards ceremony to recognise pioneering health projects.

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    …he said: "What on earth is the point of throwing away our lifeline; of abandoning priceless knowledge and wisdom accumulated over thousands of years relating to the treatment of the human condition by natural means?

    "It is sheer folly, it seems to me, to forget that we are part of nature and to imagine we can survive on this earth as if we are merely a mechanical process divorced from and in opposition to the unity of the world around us."

    He added: "That is why for the last 25 years, I have been determined to encourage the establishment of a truly integrated approach to healthcare in the UK.

    "A system where the most valuable strengths of science and technology and all that they offer, can be aligned with the best that can be identified and deployed through complementary measures and time tested traditional therapies."

    http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jU-9ROMSdIauIlp792tfYHjVG6fQ

    Note that those traditional therapies get his seal of approval because they’re time tested.

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    The thing is, modern medicine is eclectic and would assimilate any form of treatment or therapy that can be shown to work.

    There must be several orders of magnitude more knowledge in 21st century medicine than has been accumulated in all the combined alternative medicine systems throughout history.

    Apart from not working, alternative medicine never advances. When was the last great medical breakthrough from a homeopath or an acupunturist?

    Charles's 'best of both worlds' argument is a non-starter. These alternative practises simply add nothing to what we already have - and because they don't advance, they never will.
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    The Prince of Wales has warned that dismissing the healing power of nature would be "sheer folly".
    Is this the same 'nature' that evolved the human body's ability to self-heal? Because he might be right there...

    Oh wait....

    …he said: "What on earth is the point of throwing away our lifeline; of abandoning priceless knowledge and wisdom accumulated over thousands of years relating to the treatment of the human condition by natural means?
    Because thousands of years ago, people lived to the grand old age of....30 maybe?

    "It is sheer folly, it seems to me, to forget that we are part of nature and to imagine we can survive on this earth as if we are merely a mechanical process divorced from and in opposition to the unity of the world around us."

    He added: "That is why for the last 25 years, I have been determined to encourage the establishment of a truly integrated approach to healthcare in the UK.
    Sounds a bit like a logical fallacy to me. The second paragraph in no way logically follows the first. Who are the people suggesting we are 'mechanical' anyway? I would have said biological

    "A system where the most valuable strengths of science and technology and all that they offer, can be aligned with the best that can be identified and deployed through complementary measures and time tested traditional therapies."
    Fair enough if you are going to suggest a criteria other than 'time tested' which is completely meaningless.

    How do the royals gain this ability to speak with such vagueness?

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    The entire speech is now available online and it includes this gem:


    Ladies and Gentlemen, believe it or not I have been advocating the development of a truly integrated health system – one rooted in appropriate regulation and supported by rigorous scientific evidence – for the best part of twenty five years.

    More…
    http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speechesandarticles/

    He's also pushing the development of "a coherent module of integrated health as part of basic medical training" which he hopes, in time, will be be in place in all the U.K.’s medical schools.

    Isn't it in place already? Here's Ernst on "integrative health":

    Creating a new type of medicine that stands for incorporation of unproven practices into medical routine would, however, be a violation of our duty to be responsible advisors to patients. Responsible advice has to be based on evidence, not on ideology. Decision-makers rightly insist on data, not anecdote.

    In conclusion, the term integrative medicine is superfluous since it stands either for wholeperson medicine (a concept already a part of primary care) or for the promotion of integrating well-documented CAM modalities (already being done with evidence-based medicine).

    The danger of integrative medicine lies in creating a smokescreen behind which dubious practices are pushed into routine healthcare. I believe this would be a serious disservice to all involved—not least, to our patients.

    Second thoughts on integrative medicine
    Edzard Ernst, MD, PhD, FRCP, FRCPEd

    http://www.jfponline.com/pdf%2F5402%...icineForum.pdf

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    It's good to see that Ernst et al seem intent on keeping the pressure on HRH. This published by The Times today:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle3760857.ece



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