Reply With Quoteah, it seems that the letters are displayed correctly.
then I wonder if Sally-likes can tell me what my Grangrangranfather Ūsiņš was like
I am sorry if this issue has been brought up many times and has become stupid.
What about readings on people who don't understand (in this case) English?
Well, I am not from the UK. I am a translator, doing my best to spoil the English language day and night :)
Just playing with the idea of going to some of these shows and hoping to hear the lovely Sally mention my Grangranmother's name Zeltīte (pronounced Zahlteete) [ah, the weird looking 5th letter (if it will be displayed correctly) represents the 'ee'sound].
On the other hand, the UK is full of people from various countries (with non-'pronouncable' names, like Polish or the likes). Don't they ever go to see Sally? Or are their (relative's) ghosts unable to convey their gibberish to Sally-likes?
To cut it short... Do ghosts have a Ghost-Esperanto, or not?
ah, it seems that the letters are displayed correctly.
then I wonder if Sally-likes can tell me what my Grangrangranfather Ūsiņš was like
Non English/foreign nationals are pretty much guaranteed to be a minority in any given audience. The psychic performer will tend to pick common British/English names to get a hit then work it from there. Have a look at the Gary Mannion threads and you will find that despite the fact he is channelling/communing with the biblical Abraham said mythical character speaks in English and is white Caucasian. Go figure?Originally Posted by kayle
I am sorry if this issue has been brought up many times and has become stupid.
What about readings on people who don't understand (in this case) English?
Well, I am not from the UK. I am a translator, doing my best to spoil the English language day and night :)
Just playing with the idea of going to some of these shows and hoping to hear the lovely Sally mention my Grangranmother's name Zeltīte (pronounced Zahlteete) [ah, the weird looking 5th letter (if it will be displayed correctly) represents the 'ee'sound].
On the other hand, the UK is full of people from various countries (with non-'pronouncable' names, like Polish or the likes
To cut it short... Do ghosts have a Ghost-Esperanto, or not?
skb
I'm back again.
Firstly, forgot to say hi, and welcome to UKS.
Secondly, well lets see where we can go with this.
I'm not aware of Sally ever conducting readings in a foreign language. I would be pretty impressed if she could pull this off. However, that said:
If we imagine the scenario where someone such as yourself goes for a reading and Sally 'communes' with a past over relative who didn't speak a word of English and yet somehow passes on a message to Sally despite her inability to understanding a word of said relatives mother language..well...I can, with 100% accuracy, predict good old Sal's response:
Psychic powers surpass mere mundane linguistic barriers (or smething to that effect, probably involving the word quantum somewhere).
Don't knock yourself. Your grammar and spelling is pretty much on the mark.(certainly better than mine).
That is one thing you can pretty much guarantee she will not do. Cold reading 101 dictates that she will pick common English/British names and hope for hit. Given a big enough, or gullible enough, audience she will get a hit.Just playing with the idea of going to some of these shows and hoping to hear the lovely Sally mention my Grangranmother's name Zeltīte (pronounced Zahlteete) [ah, the weird looking 5th letter (if it will be displayed correctly) represents the 'ee'sound].
On the other hand, the UK is full of people from various countries (with non-'pronouncable' names, like Polish or the likes
To cut it short... Do ghosts have a Ghost-Esperanto, or not?
If you were to go to one of her shows and be 'lucky' enough for a reading then push for the names of some relatives. I would pay t see her squirm her way through that.
As for spirit Esperanto (love the turn of words by the way
skb
ETA: Just in case, some background reading.
http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Cold_Reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_reading
Thanks for the welcome.:)
I was rather trying to figure out what the sally-likes do in situations where there are people of other origin, speaking other languages. And if there are good examples how it does (or rather does not) work.
I am not interested in what gibberish she would deliver to me. I just got curios how she would come out of the situation.
But yes. Most likely she would claim that my Grandgrandmother's name [Zahlteete] has some resemblance to, say, Sally :) And than go on with the usual stuff. As most likely I would remain 'close' to her cold reading, she would probably tell me that 'my' spirits have not come with me but have stayed in my country to guard my home, for example. And then probably try to convey some horoscope like message received from some helpful local spirit.:)
To clear where I stand, I am a skeptic. :)
I have been reading ukskeptics for some time, and decided to register.
I have the possibility to watch the Russian answer to Psychic Challenge. It is called The Battle of Psychics. If I am not mistaken , only one set of it was done in the UK. In Russia, they are airing Season(or set) 9. Yes, it means nine times 10-12 contestants... And hundreds coming to the qualification round.
The fact that they are doing it by a script is so appallingly obvious... The same pattern every season/set: There are always two or three 'psychics' who are there to be laughed at, clearly. And then, approximately in the 4th or 5th episode, the producers will have pointed out 3 or 4 obviously outstanding 'psychics'. I have so far never failed to tell who would make it to the final :). Among these three finalists there is always a person who had just come to the qualification, for example, to accompany someone else, or just had passed by incidentally :D And then it turns out that he/she is a hidden treasure.
Miraculously, these three or four favorites become better and better as the contest goes on ( seems like they need some warming up like athletes do).
Well, one could say it's a show. Just enjoy it. But the truth is bitter. These winners become tremendously popular. Russia, with an audience of over 200 million (Russia and Russian-speaking former USSR republics), is a huge market, mind you. These super and real psychics who have 'won' the Battle of Psychics charge amounts like thousands of pounds. People take loans to pay for visits to them, just to realise they have achieved nothing. Ah, but the loan has to be repaid...
Ah yes, the producers of The Battle of Psychics announced (at least in the early sets, I think they are not doing it anymore) that the winners would take part in Rand's challenge. From what I've found on randi.org, only one of the winners, a woman who claims to be able to find people (in car boots, boxes) has applied. They have agreed that she would find a person in a classroom from among many classrooms, she herself being in the hallway.
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That's not Abraham, it's clearly Alec Guiness playing a practical joke on Gary. I'd recognise the voice anywhere.
And if that's the case, now that Gary has taken Obi Wan to a Mind Body Spirit Festival we can get an opinion on how it compares to Mos Eisley spaceport in the "Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy" stakes
I vaguely remember an incident in which Sylvia Browne supplied information to a German member of the audience during the taping of an American TV show and blamed his lack of response on the fact that he didn't speak fluent English. Does anyone else remember this?
And no, I don't think any British medium would risk giving a reading to anyone other than a white Briton.
So the conclusion might be that the channels the spirits have access to are language, culture, origin and even community restricted. Just like local TV channels. And no subtitles :)
That Russian Psychic Challenge has turned this language barrier in an advantage. It is however the other way round: some of the psychics are usually not of Russian origin (they have had psychics from Korea, Syria and other exotic locations). So they speak bad Russian, which gives them (and the producers!) even more room for foggy interpretations. These psychics often are (or pretend) to be struggling to find the right word, usually uttering some noises and making hand movements. And then the background voice comes in, saying 'see, the psychic just clearly showed a stabbing movement!!! (or whatever else is needed for the story).
There is a form of special pleading used by psychics as to why the spirits always speak the same language as them. I'm sure I've posted a version of it elsewhere on here at some point. It's laughable except people believe it!
sally morgan and harry hill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-HbhY7qBJE
[QUOTE=nixster;84020]there's one born every minute and these psychics know that
I have to say that Sally Morgan has me foxed. nine out of ten times she is amazingly accurate. On watiching closely she doesn't declare that the deceased is with her on stage until the audience member has confirmed that old granny so and so had passed to spirit. I would like to meet her so as to read her aura and read her.
Last edited by openminded; 6th May 2010 at 06:46 PM. Reason: capitalised when not necessary.
you could give her a call on her premium rate telephone line.
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