Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[davron]

Matt,

I do take your point. It is my experiance that the natural medicine people I have met loathe 'tv idol guru health doctors'. We have a few out here. My chiropractor and her pal the naturopath think they stink. They moan when we have a beer about over simplification, sweeping statements, generalisation and 'toxic colons' giver her a fit of the giggles etc, etc.

Oh yes before anyone say chiropractic is unregulated etc, etc. I had physical therapy for 7 years after being blown off of the road in a jeep. The chiro fixed it in two sessions. This I hold to be true because I nolonger needed routine pain killers and i could move the shoulder. This corner I will vouch for.

Davron

[Matt]

Oh yes before anyone say chiropractic is unregulated etc, etc. I had physical therapy for 7 years after being blown off of the road in a jeep. The chiro fixed it in two sessions. This I hold to be true because I nolonger needed routine pain killers and i could move the shoulder. This corner I will vouch for.

Davron

Indeed just because Chiropractic is unregulated doesn't mean that all chiropractic practioners are loonies. It just means that loonies are allowed to call themsleve chiropractor making it very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. If you have acutllay have a problem with your spinal alignment a chiropractor may be able to help. The problems come when loony chiropractors start telling people that something like an inner ear infection is caused by subfluxions in the spine requiring expensive repeat treatments potentially preventing necessary medical treatment.

[bindeweede]

P.S.

My apologies to whoever it was I accused of being dimwitted in their response.

Health Canada is so irritating sometimes. For several years they used to raid health food stores for melatonin supplements. They barge into your business and start searching the premises, no warrants, nothing, and threaten to close you down if you don't comply.

Then they decide it is OK. And so on with all kinds of products used as alternatives to various pharmaceuticals.

Their "side effect reports" are often just urban myths and the stories of nutters who overdose on supplements or have serious ailments that need monitoring by a relevent professionals.

It was me. No problem. I found this article yesterday. I accept it is still 3 years out of date, but it explains why Health Canada take their position.

http://www.bridgeross.com/MDCanadaMagazine.htm

In particular,

In its advisory, Health Canada said Truehope has failed to provide proof its products are safe and effective. "There are other potential risks associated with Empowerplus," department documents say.
"For example, a 'full loading dose' of 32 capsules (i.e., the dose documented by those who have studied the recommended use of the product) provides amounts of vitamins A, D and folic acid that exceed the maximum limit permitted for non-prescription use. Such high doses could cause adverse effects associated with hypervitaminosis when ingested over an extended period of time." Government documents point out the extended use of germanium, one of the components of the pills, is linked to renal failure and 31 reported deaths.Also, says Health Canada, "Empowerplus contains dl-phenylalanine (DLPA), which is a mixture of the essential amino acid L-phenylalanine and its mirror image D-phenylalanine. DLPA (or the D- or L-form alone) has been used to treat depression. This compound can affect mood and the nervous system. Therefore, DLPA should be taken only under medical supervision. Individuals taking prescription or over-the-counter medications should consult a physician before taking DLPA."

I'd be very interested to find out what the current situation is.

[mahakala]

There was a full page story in the Calgary Herald (should be archived on-line if you're interested) about it a couple of weeks ago. The daughter of the inventer has just finished a book about her experience. And the University of Calgary Medical Centre has shown interest in studying the concotion and the treatment of bi-polar with it. They do quite a bit of that now since there is a general manadate in the health care system that anything that might lower costs and improve patient outcomes needs to be considered.

[apprentice]

Thanks guys, that was fascinating. Meanwhile, on the subject of Christopher Hansard better look here:

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,25113,page=1

[Sarama]

I’m sorry, but are we actually being directed and even linked to RR Cult “Education” - I use the word loosely in this particular context
where any self-respecting skeptic can extract such gems as below;

Quoted from RR-November 19, 2007 12:29AM

Stanley Rosenman - psychoanalyst
A destructive mode of projective identification is delineated: a predator's catastrophic attack calculated to cause the victim a stress disorder marked by a disarrayed identity. This discomposure enables the perpetrator to aggrandize a manifold inroad upon the victim's identity to imprint, intrude, mingle and/or lodge his representation into it; to ravage, steal from, impoverish, and/or corrupt it; finally to have his representation emerge as an internal regulator of the traumatized prey's functioning. The victim's debased integrity is manifest in the symptoms of his ensuing posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD)."

PTSD – it’s the latest and greatest buzz amongst psychoanalysts.
Everyone’s catching this bug! Seriously, YOU could be next!

Quoted from RR-November 19, 2007 12:29AM continued from same article

Lorin Roche - "counselor"
Finally, Lorin Roche, a counselor who has a collection of articles that can be read for FREE, wrote this:

"The blood-sucking nature of vampires is not their most dangerous trait. When feeding, they mostly want to steal your extra vitality and your money. Secondarily they want to wield power over you. You can recover from being drained, and make more money.

The truly dangerous aspect of "predators who use fangs" is their venom – it's what they inject into you.

Venom is of several types: to paralyze, as in a neurotoxin, so that you are immobilized; to predigest you, so they can devour you, and toxic waste.

'People who are oriented to feeding off others also shit into them. Gurus and spiritual leaders and others in the position of teacher build up toxic shame and guilt, which they have to get rid of by excreting into their followers or students.

'They select people to take a dump on, and they make this process look like "busting the person's ego," or "teaching them a lesson." At worst, it can take up to a year to recover from being drained, if the vampire drinks deeply. You can recover, and the worst thing is all the time you wasted.

'But if you are one of the people the vampire/guru/teacher has selected to excrete her waste products into, it can be a seven-to-ten year process to recover. For the past 30 years, I have worked with a lot of meditators who are "leaving their guru," or have just left an ashram.

'The people who have gotten dumped on have a much harder road to recovery than the people who were just drained of vitality and money. -end of quote

This sort of insanity inducing "education" is given completely FREE!
Limited one-time offer!
Restrictions may apply (make sure to read the fine print folks).
Warning: May Contain Nuts!!!

[apprentice]

You seem to be missing the point Sarama. The Rick Ross forum is not the issue here - it is merely a tool for people who have been conned by Christopher Hansard to come together and share their experience.

Perhaps you would like to comment on Christopher Hansard who is actually the subject of this thread. If you have no knowledge of him why not check out his claims at:

http://web.archive.org/web/200702050...ne.com/bio.htm

[Sarama]

Point taken.
On your recommendation I did some reading and either the guy’s an utter nutter as was the close company he kept or whomever wrote up his biography should take up a more lucritive vocation, such as writing children’s books (3 and under). Thus the reason he and said company have been subjected to being the focus of a cult education forum and why the company that supported him apparently somewhat venomously are now taking painstaking measures to distance themselves and deny any involvement with him?

If you’re asking me to buy into the one-man cult scenario, forget it. I have seen this type of thing shake down before, always in the same way, and it always comes down to one poor sad sod taking all the blame.

As a reader, let me explain why I remain incredulous.

Firstly, out of hundreds of Health, Medical, Complimentary and Alternative Medicine, History sources, sites and forums, the journalist who initiated the discussion chose to introduce his/her subject and begin his/her pursuit of such ‘serious research’ in an on-line cult education forum. True to journalistic form and formula, their choice of introduction already asserts to their readership that this guy’s a cult leader or in his/her own words, “a naughty boy”. In their very first posting he/she presents a deliberate slant on the story. Ah, the power of suggestion... not to mention the power of the press, and more specifically another fine example of trial by media. There goes any chance of anyone having what one would deem a fair and just trial. From what I understand it has not even come to that, or any charges for that matter, as stated by said journalist. Therefore as a reader I am not inclined to make any such judgment, not on yours or his/her recommendation at any rate. Nor will I be convinced to do so by what is so obviously a concerted effort by those clearly driven by some sort of personal vendetta and revenge. When and if charges are laid be rest assured that everyone will be called to take the stand one way or another, most especially those who have resorted to announcing their threats and intentions in such a public manner. I have to ask myself (after having sifted through some 90 pages and various websites) why they should feel the need to rail and rant in this way since the forum’s beginnings nearly 2 years ago. Why not go directly to the police? What exactly is the purpose of starting multiple forums, using multiple personalities, and starting petitions? What are the motives behind making such announcements besides the frequent mentions of slander and harassment?
http://www.uta.fi/ethicnet/uk.html

Secondly, with the exception of one or two somewhat rational (if you want to call them that) sounding avowals, some very serious accusations are proffered from behind a candy store of personalities. All except one, that being the quote: speculative comments-end quote and inquiries made by Mr. Bowes. That fact alone earns him my vote. All other descriptions of alleged activities are made from behind pseudonyms. For obvious reasons I do not have an issue with that, however given the context of such accusations, they should

1. be made directly to the police. In accordance with UK Law the police are obliged to investigate all such allegations. At the very least that means a formal interview with said man more than likely down at the station. It only takes 1 statement, and yet it is claimed there are several supposed files and statements on record. The claimant is then kept informed of all progress up until the point of said man being formally charged. http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/law.html
For those that are unfamiliar with the procedure, an officer takes your statement down during an interview. Following your statement, which can often appear like an overly casual conversation, or simple chit-chat, (this is intentional to ensure you are as relaxed as possible while making your statement after what may have been quite an ordeal) you are asked directly if you would like to press charges. Submitting a statement is a different thing entirely to pressing charges. Once you begin that process it is for all intents and purposes out of your hands and in the capable hands of the law.

2. be made to a qualified medical doctor who could possibly make a referral to a proper therapist as opposed to the witch doctors, shamans, and all sorts being endorsed on the forum. Such allegations made in the manner they have been, bring them and again their authors into question for me. That and there seems to be an equal amount of advertising and shameless self-promotion by the posters themselves in amongst the accusations which only adds to the confusion and cynicism of the readers.
It would appear that those in the alternative, new-age, spiritual healing realms are just as competitive, catty and unenlightened as the rest of us.

On a less skeptical more practical note, if any of the postings had been legitimate in any way, than the last thing anyone under such duress needed was to be stirred into a further hysterical and frenzied state and what I read in the recommended reading was just that. A sort of lunacy that was not only propagated, but encouraged by the other posters and moderators in the forum resulting in at least 70 pages of unintelligible, incomprehensible garble not unlike the earlier example I extracted from RR. Such complete and utter nonsense would undoubtedly discourage any legitimate testimony and indeed would make a mockery out of the stories of any real victims. But again I would state that any such victims would not waste their time, and energy arguing about the logistics of soul retrieval and the benefits of mayan massage... they would go to the police. Their own private shame, embarrassment and grief at having been had would drive them somewhere safe, not somewhere where they would be exposed, ridiculed, and stirred.

The irony is that many if not all the posters present themselves as compassionate, and practicing Buddhists.

I say, keep practicing.

[Sarama]

As an aside: While perusing the internet as per above recommendation I was struck by the sheer time and effort I noted was being put into initiating similarly unfavourable discussions on the very subject and attempted focus of this forum. The same quack has been initiated into various forums all over the internet. While he is enjoying quite a presence, (and public hanging) I noticed an odd absence of a poster by the name of apprentice, not only in the RR Forum but in any other forum on the subject. There could be several possible explanations for this; a) posters are signing in with an assortment of alias’s to give the false impression of masses. A definite and rather obvious no no. Please see http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html b) posters are just as put off of RR as I am and for the same reasons. Please see http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html c) the many links to RR that have been posted in this and many other locations are for advertising purposes to gain viewings, postings, and rankings. Please see http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html.

[mahakala]

Good point about the RR site and its gimmicks. I don't think most people realise that they are marketing Rick Ross when they use that site.

But on the subject of Jeff Bowe, I have to disagree. This is a guy with a clear agenda. He is trying to win points with his Tibetan buddies by outing posers and that is why he uses his real name. After all, Tibet is his business.

A read through all the postings shows that it is Bowe who refuses to fess up to any other personal agenda, or even speak to the question. Doesn't it strike you as suspicious and even a little pathological when someone creates two websites designed specifically to criticise a small fry like Hansard, without reason, other than he thinks he is a fake. That's a lot of work and thought power for.......what payoff exactly?

Nobody has come forward with a law suit or even a clear case there was any kind of sexual abuse but Bowe is still on a Hansard hunt, pretending he cares about "abuse."

I think it is obvious that Bowe and Hansard both know each other from some past enterprise and neither will admit it because both are bastards.

[Matt]

A read through all the postings shows that it is Bowe who refuses to fess up to any other personal agenda, or even speak to the question. Doesn't it strike you as suspicious and even a little pathological when someone creates two websites designed specifically to criticise a small fry like Hansard, without reason, other than he thinks he is a fake. That's a lot of work and thought power for.......what payoff exactly?

You come here of all places to doubt that people might put time and effort into exposing frauds for no other reason than to expose frauds.

Open your eyes man.

[mahakala]

My eyes are wide open. Anyone who thinks someone spends that much time on something without a personal reason, is something more than naieve.

[Matt]

My eyes are wide open. Anyone who thinks someone spends that much time on something without a personal reason, is something more than naieve.

What's my personal reason then?

[mahakala]

Of course if you want to think you are out to save the world, maybe you could look in the mirror and ask, "for whom am I saving the world."

But make sure you have both eyes wide open so you can see the answer.

[Matt]

Of course if you want to think you are out to save the world, maybe you could look in the mirror and ask, "for whom am I saving the world."

But make sure you have both eyes wide open so you can see the answer.

I see so you're accusing Jeff Bowe of havinbg the dark ulterior motive of making the world a better place, with one less fraud, so that he can selfishly live in that better world.

The cad! The bounder! I tell you! Is there no improvement he will not inflict upon society just so that he and his family may share it!