Reply With QuoteMillions believe Homeopathy is medicine rather than simply water.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation.
Gandhi
I fail to see in what way this diffirs from the Haitian Bad Spirits. Many people see these spirits, and the police actively chase away spirits at night. Misperception, anxiety, desire to please, group behaviour etc etc.Originally Posted by chaggle
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Millions believe Homeopathy is medicine rather than simply water.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation.
Gandhi
Can someone explain me these things:
http://psipog.net/media.html
http://psipog.net/cat-psychokinesis.html
http://psipog.net/art-nis-tk-training-manual.html
http://psipog.net/art-nis-tk-training-manual.html
Especially:
... all 19,192 of the old members, 3,902 newsletter participants, 2,723 forum posters, and 1,883 chatters.PsiPog.net seems to be very real because it has big community and I don't see the motivation in creating it if psychic abilities aren't real.Some of you might know that I have a TK club in my school and I am proud to say that many of my students progressed a lot since we started to have the meetings. So basically you have very good chances, too. TK can be taught and it can be learned. The only serious difficulty I think is that you mostly don't know anyone who could show you how TK is done. I personally know a girl who could do TK almost instantly after having seen it in action in one of our meetings. Later she had problems like everyone else, too, but that's not the point. The point is that sometimes people can repeat it instantly if they see it. Don't ask me why. I don't know.
Last edited by xowoot; 25th July 2010 at 02:06 PM.
I looked at this one, I can't face any more. The movement of various objects looks to me exactly like manipulation with magnets under the table. The psi wheel moves because of tiny warm air currents produced by the introduction of warm hands.
Look - why don't these people just apply to James Randi and claim their million dollar prize for a genuine performance of pk? If they get that, I'll start taking it seriously.
It's actually very easy to fake PK effects with magnets, static electricity, blowing, etc. So those pictures or videos are worthless as evidence of anything.
It would only be worthy as evidence if it was done under properly controlled conditions, i.e. where magnets etc. are ruled out.
As with all other psychic powers, the effect disappears when properly controlled tests are done.
Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true - millions of people can actually be wrong!
Also, webmasters can alter the figures on their forums so take their membership figures with a pinch of salt if they are using them as evidence of their popularity.
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I still don't understand. Of course I do understand that the whole site including the videos, members, forum, faq, articles can be faked. But I can't figure out, why. They don't promote any paid courses, paid content, they don't invite me to the teachers, the site doesn't have any ads. On the other side, the domain needs to be paid for, the hosting too. Faking THAT big site with it's over 90 free articles, over thousand faq questions, tens of thousands of forum messages, newsletters, polls, blog seems to be a very hard work. If you don't get any profit from it, why do they support the site unless you really have telekinesis?
Regarding the James Randi, many of them simply don't know about it or say that they have private life and they already proved TK for themselves and they don't need to prove it for everyone else.
Also, there are many other sites about PK (http://psipog.net/links.html). I wonder how all of them can be fake.
There are some sad people out there. Some need to feel special by kidding themselves they have powers which others do not have. Either they really delude themselves or they get satisfaction out of deluding others.
As for not knowing or caring about Randi, this is the ultimate cop-out. You have a special power which has enormous implications for science and humanity, and you don't feel any obligation to share it with anyone? And everybody with this power thinks like this? Oh pleeeese.
When you believe in something, particularly something extraordinary, you may well want to 'spread the word'. People will do this sort of thing for free - think of religions.
There is a great deal of anecdotal evidence in favour of the existence of psychic abilities. There is also some slight scientific evidence in its favour from lab experiments. However, much of the anecdotal evidence has alternative explanations that have not been eliminated. Regarding the scientific evidence, the slight overall positive effect probably comes within undertainties caused by experimental design. What is lacking is a robust, repeatable long-term effect well outside such experimental uncertainties. If psychic effects are real, they are so tiny that they can hardly be the cause of the anecdotal reports that prompted their research in the first place.
How about videos and pictures? Floating a knife or a coin with PK can't be a delusion, only geuine PK or fake. So they actually do it or lie.
Can someone answer me how hard is it to make such a big fake site like psipog.net with it's 19000 members, over 90 free articles, over thousand faq questions and answers, tens of thousands of forum messages, newsletters, polls.
Also, I still don't understand why would people lie so hard for free.
Have you ever been out of your house Xowoot?
You should try it. It is scary. People are not always honest. They often lie. Often they do so for money, sometimes for other reasons. I know, it's strange and shocking. Many of us think it's morally wrong. It does happen though.
Alot.
Really.
I don't wish to scare you unduly. It is worth the trip, just to get an idea what it's really like out there. Just be careful out there. I'm sure you will be fine.
Let us know how you get on.
This is what's known as the Argument from Incredulity fallacy. All you're actually saying is that you can't understand why such a website should exist at such a size, free of charge, therefore what they're claiming must be true.
A little more understanding of human nature is where your answer lies.
Exactly!
You can float a knife with a piece of magician's glue and a hair.
Can they actually float a knife with the power of their mind though?
Unless these feats are performed under strictly controlled test conditions, then simply treat them all as fake - as that's undoubtedly the explanation.
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There is a third alternative which I believe applies to the great majority of cases. I've personally examined hundreds of apparently paranormal photos and, in the vast majority of cases they are photographic artefacts, caused by things like objects being out of focus, long exposures, over or under-exposure, etc. I have also looked at many videos and come to the same conclusion. Only a tiny minority are faked and none that I have seen cannot be explained by natural phenomena. It comes down to the fact that most people do not really understand how photography differs significantly from eyesight.
More generally, most paranormal reports come about because people see something they don't recognise and think it is paranormal. Misperception accounts for most paranormal reports where a poorly-seen object is interpreted as something else like a ghost or UFO.
xowoot, there are MILLIONS of people who
a) have little or no interest in how the real world works
b) want to feel "special" in some way, such as having a paranormal ability or being privy to information the powers that be don't want the public to know about
The shelves of every bookshop are groaning under the weight of totally uncritical New Age claptrap. TV, magazines and newspapers are no better. Irrationality is big business. Look at David Icke's website and the Conspiracy Theories section of the JREF Forum - NOTHING is too outlandish to be taken seriously be some people.
You'd be well-advised to spend some time here:
http://www.skepdic.com/
Billions of people believe in Christianity. A comparable number believes in Islam or some other religion. By definition, both groups cannot be right - at least one must be wrong. So you have billions of people firmly believing in something which is wrong. So much for large numbers of believers proving that something must be true.
Also, consider the recent football World Cup. With millions of fans looking on and desperately wishing that the ball would go into their opponent's net, if TK is real how come the balls followed the normal rules of ballistics? Unless, of course, you believe that the psychic powers of those supporting each side always exactly cancelled each other out, which seems rather improbable given the huge variation in size of the numbers of supporters.
An unwillingness to subject themselves to scientific scrutiny, whatever the excuse, is a clear sign that either the psychics don't think they will pass the tests or they know they won't, because they're cheating.
psi is real my friend
remember the whole universe is a mirror reflecting you
and..that apperances are very deceptive,its the effect it has on you thats matter
i suggest you to take contact with a practioner becuse its best if you witness it firsthand in order to compensate the insufficent awareness you posses as of now,its not nessecary but the proccess can otherwise be enduring and painful due to the replacing of your old beliefs system in your subconsious
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