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    Why be skeptical?

    "Isn't it better to balance the spheres of Emotion and Science? Being overly scientific and skeptical harms our world, we loose the beauty of emotion and the ability to clearly see. We become closed to the true wonders of the universe" - A wise man.

    Isnt there a case for not being skeptical sometimes an unlikely idea is presented? Isn't it sometimes better to follow your SOUL?

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    That sounds like a recipe for self-delusion.

    Personally, I want to know things not just believe in them. Skepticism is the best way of separating truth from wishful thinking.

    It depends on what one wants I suppose.

    I fail to see how skepticism "harms" our world. Does understanding the physics behind the formation of a rainbow detract from its beauty?

    I think not. In fact, it only adds to it.
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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    "Isn't it better to balance the spheres of Emotion and Science?
    Could you be a little more specific about what you mean here?

    Being overly scientific and skeptical harms our world,
    How?

    we loose the beauty of emotion
    It is quite possible to appreciate beauty and maintain a sceptical viewpoint.

    ...and the ability to clearly see.
    It is by blinding yourself to reality, not by maintaining a sceptical viewpoint, that you will lose the ability to see clearly.

    We become closed to the true wonders of the universe" - A wise man.
    Can you name him? Does this "wise man" you claim to be quoting actually exist, or are you just trying to give your own opinion a spurious authority?

    Isnt there a case for not being skeptical sometimes an unlikely idea is presented?
    How would you know which new ideas had merit, and which were nonsense, without applying scepticism?

    Isn't it sometimes better to follow your SOUL?
    What has this got to do with being sceptical?

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    "Isn't it better to balance the spheres of Emotion and Science? Being overly scientific and skeptical harms our world, we loose the beauty of emotion and the ability to clearly see. We become closed to the true wonders of the universe" - A wise man.

    Isn't there a case for not being skeptical sometimes an unlikely idea is presented? Isn't it sometimes better to follow your SOUL?
    I'm interested in understanding this universe we live in. Emotions don't help me do that, only reason does.
    Emotion clouds judgement and gets in the way of objectiveness.
    Skepticism means you don't take things at face value - things that seem too good to be true usually are and you can end up being deceived, harmed or ripped off.
    I look up at the night sky and see stars, planets, galaxies, nebulae and other wonders - I know how these things are formed, how they work and how they 'die'. That does not stop me from going outside on a clear night and looking up for the sheer enjoyment and wondrousness of it.
    Does knowing how a flower grows take away from it's beauty? No. It means you can appreciate it on many more levels that just aesthetics.

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    I'm just wondering why bleevers insist on some signature 'wackiness' in their posts, wth is up with the seemingly random bolding?

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    maybe it's to highlight something important because it signifies that they're thinking things through and not being idiots

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongrel
    I'm just wondering why bleevers insist on some signature 'wackiness' in their posts, wth is up with the seemingly random bolding?
    If you look up the winner of this year's IgNobel prize for Literature, you'll find that it was awarded for research that found that "writers who use long words needlessly and choose complicated font styles are seen as less intelligent than those who stick with basic vocabulary and plain text".

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    "Isn't it better to balance the spheres of Emotion and Science? Being overly scientific and skeptical harms our world, we loose the beauty of emotion and the ability to clearly see. We become closed to the true wonders of the universe" - A wise man.

    Isn't there a case for not being skeptical sometimes an unlikely idea is presented? Isn't it sometimes better to follow your SOUL?
    Who said it was a wise man? There is no reason to assume who ever said anything quite as fluffy as that is capable of clear thought or wisdom.

    Why is being scientific seen as being uncreative or unemotional? Scientists do need to be unemotional when investigating facts - but some resultant theories, equations, math, logic, is truly beautiful at least to me. I never fail to amazed by what scientists and engineers can do.

    Has anyone seen that new hotel in Dubai thats on a tower in the sea???? Fantastic feat of engineering.

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    I think that studying the world in a scientific manner adds to the magic. There's nothing more wondrous than uncovering the mysteries of the Universe and the rules that govern it.

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    But what about all the things that are real, but cannot be explained by science?
    Can you ever truly dismiss a concept because science hasn't proved it?
    How can emotion be explained scientifically?

    and also-
    By "knowing how the trick is done" don't we sometimes ruin its magic?


    The "wise man" lived a long time ago. His only known name is "a wise man".

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    But what about all the things that are real, but cannot be explained by science?
    Examples?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Can you ever truly dismiss a concept because science hasn't proved it?
    No. But we can dismiss ones that science has proven wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    How can emotion be explained scientifically?
    Emotion, in its most general definition, is an intense neural impulse-produced mental state that arises subjectively rather than through conscious effort and evokes either a positive or negative psychological response to move an organism to action.

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    and also-
    By "knowing how the trick is done" don't we sometimes ruin its magic?
    I know how a lot of magic tricks are done - it doesn't mean I don't enjoy them anyway - I appreciate the legerdemain and the skill involved as well as the spectacle of a trick well done.

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    The "wise man" lived a long time ago. His only known name is "a wise man".
    Are you sure he even existed then, or are you just enamoured of the soundbite to the detriment of it's actual origin? It may have never been said by a "wise man" at all, just someone who wanted to push their own point of view.

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    But what about all the things that are real, but cannot be explained by science?
    What about them? You seem to be assuming the absence of an explanation is equal to a paranormal explanation or something like that. We need positive evidence to support a theory, contention or claim.

    Can you ever truly dismiss a concept because science hasn't proved it?
    No - and science does not claim to do this - so I am not sure what your point is. Science deals with probability and plausibility. Its more to do with - what explanation is the most likely based on the best available evidence? You are also making a logical error here. Have a look around the website and forum and you will see many of these discussed and explained - take a look, I think you will find it very interesting.

    If I claimed to be able to run 100m sprint in 4 seconds - but i refuse to be tested in a race - does that mean my claim is true? Does that mean I should get a medal? ???

    How can emotion be explained scientifically?
    Depends on what you want to know. We know what neurotransmitters are important and what brain areas are crucial - this knowledge came from science. I see no contribution coming from anywhere else, though I could be wrong.



    The "wise man" lived a long time ago. His only known name is "a wise man".
    Nonsense - its fluffy nonsense. Best stick to sources you know or can cite - ones that also actually say something are also useful.

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    But what about all the things that are real, but cannot be explained by science?
    Examples?
    The spirit world, life after death, spirit guides, Divine cosmic forces, The lesser Gods and angels, God himself...

    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Can you ever truly dismiss a concept because science hasn't proved it?
    No. But we can dismiss ones that science has proven wrong.
    When has science ever proved any of the above wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    How can emotion be explained scientifically?
    Emotion, in its most general definition, is an intense neural impulse-produced mental state that arises subjectively rather than through conscious effort and evokes either a positive or negative psychological response to move an organism to action.
    Prehaps, but if is is subjective how can it be objective?

    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    and also-
    By "knowing how the trick is done" don't we sometimes ruin its magic?
    I know how a lot of magic tricks are done - it doesn't mean I don't enjoy them anyway - I appreciate the legerdemain and the skill involved as well as the spectacle of a trick well done.
    But haven;t you lost the mystery of the trick in the process?

    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    The "wise man" lived a long time ago. His only known name is "a wise man".
    Are you sure he even existed then, or are you just enamoured of the soundbite to the detriment of it's actual origin? It may have never been said by a "wise man" at all, just someone who wanted to push their own point of view.
    I'm sure he existed and he was known as wise when he lived.

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    But what about all the things that are real, but cannot be explained by science?
    Examples?
    The spirit world, life after death, spirit guides, Divine cosmic forces, The lesser Gods and angels, God himself...
    and your proof that these things are real is..?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Can you ever truly dismiss a concept because science hasn't proved it?
    No. But we can dismiss ones that science has proven wrong.
    When has science ever proved any of the above wrong?
    When has it proved them right?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    How can emotion be explained scientifically?
    Emotion, in its most general definition, is an intense neural impulse-produced mental state that arises subjectively rather than through conscious effort and evokes either a positive or negative psychological response to move an organism to action.
    Prehaps, but if is is subjective how can it be objective?
    Emotion isn't objective - it's intensely personal.

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    and also-
    By "knowing how the trick is done" don't we sometimes ruin its magic?
    I know how a lot of magic tricks are done - it doesn't mean I don't enjoy them anyway - I appreciate the legerdemain and the skill involved as well as the spectacle of a trick well done.
    But haven;t you lost the mystery of the trick in the process?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    Quote Originally Posted by vbloke
    Quote Originally Posted by PsySpi
    The "wise man" lived a long time ago. His only known name is "a wise man".
    Are you sure he even existed then, or are you just enamoured of the soundbite to the detriment of it's actual origin? It may have never been said by a "wise man" at all, just someone who wanted to push their own point of view.
    I'm sure he existed and he was known as wise when he lived.
    Your proof of this is..?

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    Re: Why be skeptical?

    Not to mention underlining things on the internet when they are not links.

    OK, hands up who clicked that!

    Personally I don't have a soul.

    Oh, and see Richard Feynman for insight into seeing the beauty of the world through the eyes of science.

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