Conspiracy sites Name Gordon Brown ''Paedophile''

[Croydon Bob]

You're lovely aren't you.

Congratulations.

Lies from a sicko who fantasises about child abuse? I'm proud to be the subject of your pervert scorn.

[BillyGunfish]

Lies from a sicko who fantasises about child abuse? I'm proud to be the subject of your pervert scorn.

Lol you two should get a room. Great partnership. You know deep down in the deep recesses of those dormant organs formerly known as brains there's this little worm trying to wake you up.

Quiet now!.......Can you hear it. I know it's a long long way down there.

Rest assured it is there for even the most degenerate of souls has some redeeming truth remaining.

Maybe just maybe it can be reanimated, resurrected who knows maybe even reborn. A skeptic healed. Imagine it.

Now last word don't forget all those faceless victims of those elite paedophile rings. I hope they haunt you to the grave.

Chin chin. ;-)

[Croydon Bob]

Now last word don't forget all those faceless victims of those elite paedophile rings. I hope they haunt you to the grave.

The victims that you've never done anything to help? But that you love to write and think about? Creep.

[Admin]

You're an apologist for a bunch of disgusting child rapists.

I'm sure this conclusion is true in your certain, yet evidence-free, world.

Out of interest (as no one can really take you seriously), do you ever stop and consider what impact false accusations might have on the lives of people who are genuinely innocent of accusations but who are pursued by crackpots who make claims of certainty without a shred of tangible evidence?

How would you feel if you were publicly 'named and shamed' as a paedophile yet your accusers had no evidence whatsoever to back it up (i.e. you're innocent)?

As an accuser of others, without any good evidence, you really ought to consider that question (!)

Imagine if you were on the receiving end of your own mode of (irrational) thinking!

It might just open your eyes a little.

[BillyGunfish]

Lol you two should get a room. Great partnership. You know deep down in the deep recesses of those dormant organs formerly known as brains there's this little worm trying to wake you up.

Quiet now!.......Can you hear it. I know it's a long long way down there.

Rest assured it is there for even the most degenerate of souls has some redeeming truth remaining.

Maybe just maybe it can be reanimated, resurrected who knows maybe even reborn. A skeptic healed. Imagine it.

Now last word don't forget all those faceless victims of those elite paedophile rings. I hope they haunt you to the grave.

Chin chin. ;-)

I'm sure this conclusion is true in your certain, yet evidence-free, world.

Out of interest (as no one can really take you seriously), do you ever stop and consider what impact false accusations might have on the lives of people who are genuinely innocent of accusations but who are pursued by crackpots who make claims of certainty without a shred of tangible evidence?

How would you feel if you were publicly 'named and shamed' as a paedophile yet your accusers had no evidence whatsoever to back it up (i.e. you're innocent)?

As an accuser of others, without any good evidence, you really ought to consider that question (!)

Imagine if you were on the receiving end of your own mode of (irrational) thinking!

It might just open your eyes a little.

It must be a curious feeling to dismiss the testimony of the innocent child in favour of the denials of the black hearted guilty. Please enlighten me. What does it feel like?

[Matt]

Billy,

Are you Robert Green?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Okay I've heard enough. You're an apologist for a bunch of disgusting child rapists. If it was up to you this would lie dormant and undiscovered and would never see the light of day.

Mr angry, go pick on the pope. At least there is some direct evidence linking him to covering up child abuse.

[Croydon Bob]

Mr angry, go pick on the pope. At least there is some direct evidence linking him to covering up child abuse.

Ah, but that involves facts and reality. BillyBob would rather make up his own fantasies and whine at totally innocent complete strangers than consider evidence. Besides, the Pope is a Catholic, most of the sites that mention the alleged Greig scandal blame the Jews, so our sick pervert troll is probably also a racist.

[BillyGunfish]

Ah, but that involves facts and reality. BillyBob would rather make up his own fantasies and whine at totally innocent complete strangers than consider evidence. Besides, the Pope is a Catholic, most of the sites that mention the alleged Greig scandal blame the Jews, so our sick pervert troll is probably also a racist.

Ahh so it's now considered a thought crime to support the campaign by the Mother of a downs syndrome systematically abused by pin stripe paedophiles.

Surely there's only so much brown nosing one person can give towards a sick kiddie fiddling establishment. Don't you feel even a little bit dirty?

Love the anti semite jibe. That one don't work with me. You are aware anyway that the palestinians are semites so by definition the state of Israel is anti semitic.

Beside the point though aint it.

You're a true unreconstructed fascist aren't you Bobby boy.

[Pebble]

Ahh so it's now considered a thought crime to support the campaign by the Mother of a downs syndrome systematically abused by pin stripe paedophiles.
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At the risk of giving more oxygen to this story.

You have asserted that Ms grieg had a sexually transmitted disease at the age of 9 and that she received compensation. You should be in a position to provide evidence on both of these, since the court papers would link these two. The claim in respect of the compensation is relatively non controversial, there is or there is not evidence of this. In respect of the STD, the problem arises that if a doctor made this diagnosis, it makes little sense for the doctor to wait two years till he is informed that she is exhibiting signs of sexual knowledge before acting. This raises the question of what the 'STD' if any might have been. Perhaps a cold sore?

The Scottish authorities investigated as they should, but did not find enough evidence to prosecute. That is normal. If you claim that they have evidence but buried it, or that they did not investigate properly, then the onus is on you to provide compelling evidence of this, not simly that you don't like their conclusions.

Panorama walked away from this case having investigated it. Just because expectations of campaigners are raised by a journalist is not evidence. Clearly, if there is no body of evidence that is worth presenting in court it would be completely unacceptable to publish allegations, however intensely they are believed in by some. The British press is not noted for being shrinking violets, so if Panorma had a real case, this would have been aired - if you claim otherwise, then you need to present clear evidence on this - not just your belief.

To date what I see, is a distressed child who on the balance of probability was sexually abused, but who knows by whom. I see evidence of at least two strands of investigation that led no where useful. There after I see an industry of misery, that has decided that this is a cause celebre, who believe without evidence, and who are trying to stir up as much innuendo as possible because they are certain of the guilt of given people and of the corrupt nature of the system. Anyone who questions their position supports child abuse.

Have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong? Have you considered that innocent people may be damaged by your crusade? Have you considered the damage that your campaign may continue to inflict on Holly Grieg and her family?

[BillyGunfish]

At the risk of giving more oxygen to this story.

You have asserted that Ms grieg had a sexually transmitted disease at the age of 9 and that she received compensation. You should be in a position to provide evidence on both of these, since the court papers would link these two. The claim in respect of the compensation is relatively non controversial, there is or there is not evidence of this. In respect of the STD, the problem arises that if a doctor made this diagnosis, it makes little sense for the doctor to wait two years till he is informed that she is exhibiting signs of sexual knowledge before acting. This raises the question of what the 'STD' if any might have been. Perhaps a cold sore?

The Scottish authorities investigated as they should, but did not find enough evidence to prosecute. That is normal. If you claim that they have evidence but buried it, or that they did not investigate properly, then the onus is on you to provide compelling evidence of this, not simly that you don't like their conclusions.

Panorama walked away from this case having investigated it. Just because expectations of campaigners are raised by a journalist is not evidence. Clearly, if there is no body of evidence that is worth presenting in court it would be completely unacceptable to publish allegations, however intensely they are believed in by some. The British press is not noted for being shrinking violets, so if Panorma had a real case, this would have been aired - if you claim otherwise, then you need to present clear evidence on this - not just your belief.

To date what I see, is a distressed child who on the balance of probability was sexually abused, but who knows by whom. I see evidence of at least two strands of investigation that led no where useful. There after I see an industry of misery, that has decided that this is a cause celebre, who believe without evidence, and who are trying to stir up as much innuendo as possible because they are certain of the guilt of given people and of the corrupt nature of the system. Anyone who questions their position supports child abuse.

Have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong? Have you considered that innocent people may be damaged by your crusade? Have you considered the damage that your campaign may continue to inflict on Holly Grieg and her family?

Oh I should be in 'a position to provide' details should I. No I am simply a concerned citizen. I do not have access to coroners reports. Who does but the coroner. Your argument is nonsensical as you are well aware.

Your assertion the BBC would have investigated if there was a just cause is a fallacy. As I pointed out the Yorkshire television documentary expose of republican party kiddie fiddling in the eighties and nineties was pulled at the very last minute. I provided a copy of the said production. Therefore there is a history of production companies being leant on in cases like these.

I am not conducting a campaign. I am simply raking the michael out of skeptics and apologists for pin stripe kiddie fiddling which you quite clearly qualify as.

The scottish authorities did not investigate. Of course not one of the chief suspects is a copper. None of the alleged conspiractors apart from the Father were ever interviewed. One of the alleged perpetrators of course is the sherrif of the region and partner of the now Lord Advocate of Scotland who has through public expense launched a campaign of abuse and threats against the lead investigator and no I am not he.

It is very easy to sit in your ivory towers citing lack of evidence but when the authorities refuse to pursue an investigation, when there has been an effective D notice placed on the case in the media and when the chief suspect is such a high profile player in the Grampian legal establishment then it is beholden upon concerned citizens to publicise a case whatever the repurcussions. This case should be passed onto an independent investigative unit.

Naturally my placing the story within this domain is largely because of your deeply arrogant and ridiculously craven and brown nosing view of the establishment.

Oh and yes you are effectively demonised by association. For the media to not pursue the story I can almost understand because they would be out of a job. For some decrepit ingrates on a skeptics website to not think this smells deeply fishy is unforgivable but then that's the cesspool you swin in isn't it chump?

The story of course is a worldwide phenomenon. I am not conducting a campaign. As far as I am aware Holly Grieg's Mother wants justice for her child. It appears you do not. Think about that for a minute.

[Pebble]

Oh I should be in 'a position to provide' details should I. No I am simply a concerned citizen. I do not have access to coroners reports. Who does but the coroner. Your argument is nonsensical as you are well aware.

This shows that you are simply giving off steam with no understanding of the process. The coroner is involved in deaths, not sexual abuse. The fact that compensation was paid proves that there has been some sort of investigation, the Grieg's lawyers have access to this information.

The rest of your rant further underscores why you will fail. You show an inability to argue rationally or engage with serious questions.

[skbuncks]

BillyGunfish does realise that the CICA simply awards compensation to the innocent victims of crime? It matters not whether the perpetrator is ever brought to justice (see here).
The question of whether Holly was abused does not appear to be really in doubt. Who carried out the abuse and the lack of evidence to gain a prosecution is what is in question.

So BGF it boils down presenting some evidence for your allegations or STFU.

skb

[BillyGunfish]

BillyGunfish does realise that the CICA simply awards compensation to the innocent victims of crime? It matters not whether the perpetrator is ever brought to justice (see here).
The question of whether Holly was abused does not appear to be really in doubt. Who carried out the abuse and the lack of evidence to gain a prosecution is what is in question.

So BGF it boils down presenting some evidence for your allegations or STFU.

skb

Provide me with evidence of an investigation.

Also why did the Mother and child feel the need to leave Scotland. They did try to get her committed didn't they. Is that normal procedure when dealing with the Mother of an abused child?

P.S I know none of you care or will listen to it but for the record here is a link to the interview of the Mother and the investigator.

http://thcforum.ning.com/forum/topic...erviews-1-with

Listen to her interview and come back to me. She sounds a very lucid and intelligent lady. The interviewer is an idiot but she comes out of it very well.

The revelation about the Mother's brother's death is a classic case. He witnesses the abuse and threatens the Father. Six weeks later he's dead. The police claim he died of smoke inhalation in a burning car. Suicide. How does anyone commit suicide sitting in a burning car? The autopsy when they got hold of it reveals a broken sternum and fractured skull. The police refused to investigate it. Comment.

[Croydon Bob]

You're a true unreconstructed fascist aren't you Bobby boy.

As accurate as anything else you've said!

(actually Jewish and a socialist, but for a lying pervert like you, close enough)