Conspiracy sites Name Gordon Brown ''Paedophile''

[brianp]

Within days of Hollie naming prominent citizens among her abusers her mother, Anne, was sectioned. Anne engineered a release within a few days and shortly afterwards was pronounced perfectly sane by an independent psychiatrist.

"Engineered a release" - what does that mean? Assuming Scottish Law is similar to English, if she was detained under Section 4 of the Mental Health Act, which is by far the most common "sectioning", she would automatically be released after 72 hours. http://tinyurl.com/27ud6ro

Following the police "investigation" Anne complained to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. Below are some extracts from their report

Extracts can be misleading - where can we read the complete report?

[Don]

Brian,

I believe Scots law is broadly similar to English in this field. Anne simply "played the game" for a few days so that the hospital would have no excuse not to release her within 72 hours.
The Scottish Mental Welfare Commission have no record of her sectioning - this is highly irregular to put it mildly.

This is the full PCCS report.

http://www.pcc-scotland.org/assets/0...0055-PF-GP.pdf

[tolman]

If there's no record, (even if there is?) is it really something that should be publicly discussed unless it's of particular relevance to the main issue.

[Pebble]

This is the full PCCS report.

Hope you don't get into trouble for providing that. However, it is illuminating and shows the very considerable efforts the Grampian police and others have gone to to handle this a sensitively as possible. I for one would like to thank them for the enormous effort and attention to detail shown in their investigations. It is amazing to be able to provide detailed documentation of actions in a case like this when the microscope is turned on every little thing that happened years before.

[brianp]

Hope you don't get into trouble for providing that. However, it is illuminating and shows the very considerable efforts the Grampian police and others have gone to to handle this a sensitively as possible. I for one would like to thank them for the enormous effort and attention to detail shown in their investigations. It is amazing to be able to provide detailed documentation of actions in a case like this when the microscope is turned on every little thing that happened years before.

The report is on a public website where it is freely available to everyone, so why would anyone get into trouble for providing a link? I agree that the Grampian Police did an excellent job.

[Pebble]

The report is on a public website where it is freely available to everyone, so why would anyone get into trouble for providing a link? I agree that the Grampian Police did an excellent job.

I learn something new everyday. If this has been freely available all along, why has no one thought to look there when we were all scrabbling around this conspiracy months ago?

[brianp]

I learn something new everyday. If this has been freely available all along, why has no one thought to look there when we were all scrabbling around this conspiracy months ago?

You can find all the Scottish "complaints" reports here:

http://www.pcc-scotland.org/complaint_handling_reviews

and summaries of the English ones here:

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/news/press_releases.htm

The English IPCC even has a Twitter page:

http://twitter.com/IPCCNews

ETA The full English reports are at:

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/resourc...on_reports.htm

[Pebble]

Extracts can be misleading - where can we read the complete report?

You can find all the Scottish "complaints" reports here:

http://www.pcc-scotland.org/complaint_handling_reviews

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[brianp]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Indeed it's all we can rely on - foresight is so unpredictable.

[Matt]

Certainly I can't claim Greg Lance Watkins as an unimpeachable source. Much of what he writes is sheer lunacy. The letter in question looks real but if GLW is not all he claims to be then maybe the provenenace is not quite what he says. Whilst GLW has been venomously attacked by "Hollies Army" as they call themselves, the letter does not seem to be denied, but neither do we have corroberation that this is what Anne Grieg believes is firm documentary evidence of Hollies assualt.

I am impressed by the logical approach taken by Matt, but he is mistaken when he states that Greg Lance-Watkins is "a seasoned paedophile campaigner". He is nothing of the sort.

Watkins is either an attention seeking Walter Mitty figure or else something altogether more sinister. His claims of years fighting against paedophilia are as bogus as his claims of being educated at Cambridge and Sandhurst. His cv consists of a long running vendetta against UKIP leadership (whom he formerly supported), publicly applauding the assassination of Swedish politician Anna Lindh and bizarre claims that Gordon Brown has "an enthusiasm for under-age rent boys" and that Brown's wife was paid £250K to marry him.

Yes I paraphrased Anna Racoon's write up rather uncritically there. However I did do some further source checking and had to add this...

Certainly I can't claim Greg Lance Watkins as an unimpeachable source. Much of what he writes is sheer lunacy. The letter in question looks real but if GLW is not all he claims to be then maybe the provenenace is not quite what he says. Whilst GLW has been venomously attacked by "Hollies Army" as they call themselves, the letter does not seem to be denied, but neither do we have corroberation that this is what Anne Grieg believes is firm documentary evidence of Hollies assualt.

[Matt]

The Scottish Mental Welfare Commission have no record of her sectioning - this is highly irregular to put it mildly.

This is the full PCCS report.

http://www.pcc-scotland.org/assets/0...0055-PF-GP.pdf

Now that is a decent source.

We can see corroboration of various facts. I shall have to view this more thoroughly.