Keshe Space Foundation scam

[Harryprice]

Why would anyone sell a real map of a lost gold mine, rather than just using it themselves?

Because they don't have the money to find, claim and exploit the mine themselves.

[tolman]

Because they don't have the money to find, claim and exploit the mine themselves.

How would the hypothetical 'honest' dealer ever know a map was real, without going there themselves, or having someone visit for them?

[Harryprice]

How would the hypothetical 'honest' dealer ever know a map was real, without going there themselves, or having someone visit for them?

It could be authenticated by getting the age of the map verified, examining its provenance and looking into the geological likelihood of gold being present in the area indicated.

This risk, which would be adopted by the buyer, could then be accounted for in the price. It's like selling shares in a company - they could go up sharply in future (if it is taken over, for instance) or they could become worthless (if the company goes bust). You can research the company to see if either is likely but ultimately it is still a risk - stuff happens. I think adventurous people prepared to take a punt like this one fully understand risk.

If I came into possession of such a map I certainly would not be in any position to exploit it directly so I would probably sell it to someone who could, making them fully aware of all the iinformation I had about it.

[tolman]

It could be authenticated by getting the age of the map verified, examining its provenance and looking into the geological likelihood of gold being present in the area indicated.

Possibly, though if I was going to fake a map, I'd probably choose an area where gold was geologically feasible, and maybe use old paper if I suspected someone was likely to be able to tell the difference.

I'd also wonder what kind of provenance would be credible, since if anything, a rather vague story 'just found in some strange old guy's papers after he died', might be rather more believable than some long line of owners who for some strange reason failed to exploit it, but the vague story might also be hard to check up on.

[Harryprice]

Possibly, though if I was going to fake a map, I'd probably choose an area where gold was geologically feasible, and maybe use old paper if I suspected someone was likely to be able to tell the difference. I'd also wonder what kind of provenance would be credible, since if anything, a rather vague story 'just found in some strange old guy's papers after he died', might be rather more believable than some long line of owners who for some strange reason failed to exploit it, but the vague story might also be hard to check up on.

It's still a case of buyer beware. Nothing is certain in life. If you assume all maps of gold mines you are offered are fake you might well avoid be conned. But you might also just miss out on making your fortune.

[elbe]

He calls himself a Nuclear engineer on the site, not a scienist, although I am not sure what difference that makes.

Actually he first called himself a Nuclear Physicist here: "

http://friends.redorbit.com/userprof...601bab9adbad86
http://friends.redorbit.com/journals...010b61b3e94b0e
http://friends.redorbit.com/public_j...601bab9adbad86
"
later he seems have become more modest. As I sadly admit have read his nonsense
book I have to doubt even that he's any kind of an engineer. He has such childish claims in his book.
Probably he has just read too much about things which are far above his head.
Now he tries to make money of it. It does not seem to bother him how much ever he must lie for this.
His latest trick seems to be the "Nele" case. I think it's all bogus too.

[tolman]

Seem to be a few people joining just in order to post on this thread.

I'm not actually sure why, since there's already a pretty solid consensus that Keshe is extraordinarily unlikely to have accomplished or invented anything, and pretty solid agreement that he is knowingly trying to con other people, or has managed to delude himself into thinking he's a genius, with opinion probably leaning more towards the scam-artist option.

[cderoose]

No more text needed http://keshefoundation.com/powercells/

[skbuncks]

OMG. I have just tried to read his 'paper' but only got to page 3 before coming down with a serious case of the vomiting stupids.

skb

[reptilians]

He claims to have the means to take people to the moon. Yet he dosen't have a spaceship yet. I wonder why someone like Richard Branson hasn't funded him if he does have such a revolutionary technology. It is obviously such a good scam. Almost got caught to it. Then realised his science was so false. i don't know how people like him continue to be allowed to scam the public.

Right? He doesn't even have a ship! That seems to be a number one sort of thing your going to need to get into space. And then once at the moon then what?