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Dear Neil ("Realitycheck")Originally Posted by realitycheck
I have only just now joined this debate. I am impressed by your civility but unimpressed (so far) by your arguments. Now the discussion has moved on to something I do know something about, please state exactly the work you have done about the sad death of Dr David Kelly and what your contentions are.
I would like to take this as an opportunity to test the soundness of your investigative work. As this should be done on a new thread, I have set one up under "Skepticism". I hope you accept this challenge.
Best wishes,
Jack of Kent
A few days after the death of Dr. David Kelly I tried to gain access to Harrowdown Hill, but the police tape was still up at the gate and they were doing 'door to door' down in the village of Longworth, so I returned a few days later with a friend. What we found that day on the hill amazed us, but we understood how plod would have missed it. From what we discovered there, one of the things we knew was where Kelly's final resting place had been, even though that information hadn't come out yet (and proved difficult to acquire a year or more later).
On and off for the next two years we conducted our own investigations. We did our own 'door to door' around Longworth. This led us to freedom of informationing TVP (Thames Valley Police). My phones, email etc then ended up with an electronic tap and I was forced to place copies of the research with friends and relatives. A certain MP, concerned of party and not of truth, goes on to break his promise to me. Mainstream publishers won't touch the work. And worse! We all end up with an 'Iraqis did it' verdict. Yee Gods! But I was nieve.
My next post will start things rolling and be about Operation Mason. However, I won't be alluding to or using any names on this or any other forum on the net regarding the death of Kelly. My friend's very twitchy about the whole thing still.
By the way, this site uses exactly the same forum design as David Icke's!
As do many others. There are a limited number of standard forum packages which are used by almost everybody. Most forums do not attempt any customisation to speak of beyond adding their heading logo.
No no your doing it wrong. Its obviously part of some nefarious plot of our lizard overlords
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Oh ... yes ... right ... sorry, your Sauriannesses!
The fact that you felt it necessary to investigate Kelly's death tells me one thing. As with so many conspiracy theorists you start off with an unsubstantiated hypothesis and then find evidence, or twist evidence, to fit the hypothesis which you have already accepted. I won't expect too much to come out of this thread.
Dear Realitycheck
I am most grateful for your initial post, and I look forward to your next post. It is to your credit that you are willing to wade into skeptic waters for your contentions to be scrutinised.
Would you prefer me to subject your initial post to some scrutiny, or should I wait for the next one before engaging fully with the points you make?
Sincerely, Jack of Kent
I'm hoping for some illuminating info from Kentish Jack. It's easy to think that there might be something to a conspiracy if you don't know all the evidence. I know enough about 9/11, the 'moon landing hoax', UFOs, etc, to know that the conspiracy theories are rubbish. I'm light on knowledge regarding Dr Kelly's death, but have come across the 'MI6 killed him' stuff. Until one has read a thorough and honest debunking of a conspiracy theory it is necessary to remain open-minded if skeptical.
Not to worrysome - trying to protect a potential crime scene and gather evidence.
What did you find there?What we found that day on the hill amazed us, but we understood how plod would have missed it. From what we discovered there, one of the things we knew was where Kelly's final resting place had been, even though that information hadn't come out yet (and proved difficult to acquire a year or more later).
What did you learn? What questions did you ask TVP? What was their reply?On and off for the next two years we conducted our own investigations. We did our own 'door to door' around Longworth. This led us to freedom of informationing TVP (Thames Valley Police).
How do you know they were tapped?My phones, email etc then ended up with an electronic tap and I was forced to place copies of the research with friends and relatives.
Meh. My MP is a bit pants too.A certain MP, concerned of party and not of truth, goes on to break his promise to me.
Try the Daily Mail - they like a good Conspiracy. I recall they covered Dr Kelly's death from the conspiracy angle.Mainstream publishers won't touch the work.
No, we ended up with a suicide verdict didn't we????And worse! We all end up with an 'Iraqis did it' verdict.
Don't think we need names. What you found on Harrowdown Hill would be a good startYee Gods! But I was nieve.
My next post will start things rolling and be about Operation Mason. However, I won't be alluding to or using any names on this or any other forum on the net regarding the death of Kelly. My friend's very twitchy about the whole thing still.
I'm with Croydon Bob on this one.
There's little doubt Kelly was stitched up by the government, but if I was in a position of planning suicide as a result of something like that I think I would want to do as much as possible to stitch them up in return first.
I was and remain very concerned about the circumstances of the tragic death of Dr David Kelly.
I was a government lawyer at the time and I saw how the death deeply shook and upset many in Whitehall and Westminster. I also was and remain unhappy with the Hutton inquiry, which I followed closely.
Although Mischief Monkey has made some solid and good skeptical points already, I hope that Realitycheck develops his contentions beyond dealing with Michief's initial points.
I would welcome exploring this matter, as a polite skeptic, with someone who has conducted independent research and who does not accept the official version.
My own views on the matter will, I also hope, come out in the course of this exploration...
Am I much mistaken in thinking that Kellys family appear to have accepted the suicide verdict?
Have always thought that the idea they bothered to murder him was ludicrous.
Was he under totally unfair and unreasonable pressure which drove him to suicide? That is surely the essential question. If so, who was guilty of having railroaded him? I know some have clear views on this!!
I did read that his personal/religious life was somewhat muddled? A man who was ripe for a breakdown? Is that the case or was it just smears.
THEY've come for him!
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