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    Has anyone been able to find the supposed defence of Simon Singh from Sense about Science that we were told was available here?

    http://bogus.senseaboutscience.org.uk/

    When I go to this address all I get is their home page trumpeting their defence of GM, nuclear power and the usual suspects, and typing "Simon Singh", or just "Singh" into the search box produces no relevant results that I can see.

    Is SaS genuinely making a contribution to Simon's cause, or are they just jumping on the bandwagon to get publicity for themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinoc View Post

    Is SaS genuinely making a contribution to Simon's cause, or are they just jumping on the bandwagon to get publicity for themselves?
    My understanding is that SaS is co-ordinating aspects of the campaign, including the new defence fund. I can't remember exactly what was said about it at Monday's meeting but Simon introduced Tracy from SaS so he's obviously comfortable with their contribution. I don't think they can be accused of 'jumping on the bandwagon to get publicity for themselves' given this case has attracted almost no mainstream publicity and given there is no evidence to suggest that that is their motive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkingdoll View Post
    My understanding is that SaS is co-ordinating aspects of the campaign, including the new defence fund. I can't remember exactly what was said about it at Monday's meeting but Simon introduced Tracy from SaS so he's obviously comfortable with their contribution. I don't think they can be accused of 'jumping on the bandwagon to get publicity for themselves' given this case has attracted almost no mainstream publicity and given there is no evidence to suggest that that is their motive.
    OK, maybe something will appear on the web site soon. It just seemed a bit odd to set up a "bogus" sub-domain which only directs to the main home page, when it has been advertised at places like SitP as a new web area for Simon's campaign, so I assumed there must be some error in setting it up.

    If Simon is happy with SaS organising the defence fund, I'm happy with that ... but regarding SaS in general I find their libertarian connections a bit dubious, and also the way for a long time any criticisms added to their Wikipedia page were rapidly edited out by SaS themselves, leaving only an anodyne description of their good works. I see the Wiki page now has a few negative points, but it wouldn't surprise me if I find they have disappeared in a few days.
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    Another update from Jack of Kent:
    http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/...standards.html

    Don't forget that you can track developments here:
    http://godknowswhat.wordpress.com/20...ponse-roundup/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinoc View Post
    OK, maybe something will appear on the web site soon. It just seemed a bit odd to set up a "bogus" sub-domain which only directs to the main home page, when it has been advertised at places like SitP as a new web area for Simon's campaign, so I assumed there must be some error in setting it up.

    If Simon is happy with SaS organising the defence fund, I'm happy with that ... but regarding SaS in general I find their libertarian connections a bit dubious, and also the way for a long time any criticisms added to their Wikipedia page were rapidly edited out by SaS themselves, leaving only an anodyne description of their good works. I see the Wiki page now has a few negative points, but it wouldn't surprise me if I find they have disappeared in a few days.
    The only negative stuff I've heard about them is that some of their funding comes from 'big pharma', but I'm going to remain skeptical about whether that's a problem until such a time as they appear to show bias, if that ever happens. I haven't worked with them so haven't had need to investigate, but I'm sure our paths will cross so it'll be interesting to see what I can find out. That said, most organisations have their enemies and critics so it may just be hot air.

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    Thought this was interesting:

    (Via Ben Goldacre's twitter feed)
    General Chiropractic Council admit chiropractors may be ‘bogus’: amusingly, given the ricockulous BCA libel case http://rly.cc/Lyi3b
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    Re: British Chiropractic Association v Simon Singh

    Quote Originally Posted by Trinoc View Post
    OK, maybe something will appear on the web site soon.
    A little trick you can do if you run you won DNS servers

    http://trinocallsareubdomainsredirec...cience.org.uk/

    So it doesn't look like that's done anything specific for bogus at this stage.

    I don't know why they've mentioned it if there nothign there yet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    A little trick you can do if you run you won DNS servers

    http://trinocallsareubdomainsredirec...cience.org.uk/
    I thought is might be some sort of placeholder, but I didn't think to try something completely ... ummm ... bogus to test it.

    The person who announced it at the meeting was very careful about spelling out the domain, and seemed to emphasise getting it exactly right rather more than I would normally think necessary ... but I've tried all the combinations I can think of - .com, .org, .org.uk, .co.uk. The ones with ".org" redirect to the main page at ".org.uk", and the others go to placeholders for the domain sellers (didn't SaS think to bag all of the alternatives?). Interestingly, the placeholder for bogus.senseaboutscience.com includes a link to adverts for alternative medicine!
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    The latest from the BCA:
    FURTHER UPDATE ON BCA v SIMON SINGH
    26 May 2009
    Since 7 May 2009, when in the Royal Courts of Justice Mr Justice Eady provided his ruling on BCA v Singh, there has been significant media interest in the trial.

    The BCA has, until now, declined to comment, choosing to let the legal process take its course. Much criticism has been levelled at the BCA for not entering a debate, criticism which is in itself misguided.

    The law exists to protect citizens and organisations from falsehoods and the BCA used the law because of the damage caused by Simon Singh's Guardian article.

    The case brought against Dr Singh was simply a case to establish a libel contained in his article; it never was, and still is not a "freedom of speech" issue.

    Had Dr Singh simply apologised and retracted his remarks, as the BCA originally requested, any action would have been averted – he has chosen not to do so in the face of overwhelming evidence. Therefore an apology continues to be sought along with damages and costs.

    The words sued upon stated that the BCA deliberately promotes fraudulent chiropractic treatments to children with certain conditions/symptoms in the knowledge that there is no evidence whatsoever to support their efficacy. This is completely untrue.

    In his Defence Dr. Singh stated that the BCA promotes treatments which are positively dangerous. But the reality is that Dr. Singh cannot justify his stance and has not made any attempt to do so.

    In the course of this litigation the BCA has disclosed to the Courts a plethora of medical evidence showing that the treatments work and that the risk associated with the treatments is minimal, if indeed any risk exists at all.

    On 3 November 2008, Dr. Singh was asked by the BCA to state whether he had read 27 different publicly-available research papers before writing his article. If Dr. Singh had read the research he could not have held the view he expressed in the Guardian unless he simply chose to ignore the facts.

    To this day Dr. Singh has refused to answer the question as to whether he had adequately researched his article by reading the source materials.

    Rather than focusing on the facts of the case, Dr. Singh’s Defence is now based on maintaining that he didn’t ‘literally’ mean what he actually said, instead claiming the words were a mere ‘rhetorical flourish’ and what he meant to write was that there was no reliable scientific evidence to support the treatment.

    The payment of damages has never been a priority for the BCA. A nominal sum was requested from the earliest exchanges as a point of principle.

    Far more important is an acknowledgment by Dr. Singh that what he published was wrong, and provide an apology for it. Simon Singh has steadfastly refused to do this.


    His attitude is best exemplified by his statement to the BCA when the association tried to find a sensible compromise. Dr. Singh said that he would continue to litigate because "I’ve got the time and I’ve got the money."

    The case continues.

    Ends

    Press enquiries: Publicasity - Tel: 020 7632 2400
    Also see these two links:

    'My email to the BCA'
    http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/...il-to-bca.html

    'A gentle reminder for the BCA'
    http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/05/...r-for-the-bca/

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    Jack of Kent on the BCA's press release:
    http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/05/bca-speaks.html

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    The full text of Eady's ruling: http://tinyurl.com/qte3cx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Wode View Post
    The full text of Eady's ruling: http://tinyurl.com/qte3cx
    I what sense is the question of whether the BCA had deliberate dishonest intention in promoting bogus treatments a "verifiable fact" (para 14)? How do you verify someone's intentions as a fact?

    In any case, surely it is possible for treatments to be bogus (even in Eady's sense of the word) and for the BCA to be happily promoting them, without the BCA necessarily promoting them with the knowledge that they are bogus.

    Justice Eady's reasoning here seems to be lacking in an understanding of both logic and the English language.

    (Only an opinion, of course ...)
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    Re: British Chiropractic Association v Simon Singh

    According to Jack,

    BCA v Singh: Deadline For Appeal Extended

    I understand that the deadline for Simon Singh to file any appeal has been extended until 8 June 2009.
    http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/

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    Re: British Chiropractic Association v Simon Singh

    Interesting article in The Observer.

    Why are they trying to gag a top British science writer?

    When chiropractors drag a top science writer into the libel courts, the country has lost its backbone
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-singh-science

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