British Chiropractic Association v Simon Singh

[Harryprice]

I would really like to watch that but I can't because I'm not in the UK

Anyone know a way I can see it?

Would a UK based anonymous proxy work?

[polomint38]

I would really like to watch that but I can't because I'm not in the UK

Anyone know a way I can see it?

Here is some

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMaqRddP7sI

[polomint38]

Here is some

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMaqRddP7sI

Here is the section about Trafigura, it puts it in context. It's in 2 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x04vIFmsJec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ww8y4GBMXg

[chaggle]

Would a UK based anonymous proxy work?

I will have to investigate

Here is some

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMaqRddP7sI

Well done polo, thanks both

[bindeweede]

Simon Singh wins permission to appeal!

See http://twitter.com/jackofkent


Updates from Jack of Kent on Twitter (you don't have to have an account to view them, just keep refreshing the page):
http://twitter.com/jackofkent

Also, BBC Newsnight last night carried a small clip of Jack of Kent talking at the Westminster Skeptics in the Pub campaign meeting, followed by a brief interview with Simon Singh. See 37:04 to 39:00 in. I think it's available for the next 7 days only:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_13_10_2009/

According to an article in the "New Statesman",

Today's ruling means he is now free to convince the court of his own intepretation of the piece. In an explicit rebuttal of Eady, Mr Justice Laws described his ruling as "legally erroneous".

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/fo...ngh-libel-case

[bindeweede]

We all stood up as the Judge entered and Simon’s lawyer addressed the Judge. We were under strict instructions of no tweeting, blogging, farting or recording, so I am unable to give you a full transcript, however, please allow me to paraphrase…

Lawyer Dude: “You’re most worthy eminence, sir, your majesty whatever etc etc. We have given you a shit load of documentation explaining why Simon should be given permission to appeal, do you want me to go through the 4 major points”

Justice Law: “Nah, I can’t be arsed to go through all that as you’ve written far too much, anyway I’ve already made up my mind to grant Simon permission for a full appeal and Simon will be allowed to re-argue it was fair comment. Now bugger off and try and write something a bit shorter for the full appeal.

I may not have used the exact words, but you get the general idea.

http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/20...-for-full.html

[Trinoc]

The BCA have just put out a press release in which they now accuse Simon Singh of deliberate malice in the original article, despite the Judge's comments yesterday about there being no question about his good faith.

http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/...mon-singh.html

I wonder whether this could be the basis for a counter claim by Simon for defamation.

Needless to say, JoK is on the case. He suggests saving the release (done here), presumably in case it vanishes from the web, but not actually publishing it further quite yet. I'll bow to his reasoning on the logic behind this latter request.

[tolman]

I love the

This claim has been brought to restore the good reputation of the BCA and that of its members.

I wonder how they think that's working out for them?

I also wonder whether withdrawing the leaflet making the claims that Simon Singh was criticising in the first place was important in their attempt to restore confidence, or merely coincidental.

Finally, I wonder if they think that their making claims of having a 'plethora of evidence', and then failing to produce anything of significance succeeded as part of their strategy for restoring their reputation?

[DrS]

I love the
"restore the good reputation of the BCA "

... I also wonder whether withdrawing the leaflet making the claims that Simon Singh was criticising in the first place ...

At least they seem to be acknowledging that it has taken a hit!

I wonder whether withdrawing the leaflet making the claims that are now to be a subject of Simon's appeal will be useful in any way to suggest the BCA's open acceptance of the claims' ineffectiveness (at best).

[Trinoc]

According to Jack of Kent, Simon now probably has an indefensible case for libel against the BCA, should he choose to pursue it. The only sensible action for the BCA now may well be to throw in the towel. "Own goal" hardly begins to describe it.

http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/...mon-singh.html

I'm almost disappointed if it really does end with a whimper like this. Almost.

[Blue Wode]

Story unfolding from post #849 here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=121214&page=22

[Blue Wode]

Good blog post at Science Based Medicine today on the BCA/Simon Singh case, and the complaint received by Australian Skeptics from chiropractor, Joseph Ierano, regarding the skeptics' re-posting of “Beware the Spinal Trap”:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2385

On a related matter, still no clarification from the UK General Chiropractic Council on the essential differences between scientific manual therapy and chiropractic philosophy (vitalism/innate intelligence/subluxations):
http://www.spinewizards.org.uk/

[zeno]

Lovin the www.spinewizards.org.uk URL!

[Blue Wode]

BCA v Singh: Court of Appeal Permission to Appeal (full text):
http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/...ermission.html

[Blue Wode]

The latest from Simon Singh on the libel reform campaign:
http://twitter.com/SLsingh