Detect the ADE 651 Detection Equipment

[Dubious Dick]

Some of you may have seen Randis challenge to the ADE 651 posted recently. Unfortunately looks like they are having problems on the site at the moment, and the piece has temporarily disappeared (maybe a psychic enemy has sent in enemy thoughtwaves!!)

Anyway, it seems that this 'dowsing' equipment is being sold to detect all sorts of things e.g. explosives. And of course, if it does not work, as it cannot, then someone may get blown to smithereens as a result of this scam.

I have been trying to hunt the person/people down behind the scam, but the contact details on related websites appear to be fake or just p.o. boxes e.g. the Bristol address on the following site. The St. Helens one, according to their next door neighbours (a beauty shop - must pay a visit!) is either a barber shop or unoccupied barbershop above it.

http://www.cumberlandindustries.com/ade651.htm

http://www.atscltd.com/

Seems it is impossible to track it down at the moment. I have engaged the guy on You Tube. See here:

http://uk.youtube.com/comment_servle...&v=OyMP5dBSa2c

Anyone fancy joining in to try to locate him so we can try to get Trading Standards on to it?

[Mulder]

This might explain an odd conversation I had with a 'believer' recently. I was explaining how electrostatic detectors worked and he seemed to believe they could pick up field readings remotely. They cannot, only being able to measure the field where they are (just as an altimeter cannot tell you the height of anywhere except where you are). The use of an antenna makes no real difference. Perhaps the guy picked up the idea from this device.

[Dubious Dick]

Sorry, make that 'an unoccupied flat above a barbers'.

It's effectively just dowsing by another name as far as I can see, dressed up in fancy clothes.

[Matt]

Anyone fancy joining in to try to locate him so we can try to get Trading Standards on to it?

I can tell you who owns the domain atscltd.com

http://whois.domaintools.com/atscltd.com

owner-contact: P-JYM93
owner-organization: ATSC
owner-fname: Jim
owner-lname: McCormick
owner-street: Park Farm, Curry Rivel, SOMERSET
owner-city: Curry Rivel
owner-zip: TA10 0AE
owner-country: GB
owner-phone: +44.08448403750
owner-email:

Thought that may just be the guy who does their website.

Cumberland Industries.com is registered behind a privacy protector.

[Dubious Dick]

Should go into PI work Matt! Think this is the guy as have seen the name Mr. Jim on a blog which seems to have disappeared. Will get on to Trading Standards and see if they will go after him.

Cheers,
DD

[techowiz]

Hi DD,

In your quest to hunt these people down, information from companies house, states that, On the 10th October ATSC moved its registered office from, Rainford, St Helens to:

Dairy House Yard,
Sparkford,
Yeovil,
Somerset
BA22 7LH

DIRECTOR:
MCCORMICK, JAMES WILLIAM
Appointed:
24/07/1997
Nationality:
BRITISH
No. of Appointments:
3
Address:
PARK FARM

HAMBRIDGE

SOMERSET

TA10 0AE

SECRETARY:
THORNTON JAMES, ANNIE
Appointed:
01/08/2008
Nationality:
BRITISH
No. of Appointments:
1
Address:
4 MANOR FARM COTTAGES

BRADFORD ABBAS

SHERBORNE

DORSET

DT9 6RP

Like the way you tackled the guy on youtube.

[Dubious Dick]

Nice one Techo,

I will pass on to Trading Standards. Funny that the supposed appointed agents Cumberland were at the St. Helens address as well. Not clear what has happened to them. They seem to be on the run.

Someone on JREF is pursuing this as well, so will let them know.

DD

[techowiz]

Hi DD,

I think you will find that Trading Standards are pretty toothless in this matter. A point no doubt known when the guy you bated on youtube, used it as an excuse not to have to 'prove' his equipment.
From what I have read it sems these guys target the middle to far eastern countries and Africans, wonder why that is?
I note with interest they have not sold/marketed any in the UK or the US, probably because they know they would be arrested.
I did laugh when he said he had no need of a million dollars
He also admitted it would fail the JREF test, why did he not propose his own conditions then, if, as he believed the JREF was designed to fail him. Just so much BS, he gets really annoyed when not dealing with the gullible.
keep up the fight and post back any updates

[techowiz]

Oh dear, further info from companies house states:.....

Accounting Reference Date: 31/07
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/07/2006 (TOTAL EXEMPTION FULL)
Next Accounts Due: 31/05/2008 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 23/07/2007
Next Return Due: 20/08/2008 OVERDUE

[Matt]

Oh dear, further info from companies house states:.....

Accounting Reference Date: 31/07
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/07/2006 (TOTAL EXEMPTION FULL)
Next Accounts Due: 31/05/2008 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 23/07/2007
Next Return Due: 20/08/2008 OVERDUE

Companies' House can be quite forgiving of this if the correct excuse is offered. They'll even tell you what's an acceptable excuse if you ask them.

[Mulder]

I'm still trying to work out the difference between electrostatic charge from an explosive (not a good idea!) and a cardboard box. Am I missing something?

[Dubious Dick]

No Mulder, don't think you're missing anything! Think it's the ADE equipment that's likely to be missing everything!

As to TS. Have to agree. They seem to be largely toothless and under resourced, sadly. Having said that, am just trying to stir things up and put as much pressure on them and the sellers of this stuff as possible. There's a guy calling himself Kodabar over on JREF who is looking to pursue this as well.

Of course, if anyone out there is rich enough to buy one of these so we can out it to the test and then complain when it doesn't work, that would be good. Perhaps we can all club together? Anyone up for finding out how much they want?

[techowiz]

Hi DD,
Tried to send you a pm, which I am sure you will find of great interest, but you have the facility swithed off, please post when you have switched it on.

[Dubious Dick]

Hi techo, didn't realise. Switched on.

[techowiz]

I see that Mr Jim McCormick, the director of ATSC is fighting back with his own blog at:
I can't post URLs but if you google, ADE651 blogspot, you should find it.
He invites comments, I'm sure the good membership here will oblige him

Also, check out his new website:
Google ATSC ltd (sorry not allowed to post url's)
Previous comments about this must have touched a nerve, acknowledgements to Dubious Dick for them.

From his blog Mr Jim writes:

'Oh, and as a final point…the person who mentioned that he (or she) would take more interest if they were to see me ‘attempt’ to clear a landmine field……I HAVE………in Lebanon after the last invasion a couple of summers ago……..we found over 83 unexploded cluster bombs in the South……..it is documented……. '

No video then, well show us the 'documentation'.