Amanda Jayne Hart - Psychic...

[Unreal]

Apologies for bumping an old thread but I didn't see any point starting a new thread for the same topic.

Amanda Hart can now be found gracing YouTube with her presence. I was curious to know whether any of her seminars had been posted by anyone and that's how I found her. I'm not a stalker

She's only uploaded one video so far, it shows her getting a few flukey details right during her cold reading. The only genuine thing in the whole clip is her surprise that she got something right - I'm alluding to the car boot incident if you're going to watch it. It's a clip from the Channel 5 reality tv show for psychics she was on with Trisha Goddard, I don't recall the correct name of it.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qysj6fys1-A

I took a look at her profile, what a crock!

*Amanda Hart, member since January 2009, age 38* Now, she's either caught up in a timeslip or (shock horror) she's lying. Her true birthdate is 19-01-1967

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[seren]

Amanda Hart can now be found gracing YouTube with her presence.

So heavily edited it's hard to tell what's going on. On the face of it, hot reading. She even says "I know you work with angels"- not "I'm being told" or "I'm sensing" or "Do you...?".

[Unreal]

Thanks for the link John. I'm certainly in no doubt that Channel 5 didn't conduct their 'tests' scientifically, it was purely an entertainment programme as far as I'm concerned. If they had done it scientifically, then Amanda would not have been chosen to be in it.

My stance is that I've known Amanda over 30 years - we were very close for 25 of them. I know her inside and out. Amanda is very sharp minded - entrepreneureal, even. She's very astute and has always had a vivid imagination. She's an outstanding bullsh*tter and knows exactly what to say to push your button. That's where her talent ends though, paranormal or otherwise. She's never been able to hold down a job and wasn't particularly academic at school.

Incidentally, I'm moving house on Thursday, I recently came across some photos of Amanda from about 20 years ago, I'm happy to scan one on and pm it if necessary.

[Nasib]

Unreal,

This is my personal account of being best friends with 'Amanda Jayne Hart' for 25 years, her motives, what makes her tick and how she is no more psychic than a plastic brick. Or even Derek Acorah - and that's saying something.
... and the rest ...

With "friends" like you, who needs enemies.

[Unreal]

Unreal,



With "friends" like you, who needs enemies.

Very constructive post, well thought out and executed with precision

I'm not going to go into specifics to justify myself to you or anybody else. You have absolutely no idea what Amanda is capable of, or the horror of what happened between us. You might not be quite so quick to be judge and jury if that were the case.

What I will say, however, is if she can do what she did to me after 25 years of being almost like sisters, then I dread to think what she can do to vulnerable people to make as much money as she possibly can.

Why shouldn't I have my say? If something I've posted discredits her enough to stop just one person from being exploited, then it's worth every second of my efforts. Whatever you might think of me, I'm not targeting people with vulnerabilities for my own financial gain.

I suggest you have a read of Amanda's input to the Maddie McCann and Sally-Anne Bowman cases, I think the thread is called Psychic Predators? It might help you to make up your own mind about Amanda and stop you from taking cheap shots at something you don't actually know anything about.

Maybe a forum dedicated to debate and debunking 'psychic' people who just isn't for you? ???

[Trinoc]

Maybe a forum dedicated to debate and debunking 'psychic' people who just isn't for you? ???

Nasib's natural habitat is Spiritlove, where she uses the name KitKat. I'm not sure why she posts here.

[Nasib]

Very constructive post, well thought out and executed with precision

I'm not going to go into specifics to justify myself to you or anybody else. You have absolutely no idea what Amanda is capable of, or the horror of what happened between us. You might not be quite so quick to be judge and jury if that were the case.

What I will say, however, is if she can do what she did to me after 25 years of being almost like sisters, then I dread to think what she can do to vulnerable people to make as much money as she possibly can.

Why shouldn't I have my say? If something I've posted discredits her enough to stop just one person from being exploited, then it's worth every second of my efforts. Whatever you might think of me, I'm not targeting people with vulnerabilities for my own financial gain.

I suggest you have a read of Amanda's input to the Maddie McCann and Sally-Anne Bowman cases, I think the thread is called Psychic Predators? It might help you to make up your own mind about Amanda and stop you from taking cheap shots at something you don't actually know anything about.

Maybe a forum dedicated to debate and debunking 'psychic' people who just isn't for you? ???

Thank you. I'm fully conversant with the content of that long thread here. I have neither wish nor intention to become involved in that particular 'debate'. Neither am I suggesting you shouldn't 'have your say'.

Perhaps in your venomous and vengeful efforts to discredit your "friend", you might feel that the ends justify the means. Perhaps you fail to realise also that your personally motivated 'means' are glaringly obvious to others who are perfectly capable of 'making up their own minds'. Your motives serve only to place a certain amount of discredit upon yourself.

[Dubious Dick]

Nasib,

Once again you jump in to defend an obvious fraud i.e. AJH.

She is another example of the scum who jumped on the back of the Maddie bandwagon to further her own interests, and has achieved precisely nothing in that regard. Just as with the Sally Ann Bowman case. Just as with every other case where so called mediums and psychics pretend they have or can assist with police enquiries. As previously stated, there is not one single verifiable case anywhere in the World where this has actually occurred.

Unreal clearly does have personal issues with AJH, but since those personal issues clearly call into question the credibility of AJH, they have a useful place as evidence against this charlatan.

You have suggested in another thread related to John Edward that he is a real medium, that you have not made your mind up yet, that he does cold read, and yet he is still likely to be the real deal. So, we have to put up with your personal opinions, motivated by your desire to defend your belief that there is something out there. Seems Unreal has much more to offer by way of personal testimony concerning this AJH woman, than your personal opinions which are seriously muddled and disjointed to say the least.

I and others have given you credit for seeing through Gary Mannion. That is a sign that you have the capacity to see through frauds. Now apply the same reasoning and logic to all the rest of the so called psychic and mediumistic community and you will start to see that the likelihood of any of it being real is so small as to be very unlikely indeed. You might also use your obvious intelligence to join in exposing the vile and exploitative behaviour of people like AJH, JE, etc etc etc.

May I suggest that you enter into a dialogue with Chillzero before returning here. I think that would be very enlightening for you. She is an ex-believer. She is much more patient than me and many others here. I think you would find such a dialogue extremely enlightening.

[Unreal]

Thank you. I'm fully conversant with the content of that long thread here. I have neither wish nor intention to become involved in that particular 'debate'. Neither am I suggesting you shouldn't 'have your say'.

Perhaps in your venomous and vengeful efforts to discredit your "friend", you might feel that the ends justify the means. Perhaps you fail to realise also that your personally motivated 'means' are glaringly obvious to others who are perfectly capable of 'making up their own minds'. Your motives serve only to place a certain amount of discredit upon yourself.

Maybe, maybe not, you're entitled to that opinion and as such, I don't have any objection. What irked me (albeit mildly) was your previous post which was probably one of the least constructive I've read in a very long time.

You might have somewhat misconstrued my efforts as 'venomous and vengeful' but as I alluded to before, if you don't have first hand knowledge of Amanda or the slightest inkling of our (former) relationship then it's probably best to reserve judgements and assumptions. For instance, I know absolutely nothing about the intricacies of rewiring a house so I leave that job to people who actually know what they're talking about.

For someone who didn't want to get involved with the Amanda Hart debate, I'm afraid you've not achieved your objective by any stretch of the imagination.

Maybe you haven't yet considered that during your rather obvious attempts to flame and discredit me rather than encourage intelligent debate, you're actually giving credance to a predatory charletan?

[Unreal]

Nasib,

Once again you jump in to defend an obvious fraud i.e. AJH.

Unreal clearly does have personal issues with AJH, but since those personal issues clearly call into question the credibility of AJH, they have a useful place as evidence against this charlatan.

You're absolutely right DD, I do have some personal issues with AJH and if I'd actually spelled them out then I would have understood Nasib's quarrel with me as I'd have been discrediting her for the wrong reasons, not the right ones.

My offer of scanning on a photograph of AJH and sending it via pm was that someone (quite rightly) questioned me a few months ago as to whether I actually did know her, not because they thought I was lying (they pointed out they believed me - I still have the pm) but because this is the internet, people can say anything they want to. I certainly wouldn't have posted the photo in the public arena as again, this would only serve to contaminate my input - as would going into more personal detail, which I'm not prepared to do.

The point of me being here is that as someone who has known Amanda for over three decades, I can shed valuable insight into the way she operates and what her motives are - that's much more useful than having a gripe about what she did to me, imho. There are a lot of intelligent people on this forum and they know far more about skepticism than I ever will. JJ for instance posted a very interesting link which helped explain how she works - it summed her up perfectly. We're singing from the same hymnsheet, in other words.

I certainly welcome genuine questions :)

[NorthernSoul]

Unreal,

It seems to me you have a rare insight here.

When did Amanda start claiming psychic powers and what do you think was her motivation?

[Nasib]

Nasib,

Once again you jump in to defend an obvious fraud i.e. AJH.

She is another example of the scum who jumped on the back of the Maddie bandwagon to further her own interests, and has achieved precisely nothing in that regard. Just as with the Sally Ann Bowman case. Just as with every other case where so called mediums and psychics pretend they have or can assist with police enquiries. As previously stated, there is not one single verifiable case anywhere in the World where this has actually occurred.

Unreal clearly does have personal issues with AJH, but since those personal issues clearly call into question the credibility of AJH, they have a useful place as evidence against this charlatan.

You have suggested in another thread related to John Edward that he is a real medium, that you have not made your mind up yet, that he does cold read, and yet he is still likely to be the real deal. So, we have to put up with your personal opinions, motivated by your desire to defend your belief that there is something out there. Seems Unreal has much more to offer by way of personal testimony concerning this AJH woman, than your personal opinions which are seriously muddled and disjointed to say the least.

I and others have given you credit for seeing through Gary Mannion. That is a sign that you have the capacity to see through frauds. Now apply the same reasoning and logic to all the rest of the so called psychic and mediumistic community and you will start to see that the likelihood of any of it being real is so small as to be very unlikely indeed. You might also use your obvious intelligence to join in exposing the vile and exploitative behaviour of people like AJH, JE, etc etc etc.

May I suggest that you enter into a dialogue with Chillzero before returning here. I think that would be very enlightening for you. She is an ex-believer. She is much more patient than me and many others here. I think you would find such a dialogue extremely enlightening.

No, DD - if you properly read my post above, it is not in any way intended as a 'defence' on my part of AJH.

My 'personal opinions' are based on fairness in all matters.

Just as with every other case where so called mediums and psychics pretend they have or can assist with police enquiries. As previously stated, there is not one single verifiable case anywhere in the World where this has actually occurred

http://www.tonyyouens.com/ruislip_murder.htm ?

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Police Turn to Psychics to Solve Crimes
Paranormal & Unexplained,
Written by Danny Penman

Psychics and mediums are not something the police wish to talk about. It’s their guilty little secret.

The police take pride in solving crimes using rational detective work and forensic science. When quizzed, they prefer to talk about DNA fingerprinting and high-tech surveillance rather than the help they receive from beyond the grave.

But the Daily Mail has learned that the police are increasingly turning to psychics and mediums for help in their battle against crime. Sources in the National Criminal Intelligence Service say that officers turn to mediums to help them solve the more difficult cases. There is even a database containing the names of ‘official’ psychics that officers can tap into 24 hours a day.

These psychics have helped the authorities solve murders and trace missing persons. They have also helped the innocent walk free from jail.

http://www.newsmonster.co.uk/paranor...ve-crimes.html

[NorthernSoul]

Skeptic: Do you use psychics for investigation?
Police: Sometimes they come to us but provide nothing useful
Beliver: Ahh but that's what they would say!
SKeptic: Oh you're right! I'm convinced.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Sorry Nasib, but the details in that link are just a complete myth.

No one disputes the cfact that these claims are made. No one disputes the fact that there is unfortunate contact between individual law officials and psychics.

There is no evidence anywhere that they have helped in the sense of the word where they actually contribute something to an investigation. If you could provide a verifiable piece of information that would be helpful to us.