loose change - 9/11 WTC conspiracy video

[huw-l]

So the loose change video has been doing the rounds on the internet this week. I've bumped into it in a couple of completely unrelated places. You can get the video from:

http://www.loosechange911.com/downloads.htm

assuming the bittorrent tracker is working. If it isn't you can see a low-res version on google video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

In case anyone hasn't already heard about this it's a 9/11 conspiracy theory 'documentary'. I haven't has a chance to watch it yet but it was discussed on the skeptics guide to the universe podcast this week.

Here are a couple of good skeptical resources about the points it brings up:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/...marbles-i.html

the following is an article from kuro5hin (not normally a bastion of critical thinking) comparing the 9/11 conspiracy theorists to climate skeptics. It's basically a list of the logical fallacies and rhetorical tricks that both camps use. I thought it was nicely done.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/5/28/21309/3658

Hope someone finds this useful, and won't have to go digging around the internet for an hour like I did this morning.

[Zendal Darkman]

Hope someone finds this useful, and won't have to go digging around the internet for an hour like I did this morning.

thanks I'll give the sites a go. To be honest I just tend to ignore the 911 conspiracy people now.

[Admin]

Yes, I had a few ding dongs with PCTs a couple of years ago.

This looks worth reading though: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/5/28/21309/3658

It's good to look at how their thinking and tactics work,

[Mongrel]

There's a few threads over on the JREF boards if you have a weekend to spare (they're big)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102 Part 1
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57424 Part 2

Also one of the members, Gravy, has done an awsome step by step rebuttall of Loose change in either Word or HTML and an index of the JREF thread that contains major points and rebuttals in Excel

[Hazen]

Update:
http://www.loosechange911.com/

[tkingdoll]

I've heard that they're being sued at the moment for copyright infringement or something similar.

[Hazen]

I also read this, somewhere recently.

The same chap has also produced this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...24059102108031
which tries to link Bush senior to the JFK assassination, and Bush junior to the more recent deaths in the Kennedy family.