There is an interesting new article here.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ntroversy.html
They settled? Well I do hope they have evidence that this vaccine triggered a previously existing condition, otherwise the floodgates will be opened here for all and sundry to claim compensation. Vaccines do not cause autism, the mercury in them is a stablising agent in microscopic doses. It must be another element in this vaccine what triggered the childs pre existing condition. How that lead to autism is anyones guess.
Yep, it was a mitochondrial condition, the kid had a vaccine reaction which then cause the pre-existing condition to flare up. It was a swings and roundabouts thing, she was at increased risk from the vaccine complications but getting any of the diseases vaccinated for would have been even worse.Originally Posted by bobdezon
You can grab more details at Respectful Insolence
yeah I regularly check that site, orac pwns.
I read Steven Novella's article in the Skeptical Inquirer last week about Vaccines and Autism incidentally, extremely well written and clear as mud. He often talks about it as well in the Skeptics Guide podcast.
The way the anti-vaccination brigade change their target everytime a piece of research goes against them is staggering.
Oh yes, the good old predictability fallacy. The action of mercury as a stabilising agent, like all biological reactions, is not absolute. Evolution requires a percentage of individuals not be predictable. In view of the fact that mercury has a whole set of neurological effects in its toxicology, it is not a stretch to imagine that certain individuals with a predisposition to neurological ailments might have an ailment triggered into being by such a substance. We should be talking about how to protect these people from harm, not saying ho hum, too bad, so sad, or, they don't really exist, mercury is always safe, etc. etc.
I suppose this is not relevant.
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/immu...tail.cfv?id=79
If there is evidence that a very small number of people are adversely affected by a vaccine that is a reason to try to identify who they are (as is done with allergies to penicillin, for example). I did wonder whether the kind of research which has been done is able to detect such a problem, and I would be glad to hear from those who know
Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines for a few years now in the US, but yet autism diagnosis continues to rise. The anti-vaccination brigade allege it is because of mercury in the environment and other tenuous causes. In reality, the consensus is just that diagnosis of autism is becoming more accurate - mainly among children. It is much harder to 'count' autistic adults because they are out in the community.
Wow the entire field of scientific research is flawed. Im impressed.
this makes no sense.The action of mercury as a stabilising agent, like all biological reactions, is not absolute.
Evolution is about changes over time, not predictability.Evolution requires a percentage of individuals not be predictable.
It is the dosage that is important, not the compound itself.In view of the fact that mercury has a whole set of neurological effects in its toxicology, it is not a stretch to imagine that certain individuals with a predisposition to neurological ailments might have an ailment triggered into being by such a substance.
If you could quote the part where I stated any of these points then I would be most appriciative.We should be talking about how to protect these people from harm, not saying ho hum, too bad, so sad, or, they don't really exist, mercury is always safe, etc. etc.
You cannot predict every available outcome, sometimes mistakes in medicine are made. Starting with misdiagnosis right up to removing the wrong dieased kidney. It happens, its a risk, but its a managable risk.
Mercury when handled correctly is always safe, but mercury ingested in large doses can be fatal. If this Vaccine triggered a response in this child then can you prove it was the mercury that caused it? Why was it not the auto immune response to the dead viral cells?
Not forgetting the differences between Ethyl and Methyl Mecury.
Of course, and quite a good point too. It seems the word "mercury" just causes a fixation with some people.
Well in it's pure form it is. Just like, say, the pure forms of Sodium or Chlorine are (for normal people) stupidly dangerous.
That doesn't sound too difficult.Do you mean to identify their common factor?
Well yes. I was wondering if all the studies which show no relationship were done with big sample sizes. That seemed likely to me, but if it were true it is possible it would mask a small sub group who were genuinely adversely affected by the vaccine. I do not know how trials work to address that possibility
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