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    Indulgences are back

    Just who believes this crap!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7131088.stm

    Pope Benedict XVI has authorised special indulgences to mark the 150th anniversary of the Virgin Mary's reputed appearance at Lourdes.
    Catholics visiting the site within a year of 8 December will be able to receive an indulgence, which the Church teaches can reduce time in purgatory.
    ....

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    Is Lourdes suffering an downturn in the tourist trade?

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    I wouldn't be surprised. It's the illness capital of the world. Go there, and you can be guaranteed to come back sicker than you were when you went. And the water is stinking, all those germs...

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    But, didn't they abolish purgatory a couple of years ago?

    They're just making it up as they go along.

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    Re: Indulgences are back

    Say it isn't so

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    Re: Indulgences are back

    Quote Originally Posted by filippo lippi View Post
    But, didn't they abolish purgatory a couple of years ago?

    They're just making it up as they go along.
    They don't make it up!

    The pope is descended from God. Or something.

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    Re: Indulgences are back

    I think they abolished purgatory for babies who die before being baptized. As far as I know this bizarre medieval invention is still accepting other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarSideOfTheMoon View Post
    Just who believes this crap?

    Tony Blair, apparently. But then he also believed that there were WMDs in Iraq...

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    Re: Indulgences are back

    Quote Originally Posted by Julia View Post
    I think they abolished purgatory for babies who die before being baptized. As far as I know this bizarre medieval invention is still accepting other people.

    No I think that was limbo

    And it is not surprising Tony believes - He has a lot of sin to expiate and a lot of money to expiate it with

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    They've abolished limbo? You mean I've brought this bad back and bad knees on myself for nothing.

    (mmm... low hanging fruit at christmas)

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    Re: Indulgences are back

    you can have it if you want it, though. Up to you really - per wiki anyway

    On April 22, 2007, the advisory body known as the International Theological Commission released a document, originally commissioned by Pope John Paul II, entitled "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die without Being Baptized." [18]
    After tracing the history of the various opinions that have been and are held on the eternal fate of unbaptized infants, including that connected with the theory of the Limbo of Infants, and after examining the theological arguments, the document stated its conclusion as follows:
    Our conclusion is that the many factors that we have considered above give serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptized infants who die will be saved and enjoy the beatific vision. We emphasize that these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge. There is much that simply has not been revealed to us.[19] We live by faith and hope in the God of mercy and love who has been revealed to us in Christ, and the Spirit moves us to pray in constant thankfulness and joy.[20] What has been revealed to us is that the ordinary way of salvation is by the sacrament of baptism. None of the above considerations should be taken as qualifying the necessity of baptism or justifying delay in administering the sacrament. Rather, as we want to reaffirm in conclusion, they provide strong grounds for hope that God will save infants when we have not been able to do for them what we would have wished to do, namely, to baptize them into the faith and life of the Church. Pope Benedict XVI authorized publication of this document, which is not an official expression of the Church's teaching,[21] but only one of the opinions that the Catholic Church does not condemn, allowing them to be held by its members. Media reports that by the document "the Pope closed Limbo"[22] are thus without foundation. In fact, the document explicitly states that "the theory of limbo, understood as a state which includes the souls of infants who die subject to original sin and without baptism, and who, therefore, neither merit the beatific vision, nor yet are subjected to any punishment, because they are not guilty of any personal sin. This theory, elaborated by theologians beginning in the Middle Ages, never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, even if that same Magisterium did at times mention the theory in its ordinary teaching up until the Second Vatican Council. It remains therefore a possible theological hypothesis" (second preliminary paragraph); and in paragraph 41 it repeats that the theory of Limbo "remains a possible theological opinion".

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    Re: Indulgences are back

    if there is no more lombo for unbaptized babies anymore where will all the unbaptized nursery nurses go?

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