Nina Knowland, spiritual healer

[seren]

Anybody care to follow this up?

My Healing success is such that I am part of a Research Study by Professor Archie E Roy and Tricia J Robertson who work from the University of Glasgow. They have both interviewed and taken video's of my Clients and read their testimonies.

Her testimonials are amazing. She should be a millionnaire by now with skills like that. Can you imagine the difference she could make in the world if she taught other people her skills? Debilitating conditions could be wiped off the face of the planet. Why isn't she out in Africa healing poor people right now?

The night before I was due to go to Musgrove Hospital for the removal of my eye, I went to see Nina (my angel) a Spiritual Healer at her Odyssey Healing Centre, she performed healing on me, she said I wouldn't lose my eye, when I went to Musgrove preparing for the worst, the Surgeon couldn't understand how much the pressure had gone down and he even asked a colleague for a second opinion as the retina had fused together... which apparently doesn't happen. I didn't have to have my eye removed. My belief is if it wasn't for Nina I would have lost my eye.

TESTIMONIALS FROM CLIENTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Is this for our benefit?
They speak about how desperate people will believe anything if it makes them feel better.

[Julia]

I've e-mailed Professor Roy about this. For more about him and Tricia J Robertson have a look at this: http://www.sspr.org.uk/Activities.html

[Julia]

I sent the following e-mail to Professor Roy and Tricia J Robertson:

" I would be interested to have your opinion of the following statement which appears on the website of "spiritual healer" Nina Knowland (http://www.point-of-light.moonfruit.com/)

Originally Posted by Nina's website My Healing success is such that I am part of a Research Study by Professor Archie E Roy and Tricia J Robertson who work from the University of Glasgow. They have both interviewed and taken video's of my Clients and read their testimonies.

The extraordinary claims made by Ms Knowland recently brought her to the attention of the BadPsychics website (http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=603). She has since modified some of her claims, most notably that of successfully treating cancer, but I am curious as to the nature of her involvement with the University of Glasgow.

Many thanks,

Julia D Atkinson"

I have received the following replies from Ms Robertson, which I quote with her permission:

"Nina is indeed taking part in a research study, which is in its infancy. So far the results are encouraging enough to pursue the study for perhaps another year or so. The results will eventually be published.
There are always people who have strong opinions about certain people, but it is usually found that they know very little about then or have studied them at all.

Tricia Robertson"

and:

"I should have said that this has nothing to do with the University of Glasgow. It is a project under the auspices of an organisation called Prism. ( London Based)Both Archie and I have a link with Glasgow Uni - but nothing to do with this project.

I have chastised her for her use of words on the site.

Tricia"

[seren]

Nice one Julia!

So basically the researchers are pretty much believers as far as I can tell, right? I mean, they even use the phrase "open minded skeptic" on their site!

[Julia]

And isn't it absolutely typical that Roy and Robertson, despite having worked with Knowland for some time, don't seem to have taken the trouble to look at her websites? This is a woman who was breaking the law by claiming to have "successfully treated" cancer and misrepresenting her involvement with Glasgow University - and it took sceptics to point this out. I'll bet this particular rat is having no trouble in running whatever experiments are being carried out by the SSPR!

[bobdezon]

And isn't it absolutely typical that Roy and Robertson, despite having worked with Knowland for some time, don't seem to have taken the trouble to look at her websites?

They dont seem to have taken a look at "reality" either.

[Julia]

Oh, and Bobdezon informs me that Robertson claims to be psychic herself. I think the results of Knowland's "tests" will be a foregone conclusion, don't you?

[dalriada]

They dont seem to have taken a look at "reality" either.

Is there something about parapsychological research and those parapsychy circles which does tend to lead to people (some of whom may be very bright and have decent careers behind them) becoming more and more creduluous and more and more sloppy about the way they do things? Serious question- I think parapsychology is a perfectly legitimate field of research and its something I'm interested in, but it does appear that starting off with an interest, leads to getting sucked into a belief and then to the inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Over the years there have been some very fine minds involved in psychical research- not all of them have benefited from the association- but fine minds nevertheless, however as this thread has shown some of the most recent activity going on in certain institutions at the moment is utter nonsense, and dangerous nonsense at that.

Is there a point where universities should draw a line on what is acceptable? Where should that line fall?

[bobdezon]

Oh I dont know, I know some very intelligent parapsychologists who do not tend to grasp at straws. It seems the brighter ones tend to be looking for psychological causes to reported phenomena, rather than sitting about in the dark with a ouija board and a thermos.

[dalriada]

Unfortunately there are also similar intelligent psychology personages who have taken the left hand path of thermos, compass and well-worn meejums and are also not averse to teaching in university departments which will accept doctoral candidates without degrees and even fund very dubious personal crusades to develop and promote 'powers' of mediumship, distant mental influence and healing.

[Cuddles]

Is there something about parapsychological research and those parapsychy circles which does tend to lead to people (some of whom may be very bright and have decent careers behind them) becoming more and more creduluous and more and more sloppy about the way they do things?

I don't know that the research makes them more credulous, I think that that kind of research just tends to attract credulous people. Sure, there are some, like Dr B, who go into it for other reasons, but I think the vast majority of people do so because they already believe and want to prove it. Since someone with a scientific, skeptical mind is unlikely to be a believer, this neccessarily means that most researchers in this area will not be good scientists, and this is nicely demonstrated by the amazing lack of good science, even in cases where there isn't deliberate fraud.

[Gazza]

What a negative bunch you lot are! I do know Nina as a previous neighbour of mine and my partner went to visit her as the result of excessive pain she has experienced, especially since a doctor (allegedly highly experienced surgeon - his nickname was "Butcher" amoung the Doctors and Nurses) mucked up operations on her after a very serious car accident. Neither of us had high expectations but we both felt she could do no harm (well certainly not as much as the medical profession has!). The effect that Nina's healing had on my partner was nothing short of miraculous. For example, on a simple problem Doctors had been faffing about regarding gall stones, one of which had grown to the size of a golfball. After Nina's tratment (for which she only charged £60) the scans showed the gall stones had gone. Nina also treated my Partner's serious period pains (I can vouch for the result of those!) within this treatment and my partner has been almost cured of these. My partner is an ex-nursing sister and knows her subject. She only had to give up after the medical profession failed to deal with her problems. How much would a Doctor charge just to remove gall stones - a bit more than 60 quid I think! Why don't more of these overpaid and underworked quacks (a GP earns on average £80-£100K per annum) go to Africa and treat people for free on secondment (these opportunities are available - my partner did it about 10 years ago)? It is a great pity that people are bad mouthing people such as Gina on this site. I have noted from another site (badpsychics) that at the top of their major donors list is a Doctor! Whilst I fully accept that when it comes to basic problems requiring pills and butchery, Doctors have their place and I am thankful for what many Doctors have done for me and my family. However, I would encourage Doctors and those of you casting unfounded aspersions on this and other sites to have a more open minded view. Then maybe people such as Nina would be able to earn a living from their skills and treat more people.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

What a negative bunch you lot are! I do know Nina as a previous neighbour of mine and my partner went to visit her as the result of excessive pain she has experienced, especially since a doctor (allegedly highly experienced surgeon - his nickname was "Butcher" amoung the Doctors and Nurses) mucked up operations on her after a very serious car accident. Neither of us had high expectations but we both felt she could do no harm (well certainly not as much as the medical profession has!). The effect that Nina's healing had on my partner was nothing short of miraculous. For example, on a simple problem Doctors had been faffing about regarding gall stones, one of which had grown to the size of a golfball. After Nina's tratment (for which she only charged £60) the scans showed the gall stones had gone. Nina also treated my Partner's serious period pains (I can vouch for the result of those!) within this treatment and my partner has been almost cured of these. My partner is an ex-nursing sister and knows her subject. She only had to give up after the medical profession failed to deal with her problems. How much would a Doctor charge just to remove gall stones - a bit more than 60 quid I think! Why don't more of these overpaid and underworked quacks (a GP earns on average £80-£100K per annum) go to Africa and treat people for free on secondment (these opportunities are available - my partner did it about 10 years ago)? It is a great pity that people are bad mouthing people such as Gina on this site. I have noted from another site (badpsychics) that at the top of their major donors list is a Doctor! Whilst I fully accept that when it comes to basic problems requiring pills and butchery, Doctors have their place and I am thankful for what many Doctors have done for me and my family. However, I would encourage Doctors and those of you casting unfounded aspersions on this and other sites to have a more open minded view. Then maybe people such as Nina would be able to earn a living from their skills and treat more people.

You realise if she could prove any of this, she wouldn't need to work? She could claim Randi's million dollars and also would be at the forefront of a revolution in medicine and treatment. She would make untold millions from this.

So why doesn't she?

[Fiona]

Even if she is not interested in money, taking the challenge and winning would end all doubt and would also open the way for more research and perhaps improvements to her and others' skills. This would be of great benefit not only to people in this country but world wide. Better than a few medical personnel being seconded to those countries probably.

So why doesn't she?

[seren]

Has the spiritual surgeon been directing people here then? How brave.

Why don't more of these overpaid and underworked quacks (a GP earns on average £80-£100K per annum) go to Africa and treat people for free on secondment (these opportunities are available - my partner did it about 10 years ago)?

Why doesn't Nina?

It is a great pity that people are bad mouthing people such as Gina on this site.

Nobody has badmouthed Gina. I don't know who this Gina is.
Know her well, do you?