Reply With QuoteIt's a possibility that it is fixed. However, it is unecessary for the game to be bent for it to generate massive profits and the requirement for a massive cover up if it were crooked makes it very unlikely.
I have always considered it fraudelent and a 'poor persons tax' although I have family and friends that do it and I would probably take a share if they won. However it has always occured to me that it is fixed by its organisers. I mean firstly everyone has to get their numbers in by a set time. Surely this enables a (well funded) computer system to calculate an average mean of all entrants numbers. Secondly there's them bloody stupid 'fun fair' balls that look like a machine from a 2nd rate fun fair (hardly a expsensive investment!!!). Now with the maths done by the computer and these ping pong balls that could easily have some kind of magnetic or weight enhancer...I mean I don't know if I'm being skeptical about it but surely someone out there must agree with me...??? Camelot maybe???
"If it happened to me and I had no witnesses, evidence or proof...what chance would I have of anyone believing me"
It's a possibility that it is fixed. However, it is unecessary for the game to be bent for it to generate massive profits and the requirement for a massive cover up if it were crooked makes it very unlikely.
Yes it can but it would be difficult and very risky.
The sequence of events for a lottery draw goes something like this. The 48 sets of balls and five lottery machines are kept in separate locked containers with two sets of security seals. One set of seals can be opened by the representative of the lottery commission, the other set by the draw manager (who works for Camelot). Both the machine and the ball set are chosen at random just before the draw. The draw is done in front of a live studio audience and broadcast live.
The straight-forward approach is to fix the machine to produce a given output.
Your conspiracy member buys a lottery ticket with a given number. This number is set into the fixed lottery machine. The fixed lottery machine is wheeled out in front of the cameras and gives the result you wanted. The conspiracy then claims the prize.
To do this you need to pay off the draw manager and the independent inspector to allow you to substitute a knobbled machine. This machine needs to look just like a real machine in order to fool the studio crew and audience. You also potentially need to fix the random selection of the machine so that the name on your fake machine matches the name of the selected machine.
The upside to this plan is that you need to bribe/threaten relatively few people. The downside is that both those people have a vested interest in the smooth running of the lottery and so will be correspondingly difficult to turn. You also can't guarantee that yours will be the only winning number. Unless you also corrupt the computer system at which point the number of people you have to bribe starts going up.
Like all conspiracies the problem is that it only takes one person to start asking questions and it all falls apart. Also if several other people buy tickets with the same number the conspiracy gets correspondingly less money, potentially rendering the entire thing uneconomic.
A quick trawl of the internet suggests that the mean jackpot of the UK lottery is 2million but the minimum is 100thousand.. I suggest the conspiracy would very quickly implode if the latter happened.
OK...I can see where this is going or not going. I just have issues particularly with RollOvers as it then generates almost double for Camelot as poor plebs scramble for tickets. I have an issue with the ping pong balls and i also have an issue with applying for lottery funding. Has anyone seen how thick the applications are...and if you make a mistake you have to re-apply so in effect its like another gamble.
Any skeptical lottery winners...any skeptical lottery fund applicators???
"If it happened to me and I had no witnesses, evidence or proof...what chance would I have of anyone believing me"
All gambling is fixed, that's the whole point. However, as the others have pointed out, changing it so that in addition to being extremely biased towards the casino, lottety owner or whoever, it is slightly more bised, is incredibly risky and pretty much pointless.
As for lottery funding, what exactly is your point. They give money away and it is very easy to see how much they give away. No matter how complicated the funding process is, how could it possibly be biased towards the organisers. Either they give the money away opr they don't. If they give it away, it doesn't matter how hard it is to get it. If they don't, it would be obvious to everyone, especially the lottery watchdog.
Actually, rollovers are the one time when it's marginally sensible to buy a ticket. Or at least, marginally more sensible.Originally Posted by dark matter
I have no problem with the thickness of the funding applications. It's extremely important to weed out time-wasters. The funding is finite, and so applicants really do need to be able to demonstrate that their project is better than the other thousand that will get turned down. And if you can't fill out an application without making a mistake, then you aren't really demonstrating you are capable of managing the funds. Competence is rather important when being awarded public money.
The odds of winning the lottery are overwhelming, infact the lottery sucks more balls than guinevere on a rollover weekend. They always seem to donate the charity money they collect to some obscure pointless charity like "plaster casts for hedgehogs" or "save the privets foundation" its just bad news all around.
That's nonsense. If you want to see where the money goes, start here:
http://www.lottery.culture.gov.uk/introduction.asp
Hundreds of millions of pounds has not been spent on hedgehogs
Getting money from the Lottery Fund is very demanding. I'm a volunteer and Local Committee member of a national mental health charity, and the local manager has spent hundreds of hours putting applications together. The criteria are extremely exacting, as they should be, and on average, only 1 in 5 applications is successful.
They do not throw money away.
That's nonsense. If you want to see where the money goes, start here:
http://www.lottery.culture.gov.uk/introduction.asp
Hundreds of millions of pounds has not been spent on hedgehogs
You know that was a tongue in cheek complaint right? ???
The charities I mentioned dont actually exist (I hope)
Oof! That hurt. It takes weeks and weeks to write out a full, complete first-round lottery application, weeks and weeks of work that your donors have paid for with donations they thought went to the charity's beneficiaries.It's extremely important to weed out time-wasters. The funding is finite, and so applicants really do need to be able to demonstrate that their project is better than the other thousand that will get turned down. And if you can't fill out an application without making a mistake, then you aren't really demonstrating you are capable of managing the funds. Competence is rather important when being awarded public money.
Most vol orgs are small; very small. They just don't have the staff hours to put into a 34 page application, or the time to wait 6 months to hear if they've passed the preliminary stage, only to have to complete a second round of horrendous paperwork to actually secure the grant. Such charities are also often uneducated in the wily ways of form-filling- they have a mission, often local, which they are passionate about. They're not time-wasters, they're just not masters of the application process.
The whole process is biased in favour of larger, more established voluntary orgs who are practiced in saying what funders want to hear, and even they struggle to get the apps in on time.
Thank you Seren. I have worked in the vol and non-profit sector and the Lottery application is synonmous with sighs and frustration. I agree that not everyone is going to get it but I believe there is a type of masonry involved in the whole application. For instance they always try to encourage you to form a consortium application which immediately causes problems and delays. I have seen this happen three times whilst working in the sector. I feel that if the BBC and ITV can dupe phone ins. What's to say they can't juggle around a few ping pong balls in their favour. Camelot, whatever their good intentions, is a corporate with corporate interests. Let's not be fooled that they don't have an internal selection process hence the difficulties in procuring funding via an overly zealous application process.
"If it happened to me and I had no witnesses, evidence or proof...what chance would I have of anyone believing me"
When it comes down to it, it's free money. If you think it's too much effort to apply, don't. You don't get penalised for not applying for lottery money, you just don't get an extra bonus.
Camelot has nothing to do with distributing the money, they are only responsible for running the lottery. If you have a complaint about lottery funding, at least complain about the correct people.Camelot, whatever their good intentions, is a corporate with corporate interests. Let's not be fooled that they don't have an internal selection process hence the difficulties in procuring funding via an overly zealous application process.
Re: Can the National Lottery be fixed???
Absolutely! I have for many years believed something regarding the way the Lottery is drawn is in some way manipulated.
Here are my questions.
1. Why does the machines close so long before the draw takes place, you can place a bet right up to the last minute with a Horse/Dog race?
2.Back around 1992 117 people won the lottery getting all 6 numbers, did something go wrong on that day? I mean would so many people do it if you were expected to share 3 million with over a hundred people?
3. Out of all the lines placed each week, what are the odds of only 1 person week in week out pick the same set of numbers? I think if your going to do it, you have better chances if you chose a lucky dip, if you happen to have chosen a set of numbers that say 10 or more people have chosen, your never going to win, it wouldn't be good practice to have so many winners now would it!
So, I believe real people win real money, but I also believe that machine is rigged so that it generates 1 or 2 winners!
And yes if your wondering, yes i do the lottery, just in case!!
Have you ever actually thought about the answers to these questions?
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