WOO FROM WOO-WOO land!

[Tin Lizzie]

Hello Peeps.

We the representatives of the people of WOO, would like to begin a thread here, where we would like you the skeptic, just for the duration of your stay in this thread, to imagine that you are in fact one of us; that you can see white sheets floating above your head in the night; that you can hear strrrange noises coming from the room next door when nobody is there; that you get your friend Bob's old auntie Beatrice, who died of sclerosis of the liver five years ago, popping in all the time and pestering you to tell him to put his jacket on a hangar in the cupboard and not on the floor, she bought it from Marks & Sparks and it deserves to be looked after; that you get fed up with other people labelling you, castrating (sorry - castigating) you for what you do.

Imagine that you are born with this, or that you have been somehow made aware of it later in life. Is it a curse, being opened up to other peoples' grief, trauma and personal tragedy? Or is it a gift, which you can use to guide yourself and others, to shine a light into the dark recesses of others' lives? Should you 'go mainstream' - 'go public' and try to sell your ability at all costs? Should you stay low-key, enjoying those free sittings more than anything? Would you be able to afford this?

All I am asking is this; how would your life change if you knew the spirit plane was real and alongside us? What would you do? Would you help people? Would you sit and drink tea with Marco Polo?

Your thoughts, please!

[lara123]

aha-i am delighted to be a member of woo-woo land.knowing a bit about woo-woo land has many benefits as far as im concerned.firstly knowing that spirit exists certainly gives you something to look forward to after death and does ease the fear.

of course ,another reason is being able to help other other people,but i am cautious with people who have recently lost someone,and dont recommend a reading,reasons being,usually nothing is enough,the grief is too raw and i actually recommend grief councelling highly.But in due time,when they have healed somewhat,it can be very comforting to know our loved ones are 'alive'.

[Tin Lizzie]

aha-i am delighted to be a member of woo-woo land.knowing a bit about woo-woo land has many benefits as far as im concerned.firstly knowing that spirit exists certainly gives you something to look forward to after death and does ease the fear.
of course ,another reason is being able to help other other people,but i am cautious with people who have recently lost someone,and dont recommend a reading,reasons being,usually nothing is enough,the grief is too raw and i actually recommend grief councelling highly.But in due time,when they have healed somewhat,it can be very comforting to know our loved ones are 'alive'.

Hi Lara.
As you and I have discussed on the WOO forum, I can remember my first contact with my guides as though it was yesterday. I can remember my very first premonition as though it was yesterday too, although it was 22 years ago.

Can you remember your first contact with the spirit world? How did it affect you and your relationships at the time?

[lara123]

mine was totally unexpected 8 yrs ago,had a handful of strange things happen before that but i think most people do,one morning,a few days after my friends father had passed ,i was alone in the house and felt a prod in my back,he gave me his name,and said to me i'll be with you for a yr.now,it was a tiny tiny whisper but i heard it clearly.i thought that was all a bit odd but nothing more but the next day i saw him,very very faint and fluid like,i could see him walking and then he sat down.over the next few days i was receiving messages to pass on to his daughter.

now,knowing i wasnt going mad,but confused because the name he gave me wasnt the name his daughter told me it was.i decided not to speak out as she was in grief of course and thought this strange thing would go away.

anyhow,the time i saw my friend,out of the blue-she told me her dads name wasnt the name he was born with,it was the name i had received.i was stunned,i literally stsrted to shake and she knew something was up.i had to tell her,she took it well,and asked for all other info to be given.the contact lasted almost daily for a yr.

then towards the end of that yr,i was seeing,hearing,sensing other spirit people.i was facinated.i spent 5 yrs[and still]understanding what i could about it.it really is amazing.

[lara123]

other relationships?i was begged for readings to the point of exhaustion!

[Tin Lizzie]

That's interesting, so it was as if he was still alive but in some other kind of body. Now, there are a lot of people who understandably find this difficult to believe, saying it is a hallucination, coincidence, your own subconsious or that you did cold-reading. What would you say to this?

Aside from that, have you had cause to be disappointed with spirits?

[seren]

that you can see white sheets floating above your head in the night

My first assumption is that I was dreaming, or half-dreaming. Then I'd probably think maybe the sheet was floating above my head because I was under it.

that you can hear strrrange noises coming from the room next door when nobody is there

Call the plumber. Or ask the neighbours to keep it down. Or just assume it's the house "settling". Or, in fact what I'd most likely do is mildly freak out that it's a burglar, then try to calm myself down because really it probably isn't. And it hasn't been....so far.

that you get your friend Bob's old auntie Beatrice, who died of sclerosis of the liver five years ago, popping in all the time and pestering you to tell him to put his jacket on a hangar in the cupboard and not on the floor, she bought it from Marks & Sparks and it deserves to be looked after

Straight to the psychiatrist. Meds please.

that you get fed up with other people labelling you, castrating (sorry - castigating) you for what you do.

I'm sure everyone on this forum can relate to that. Believers aren't nice about skeptics either you know. Both sides take flak and both whinge about it. Tis the way of things. If your beliefs are strong enough it shouldn't matter.

The point is I have a choice about how I interpret things. All the things you've mentioned don't mean I'm psychic or that there are spirits; they just mean I've chosen to interpret them that way.

aha-i am delighted to be a member of woo-woo land.knowing a bit about woo-woo land has many benefits as far as im concerned.firstly knowing that spirit exists certainly gives you something to look forward to after death and does ease the fear.

I'm very glad you get comfort and your fear eased, it must be a nice feeling. Personally I'm not particularly afraid of death, or should I say being dead. Why should I be? The thought of being in pain, struggling to breathe, whilst dying, that scares me. Actually being dead- not bothered in the least.

it can be very comforting to know our loved ones are 'alive'.

For some people, I'm sure. But the people who go for readings don't "know" their loved ones are alive. They believe that they are based on what the medium says. To "know" they were alive they'd need to see them, in person, and touch and hear them.

There's a website out there somewhere of a guy who knows he is being persecuted by MI5. He knows that Jon Snow is laughing at him and giving him messages through the channel 4 news. He knows that MI5 are implanting thoughts into his brain. He doesn't believe it, he knows it. Try arguing with him that it's all in his head, he won't believe you, he just "knows" that it's all true because he's "experienced" it. Should we accept that it's true because he says he knows it is?

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Hello Peeps.

We the representatives of the people of WOO, would like to begin a thread here, where we would like you the skeptic, just for the duration of your stay in this thread, to imagine that you are in fact one of us;

that you can see white sheets floating above your head in the night;

that you can hear strrrange noises coming from the room next door when nobody is there;

that you get your friend Bob's old auntie Beatrice, who died of sclerosis of the liver five years ago, popping in all the time and pestering you to tell him to put his jacket on a hangar in the cupboard and not on the floor, she bought it from Marks & Sparks and it deserves to be looked after;

that you get fed up with other people labelling you...

Righto, I'm imagining.

Now what?

[lara123]

That's interesting, so it was as if he was still alive but in some other kind of body. Now, there are a lot of people who understandably find this difficult to believe, saying it is a hallucination, coincidence, your own subconsious or that you did cold-reading. What would you say to this?

Aside from that, have you had cause to be disappointed with spirits?

yes,it was distinctly finer,of course people may find this hard to believe,if they havent experienced it,its understandable.For me,there was so much happening all at once,i knew it wasnt me going mad,i just knew,i had the lot,seeing ,them,hearing them etc and loads of info that was logged that came true,it wasnt always about the present and past.so i went on the evidence presented to me,for 5 yrs i logged many readings and dated them and just waited.there was simply too much in my favour to deny its existance.

cold-reading-i got hundreds of messages when i was on my own that turned out true.

[lara123]

oh yeah,there is disapointments,but i find personally most psychics dont want to go there but i think we should,no point giving the nicey nice bits only.

sometimes readings are a right pain,a struggle,so so faint and its so much hard work to get things.i dont know all the reasons why either,i know tiredness and stress can affect me,and some books say it can be because the spirits energy is weak.but,i dont know.

also i wish it was louder and clearer,some readings are flawless,but most its an effort to put it all together,so many things can be going on at the same time,feelings,pics and some can take a bit of time to unravel.but the most annoying one is,i wish it was perfect,and its not,often i get a snippep but i want it all.and i dont always understand everything i get,or the sitter too,but i try my best.

[Tin Lizzie]

Okay well what about nasty spirits? Isn't it a bit dangerous at times? Could you not be possessed?

I'm asking questions here, because after I started contacting spirit, I had a couple of pretty scary moments where my windows would slam shut if I thought about my boss at work and how i wanted to wreck his car or infect his computer - he was screwing me for hours and cash. I had these thoughts & my guides would respond quite angrily, but one time in particular as I was meditating I felt a sudden movement in the air. I was compelled to open my eyes (this is the only time, I always keep them closed) and sure enough there was, briefly a blur of a very wiry shape, kind of humanoid. Is it possible that this was a 'bad' spirit? what happens to these?

[lara123]

Okay well what about nasty spirits? Isn't it a bit dangerous at times? Could you not be possessed?

I'm asking questions here, because after I started contacting spirit, I had a couple of pretty scary moments where my windows would slam shut if I thought about my boss at work and how i wanted to wreck his car or infect his computer - he was screwing me for hours and cash. I had these thoughts & my guides would respond quite angrily, but one time in particular as I was meditating I felt a sudden movement in the air. I was compelled to open my eyes (this is the only time, I always keep them closed) and sure enough there was, briefly a blur of a very wiry shape, kind of humanoid. Is it possible that this was a 'bad' spirit? what happens to these?

maybe was a cheeky spirit,ive never had anything bad come through-way too scared of all that.or maybe you have a superbrain and caused this to happen.not all strange things are due to spirit remember.

[SimonC]

All I am asking is this; how would your life change if you knew the spirit plane was real and alongside us? What would you do? Would you help people? Would you sit and drink tea with Marco Polo?

Your thoughts, please!

For me to 'know' that the spirit plane was real would, a priori, mean that such a phenomenon had been proven in a tanglible, empirical context. At that point, I'd be as fascinated by it as I am by many other areas of human enquiry. It would, of course, be an utterly compelling field of enquiry and understanding.

Until that proof is forthcoming, however, ( 'personal proof' doesn't cut the mustard, for numerous reasons ) it can be no more 'real' to me than Bertrand Russell's celestial teapot, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Tin Lizzie]

Fair point but my window was firmly wedged and held open by a 'chock' of wood. Anyway, you know as well as i do that when meditating, your brain is relaxed yet also more focused than when you are in your normal daily frame of mind. Studies have shown how elite athletes can take advantage of this, because they are calm and alert too, so can move quickly and think clearly. This is why I doubt it was a hallucination.

[lara123]

My first assumption is that I was dreaming, or half-dreaming. Then I'd probably think maybe the sheet was floating above my head because I was under it.

Call the plumber. Or ask the neighbours to keep it down. Or just assume it's the house "settling". Or, in fact what I'd most likely do is mildly freak out that it's a burglar, then try to calm myself down because really it probably isn't. And it hasn't been....so far.
hope it stays that way too!


Straight to the psychiatrist. Meds please.
oh---------hilarious. can we come too?


I'm sure everyone on this forum can relate to that. Believers aren't nice about skeptics either you know. Both sides take flak and both whinge about it. Tis the way of things. If your beliefs are strong enough it shouldn't matter.yep

The point is I have a choice about how I interpret things. All the things you've mentioned don't mean I'm psychic or that there are spirits; they just mean I've chosen to interpret them that way.



I'm very glad you get comfort and your fear eased, it must be a nice feeling. Personally I'm not particularly afraid of death, or should I say being dead. Why should I be? The thought of being in pain, struggling to breathe, whilst dying, that scares me. Actually being dead- not bothered in the least. how true



For some people, I'm sure. But the people who go for readings don't "know" their loved ones are alive. They believe that they are based on what the medium says. To "know" they were alive they'd need to see them, in person, and touch and hear them. not nessarily,some have faith and a sensing of spirit before they go.

There's a website out there somewhere of a guy who knows he is being persecuted by MI5. He knows that Jon Snow is laughing at him and giving him messages through the channel 4 news. He knows that MI5 are implanting thoughts into his brain. He doesn't believe it, he knows it. Try arguing with him that it's all in his head, he won't believe you, he just "knows" that it's all true because he's "experienced" it. Should we accept that it's true because he says he knows it is?

only accept whats true for you.and i accept whats true to me.