PsychicSarahFan,
I'm with you. Not that I believe everything Sarah said but people like her don't stand a chance around here.
Sorry, folks. I love you guys and you have been very sweet towards me but you will never find the answers you seek. You poo-poo anyone who sees the world differently from you.
I'm not psychic but I would like to warn some of you of being so stuck in so called ‘reality’ that you miss the point and are left with nothing in your old age but your Skeptic views which may translate as being bitter and cynical old men and women.
We all need a little fantasy in our lives. And I think Skeptics need it more than most.
John,
I love you (as a forum buddy) but you are beginning to sound like a broken record.
Loosen up.
I can’t help wondering what your life is like from day to day. You can’t be that serious all the time. Surely?
When - I’m serious - was the last time you walked barefoot in the park eating an ice cream?
Fuck the doggy-doo. Try it!!
Life, in whatever form it comes, is wonderful!
Enjoy!!
The net, this forum, psychics, and all the rest will be here long after you have gone. FACT NOT FICTON!
OK Zaira.
Can you give us, or me, any reason to take psychicsarah seriously?
What has she done or said that is worthy of respect?
She's had every opportunity to work with us but has refused every attempt to do so.
Sorry, but I'm not going to take a light-hearted look at people who can and do do serious harm to victims of crime and misfortune for the sake of frivolity or fantasy.
Yes there's fun things to be had in life; however, losing a child isn't one of them and neither is being targeted by psychic predators.
We can have fun and we can be serious and I would say that doing both is fine - we just need to pick the appropriate situation for either. And this topic is not an appropriate one for having laughs.
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Zaira,
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I'm not psychic but I would like to warn some of you of being so stuck in so called ‘reality’ that you miss the point and are left with nothing in your old age but your Skeptic views which may translate as being bitter and cynical old men and women.
Not sure whether I am one of the "some" you refer to, and no personal attack intended here, but what point am I missing? And if I'm honest, I'd rather be stuck in "so called 'reality'", than a fantasy world of angels, fairies, psychics, ghosts, crystals, reiki, psychic surgery, and all the other bollocks. [I'm not suggesting you are, but some of the sites I've come across suggest some people are.] I wouldn't usually use a word like that in a public post, but you don't seem to have a problem, so I shouldn't either, really.
Of course, I can't see into the future, but I do not, at present, at least, see why my skeptical views "may" translate into me becoming bitter and cynical.
I suppose it's possible, but who can say?
Ok, John.
I'm not saying take her seriously. She has been a very naughty girl, getting involved in serious media stuff. Disagree with her by all means, and then move on.
She hasn't said much worthy of our respect, but I don't recall her asking for our respect. She is very misguided and I hope she sees where she went wrong sooner rather than later.
She's had every opportunity to work with you all and has refused every attempt to do so. So why keep pushing? See it for what it is and move on.
I don't take a light-hearted view of people who do serious harm to victims of crime and misfortune either. But isn't it up to the people involved to tell her where to get off?
I know about losing a child. One of the very worst things anyone should have to live through in my opinion. But what has that got to do with having fun? The sun comes up and the sun goes down. And we get on with living or we get on with dying. I don't know about you but whether I believe in an afterlife or not, I don't want my loved ones looking down and seeing me miserable. Do you?
You're right! This topic is not an appropriate one for having laughs. Just what I have been saying all along.
I also suggested way back that perhaps it should be knocked on the head, and you appeared to agree with me. You mentioned breaking the thread up. Separating bits of it. But that never happened. Why?
I'm just nit picking - the Brits burnt a lot of people (but less witches than were burned in Europe though) - but I don't think they burnt Joan of Arc......Originally Posted by PsychicSarahFan
Witch hunting is possibly a mental illness - the desire to persecute those of unlike mind.....mmm... I'll research it
bindeweede,
No personal attack intended on anyone here.
It just all seems so....... predictable.
I'm not saying you should be stuck in either. You can live in both, it's all to do with balance.
I wasn't referring so much to fantasy, angels, fairies, psychics, ghosts, crystals, reiki, psychic surgery, and all the other "bollocks". What I am saying is that everyone is perhaps being too serious and one track minded on this thread at least.
You're not suggesting I am. Thank you for that. I don't see myself like that now but I have been down that road in the past. I know what these people are going through. And if they are lucky they will realise the truth before it's too late.
I have come across those sites too. I am involved with psychic forums for my own research and I'm doing quite well. Which only goes to confirm a lot of my beliefs that some of them are so easily lead and that they will believe anything.
I apologise for my use of that word. Sometimes I just need emphases.
I hope you're right and that your skeptical views don't leave you over cynical and bitter. But in my experience, people who only see the 'reality' of this world become overwhelmed by it and may even decide to turn their back on it all together.
The Brits used to hang witches not burn them. I believe (I did read up on it a long time ago) that the burnings were mostly in continental Europe and the USA.
The witch-hunts were a prime example of irrational thinking based on the belief in paranormal/supernatural powers and entities. Corruption too later on of course.
This is exactly the sort of thinking, mirrored in modern society by the belief in psychics/mediums/mystics/etc., that skeptics aim to highlight and expose for the irrational, and potentially harmful, thing that it is.
Which shows that it wasn't exactly the best analogy to use against us!
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Allo Allo,
Joan of Arc - She then set out to relieve Compiègne, but was captured and sold to the English by John of Luxembourg. Put on trial (1431) for heresy and sorcery, she was found guilty by an English-constituted court, and burned. She was canonized in 1920.
John,
This is a great example of what I was getting at.
The witch-hunts were a prime example of irrational thinking on the side of the Witch Hunters. They didn't understand people healing themselves and each other because they couldn't afford to see doctors. And what they didn't understand they were afraid of, and what they were afraid of they tried to destroy.
Those people were not witches they were today’s 'psychics'!
Are Skeptics modern day Witch Hunters?
"Which shows that it wasn't exactly the best analogy to use against us!"
Are you sure about that?
There is no other reality - only fabricated reality.
There's more than enough in the real world that is truly fascinating than people may imagine. Do an astronomy course and you'll be amazed at what's out there. Do a biology course, look through microscopes at cells dividing, life in action!, and be amazed at how it all works. Look at Earth Science, discover what earthquakes tell us about the Earth's interior, how the continents drift across the surface of the globe, see how landmasses collide, like India driving into Asia, raising the Himalayas, and creating the monsoons which dried out Africa - this may have led to the conditions forcing apes to leave the dwindling forest and make a living on the Savannahs - on two legs.....
Then after discovering the true wonder of the real world, try presenting the argument for believing in psychics etc. All this is just intellectual bankruptcy.
The real world is far, far more fascinating and interesting than the imaginary world of the paranormal.
And as we seem to be in 'mocking mode' tonight, let me say that I think that those who escape reality to live in the imaginary world of magical powers and special people are the really sad ones. It's THEY who ought to open their eyes and minds to the fascination of reality - not waste their time believing in a fantasy.
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I know. They're who I was talking about.
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John,
I get it. This is a wonderful world.
I am not trying to present an argument for believing in psychics etc.
"The real world is far, far more fascinating and interesting than the imaginary world of the paranormal."
How would you ever know that unless you had taken a journey into the world of the paranormal?
You deal in facts. Right? How can you compare both when you have only ever experienced one?
Zaira,
I can't speak for everyone here, but if there was such a thing as a skeptic rite of passage, it would almost be classifed as a spiritual experience.
Casting aside the faith based nonsense and being able to live in a world where you just know you don't know it all but you don't need some supernatural god or teapot to fill in the blanks is just so uplifting.
When it all clicks into place, it is amazing. You do see things with a lot of clarity - and I think you are misinterpreting that for cynicism and pedantry. The people on here can spot BS at a thousand miles.
It isn't for everyone - I know that - but I don't need fairy tales or make-believe to get me through life.
If you aren't familiar with the concept, I'd recommend reading up on humanism. I'm not an active humanist, but the stance is certainly something I support.
Personally, I hate the psychics trying to make a name for themselves out of missing children. However it goes much wider for me - I see vulnerable people being lied to and ripped off constantly by them. Sure, people bring it on themselves, but I absolutely detest the whole concept that lying to people is acceptable. We all hate it if we feel we have been conned or ripped off, and that is how I feel when I see psychics doing it to other people.
We're still waiting for evidence that there is something to experience other than fraud and delusion.
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