I was browsing the forum at Gordon Smith's site (The Pyschic Barber), and I came across this rather disturbing post.
I'm not sure I understand on what level it can ever be justified to tell someone that their miscarried embryo is still around them and passing messages across.
Even worse, she claims that she has passed a message from a 5 week miscarriage. Has she any idea what an embryo consists of? I just don't get it.
http://www.thepsychicbarber.co.uk/ph...opic.php?t=164
i have lost three children 2 to early miscarriage 6 and 7 weeks respectively and one which i know was a girl at 22 weeks from spina bifida.do our lost children grow with usmy 12 year old son says he has seen a little girl running around in the house and a medium that came to the house has seen a little girl sitting on my husband and my bed . sometimes i think i feel some thing , does it matter at what stage you were will you feel your little ones . it is something i worry about because to me all 3 were my children , even though i have 4 children living and 3 stepchildren
I've given many,many miscarriage links and as i say,had 2 myself.i am reassured all is well,not just with mine,but yours also.x heaven is perfect my dear-have no worry.xI have passed many messages from miscarriages,the earliest 5 weeks
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You bet they do honey,the reason they stay around is the link of love,the link of your love and their love for you, you will always be their mummy and they know that-thats why they visit! they are always cared for in spirit until it is our time to meet again. people in spirit still want us to enjoy our life well-and dont like us grieving too much for them as that is what true love is-wanting our loved ones to be happy of course.
Moon,
This is shocking but I do understand the comfort some people can get from it. People who can’t let go and move on with their lives. I feel sorry for them, I really do. Instead of grieving normally they are in fact putting off the grieving process. But a time will come when the truth will dawn and they will feel like they have hit a brick wall.
Re: Messages from Miscarriages
I can understand some parents gaining comfort from it as well but this kind of stuff really sickens me. This is one of the Psychic world's extreme low points. They should be ashamed of themselves.Originally Posted by Zaira
This sickens me too, on so many levels.
How is another believer who had an abortion supposed to feel after hearing something like this?
Grief is a terrible thing to have to deal with, but it should be dealt with honestly. This is one of the things that makes me so angry at Colin Fry. Did you know he was initially a grief councellor? It seems to me that he must have been a poor one to have to resort to making things up, and using that position of trust in such a manner.
The very first time I saw Colin Fry he spoke to an audience member about a child she had lost either while pregnant, or shortly after birth. It was a very shocking piece, and he was quite aggressive with her about the information he was giving out. Disgusting.
First of all, a big hello from a newbie!
I hate it when these fraudsters use people in this way. How anyone can do such a thing is completley bewildering. And yet we see time and time again in these readings blatant disregard for the feelings of any other human being. People eat this garbage up through desperation and when they are at their most vulnerable.
Sickening to say the least...
britishpsychics,
Welcome. Does your name mean you are a psychic?
chillzero,
The sad thing in this case is that they really believe they are helping people with their fairy tales.
If someone said something like that to me, I'd think I was in a nightmare.
No Zaira Im not a psychic! Maybe it wasnt the greatest username to use on here...!! :-\ I've used it because of a site im starting (britishpsychics .co .uk) to expose fraudulent mediums. Nothing too big, just a hobby to fill my otherwise boring daily schedule.
Chill Zero, I heard that Colin was a Grief counsellor over at badpsychics (hello jon if you're here!)
I am as speechless now as i was when i found out. How can anyone be a trained grief counseller and then come out with so much rubbish to prolong that grief? He really is a sad, sad (but rich...) man.
britishpsychics,
I've checked out your site. Good luck with it.
I think you might be right about your name, could be a little misleading.
Hi - welcome to the forum.No Zaira Im not a psychic! Maybe it wasnt the greatest username to use on here...!! :-\ I've used it because of a site im starting (britishpsychics .co .uk) to expose fraudulent mediums. Nothing too big, just a hobby to fill my otherwise boring daily schedule.
Chill Zero, I heard that Colin was a Grief counsellor over at badpsychics (hello jon if you're here!)
I am as speechless now as i was when i found out. How can anyone be a trained grief counseller and then come out with so much rubbish to prolong that grief? He really is a sad, sad (but rich...) man.
I may have some articles for you for that site if you are interested. I'll PM you about what I already have tomorrow, and what I have in the pipeline.
Colin Fry angers me no end, as does Diane Lazarus, and I support your efforts fully in trying to expose their behaviour and lies to the public.
good evening everybody,firstly i think it is my right to defend myself.
farside had left a message on gordons site that hurt so many people,many people have had their proof that it is possible,farside had not quite understood what i meant,but i and many people believe it to be true,in fact i meant when they 'grow ' up on the other side.mind you,im sure you'll still be pretty horrible to me either way.
farside had a reply from a lady who had a miscarriage who had her proof ,the lady responded,and farside did a runner.
never ever will i call anybody on this site'sick' for their beliefs,so i dont know why you think you can call me so.you all have a right to what you believe and i absolutely respect that.
Obviously some of you claim us to be delusional,naive,sick,mental.in need of help etc.
send the white van over then and i'll go for a ride where all the bad witches go
Good evening. It is indeed your right to come and defend yourself.
You have to understand from our point of view, the beliefs you are espousing appear to be both manipulative of very vulnerable people and physically impossible.
There were a few ad hominem attacks and it was obvious that no proof was required for them to believe anything that was said on your part - just the fact that they "knew" it was true because they "wanted" it to be true. Sadly, that's not how things really work.
Indeed. But, when you are claiming that a 5 week old embryo (they're not called foetus until 7 - 8 weeks old) which has essentially no brain or nervous system in place. To suggest that this can then "communicate from the other side" after a miscarriage is to assume a lot of factors that are simply not present.
Perhaps if you could offer some kind of evidence (and not anecdotal, please, you might as well tell us that you have a magic pixie in your garden shed), or even, if you would be willing to give us a first-hand demonstration, then we would be willing to take this conversation somewhere.
That is one possibility, yes. Other possibilities include, honestly mistaken, telling the truth and outright lying. Just from stories on a chat room, it is impossible to tell which, but only through testing and examination will we uncover the real truth here.Obviously some of you claim us to be delusional,naive,sick,mental.in need of help etc.
send the white van over then and i'll go for a ride where all the bad witches go
the mess ages i deliver do not come from embryo,it is when they are 'older',i do apologise if i did not make that clear.
you are assuming,it seems to me,that people who had their proof are stupid and gullible and im totally aware that most people in need/grief are vulnerrable but why do you think i would lie?i am an ethical person full stop,a lot of what i say to people only validates what they saw/sensed themselves but again you might say it to be their imagination playing up through grief.
i believe there are many many psychics who are frauds,i've been to many myself that were dreadful,but to assume its all hogwash seems silly to me,just because you dont know,does.nt mean it cannot exist.
i think psychics should be tested,but we are on tricky ground sometimes regarding what is evidence,that can open up a difference of opinion on its own with different views coming from everywhere.
say,then,i give a reading to someone with just clairvoyance and no mediumship,do you believe in that in any way?
everybodys proof is different isnt it?what would be enough for one wouldnt be enough for another and i find so many people dont exactly understand the process what happens to us.
what farside called me is no different if i was to call him a liar too,that infact he is making this all up too and is really a medium,there is no difference,he's not coming forward with his proof that im liar,he simply cant,its only a belief,his beliefs are fine to me-honestly-but why not discuss it unstead of name calling.you see,rather strange to me,sceptics call us names and immoral etc,yet act unethical themselves.
maybe i'll invite farside along for the ridemany thanks for your reply,i appreciate it.
Some of you certainly are deluded and/or naive, some are certainly sick and in need of help and I'm certain that many others are manipulative, cynical predators who prey on the naivity of others - but the one characteristic you all share is that you are almost certainly wrong.Obviously some of you claim us to be delusional,naive,sick,mental.in need of help etc.
send the white van over then and i'll go for a ride where all the bad witches go
The fact that drugs, illness and brain injury can directly affect memory, all aspects of one's personality, and consciousness itself demonstrates conclusively that everything that constitutes an individual is a function of chemical and electrical activity in the brain. It follows that when the brain dies so does everything that constitutes that person - and it also follows that there can be no individual before the brain develops.
Of course, despite the above, millions believe that there is some sort of existence independent of the brain, something which comes into existence at conception and also survives death. Some even believe that it is possible to communicate with this other existence. Such fantastic beliefs - beliefs as far-fetched as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy - wouldn't be so way-out if there was the slightest bit of evidence supporting them. Indeed some believers claim there is evidence and even seek to demonstrate it. But when the evidence is examined it is always found to be wanting - under any sort of spotlight, examination or investigation, the evidence evaporates. And when you have a fantastic assertion with lots of evidence against and none in support, the only possible conclusion is that it is untrue.
I wish it were true - I would love to meet the grandfather and grandmother I lost before I really knew them - I would love to be reunited with my parents and with the several close friends who've died - I would love think of the unborn child my wife and I lost 26 years ago as having grown up and to meet her as an adult would be wonderful. But wishing it were true doesn't make it true. Losing a partner, child, parent or friend can be heartbreaking, but they are gone and the sooner we face up to reality and accept the loss, the sooner we get over it. Of course we never forget them and we celebrate the time we had together and the things we shared, but those people and times are gone.
Then of course we face our own deaths - our own end. There is nothing after death except the memories we leave behind and the things we've made a difference to. Yet we all know those who waste their lives in the expectation of something better after death. The sensible ones make the most of what little or lot they've got in life - there's nothing after it.
Not really. Evidence would constitute an ability demonstrated by a psychic that is repeatable (meaning it happens on demand, not just occasionally by dumb luck), falsifiable (meaning that if it were untrue it could be proven as such; in contrast to saying something like "God's favourite colour is green" which cannot be proven either way), and not explainable by other means (such as cold reading or sensible guesses).
Yes, which is exactly why objective scientific tests need to be carried out, rathert than relying on personal anecdotes.everybodys proof is different isnt it?what would be enough for one wouldnt be enough for another
What exactly do you mean by "older"? You see, in order to make a sensible comment, you should really specify your terms, it reduces confusion and chances of being mistaken later on.
I have no doubt that you believe yourself to be ethical, as do most other people.
We're not saying that people who have had this "proof" as you call it, are stupid or gullible, but perhaps mistaken or desperate for validation.
And herein lies the nub of the problem. Every psychic thus tested or examined has failed their tests. On balance, it would appear that these powers or abilities do not exist - we are always open to new evidence, but subjective anecdotal stories are not proof, nor particularly compelling.
Testing is simple - a clear, concise demonstration under controlled conditions that allow for all possibilities of fakery, deliberate or not - this would demonstrate beyond peradventure whether these abilities exist or not for that claimant. The results would be clear and obvious, with no need to try and force-fit anything.
Personally, no. However, I would be willing to work with you to come up with a suitable protocol for a test in order to see if you really do have the abilities you believe yourself to have.
Proof is used differently by different people, but the ultimate concept is that of unequivocal evidence demonstrating something. For skeptics, the evidence thus far does not show that psychic or paranormal abilities exist at all, we demand a greater level of evidence than most, as "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
This is what I am offering you now - an opportunity for you to show us beyond all doubt that these abilities exist (at least in you) or not. This is not about belief, this is about truth and proof. The levels of proof demanded may be strict, but they would show, beyond all doubt, a positive or negative outcome. Would you be willing to try this?
Everyone is welcome...maybe i'll invite farside along for the ride
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