Angels prevent mid-air collisions.

[bindeweede]

There must be a lot of them about.


FLYING WITH ANGELS

We had a wonderful two weeks holiday in Lanzarote. We were returning to the UK and our ‘plane was gradually descending to land at Birmingham Airport. It was early evening in late November and beneath us we could see the vast area of Birmingham lit up, stretching out into the distance, and rows and rows of car headlights on the roads and motorways.

The lights on the ‘plane dimmed and our ears popped again. I felt vaguely uneasy. I really do not like the taking off and landing. This is a good time to use my Reiki symbols. All about me I could feel a lot of tension.

I closed my eyes and began to meditate. Almost immediately I could see our ‘plane from the outside. To my great surprise, I could see many angels along each wing and around the cockpit. They looked as though they were concentrating and then conversing with one another. Their long light garments and flowing hair were blowing out behind them.

This must be my imagination, I thought. Right away a reply to my scepticism was firmly implanted in my mind.

“Have you never, ever wondered why there are so very few air traffic accidents? Just think of how many flights there are day and night, every day, every night, all the time, all over your world. Many are flying almost continually over hugely populated cities and towns. Look where many of your airports are situated! We are here to protect you. This is our element. You are enfolded in our love.”

I will never be worried about flying again!

Marcia Goffin

Nothing to do with Air-Traffic Control then??

[From www.healingangels.co.uk]

[The Great Bymble]

There must be a lot of them about.


FLYING WITH ANGELS


“Have you never, ever wondered why there are so very few air traffic accidents? Just think of how many flights there are day and night, every day, every night, all the time, all over your world. Many are flying almost continually over hugely populated cities and towns. Look where many of your airports are situated! We are here to protect you. This is our element. You are enfolded in our love.”
I will never be worried about flying again!
Marcia Goffin
[From www.healingangels.co.uk]

Using that line,what's the getout from the inescapable fact that fatal aircrashes aren't exactly unknown?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Just Where do you start with someone like that?

I guess the complexities of modern air travel are just too much for her medieval brain to comprehend. The enlightenment and age of science seems to have passed her by unfortunately. Can't her angels come down to Earth and maybe stop a few suicide bombings or car crashes?

There's an awful lot going on every time you catch a plane. Airport logistics, aircraft engineering, air traffic control, weather, human interaction - it's a hugely complex environment.

[vbloke]

So what happened on 9/11? Were the angels having a sadistic laugh?
In fact, where were the angels during all of these?

[brettdbass]

So what happened on 9/11? Were the angels having a sadistic laugh?
In fact, where were the angels during all of these?

You're just not thinking like a woo...

[woo]
All of these incidents are the by-product of the angels work across the globe preventing other, much larger disasters.

All the negative forces conspire at times to bring death and destruction on a massive scale to our humble, mortal world. At such times of battle between the forces of good and evil, sometimes the good are simply outnumbered, resulting in the most unfortunate deaths we see here. Rest assured that the angels arrived on the scene immediately after the incidents to transport the souls of the victims safely into the arms of the Good Lord and banish the evil forces to their dark realm once more.
But also, praise be to the angels for having once again come to our aid and prevented a cataclysm the likes of which this planet has never witnessed.

[/woo]

Urgh, now I need to take two showers.

[chillzero]

brett,
Actually a lot of the 'woo' beliefs, as spoken by people like Sylvia Browne, is that these things are predetermined, and chosen by those who died there.

Sylvia claims that we all choose - before birth - the type of life we will lead, and a few points at which we may 'choose' to die. The death is as meaningful as the life. People who died on 9/11, or in the german camps, chose to do so, for some kind of greater good.

I think the reasoning is the return to faith for many in the wake of disasters, and also the impact that needs to be made on a global population in order to have some kind of spiritual shift occur.

Or something.

[bindeweede]

People who died on 9/11, or in the german camps, chose to do so, for some kind of greater good.

I wonder what sort of reaction you would get if you posted that comment on a Jewish website/forum.

[vbloke]

The one thing that really disturbs me about beliefs like this, is that, if there truly is a perfect life "after" this one, one that lasts for all eternity, where there is no suffering, we are perfect and your every whim is provided for, why would we choose to live here and now (or even, in the past, where disease and war were common)?

[chillzero]

People who died on 9/11, or in the german camps, chose to do so, for some kind of greater good.

I wonder what sort of reaction you would get if you posted that comment on a Jewish website/forum.

Can I just clarify that I do not endorse any of this - I am just passing on the info.



VBloke - it is all about the lessons the soul needs to take on to pass through the various levels of being until ultimate enlightenment. Apparently.

[brettdbass]

To be more serious for a moment (I'm sure that won't last long though)...

The example put forward by Chillzero is a very good one, IMO. A very good example of why skepticisim is of vital importance in the world, now as much as ever.
See that in immediate contrast with my post, which was completely made up on the spot. Now, if you were in a position of vulnerability having just lost someone to a car/train/plane/whatever accident (ie. something beyond control or blame) it would be very easy to be taken in by either. Problem is, only one comes from a "media recognised, internationally acclaimed psychic", the other comes from a frustrated musician in Leicester who just happens to be a skeptic. And of course, earlier in the thread there was the other example provided by bindeweede.

If you asked a hundred different mediums you'd get a hundred different explanations, all covered with comforting platitudes of course. If you asked a hundred different religious leaders, the same would apply.
The massive problem here is that there are literally hundreds of thousands of self-professed psychics and mediums around the world now, many millions surely over the course of just the past few hundred years, never once with the exact same story - how can that be?
What about the religions then? Hmm, there are LOTS to choose from here as well, again all with a different explanation.

I see this as the maybe the closest we get to evidence against the superparanormanatural. Add in all the extra gumph like Tarot, crystal healing, homeopathy, candle magic, tea leaf reading, dowsing, blah-blah-blah... it's just getting silly now!

So, what's in it for these people? Why do they perpetuate their own chosen brand of waffle?
Altruism - it makes me feel nice to help people.
Power - it makes me feel awesome to have command over people's lives.
Fear - what if I don't worship this god and he comes and smites me into hell for all eternity?
Money - the almighty dollar.

Altruism is probably excusable, these people mostly genuinely believe within themselves that what they do brings good to other people, and sometimes they will be right, but it remains in part still a selfish act in all but the rarest of cases. Sadly, of course, even the genuine can be easily swayed by the temptations of power and money.

So, why is it vitally important to promote skepticisim and critical thinking? Because there are no other tools effective against the charlatans and their persuasive, opportunistic, sometimes life-destroying exploitation. If the good few are put out by it, well I'm a little bit sorry, but we cannot let the many thousands of crooks and criminals (the Sylvia Brownes of this world) continue unchallenged. Ok, perhaps this is a somewhat altruistic take on the reason for being a skeptic, but that's probably excusable too

[bindeweede]

There's a little more on Sylvia Browne here -

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/c...francine.shtml

[bindeweede]

Sylvia says Jesus died aged 33. Or was it when he was 86 and living in France?

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/c...eatdeath.shtml

[bindeweede]

Sylvia Browne would like people to believe she has the psychic ability to communicate with the dead and to diagnose their ailments. She has broken three promises made on international television to take the JREF One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. More than two years have passed since her first promise. I don't believe she ever intended to take the test. Do you think any talk-show hosts will care?

This quote comes from "Quackwatch."

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/browne.html

And more......
she and her estranged husband were subsequently indicted on several counts of investment fraud and grand theft

which comes from

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...28/ai_n6361823


Oh yes, and even more -

http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/featu...ic/index1.html

[brettdbass]

Ah, bindeweede, you've tapped into a rich vein there. Happy mining!

[Cuddles]

Sylvia Browne would like people to believe she has the psychic ability to communicate with the dead and to diagnose their ailments. She has broken three promises made on international television to take the JREF One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. More than two years have passed since her first promise. I don't believe she ever intended to take the test. Do you think any talk-show hosts will care?

That quote seems a little out of date. According to the front page of Randi's site, it is now six years (and one day) since she agreed to a protocol, and even longer since she agreed to take the challenge.