"non-evasive psychic surgery"

[bindeweede]

Quoted with permission of "Moonriver" from Badpsychics. Posted Feb 18th.

I clicked on the link to Gary Mannion site and saw this:

"Lee Gale: Aged 6, London – Helena brought her 5 year old son at the time Lee to see me because he had warts on his finger that continually growed. All the doctors could do was freeze them off when they grew which caused him a lot of pain and temporary relief. After one treatment the warts completely disappeared of there own accord and have not returned since, which the doctors cannot explain. Helena had heard about me through her mother Estelle who had a foot problem (which she suffered with for 4 years) fixed. Both are very happy to recommend me to anyone."

Firstly, I cannot imagine any dermatologist freezing (Cryotherapy - very cold liquid nitrogen is sprayed onto the wart to freeze and destroy the cells) a common wart on a child of 5 without a local anaesthetic. The Consultant Dermatologist I worked for 8 years ago stopped using cryotherapy on common warts due to the fact that, in normal healthy people, the common wart caused by human papilloma virus (HPV) would continue to present itself for a period of time, For Gary's site to state that
Quote:
"After one treatment the warts completely disappeared of there own accord and have not returned since, which the doctors cannot explain."
is a complete insult to our medical profession. It has been known for years that common warts are self-limiting. (However, people with low immune systems can develop wart-like symptoms and need to be checked out by a QUALIFIED medic.)

The more I read about this man, the angrier I become. He really is a very dangerous sycophant!

(the mis-spelling of 'their' is Gary's - not mine!!)

[Julia]

Have a look at this little excerpt from one of Gary Mannion's "testimonials":

A friend of mine called Mannie (who is the lead Physiotherapist at Northwick park hospital and who has seen me work many times)...

"Mannie"? This must be another reference to the mysterious "Manesh Naidoo", I hear you cry! In fact it isn't, and thereby hangs a tail.

Earlier today I spoke to Sangita Patel, the real Head of Physiotherapy at Northwick Park. There is a physiotherapist at the hospital called "Mannie", NOT surnamed Naidoo, who is associated with Gary Mannion (outside of working hours) and has fallen for his act hook, line and sinker. During our conversation Ms Patel expressed her astonishment that any health professional could believe Gary's outlandish claims. But here's the good news: Ms Patel has asked "Mannie" to pass on an important piece of information to Gary, namely that if he continues to mention Northwick Park the hospital is prepared to take legal action!

Gary's comment on being found out?

I am prepaired to back up with evidence but when you wrote to Northwick
park 6 times you got my friend in trouble. That I see as harrassment.
Therefore I am not willing to provide anything to people like that.

Pathetic.

[Matt]

I am prepaired to back up with evidence but when you wrote to Northwick
park 6 times you got my friend in trouble. That I see as harrassment.
Therefore I am not willing to provide anything to people like that.

Gary, I know you read here occasionally. I'd also like to see the quality of the evidence of your claims. Follow-up studies that sort of thing. I mentioned as much earlier in this thread.

Julia's actions in this are of course despicable - she might claim that she was just searching for the truth but clearly she was exploiting the lies on your site to make things uncomfortable because she hates all people with the initials GM. People should be allowed to make whatever claims they like and pretend they're backed up by senior medical professionals without this sort of harassment. Its the same with the way police victimize criminals by catching and arresting them. Harassment plain and simple. Still I'm sure that the harassment victims feel, just like you must, some small responsibility for opening themselves up to such attacks.

It's a shame your friend Mannie has got into trouble. What trouble was that? As far as I can see he's been asked to pass on a message. You’re the one being threatened with legal action, after all. Whatever trouble it was, you must feel awful about your small part in it. Who knew that linking your controversial claims to an established Medical Institution without their permission might lead to some sort of problems.

Surely Mannie's employers don't think that he's responsible for the appearance of a fictional Manesh Naidoo on your site. Is your friendship with Mannie strong enough for you to take full responsibility for this minor fib to ensure that your harmless exaggerations don't get him into trouble?

After all I know your concern is the trouble Julia made for Mannie and not the lawsuit you're been threatened with.

Of course I understand your desire to punish Julia for this. However I'll point out that the rest of us never called or emailed Northwick Park Hospital. I never checked up on any of your other claims from some sort of independent witness. I simply asked you for the evidence.

As such I feel a little bit disappointed in Julia spoiling it for the rest of us who are eager to hear more evidence for your amazing world shattering discoveries.

Just as you were about to back everything up with proper evidence too. Ooh that pesky woman has appalling timing.

I wonder if instead of keeping your evidence secret from all of us just to punish Julia you might just PM the evidence to me. You see I don't want to have these doubts about you. You know little doubts like, if you were mistaken that Northwick Park Hospital were alright with you claiming their tacit approval of their techniques then maybe your appraisal of your own abilities might also be a little suspect. I'm probably wrong but it's in my nature to want to check these things out. If you really can cure cancer I want to know about it.

I promise, Scouts Honour, never to tell Julia anything about it. I'll let her go on thinking you're a liar if that's what you want.

Serve her bloody well right too. She probably thinks that the evidence never even existed and you only mentioned it because you now had a water tight excuse for never letting her see any of it. Sour grapes or what?

[filippo lippi]

Hats off to Julia for her fine work and a for Matt

[Julia]

Yes, I'm an evil bitch!

*strokes fluffy white cat and laughs manically*

I'm only sorry that there's no actual money in this persecuting-psychic-surgeons-and-Indigo-Children lark. At this rate I'll never be able to afford a Caribbean island or buy even the most basic underground lair...

[Julia]

I've just had a look at "Samskara", in which Gary is a partner. This sort of crap makes me GLAD I couldn't afford it even if I believed in it!

LA STONE THERAPY
The original hot stone massage. Using hot basalt and cold marble to create vascular gymnastics and encourage the body to heal itself. Deeply relaxing and cleansing. 54 stones used in one treatment. One stroke of a hot stone is like ten of the hand.
60 mins - £45

54 stones used in one treatment, eh? That's a heck of a lot of basalt and marble! And I wonder who worked out that "one stroke of a hot stone is like ten of the hand"? Still, if LA stands for Los Angeles - or even if it doesn't, come to that - this was probably made up to extract cash from people with more money than sense.

SHIATSU MASSAGE
Shiatsu massage is a traditional Japaniese healing art.The philosophy underlying shiatsu is that vital energy ( QI in Chinise, KI in Japanese) flows through the body in a series of channels called meridians. Shiatsu can be beneficial for a wide range of conditions from specific injuries to more general symptoms of poor health.
60 mins - £45

Where would New Agers be without the word "energy" to abuse? It doesn't matter whether you spell it "qi" or "ki", this particular form of energy is as non-existent as the "meridians" through which it flows.

AYURVEDIC MASSAGE
Using herbal oils the body is massaged using invigorating techniques. Working on the ‘marma’ points to release the flow of energies. Balance your Doshas (vata, pita and kapha).
60 mins - £45

I defy anyone with a grain of common sense not to giggle at that last sentence. Marma, dosha, vata, pita, kapha - file under I for "imaginary".

THAI MASSAGE
Thai massage is yoga based massage on the floor. In the massage therapist do more stretches based on yoga postures and stimulate the energy points as well. This massage gives good energy flow and stretch to our body.
60 mins - £45

Holy chakras, the energy must be flowing like water at Samskara! It's a wonder that patrons' mobile phones work on the premises...

PRANIC HEALING
Pranic healing is a highly developed and tested system of energy based healing to balance, hormonize and transform the body energy process. “It helps to balance your physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual imbalances.”
60 mins - £45

"Tested" by whom? And how do you "balance" forms of energy that can't be detected in the first place?

PRANIC PSYCHOTHERAPY
Pranic healing is pranic healing applied in healing and alleviating emotional and psychological aliments. Phobias, compulsions and addictions can be alleviated in a very short time. It is not uncommon that in just the first session a phobia is 70 – 90 % healed.
60 mins - £45

Why does that first sentence remind me of Gertrude Stein? Ah, yes - "A rose is a rose is a rose..." I'm not sure if we're meant to be impressed by the fact that your phobia can be "70-90%" healed in your first session, particularly if you have to shell out another £45 to have the remaining 10-30% seen to. In fact, I'm not sure how they came up with that figure. A pranic phobia-meter, perhaps, or maybe "quantum" is involved.

Samskara is flogging pure, unadulterated woo to people whose ignorance of real science probably equals Gary Mannion's. If it sounds good, feels good, smells good and originates from the Mystic East it MUST be worth £45 per hour...mustn't it?

[bindeweede]

Julia,

There is so much "healing" going on in the wonderful world of woo. How many bloody hypochondriacs are there out there?

[Julia]

I've just heard that Gary will shortly be receiving a letter from Brain Gym warning him that he is illegally using their trademark, and that further action will be taken if he continues to do so. Unless he mends his ways PDQ young Gary will soon find himself in court!

[blindwatchmaker]

Excellent work Julia.

I'm feeling rather depressed tonight as I had a conversation with a good friend earlier who has totally bought into GM's bull.

He says he was there at a demonstration of psychic surgery and although he didn't have treatment himself, he can't deny what he "experienced".

He also told me that there's a campaign by "the skeptics" to discredit Mannion.
He said this as if its such a shame.

I didn't have time to "go there" with him but he's a true believer in every sense of the word and won't even accept the existence of any objective reality (ie My truth..Your truth.. etc etc).

Such a dreadful shame.

[bindeweede]

This seems to be a new page on Gary's site - new to me at least. I don't remember him saying patients ought to have seen a Medical professional before seeking psychic surgery. Could be wrong. Am I detecting something of a change of position?

What is Psychic Surgery?

Different Psychic Surgeons work in Different ways. Mainly working on all different Spiritual and Physical Levels. The way I work is: I have a Spirit called Abraham who uses my hands to perform the Psychic Surgery. When he is working, most of the time I see inside peoples bodies and see what he is doing. He works on the Physical, Mental, Past Life, Karmic, World Karmic, Inheritance and Spiritual Levels helping to clear out what he needs clearing and promoting the body to heal itself.

What is the Aim of Psychic Surgery?

The main aim of Psychic Surgery is to promote the body to heal itself on all levels. It does this by helping the body to bypass the negative program which tells your body it should be ill and instead tells the body what it needs to do in order to get better. With emotional or energy root causes, it helps to bring these to the surface so that the person can deal with it and let it go. Thus allowing the body to heal itself.

What are the Guarantees with Psychic Surgery?

Unfortunately everyone is different therefore it is almost impossible to give an account on how a particular person will benefit from Psychic Surgery. There are a lot of people who in there opinion have had some great results. However there are also some who in their opinion have found minimal or no improvement. One of the key factors with any healing of any type is that the person must firstly on some level want to get better in order for this to happen. Otherwise the body will not let go of the pattern it has developed which has made it ill in the first place. Psychic Surgery would look to help with this by helping to bring these issues to the surface so that the person can finally deal with them and then let them go. Another common reason why people may not find benefit from Psychic Surgery is if they do not make a conscious effort to stay well. I can try and help someone's lungs to heal up but if they go out and smoke again (when smoking is the cause of the problem) they will only undo any healing the body has done.

How Many session will I need?

This is another question that can not be given a clear answer without first talking to the person. Everyone is different some people find they only need 1 appointment and that is enough to help them with their problem however some find they need a couple of sessions before the body has fully healed itself. I would advise to try 1 appointment and if you have found some benefit but your body has not healed itself 100% yet, come back for another session or speak to me and we can discuss what the best option is (as it may be that distant healing is all that is then needed).

How long does a session last?
This Physical appointment differs between an average 10-30 minutes however actual time may vary depending on what you need. Healing then carries on absently for a further 10 days on average. Again this come down to what you need.

Are there any side effects from Psychic Surgery?
In some cases people have reported going through a clearing for a short while after the treatment. This may be in the form of emotions and/or physical pain. This is known as a healing crisis and is your conditions way or clearing itself physically or energetically from the body. This does not happen in all cases but it is best advised that for a couple of days it may feel as if you have had Surgery. Therefore you may need to take it easy. Another side effect some people report is felling like they are still being worked on up to 10 days after the Physical appointment.

Are you a Doctor?
No I am healer, not a Doctor. I have no Medical Knowledge or training other then some "Basic First Aid". I rely purely on Abraham and his spiritual team to advise me on what I can see and what they are doing (however this is an opinion and not a diagnoses). Therefore it is advisable to have seen a doctor before coming for Psychic Surgery and to continue any medical treatment afterwards unless advised not to by a medical professional.

Can I have Psychic Surgery instead of Conventional Medicine?

No Psychic Surgery is an additional add on to Conventional Medicine and it is advisable that you have sought the Medical route before taking on Psychic Surgery as an additional treatment. I am not a Doctor and therefore can not best assess what you need also Conventional Medicine can also provide what your body needs

What if I can't afford the treatment?
If money is an issue (unemployed, on a pension, on benefits) then please speak to whoever you book with. They will make a note of this and you will not be required to pay anything for your appointment. Also distance healing is free to everyone. Simply email me the persons full name and condition.

Do you do home visits?
This depends on what the problem is and how far away from us the person is. If it can be arranged we will see what we can do. However because of how tight my schedule is I will only do a home visit for an extreme condition.

What if I can't get to you?

In this case we offer absent healing. This can be done by emailing me the persons full name and condition. There is no charge for this service

As recently as Feb 19th, Gary was saying this, on a thread now locked.

These things that have been said saying there is no proff about healing e.t.c I have seen people have different forms of healing and their condition which doctors said couldn't be cured went away. However it's sad to say if their condition dissapears and they tell their doctor they have had healing the doctors don't put it in their notes or persue it futher. So that is why there is no evidence. Not because it doesn't happen but because it isin't recorded. It is the same for Psychics working for the police.

[blindwatchmaker]

"..Otherwise the body will not let go of the pattern it has developed which has made it ill in the first place."

Oh how foolish of the whole of medical science! How stupid we have all been to assume that disease could be caused by bacteria, viruses, genetic defects or injury when all along the answer has been staring us in the face!

Illness is caused by patterns the body has developed which it wont let go of.

I think it's high time we closed down all the research labs and stopped wasting money developing cures and treatments based on stupid biological assumptions.

I vote for Mannion as Health Minister.

[bindeweede]

"..Otherwise the body will not let go of the pattern it has developed which has made it ill in the first place."

Oh how foolish of the whole of medical science! How stupid we have all been to assume that disease could be caused by bacteria, viruses, genetic defects or injury when all along the answer has been staring us in the face!

Illness is caused by patterns the body has developed which it wont let go of.

I think it's high time we closed down all the research labs and stopped wasting money developing cures and treatments based on stupid biological assumptions.

I vote for Mannion as Health Minister.

We might need a referendum on that.

[filippo lippi]

Has he not claimed to be Minister for Health yet? If not, it's only a matter of time before he does.

[Julia]

Why does he use the word "surgery" at all? Other than the fact that it sounds far more impressive than "massage"?

[Matt]

Is see so if Psychic Surgury doesn't work it's because you WANT to be ill. never Gary's fault, always the patients' fault.

I guess this is fairer than pesky evidence based medicine which can make people better agianst their will.

Other than that, a step in the right direction from young Gary. An exercise in harm reduction that addresses many of my criticisms with this form of placebo.

Lets hope it's not just lip service and that such an approach carries through into his daily practice.