"non-evasive psychic surgery"

[bindeweede]

Someone called "doubter" has joined the spiritlove forum, and dared to question some of Gary's cliams. I quote "doubter"

Yes, of course it is up to Gary, but personally I always question people who seem less than truthful.

Kitkat, why have you got it in for me? What is your evidence that I am from the skeptic sites? I can assure you I am not. Besides I don't really want to argue the point, you make unfounded allegations against me, but don't question someone posting on your site who seems to make excuses every time he is caught out.

For what it's worth, if you want my opininon, I feel the skeptic sites are right in what they have been saying about Gary. I don't know if psychic abilities exist or not, but I can tell a conman when I see one.

[bindeweede]

I saw this on one of his other websites regarding the cancer patient earlier.
Rodger Andrews: Aged 61, Littlehampton
Rodger came to see me because he suffered with Liver Cancer and was told he had 3 years left to live if he had Chemo and radiotherapy. However he was told that he would not recover from this cancer. Due to the law regarding cancer I have removed the text that was here and reiterate I do not claim to cure cancer. What I can say is Rodger is currently well, still with us and happy to recommend me to anyone.

http://www.garymannion.com/

But the ORIGINAL testimonial is still on the Abe Healing page.

Rodger Andrews: Aged 61, Littlehampton
Rodger came to see me because he suffered with Liver Cancer and was told he had 3 years left to live if he had Chemo and radiotherapy. However he was told that he would not recover from this cancer. 2 days after seeing me he went for a scan at his hospital to find the cancer had disappeared. The hospital being shocked sent him for repeat scans and other tests again to find the cancer had gone. They have no explanation for this. To this day the cancer is still nowhere to be seen. He is happy to recommend me to anyone.

My bolding.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

But the ORIGINAL testimonial is still on the Abe Healing page.


My bolding.

He has too many sites, so he is going to have trouble keeping the lies up to date.

[bindeweede]

Well, Gary is so important, St James's church had to get extra security in, because of threats. Can you believe it?

And as for harrassment I have recieved, when I worked at St James the other week they told me they had had to hire extra security because they had recieved threats.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Well, Gary is so important, St James's church had to get extra security in, because of threats. Can you believe it?

I personally find it insulting that Gary keeps insinuating that he is being threatened, or others associated with him.

I see absolutely no basis to that allegation.

All I am aware of is that people have chosen to try to verify his statements.

The one about the church security seems ludicrous, and given I wasn't there, I can't say for sure, but you certainly were there.

If you are economical with the truth, then of course people are going to doubt what you say and go to greater than normal efforts to verify your story. So far, it seems little of Gary's story stacks up.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

And another thing, last time I looked this was a skeptic internet forum, not a meeting place for underworld or Mafia. Same goes for BadPsychics. Maybe there is another group of people who Gary has pissed off that are making threats against him?

[bindeweede]

And another thing, last time I looked this was a skeptic internet forum, not a meeting place for underworld or Mafia. Same goes for BadPsychics. Maybe there is another group of people who Gary has pissed off that are making threats against him?

Farside,

I have contacted "Alternatives" about Gary's claim of increased security, but I'm not expecting a reply.

Gary also posted a very confused message about his "House of Commons" performance as a Psychic Medium. I have contacted Tony McNulty, the MP he referred to, as well as the Harrow Observer, who he says covered the charity event.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Farside,

I have contacted "Alternatives" about Gary's claim of increased security, but I'm not expecting a reply.

Gary also posted a very confused message about his "House of Commons" performance as a Psychic Medium. I have contacted Tony McNulty, the MP he referred to, as well as the Harrow Observer, who he says covered the charity event.

If it was a charity event, maybe he did make some sort of appearance. However that is far from explaining why he felt that he should make the claim he has worked in the House of Commons. If someone told me they worked somewhere, I would naturally assume they had some sort of regular arrangement. Either as a permanent employee, or on some sort of contract for a third party.

It is such a tenuous link, in a blatant attempt to garner some credibility. Anyone who was not trying to create a false impression would not mention that link.

Even if it does turn out to be true, his claim is misleading. I see a bit of a pattern emerging here.

[bindeweede]

Well, this is what he posted on the spiritlove forum.

As for the readings abou the house of commons. Which of my websites is that on? I didn't know. I did do readings for the house of commons. It was a charity event that was raising money for 5 local charities in Harrow and I was asked to go along to the house of commons and do readings at the evnt. There was even an article one about it in the Harrow Observer. I will see if I can fish out dates and if I can find the article will scan and post it. I know one of the mp's there was Tony Mcnoulty - probally spelt wrong. I trhink he was the minister for police or something like that at the time. I do not want to give away the organisers name without their permission (think I've learnt the lesson on that one) but if you contact the charity helping hands in harrow they should be able to confirm

[Julia]

I think what we're witnessing here is a compulsive liar in the process of watching his edifice of untruths crumble before his very eyes. The internet has made it very easy for people like Gary to reach new audiences and spread their nonsense further afield, but it's also made it easier than ever before for armchair detectives to check up on their claims.

I recently e-mailed Revd Charles Hedley, Rector of St James, to ask him if - knowing what he now knows about Gary's pals Dr Gowri Motha, Manesh Naidoo and Dr Glen Davies - he would welcome Gary back to St James for another show. He has passed my message on to Alternatives, and I've also e-mailed them to ask if there is any truth in Gary's claim that extra security was brought in because of these sinister "threats".

[bindeweede]

Julia,

My admiration for you has become unbounded. I stand in your shadow, pet.

I just don't know what more to say.

BW.

[meercat]

Well, this is what he posted on the spiritlove forum.

As for the readings abou the house of commons. Which of my websites is that on?

It's a shame Gary can't keep up with himself. It's on this one:

http://www.divinemessengers.com/gary_mannion.htm

I have worked as a Psychic Medium in many different ways

• For a Text Psychic Company
• On T.V
• In Person
• Even at the House of Commons.

[Julia]

No wonder Gary's confused - he's got three websites and has posted extensively on UK-Skeptics and spiritlove. Plus his printed publicity material, of course. Downsize yourself, Gary!

[bindeweede]

After I mentioned the "oranges injected with arsenic" claim on the spiritlove forum, a chap from Denmark posted this link.

http://www.twnafrica.org/news_detail.asp?twnID=810

SOME oranges contain high levels of arsenic. Not exactly what Gary was saying. Anyway, I did a search on oranges and arsenic, and got a link to the Randi forum - a place I have hardly ever visited.

Alice Shortcake indeed!.

[chillzero]

Good work guys - hopefully any undecided observers will learn that it always pays to look a little deeper into any claim, and not accept everythign at face value.

As to the claims of threats, I wouldn't pay them much more heed unless something concrete is forthcoming. We know they aren't from here, and that perhaps our need to ensure honesty is behind every claim is threatening to some. However, it is possible there are threats to Gary from another quarter, and I feel we shouldn't necessarily get embroiled in any of that. Since we aren't making threats we should keep a distance between us and anything that may follow concerning that matter.

After all, I have only a vague feeling about how I might feel if a family member of mine was duped by this person who 'makes no claims' for cures. Just as Gary is not the sole reason we are here, and is not the centre of our existence, the same is true in reverse - I am sure we are not the only people with an interest in what he claims.