"non-evasive psychic surgery"

[bindeweede]

Another quote from Gary, sourced from "spirit love".

With prices for readings I suppose it depends where you live and how much it costs that person to live in that area.

In my case I charge £35 for Psychic Surgery as I find that is enough for me to live on, to pay my bills on and to do what I need to on. However I don't charge those who can;t afford it and I think a good medium and healer that cares should make that allowance for those who can't afford.

When looking at mediums and Psychics telling the future I have always found and told clients to take it with a pinch of salt. If I told you you were going to eat a chicken burger tomorrow and choke on it you may decide not to eat chicken tomorrow in which case you have completely changed what has been predicted.

The past and present most Psychics can pick up on because it has already happened and is already in your energy field, whereas the future is open to possability (we all have free will)

If someone wants to know something about the future in the past when I have done readings I have always tried to show them possible futures and possible advice on what they can do to help reach their goals. That is another thing I personally think a good medium should do.

I personally don't think that getting a bigger profile should make your prices go up. I think that comes from people getting used to money and wanting bigger and better things!

What does everyone else think

My bolding. Am I wrong, but didn't Gary say he doesn't charge, he just accepts contributions?

Surely, this is completely fraudulent.

[Sarama]

There has got to be a way to better inform people, to educate and encourage them to ask questions. To take some sort of responsibility I suppose and to do some research for themselves.
Whether or not Gary believes in what he does, why do they?

I have to admit, when I go in to see my GP I never hesitate to ask questions whether pertaining to her diagnosis or the programmes she sets down for me, and she is always obliging. If she can not answer my queries right then and there she will either refer me to the latest research, or have it ready for me on my next visit. I do not do this to be difficult but because I want to be informed.

What makes a complimentary practitioner exempt from answering such queries and providing sound proof? Such proof would also serve to provide him/her with a more stable and integral foundation.

[bindeweede]

More on Dr Gowri Motha:



You have to sign in to read the rest of it and I'm not going to. Another one of the "it only hurts because you think it does" brigade.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-131279728.html

Oh, and I've now tried Googling Manesh Naidoo, Manish Naidoo, Manish Naidu, Manesh Naidu, M Naidu and M Naidoo, with and without references to Northwick Park Hospital. I gots nuthin.

Well, do you think Gary Mannion is a total fraud, or not? His team makes huge amounts of money from him, no doubt. Genuine? Please!

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Another quote from Gary, sourced from "spirit love".



My bolding. Am I wrong, but didn't Gary say he doesn't charge, he just accepts contributions?

Surely, this is completely fraudulent.

Ah! He isn't charging for what he isn't doing but for the time in which he isn't doing it.
Makes all the difference. I'm sure you see that!

[bindeweede]

Ah! He isn't charging for what he isn't doing but for the time in which he isn't doing it.
Makes all the difference. I'm sure you see that!

Lord Muck,

Your analysis is brill, as usual. Time for bed.

Hope all is well with you and yours.

[Mojo]

Julia,

Well-done again for persevering, although I don't think many of us will be surprised at your news.

Is it worth putting together a summary of Gary's claims?

Dr Gowri Motha said "I do share your concerns about his extravagant claims.
I have yet to be impressed by him."

Manesh Naidoo has had no connection with Northwick Park Hospital. In fact it seems unlikely that that person exists.

Gary's claim to have worked at the House of Commons has not been confirmed.

He has no medical qualifications.

He has not clarified what training/qualifications he has in hypnotherapy.

His claim to offer Brain Gym has been removed.

He established the ABE System of healing, but does not claim to heal anyone - he just charges for his time.

Have I missed anything?

There doesn't appear to be a "Dr Glen Davies" on the GMC's List of Registered Medical Practitioners.

[bindeweede]

There doesn't appear to be a "Dr Glen Davies" on the GMC's List of Registered Medical Practitioners.

Mojo,

Thanks. I had forgotten that. I have added that comment to the list.

[Julia]

Speaking of Dr Glen Davies, there is a register of homeopathic practitioners on the website of the British Homeopathic Association (incorporating the Faculty of Homeopathy). Glen Davies isn't on it, and neither is Glen Davis, Glenn Davies or Glenn Davis - I checked because spelling isn't Gary's strong point. Just in case "Dr Glen Davies" is based outside the UK I looked up homeopaths in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa and the USA, all to no avail. It's not impossible that Glen Davies has been accidentally left off the register so I've dropped the BHA an e-mail to ask about this, but something tells me the gentleman is as imaginary as Manesh Naidoo.

[bindeweede]

Country: MANCHESTER

IP Address: ********

Date: 4 Jan 2008 16:25:58 GMT

Comment: i was with gary when abes first came through to him. he has since done healing on me. let me tell you, it was amazing and i would gladly reccomend this healing to anyone.

An impressive recommendation for Gary, don't you think.

(From his Abe Healing site)

[Sarama]

Well, do you think Gary Mannion is a total fraud, or not? His team makes huge amounts of money from him, no doubt. Genuine? Please!

I would certainly say so on the money front, bindeweede.
Money-making-machine team and Gary are "genuinely" fraudulent and doing fine for now as John offered earlier.
It will only be a matter of time before they find themselves on the wrong side of the law, or no longer under the radar.

[Mojo]

Speaking of Dr Glen Davies, there is a register of homeopathic practitioners on the website of the British Homeopathic Association (incorporating the Faculty of Homeopathy). Glen Davies isn't on it...

That would cover homoeopaths who are registered with and regulated by statutory regulatory bodies (e.g. registered doctors, vets etc). I've also checked the Society of Homeopaths, which is a body for other homoeopaths, and he doesn't seem to be on there either.

...and neither is Glen Davis, Glenn Davies or Glenn Davis - I checked because spelling isn't Gary's strong point.

I hadn't thought of that! I've tried the alternative spelling (and the "sounds like" option) on the GMC list, and still not found anything.

[bindeweede]

What depresses me - and I am becoming increasingly depressed by this whole issue - is that so many people seem to accept the claims of......what do you call them............paranormalists?.............with no questioning at all. And I am no philosopher or scientist.

So many of Mannion's claims have been shown to be false. And some of the stuff he said last week at St James's is idiotic. But it will make very little difference to the people who believe every word he says.

That must say something about the strange world we live in.

[Admin]

What depresses me - and I am becoming increasingly depressed by this whole issue - is that so many people seem to accept the claims of......what do you call them............paranormalists?.............with no questioning at all. And I am no philosopher or scientist.

So many of Mannion's claims have been shown to be false. And some of the stuff he said last week at St James's is idiotic. But it will make very little difference to the people who believe every word he says.

It's one of the hardest things to deal with as a skeptic. You have to start looking at people and why they believe rather than what they believe to get to some sort of grips with it.

Belief and fact don't need to tie up. You can give someone who believes in something completely untenable (like Mannion's claims) a completely rock solid argument, backed up with rock solid evidence to show that their belief must be false - but they'll just believe anyway and probably resort to calling you closed-minded for not agreeing.

They may agree that a claim doesn't make any logical sense; but they'll believe it all the same. People believe a lot of things for emotional rather than factual reasons and if they want it to be true then they're prepared to believe it is, despite the contradictory evidence.

I think it's important not to let this aspect of human behaviour allow skeptics to become overly negative though. There are people who believe irrational things but who do change their minds when things are explained clearly to them.

[Julia]

That would cover homoeopaths who are registered with and regulated by statutory regulatory bodies (e.g. registered doctors, vets etc). I've also checked the Society of Homeopaths, which is a body for other homoeopaths, and he doesn't seem to be on there either.



I hadn't thought of that! I've tried the alternative spelling (and the "sounds like" option) on the GMC list, and still not found anything.

Thanks for that, Mojo - I must have overlooked the Society of Homeopaths, or perhaps I only gave it a homeopathic amount of attention. I think it's reasonable to assume that:

a) Dr Davies is too shy to have his name included on any register of doctors
b) Dr Davies is a doctor of philosophy, not medicine
c) Dr Davies isn't a doctor at all
d) Dr Davies is a figment of Gary's lively imagination

I think I'll put my money on d), but if Gary can produce Dr Davies I'll eat my words...

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I think I'll put my money on d), but if Gary can produce Dr Davies I'll eat my words...

For some reason that conjures an image of Gary wearing glasses and a false beard. 8)