Apologies if this subject has been discussed before, i did a search but couldn't find a similar thread
I have been watching the sixth sense with colin fry. most of what he says is just cold reading but some of the information seems very specific. does anybody know where he gets the specific info from? are the people in the audience asked to fill out forms about themselves or does he get his people to mingle with the audience to find out about them?
You missed Googling as well
Thanks, i did trying googling but all the sites i found like this one http://www.tonyyouens.com/colinfry.htm say its all cold reading. i don't think it can just be cold reading, some of the information seems too specific. i think he could be using the same trick peter popoff used
Don't those progammes have very small audiences?
I'm in no doubt he knows an awful lot about his audience. The 'honour' of being chosen to go on the show is a big advantage for him, people must be desperate to provide him with information.
Well I don't know for sure but I can hazzard a guess
When Colin Fry records in Bournemouth in November I confidently predict there will be a woman in the audience.
I'm getting a J
Something like Jane but not Jane Janette! Yes Janette. Janette, you're local aren't you Janette, from near here. yes? Yes I knew you were from <blank> So what is the significance to you of the number 8?
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/forums/sho...hreadid=147805
Then there's the upcoming show in Essex. There will be another woman in the audience.
The message I've got is for someone who's travelled travelled a long way to be here. From overseas. Her name is something like Terry. Up the back there Teresa is it. Yes you. Don't be shy. Telle veryone where you've come from today?
Ireland! - well I don't need to be psychic to tell that {cheap laugh at accent}
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question...0105612AAFzGwT
And I see a wedding in your future? yes It's Your wedding? or per... Yes its Your Wedding and is he here today? No I can tell you he loves you so much. {pause for applause} yes it's a realy sprititual love.
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question...0102933AA1Zt7O
Now Teresa you're converned about a pain aren't you {coyly} in your down belows. Is that right?
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question...4044943AAB4qGP
Well I'm not a doctor so I'm completely unqualified to give you any medical advice, I mean fuggit I'm not even a medium, I'm an exposed fraud but that's not going to stop me risking your life in order to make a few measly quid....
Apologies - I shouldn't post before my second cuppaOriginally Posted by kennbarlow
What I meant was you can get a lot of information about people on the internet just from a name and address. Even more if they use one of the popular networking sites like Myspace or facebook, maybe even a blog...
cheers guys!i didn't know you could find out so much about people on google
Keep in mind his TV show is heavily edited too.
The misses are cut out, and the hits left in.
So what mayjust be a random guess that hits, will seem like amazing proof of his powers.
The truth is he uses cold reading and probably a bit of hot reading too
That may well be true, that the misses are edited out, though he seemed pretty accurate when I saw him 'live'. The message he gave me was certainly very accurate.
But cold reading: 'Why do I see a man wearing a balaclava and pajamas?'
Answer from woman in audience: 'That was the outfit my father wore when he was doing decorating!'
Another 'cold reading': 'She's chasing someone down the street with a wooden paddle used for agitating the laundry'
Answer from woman in audience (laughing at the memory): 'That's right, my mother did do that on one occasion'.
An many similar messages. You couldn't make it up - there must be something going on whether it's telepathy or messages from the Other Side.
You wouldn't find such information by googling someone - come on, get real!
If they were plants, or had given the information to Colin beforehand, why has nobody exposed this fraud to the tabloids? They'd get paid well for such an expose.
Sorry Tony but these do not constitute anything but 'cold reading' I can relate directly to the second example as I am sure a lot of people could to some degree.
Were I a believer I could also bend some memories to fit the first example; in fact my nephew wore something similar last night whilst he was 'hiding' from me ( in the way small kids think if they cover their eyes you cant see them) last night as I put him to bed. It was not a balaclava but a 'thomas the tank engine' hat pulled over his eyes. However if I believed I could twist the story to fit 'me'.
If he was to say "person 'x', I see your father 'y' painting whilst wearing pyjamas and a balaclava" it would be slightly more plausible, though not proof or unexplainable.
Emmm, see Derek Acorah and Kreed Kafer. See the Colin Fry trumpet incident.See stopsylviabrowne.com. See BadPsychics.com. See Watchdog the other night. Plenty of minor media coverage of how fraudulent psychics are.
The truth is the tabloids couldn't care about psychics. Exposing psychics is a niche market. They have plenty of other fish to fry.
Just because we don't see them being exposed weekly in The Sun, doesn't mean they aren't complete cons.
If you think Colin Fry is doing something psychically, you aren't aware of the ability of cold reading combined with basic human psychology, to delude even the smartest of people.
Sylvia Browne - fraudulent medium who writes science fiction books and pretends they are accurate descriptions of 'the afterlife'.Emmm, see Derek Acorah and Kreed Kafer. See the Colin Fry trumpet incident.
The truth is the tabloids couldn't care about psychics. Exposing psychics is a niche market. They have plenty of other fish to fry.
Just because we don't see them being exposed weekly in The Sun, doesn't mean they aren't complete cons.
If you think Colin Fry is doing something psychically, you aren't aware of the ability of cold reading combined with basic human psychology, to delude even the smartest of people.
Derek Acorah/Sally Morgan - I have yet to be convinced they are genuine mediums. The jury's still out for me with these two.
'Lincoln'/Colin Fry trumpet incident - now 16 years ago, when he was very inexperienced. He claims it was a mischievous entity called Daniel who was responsible. This is of course quite ridiculous if you rule out the possibility of an afterlife. It you admit to the possibility, then it is plausible.
Whatever, I don't see how Colin's very specific messages can be 'cold reading'.
Nor does 'cold reading' even begin to explain messages which have come straight into my head from my deceased life-partner. I asked him to help me find some negatives - next day he told me to look in my larder of all places, and I found them on the top shelf. Another time he told me to look in another cupboard to find a Walkman cover I didn't even know existed - I found it. When I was writing him a post-humous letter I said 'should I stop writing these letters' and next day I got the answer via one of his records which I suddenly had the urge to pull from his collection blindly and at random, without looking at the sleeve, artist or track titles. Immediately Dorothy Squires' voice answered my question by saying my letters kept us 'near while apart'. Coincidence? Well yes, if you accept coincidence after coiincidence after coincidence.
It seems to me it is hardened skeptics who are deluding themselves by refusing to look at the evidence objectively.
Last edited by tkingdoll; 16th November 2008 at 02:09 PM.
don't forget the fact that her books contradict each other regularly
If they were genuine, it should be 100% obvious immediately, the fact that you doubt them shows that their abilities are not genuine.
Either you're a medium or not - inexperienced shouldn't come into it. Either he can cause these things to happen, or he cheats. He was caught cheating. Even the afterlife can't explain that away.
You'd be surprised. I suggest you look up cold reading and watch Derren brown at work. You can get VERY specific things from cold reading, as well as confirmation biases on the part of the readee.
No they don't, but simple psychology does. How many times have you heard this voice and not found / done what the voice said? People remember hits and forget misses. it's a proven psychological phenomena - no paranormal ability needed.
Skeptics have no emotional investment in if these phenomena exist or not - we look at the evidence and don't see what you do, as you are emotionally involved and invested in it and see what you want to see, regardless of evidence.
That's a prime example of how Cold Reading works!!!
The 'psychics' throws out a question containing some information that has no context.
The audience member (one of many who could make it fit) supplies the meaning and adds more information including context.
The audience member will later recall this incident and say something like this: "the psychic told me about my father and the afterlife must be true because he mentioned the time he was decorating in his balaclava and pyjamas - something the psychic couldn't possibly have known".
That's how the trick of Cold Reading works. It's the client who provides the meaning and context to the reading (!)
What is said and what is remembered are usually quite different. This is why I asked for a recording of your reading from Colin Fry.
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Tony,
Have you much experience of dealing with skeptics so far, or are you just assuming that they are like this? The people here deal with logic and reason, they don't take a position and stick to it rigidly even in the face or overwhelming evidence. We've seen all these claims before, and there is nothing in your claims that are new. Hence why a recording or transcript would be of interest. There is nothing as infallible as the human mind - and that is difficult for a lot of people to appreciate fully.
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