Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine

[davron]

Something went bang in the night, it is a disgusting time in the morning and I cannot sleep:sad:.

Sarama I understand what you say but a few things come to mind
1 by introducing Tibetanway Bowe subverted this thread. People are no longer interested in the truth of Hansard, it gets Hansard off the knife.

2 you make an assumption that proximity to Hansard means people were involved with him, very Bowe like.

3 this statment Do I suspect I will get a genuine answer if I contact these people directly? No, to be honest, I suspect not as they were former colleagues of CH's and I strongly suspect Mrs. Wright is more than a little distraught at having her affair exposed all over the internet, and we have yet to establish her involvement in any abuse that appears to have taken place over CH's seemingly many years of practice.

4 so when you do contact them you wont belive them anyway? Will you resort to the Bowe method of 'demanding they issue statments endorsed by lawyers and will you respect that statment? Do I suspect I will get a genuine answer if I contact these people directly? No,

5 Given that you have pushed them and Tibetan Way in a corner by say you will not belive them, branded Lane as possiblly involved in Hansards abuse. What do you expect them to say, If they say anything will you listen?

Tibetan Way stated early on NO ONE contacted them, they were faced with an assult on 4 sides from Bowes blogs and Rick Ross postings. This thread is in danger of doing the same thing. Kris Krowe has been around the world and knows things, Chris Farmer sounds like a good man. They vouch for Tibetan Way.

Has anyone here contacted Lane? I could but I am in the stick end of nowhere listening to things go bang. If I do contact him would you belive what I post?

So Hansard escaps by Bowes efforts and the Pizza Guru sildes from the stage very cleverly pushed by Flying Saucer Man. Enter one company doing charity work and two bit palyers, they take the fall.

Davron

[Sarama]

3 this statment Do I suspect I will get a genuine answer if I contact these people directly? No, to be honest, I suspect not as they were former colleagues of CH's and I strongly suspect Mrs. Wright is more than a little distraught at having her affair exposed all over the internet, and we have yet to establish her involvement in any abuse that appears to have taken place over CH's seemingly many years of practice.

3. apprentice was an associate of Hansard's just to give you a clue of the company he kept and who kept him in practice apparently with the knowledge that he was sleeping with patients (?)



4 so when you do contact them you wont belive them anyway? Will you resort to the Bowe method of 'demanding they issue statments endorsed by lawyers and will you respect that statment? Do I suspect I will get a genuine answer if I contact these people directly? No, 4. refer to #3 above. I am also saying that CF is not alone in having faced such harassment. Do we really want to harass anyone and everyone that Bowes directs us to? I am saying if they want or feel the need to defend themselves then I am sure they will do so just as CF has done.



5 Given that you have pushed them and Tibetan Way in a corner by say you will not belive them, branded Lane as possiblly involved in Hansards abuse. What do you expect them to say, If they say anything will you listen?5. Slow down Davron, I have not pushed TW in the corner, and certainly not CF. I have an absolute profound sympathy for CF and sincerely feel that he was perhaps not given the full or truthful story of what he was getting himself into when he apparently consented to sell his clients products on an otherwise great site.



Tibetan Way stated early on NO ONE contacted them, they were faced with an assult on 4 sides from Bowes blogs and Rick Ross postings. This thread is in danger of doing the same thing. Kris Krowe has been around the world and knows things, Chris Farmer sounds like a good man. They vouch for Tibetan Way. Please refer to #5. Please be clear that cornering CF is not my intention, on the contrary. CF has been put in a position of defending his own reputation by his own clients who could have saved him an awful lot of grief by telling him the truth, or at the very least not using all the same text, tags, labels, and concepts as Christopher Hansard.



So Hansard escaps by Bowes efforts and the Pizza Guru sildes from the stage very cleverly pushed by Flying Saucer Man. Enter one company doing charity work and two bit palyers, they take the fall.
DavronYou're right, Bowes has gone off topic to say the least, but he never seemed the least bit concerned about the more serious allegations of abuse in the first place. His intentions were always made clear. He wanted nothing more then to promote peoples own skepticism, to have them at the very least question Hansard's authority and to prove that CH did not have any such credentials as those being advertised in not only various websites, news columns and magazines, but in 2 books as well. If Bowes is correct, that makes the alleged abuses far worse, as CH's clients and even apprentices were reeled in to him under false pretenses. I believe that makes another case for fraud.

So in short, I am not defending Bowes, nor is it my intention to offend Chris Farmer, but I am questioning who is behind the sales of the products that CF is taking the "flack" for as mahakala offered. Why would they involve their website host and have him defend them and their products? Why, knowing that there is even the slightest controversy surrounding CH's credentials would they even attempt to pass off his products or those of an American's in a Tibetan website? Why would they not at the very least have the decency to write their own words and give credit where credit is due, which is to a formulator in the states who actually holds real credentials?

[Sarama]

Furthermore Davron,

I strongly feel this needs to be settled in court. Please correct me if I am wrong but is it not the responsibility of the police to protect the public? How can they do that if no one is submitting their complaints? Hansard has all but abandoned his original websites and claims, and is no longer associating himself with Tibet or Bon, or any other credentials besides those of "healer" and author. Therefore all those patients who invested in what they were sold as a Physician of Tibetan Medicine could be entitled to some form of remuneration.

[mahakala]

Furthermore Davron,

I strongly feel this needs to be settled in court. Please correct me if I am wrong but is it not the responsibility of the police to protect the public? How can they do that if no one is submitting their complaints? Hansard has all but abandoned his original websites and claims, and is no longer associating himself with Tibet or Bon, or any other credentials besides those of "healer" and author. Therefore all those patients who invested in what they were sold as a Physician of Tibetan Medicine could be entitled to some form of remuneration.

My understanding is that if anyone invested significant time or money, or made major life decisions because of Hansard's fraud, it is called 'false pretense' and he is liable. Those people who were with him for ten years or more have a major case against him. He deserves to answer for it.

[KrisKrowe]

Sarama

"Allo allo allo allo"

Ian Hunter Once Bitten Twice Shy

Bloody hell I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition

People have always said I have a pretty warped imagination but you guys are getting me well confused.

Conspiracy on top of conspiracy on top of conspiracy.


I'm genuinely worried that CF is being wined and dined and possibly stuck full of cigars.

Love it So would he so long as theyre Monte Cristo. Actually hes gone a bit weird on that front. Seems hes been getting back into pipes (real pipes and normal tobacco not the dodgy blends:smiley:). Something to do with living in Denmark years ago.


You're a good friend and CF is lucky to have you.


I think its the other way round. Im lucky to have met CF when I was just getting started in the music biz.


vaidya is right KK and Dav, they are not Tibetan Herbal formulas. mahakala directed us to some herbal formulas being sold stateside. The packages that TW is selling and the ones being sold by WR are the same, different wrapping.

Theres too much here to deal with after only 2 mugs of coffee. Im gonna have to do my own digging round today and check out some of this.

1 question. How long have people known that these meds were being made or sold Stateside?

KK

[KrisKrowe]

Has anyone here contacted Lane? I could but I am in the stick end of nowhere listening to things go bang. If I do contact him would you belive what I post?

So Hansard escaps by Bowes efforts and the Pizza Guru sildes from the stage very cleverly pushed by Flying Saucer Man. Enter one company doing charity work and two bit palyers, they take the fall.

Dav

Like I said to Sarama Im gonna do my own digging today. I'll be speaking to Chris later and give him a heads up on whats occuring here.

I'll try and get in touch with this Lane geezer and ask him Whats the story.

Yeah the Hansard bit is funny Not. Bowe said he was only involved cos of CH and Bon but hes said nothing more about him anywhere and has been attacking Chris and TW instead. AFAIK theyve got no connection with this Bon stuff so whats the story there. Like I said conspiracy on top of conspiracy.

Theres some weird stuff going on here and a lot of hidden agendas. I WILL find out whats occuring. Whatever it takes.

Try and get some sleep. A bergen makes a good pillow.;)

KK

[Sarama]

Sarama

"Allo allo allo allo"

Ian Hunter Once Bitten Twice Shy

Bloody hell I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition

1 question. How long have people known that these meds were being made or sold Stateside?

KK

Thanks for the good humour KK. I am not sure how long they have been for sale, but it seems the formulator has been in business since 1975 according their site. The other thing to consider then is whether or not this gent is entitled to any of the money of the sales of the products it seem he originally formulated? I am not sure how that works when things are purchased through liquidation, nor am I well versed in copyright law such as who originally wrote the text and named them.

[mahakala]

My understanding is that supplements, herbs etc. are in the public domain, so to speak. Formulas cannot be trademarked. Trophic or Willard or Hansard or whomever could only have a possible lein on the packaging, brandname and so forth. Willard lost the rights to the Wildrose name a long time ago because he didn't read or understand the fine print when he first went into manufacturing. That's why Trophic owns it now. The same could have happened to Hansard.

[KrisKrowe]

Sarama


Thanks for the good humour KK. I am not sure how long they have been for sale, but it seems the formulator has been in business since 1975 according their site.

I think a bit of humour is essential.

You didnt quite get my question. It wasnt how long have the meds been on sale in the US but how long have people in these forums known about it.

I had a chat with Chris yesterday and he may pop up here when he has time.

TW will also be appearing here someday soon so you can talk to them direct. Like I said they brought someone in just to handle all this Bowe Web stuff so theyll be joining up here.

BTW Ive sent you a private message.

KK

[mahakala]

The products were on sale a few years ago under the name of Christopher Hansard. But he went bankrupt. The products showed up a month or two ago on Tibetan Way and that is when people here started talking about it. Perhaps Chris Farmer can speak to how long the recent incarnation of products has been circulating.

How come Hansard is getting away with all his deceptions? Does anyone know?

[vaidya]

Bowes motivations are pretty clear to me. Hes an evil frustrated wannabe.

Wannabe. He wants people to think hes oh so clever and expert but he cant back it up. He wants to be a big fish in a small pond like the RR forum. He was doing pretty well there till he picked on people with the cojones to fight back.

Frustrated. Hes frustrated cos no-one in the real world wants to listen to his crap. All the Tibetan orgs contacted by TW think hes a nutter.

Evil. He steals peoples identities and writes lies in their name. Just check out his blog (big thanx to Dav for the alert on that one) Hes posted there using Chris's name. Yeah theres some weasel worded small print to try and get himself off the hook but who reads the small print?

If you want to know about Bowes motivations you should keep checking those links. TW have got the full SP on him and its all going to come out. They are all pretty peaceful people but theyve had enough and they want to make sure he doesnt do this to anyone else.
KK I find these kind of statements suspicious. You don't know Hansard (unless you are him) and you don't know Bowe. Bowe is hardly evil, whatever else you might want to say. His primary thesis is that Hansard lied about his training and experiences and duped a large group of people through his personal charisma and juju. People sought him out and received treatment, confided very personal details of their lives - essentially, gave themselves to this "teacher", only to find that their confidences were betrayed through his fraud. From my reading, Bowe has been involved in Tibetan issues before he went after Hansard, and I can only guess that he has enough time and inclination to target Hansard for his fraudulent deceptions. If it weren't for Hansard we wouldn't be discussing Bowe, so all of you need to take a chill pill. It is clear that very few of you have any personal experience with Hansard and the dysfunctionality that surrounded him, and yet time is spent attacking Bowe. I think y'all need to refocus.



Youd have a point if they hadnt made it clear that the products are not Tibetan. They wrote all the Tibetan stuff cos they were going to be selling a load of stuff from Tibet and Nepal. They would be now if Bowe hadn't been wasting their time. Ive got no problem with your comment but you havent seen the whole pic yet.Another very suspicious statement. Why name your website "Tibetan Way" if none of your products are Tibetan? What if I set up a website called Skeptic Universe and peddled homeopathic remedies? Might some of you get annoyed at this? I am also very tired of cultural appropriation, and Tibetan Way very much seems to be following in the mold established by Hansard. And given that they are selling the very same products formulated for Hansard (he clearly couldn't formulate himself), the entire enterprise should be called into question.




I know b*gg*r all bout Tibetan Medicine but I can read. If the Dalai Lama says that herb is Tibetan and used in their medicine thats enuff for me. Youve agreed its used that way so the big question is why did Bowe say it wasnt and say that the Dalai Lama's people agreed with him?Bowe didn't mention just one herb, did he? Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error, although I am very confident that the Tibetans do not use prepared Chinese Angelica, which is stir-fried in rice wine, and is the herb used in this formula. So one small item in Bowe's criticism was wrong - but does this discount the rest? Bowe is absolutely correct that the Tibetan Way formulas are in large part Wild Rose knock offs.



Ive spent years in the music biz so I know a bit about cynical marketing. Bottom line is TW are already giving money to charities that do work for Tibet. If you start giving money away to things like that I dont think thats a cynical marketing ploy. If you dig round on the TW site theres a lot more there than just selling and theyre paying for all that. I have my doubts about their integrity. In their "About Us" section, they state:

"Tibetan medicine is a science, art and philosophy that provides a comprehensive approach to life-care. In this the image of the Medicine Buddha is a typical example, contemplation upon the face of the Buddha is said to aid the trouble mind, yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera). The fruit of this tree was used to prepare elixirs of health. The myrobalam contains a remarkable amount of vitamin C and associated antioxidants. A thousand years before the western world was aware Tibetan doctors were prescribing vitamin C as part of a health tonic. "

This is clearly an indication of their fraudulent knowledge, since the myrobalan tree is actually Terminalia chebula. The entire statement is stupid, because Terminalia doesn't contain vitamin C. That would be Phyllanthus emblica, which the bhaishajyaguru (medicine buddha) does not hold.

I see no evidence that they support Tibetan causes apart from appropriating elements Tibetan culture. Tibetan Way is a highly suspicious site and should be avoided by all.

[mahakala]

I'm beginning to understand why there is a need for "scepticism" in the UK these days.

The question that intrigues me is this: why and who is imitating Hansard's misrepresentation?

I mean......hasn't that stone had enough water squeazed out of it?

Or is this a case of, it was done to me so I'm going to do it to others?

[Sarama]

You don't know Hansard (unless you are him) and you don't know Bowe.

Vaidya, please refrain from bringing the hysteria over from the Rick Ross site to here.

While you bring up some good points, your above comment has no place here. Please try to state your point of view without the usual bashing and back-biting that those on the Rick Ross have grown so accustomed to. That sort of behaviour proved detrimental there, and will only serve to do the same elsewhere.

Try to keep dialogue open by remaining open to others points of view or at least debating them directly, not name-calling. I personally do not want to see what happened there, happen here. You have assumed that Kris and others here have never had any experience with CH, but just as you offered in a previous posting on the Cult Forum,
you don't know anything about me or my life the same should be applied here. This tactic is so often used by those trolling to draw people out, or scatter the discussion which is being done somewhat effectively already.
Let's try to put down our opinions and impart our knowledge without reverting to superstition and suspicion shall we?

In your own fine words
I think y'all need to refocus.

I really do not wish to see this turn into another experiment on human mob psychology, and after your own experience in Rick Ross, I would suspect that neither would you. Hope I'm correct? :undecided:

[Rupert Green]

Dear Geoffrey,

Sorry should I have called you Jeff instead or should I have called you vaidya? I have been watching the places where you are active and wondered when and where you would turn up again.

This is your old nemesis Rupert Green. It is my determination to stalk you across the Internet, leaving little gobbets of troll like dung, but this dung contains the truth. I have had the remarkably good fortune to meet many Nepalese people and refugees from Tibet. When I was informed of how are you deserted the Tibetan refugees I was appalled. To pretend to be an expert witness, to prepare biased and ill informed documents, to quote yourself as a primary source and no other. Is this the act of an expert on Tibet? No it is the act of charlatan, which you were branded in the courts, and a dreamer of the worst kind. One who would allow others to suffer for his own obsessions and madness. The one good service you did for the Tibetan refugees was failing to turn up in court in the first place. They were lucky that the courts looked kindly upon them and allowed them to stay within the UK. Had you been there no doubt they would have been deported, the court hearing ripped all of your evidence to shreds and stated that you were charlatan. That brand my friend will be burned into your forehead like the mark Cain for eternity

So Geoffrey it's time for you to think up yet another alias and try and sneak back into yet another forum and create havoc. Fortunately the inmates of this particular asylum are not abused individuals, neither do you have that remarkably odious character Richard Ross on your side as well. The people here are far too intelligent, articulate and informed to fall for your little tricks.

Yours as ever

Rupert Green

Dear Skeptics,

I do apologise for the little outburst above. I must confess I have joined this forum with the sole reason of making our dear Geoffrey understand that he in turn is being watched. The man is an odious little toerag. I have no interest in Tibetan Way or the other arguments placed around it. But I do have issues with a man who lies in court with the sole purpose of personal aggrandisement at the potential cost of others' lives.

[KrisKrowe]

Vaidya


KK I find these kind of statements suspicious. You don't know Hansard (unless you are him) and you don't know Bowe.

I dont know Hansard and if you go and look me up on the Web you will see Im not Hansard. Unless Hansard really does have spooky powers and can shape shift. A quick check tells me Hansard was in NZ while I was in a band in the UK. Maybe Hansard can bilocate as well. If hes that powerful then you and Bowe will be in trouble for attacking him.>:D

Its comments like yours that make me suspicious. Chris has already been accused by Bowe of being Hansard and now you are accusing me. Try checking things before you start accusing.


Bowe is hardly evil, whatever else you might want to say.

I dont know Bowe but I can read and I can hear. So yeah he is evil. If someone stole your identity youd probly think that was pretty bad. If someone went round telling lies about you what would you call that person. Making up stories about the Dalai Lama aint exactly honest is it?

Ive seen all the stuff TW have got on him and when they put it all online you need to go and check that. Seems like he spends all day making other peoples lives hell so Id call that evil.

I don't kno Bowe personally but Ive seen people like him before. Armchair generals sending people out to die while they sit at home. Thats evil.


His primary thesis is that Hansard lied about his training and experiences

I dont know if Hansard lied about his training and I dont care. Bowe may be right or he may be wrong. I got involved cos this worthless turkey started attacking one of my mates. I dont care if Bowe attacks Hansard and vice versa until Hell freezes over but start attacking my mates and lying about them then I do care.


From my reading, Bowe has been involved in Tibetan issues before he went after Hansard, and I can only guess that he has enough time and inclination to target Hansard for his fraudulent deceptions.

If you believe that then you must have been reading Bowes scribblings. He and his badboys are the only ones who think Bowe has any real involvement with Tibet. If I gave Chris £5 for a Tibetan charity then Id have done more then and there than Bowes done for Tibet in his entire life. What hes done is spend years attacking everyone who has anything to do with Tibet incl the Dalai Lama and the Tibet gov.


If it weren't for Hansard we wouldn't be discussing Bowe, so all of you need to take a chill pill.

If it werent for Bowe and his lies I would be in my studio rather than here so shove the chill pill.


Another very suspicious statement. Why name your website "Tibetan Way" if none of your products are Tibetan? What if I set up a website called Skeptic Universe and peddled homeopathic remedies?

I dont have a website called Tibetan Way so I dont know what your on about. Maybe you wanna check your facts B4 you start writing. If you want to sell homoepathic meds feel free and call it what you want. I think you think you are talking to someone who cares. The worlds falling apart round us and you think I care about what you call your company. Bowe might but I dont.


And given that they are selling the very same products formulated for Hansard (he clearly couldn't formulate himself), the entire enterprise should be called into question.

If Hansard didnt formulate the products then whats the connection with Hansard and TW. Why suggest I might be CH. Why did Bowe suggest Chris was CH. Seems to me that a lot of people have known all along that these meds had nothing to do with CH but just went after TW for the fun of it. A bit of sport maybe. Now thats what I call evil.


Bowe didn't mention just one herb, did he?

Yeah Bowe did mention just one herb. I just went and looked for myself. It aint difficult. His BS blog dated 26 June 2008 he says

"They state that the central active ingredient of 'Woman's Choice' (which retails at a price of £17.50) is a herb called Dong Quai. This is what Tibetan Way claim:

"The primary botanical in Woman’s Choice is Dong Quai (Angelica sinensis), used in traditional Tibetan medicine for thousands of years."

I approached the Tibetan Medical and Astrology Institute of HH the Dalai Lama, who are the premier and authoritive source of knowledge and training in Tibetan medicine.

The response was clear, their Director stated that, "this herb is not commonly used in traditional Tibetan Medicine"."

And its that last quote thats the prob aint it. Either the Dalai Lama knows nothing about Tibetan medicine and his website is wrong (Seems a bit unlikely dont it) Or Bowe just made that last bit up. Like Ive said Evil.


Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error, although I am very confident that the Tibetans do not use prepared Chinese Angelica, which is stir-fried in rice wine, and is the herb used in this formula.

Yeah well thats the prob aint it. Bowe is always quick to the punch So quick he doesnt check his facts and attacks the wrong people. The Dalai Lama site says that stuff is used in Tibetan meds so I dont kno what the stirfry bit is about.


So one small item in Bowe's criticism was wrong - but does this discount the rest?

Problem with Bowe is that he contradicts himself so often its difficult to kno what he really believes. He likes to tell the world hes this great researcher but if he cant be bothered to check his facts then can you believe his research. Bowes been asked over and over again to explain how he has all this info and where he trained but he wont answer cos there is no answer and there is no knowledge. Bowe is what he has accussed everyone else of being.


I have my doubts about their integrity. In their "About Us" section, they state:

"Tibetan medicine is a science, art and philosophy that provides a comprehensive approach to life-care. In this the image of the Medicine Buddha is a typical example, contemplation upon the face of the Buddha is said to aid the trouble mind, yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera). The fruit of this tree was used to prepare elixirs of health. The myrobalam contains a remarkable amount of vitamin C and associated antioxidants. A thousand years before the western world was aware Tibetan doctors were prescribing vitamin C as part of a health tonic. "

This is clearly an indication of their fraudulent knowledge, since the myrobalan tree is actually Terminalia chebula. The entire statement is stupid, because Terminalia doesn't contain vitamin C. That would be Phyllanthus emblica, which the bhaishajyaguru (medicine buddha) does not hold.

Looking at your quote from the TW site theyve spelt the fruit two different ways so maybe its just a spelling mistake. One quick search on the Web and I found this.

http://holisticonline.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h123.htm

where is it says

"Name: Indian Gooseberry

Other Names:Emblic myrobalan

It contains 30 times the amount of Vitamin C found in oranges."

Looks like your doing your research in the same place as Bowe. How can I find this info in a few seconds and you cant. Specially with a name like vaidya ((Sanskrit) "Versed in science; learned; a doctor." - Took me a few more sconds to find that)


I see no evidence that they support Tibetan causes apart from appropriating elements Tibetan culture.

Just cos they dont advertise the money their giving to charity doesnt mean that they aint supporting Tibet. At least they dont run and hide like Bowe when asked to do something to help.


Tibetan Way is a highly suspicious site and should be avoided by all.

Why are they suspicious? because you say so. You seem to have the same arrogance as Bowe. Talk a load of crap and expect everyone to believe it. Funny you disappeared from the Ross forum just before Bowe arrived and now you pop up here defending him.

Id say vaidya is highly suspicious and should be avoided.

KK

"You don't have to be afraid till I -until I come to get you.
And child in time on the swords edge you ride and cast a spell of heresy
And die in vain like a wild dog in chains and no-one can save or set you free"

W.A.S.P. The Heretic (The Lost Child)

[mahakala]

Vaidya is not Jeff Bowe. Vaidya is a Canadian herbalist. Bowe appears to have gone into hiding, since a couple of people I have heard from have been unable to contact him. Presumeably he's found a bolthole somewhere. Maybe he's rooming with Ross now; after all, they seem so tight.

[KrisKrowe]

mahakala


Vaidya is not Jeff Bowe. Vaidya is a Canadian herbalist. Bowe appears to have gone into hiding, since a couple of people I have heard from have been unable to contact him. Presumeably he's found a bolthole somewhere. Maybe he's rooming with Ross now; after all, they seem so tight.

Thanx for the heads up.

I'll take your word for that but I gotta say I find that posting well suspicious.

Its pretty easy to find me on the Web and its pretty obvious from all thats out there that I aint Hansard. It should be obvious to anyone that can read English that I have nuthin to do with Tibetan Way so asking me questions about that and saying its my site is pretty stupid.

And whats with all the defending Bowe.

"Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error"

How can that can be true. Bowe claimed that he'd talked to the Dalai Lama's office and theyd dissed TWs facts about that herb when all along the Dalai Lama's website said it was used in Tibetan meds. Thats not an error thru being too quick. Its just BS

I said before too many conspiracys on top of more conspiracys and thats whats happening here now. The Ross forum was bad enuff and Sarama's right. Its not needed here as well.

Looking at the posting from Rupert it looks like Im not the only one round here who thinks that vaidya's posting is dodgy.

As for Bowe like Chris said You can run but you cant hide. Im not the only one who knows exactly where Bowe is and what hes up to. By the time TW have finished exposing him hes gonna have a lot of people after him. Yeah he should be rooming with Ross Theyre joined at the hip.

Ive just about had enough of all this crap. These people have picked on the wrong people and I aint just gonna sit back and watch them wrecking peoples lives. Bowe wants to be famous but by the time Ive finished infamous will be a better word.

Thanx again and thnx to vaidya for the inspiration. Im off to my studio to do a bit of recording and prove that I aint Hansard.

KK

To anyone that thinks Im someone else sleep on this.

"Free from the pit free to run wild ; free to destroy free to defile
we are destruction stench of the mould; We're coming for you; for your soul"

Krowe / Deliverance: Troopers Of Death. (yeah Im quoting myself for a change but Bowes always quoting himself so why not>:D)

[vaidya]

mahakala



Thanx for the heads up.

I'll take your word for that but I gotta say I find that posting well suspicious.

Its pretty easy to find me on the Web and its pretty obvious from all thats out there that I aint Hansard. It should be obvious to anyone that can read English that I have nuthin to do with Tibetan Way so asking me questions about that and saying its my site is pretty stupid.

And whats with all the defending Bowe.

"Not being a herbalist and being a little too quick to the punch he made an error"

How can that can be true. Bowe claimed that he'd talked to the Dalai Lama's office and theyd dissed TWs facts about that herb when all along the Dalai Lama's website said it was used in Tibetan meds. Thats not an error thru being too quick. Its just BS

I said before too many conspiracys on top of more conspiracys and thats whats happening here now. The Ross forum was bad enuff and Sarama's right. Its not needed here as well.

Looking at the posting from Rupert it looks like Im not the only one round here who thinks that vaidya's posting is dodgy.

As for Bowe like Chris said You can run but you cant hide. Im not the only one who knows exactly where Bowe is and what hes up to. By the time TW have finished exposing him hes gonna have a lot of people after him. Yeah he should be rooming with Ross Theyre joined at the hip.

Ive just about had enough of all this crap. These people have picked on the wrong people and I aint just gonna sit back and watch them wrecking peoples lives. Bowe wants to be famous but by the time Ive finished infamous will be a better word.

Thanx again and thnx to vaidya for the inspiration. Im off to my studio to do a bit of recording and prove that I aint Hansard.

KK

To anyone that thinks Im someone else sleep on this.

"Free from the pit free to run wild ; free to destroy free to defile
we are destruction stench of the mould; We're coming for you; for your soul"

Krowe / Deliverance: Troopers Of Death. (yeah Im quoting myself for a change but Bowes always quoting himself so why not>:D)

you have simply proved my point: that you, davron, sarama etc - who really know _nothing_ of the subject upon which you opine; who accuse various pseudonyms of being various personages as i did with you - are really just a random collection disembodied talking heads that are content to do nothing more than examine the admixture of secretions that emanate from your various orifices

what is suspicious is why you have a hard-on for jeff bowe kk, and why you need to "get" him, when the _subject at hand_ is christopher hansard

tell me dav, sarama, and kk - do you _actually_ know hansard? do you _know_ bowe? do you know _any_ of the people involved? if your issue is jeff bowe, i suggest you Great Intellects to take it to another thread and leave this one alone

but you won't, because you can't help yourself

[vaidya]

Looking at your quote from the TW site theyve spelt the fruit two different ways so maybe its just a spelling mistake. One quick search on the Web and I found this.

XXX

where is it says

"Name: Indian Gooseberry

Other Names:Emblic myrobalan

It contains 30 times the amount of Vitamin C found in oranges."

Looks like your doing your research in the same place as Bowe. How can I find this info in a few seconds and you cant. Specially with a name like vaidya ((Sanskrit) "Versed in science; learned; a doctor." - Took me a few more sconds to find that)

*ahem* look again kk, tibetan way website states that "yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera)"

which, by your own "research" that should be really be Emblica officinalis, which is wrong again because it _really_ should be the chebulic myrobalan i.e. Terminalia chebula

a small sample of the "erudition" on display here...

[Rupert Green]

Vaidya

I see no reason to except that you are not Bowe as once again you are mocking the genuine intelligence of your fellow forum posters. The members on this site have tried to keep to the point, it is you who have employed your traditional tactics of disdain. Typical of your approach is to avoid answering any questions placed before you. Bowe only got one herb wrong.. Tibetanway only got one herb wrong. The one herb looks like a spelling mistake, yet on the net,Tankas and other material the spelling has many variants.

Mahakala claims you are Canadian herbalist, if you are why are you hiding behind that name? Your lack of a name gives you no more authority, possibly less, than Kris Krowe.



Rupert Green

[Sarama]

that you - are really just a random collection disembodied talking heads that are content to do nothing more than examine the admixture of secretions that emanate from your various orifices
Well good morning to you too vaidya

That little outburst was just about as pleasant as waking up to a pile of dirty dishes, - after a 24 year coma.

I personally find much more enjoyment and indeed entertainment in examining the admixture of detritus that seems to be spilling forth from your own orifice at the moment. Your mouth spilleth over in fact.

You claim a certain amount of familiarity with Hansard and his followers, so I should think that you would have no problem at all sticking to that subject and yet you are having a great deal of trouble doing just that.


are content to do nothing more

What exactly are you doing that you are so noticeably displeased that we are not vaidya? Are you capable of presenting your evident awareness of herbs and arguments without 1. diverting the thread? 2. personal attack?

How is it that as you yourself have asserted, you came to be so familiar with Hansard? Were you one of the apprentices that followed in a cult-like trance, consorted with, or took part in the very abuses that the apprentices are only now alleging after having been dismissed?
Are you one of the patients whose anger at not ever being afforded the space amidst the mob in RR to speak about your experiences is being displaced here? Or are you the formulator himself and that's what the apparent bee in your bonnet is all about?

Might I suggest you start again and share your knowledge and experience without engaging others in personal argument and attack. If you cannot, then I'm afraid your reasons for entering here are all too opaque and I'm getting tired of hearing it, but if you know the words, please feel free to sing along...


"to avert the thread"


..and now why would you want to do that?


tell me dav, sarama, and kk - do you actually know hansard? do you know bowe? do you know any of the people involved?
If you really must know, Kris and Hansard are drinking buddies, I am actually Bowe, and Davron is your second cousin. Quit trolling vaidya, take your own sage advice and stick to the subject or "focus ya'll".

[KrisKrowe]

Sarama


If you really must know, Kris and Hansard are drinking buddies, I am actually Bowe, and Davron is your second cousin. Quit trolling vaidya, take your own sage advice and stick to the subject or "focus ya'll".


Outstanding Youve made my day. You deserve a Deliverance T.

But I thought it was my turn to be Bowe today. If I dont get my turn I'll throw my toys outta the pram.:undecided:

Or was that yesterday. Ive been in the studio all night with too much caffeine so I dont know what day it is. Whatever Bowe Vaidya will soon have their own little KK track as the soundtrack to their nightmares.

I'll be in touch. Have a great one and keep smilin. Im laughing my head off after your comment. Off to my own reply to vaidya now.

KK

[KrisKrowe]

Vaidya


you have simply proved my point:

Actually I think you just proved my point. As for the rest of your rant in that para that writing looks a lot like Bowe the evil one to me.


what is suspicious is why you have a hard-on for jeff bowe kk, and why you need to "get" him

I can tell you right now I dont have a hard on for Bowe. But given Bowes own little cult and some of Davs comments about that mentality maybe Bowe would like it if I did. Hes outta luck and he makes me puke.

I dont "need" to get him but I will cos no matter what you say he is evil and deserves everything thats coming his way. Ive made my motives well clear in this forum and my blogs. Bowe attacked Chris Farmer who Ive known for 20 years. In my world mates watch each others backs and if you attack one of us then you attack all of us and thats a big no no. If you think thats supicious then go and read what Ive written. Ive got nuthin to hide but it looks like you do.


when the _subject at hand_ is christopher hansard

The subject at hand. Christopher Hansard. If thats the case then why are you attacking TW. Trouble is Bowe and Hansard now come as a pair. Bowes destroyed the Ross forum on Hansard with his ravings. No-ones posted there for over 2 weeks cos Bowe and the mod have driven everyone away. Looks to me like Bowes helping Hansard by diverting attention to Bon TW etc and you are doing the same here.


tell me dav, sarama, and kk - do you _actually_ know hansard? do you _know_ bowe? do you know _any_ of the people involved?

Do I know Hansard Do I know Bowe What would you do if I said yes. How does anyone know anyone else. If you cant meet them face to face then youve gotta read what theyve written. Ive read Bowes crap and so I know him well enuff.


if your issue is jeff bowe, i suggest you Great Intellects to take it to another thread and leave this one alone

Why so protective of this thread. You only joined here 6 days ago and all your posts seem to be defending Bowe not adding anything to any talk about Hansard.


but you won't, because you can't help yourself

Your right I cant help myself. Like I said attack one of our mates you attack us all. Welcome to my world and if you wanna play here then accept the consequences.

KK

[KrisKrowe]

Vaidya


*ahem* look again kk, tibetan way website states that "yet in the Buddha's hand there is the fruit of the myrobalm tree (Prunus cerasifera)"

which, by your own "research" that should be really be Emblica officinalis, which is wrong again because it _really_ should be the chebulic myrobalan i.e. Terminalia chebula

a small sample of the "erudition" on display here...

Yeah yeah yeah. A typical Bowe ploy. Ignore the questions about Bowe making up stories about one herb and then go off at a tangent.

I never claimed that Id done any research. I said Id spent a couple of seconds on a search engine. If thats what you call research then youve gotta be Bowe. As for the rest of that you seem to be going round in circles. Id give it up before you end up up yourself. Maybe you already are.

Im sure TW will be along to deal with you in person. they said theyd be joining up here so why dont you ask them.>:D

Have a nice day.

KK

[Tibetan Way]

Good afternoon

By way of introduction I have found myself appointed as spokesman for Tibetan Way so I thought I should drop by here and clarify a few misperceptions that appear to be circulating.

To ensure we start with a level playing field a few points.

A) Mr Christopher Hansard, Ms Stephanie Wright and Mr Roderick Lane have absolutely no involvement with Tibetan Way.

B) The products we are selling on the Tibetan Way site were donated to us and the donor wished to remain anonymous. We respect that request but can confirm that the donor was not Mr Hansard.

C) Tibetan Way pays accountants and solicitors to ensure that the business is operated in compliance with all relevant English Laws and regulations.

D) Tibetan Way is under no obligation to provide any internal business information to unauthorised third parties; particularly ill mannered louts who produce articles entitled "Confirmation and Verification Required" that appear on misleading and misinformed blogs such as those produced by Mr Bowe.

Now we've cleared the air please allow me to explain one particular issue that has arisen in this forum.

It is clear to us that Mr Jeffrey Bowe has a number of personal issues and problems that we would not wish to exacerbate. For that reason alone we have refrained from instituting legal proceedings against him for defamation (a course of action that would only lead to his being bankrupted); and from entering into this forum until now. We thought it more compassionate to attempt to contact Mr Bowe directly so that these issues could be resolved in a private and gentlemanly fashion. Unfortunately Mr Bowe has chosen to ignore our attempts to contact him so we have been forced to bring this discussion into the public arena.

It is also clear to us that Mr Bowe has no genuine interest in the wellbeing of the Tibetan people. It has been pointed out on more than one occasion that his recent interference has cost Tibetan Way time, money, and has delayed the further development of the site. That in turn has prevented Tibetan Way from donating further monies to a number of Tibet related charities. One of Mr Bowe's favoured charities would appear to be the Bon Foundation's 'Support a Menri Bon Child' initiative. Their web site makes it clear that a child can be sponsored for one year for the princely sum of $400 (£200.68 at todays exchange rate). As a decent solicitor charges somewhat more than that per hour these days it is reasonable to say that Mr Bowe has directly prevented the sponsorship of a number of Tibetan children. On that basis it would also be apposite to mention the cliche; "with friends like that who needs enemies?"

Turning aside from Mr Bowe we would like to thank Vaidya for drawing our attention to certain issues relating to the wording of the Tibetan Way 'Welcome' page. We were, however, already aware of the spelling issues; issues that are primarily related to the various transliteration schemes prevalent in rendering Tibetan into English. That issue is being addressed. It would also appear that there is a problem with the Latin translation given for that particular plant. That is also being addressed but since that plant is not used in any product sold by Tibetan Way the comments thereon would appear to be something of a red herring.

I hope that makes our position clear. I am prepared to answer general questions and enter into discussions concerning Tibetan Way so long as the foregoing points A to D are honoured.

Best regards

Quentin

[mahakala]

Tibetan-Way,

Thanks for clearing that all up. A donation to your cause seems like a happy ending for those products, and there haven't been too many of those in the chain of events originally initiated by Hansard.

I am also pleased that people are finally getting a perspective on Bowe. Despite what vaidya thinks, he is part of the story because he and a few of his cohorts used the suffering and confusion of others for their own psychological gain, and thus, many people who felt exploited (rightly or wrongly) by Hansard got exploited again.

To those who dissed my original comments about Bowe, it is useful to remember that your enemies enemy is not necessarily your friend.

In that regard, may scepticism prevail.

As to you Mr. Hansard, I have about 20 film episodes already written in my head and if you would care to fill in the details we will both be well on the way to making ourselves rich and famous. >:D

[mahakala]

P.S.

Hey Kris, maybe you'd like to do the soundtrack, or at least the intro - something a little sharp and crazy but seductive.

And Davron, I was wondering if you would be interested in playing Rick Ross. Don't worry there wouldn't be much acting. Basically, most of the time, you would be sitting in a little one bedroom apartment near Washington, staring at a plastic box with evil intent in your eye, muttering, troll, troll, troll.

[Sarama]

I am also pleased that people are finally getting a perspective on Bowe. Despite what vaidya thinks, he is part of the story because he and a few of his cohorts used the suffering and confusion of others for their own psychological gain, and thus, many people who felt exploited (rightly or wrongly) by Hansard got exploited again.


To those who dissed my original comments about Bowe, it is useful to remember that your enemies enemy is not necessarily your friend.
It is all too clear now how many were divided by the antics of a few and I retract anything I may have offerd to the contrary. Thankfully I think an end to Bowe's, Rick's, and Insanity's reign is finally drawing nigh.


In that regard, may scepticism prevail.

:bubbly::bubbly:cheers to that!


Hey Kris, maybe you'd like to do the soundtrack, or at least the intro - something a little sharp and crazy but seductive.

And Davron, I was wondering if you would be interested in playing Rick Ross. Don't worry there wouldn't be much acting. Basically, most of the time, you would be sitting in a little one bedroom apartment near Washington, staring at a plastic box with evil intent in your eye, muttering, troll, troll, troll.

Looking forward to the movie. Pop that cork and set that ship a sailing will ya?

[KrisKrowe]

Mahakala


P.S.

Hey Kris, maybe you'd like to do the soundtrack, or at least the intro - something a little sharp and crazy but seductive.

And Davron, I was wondering if you would be interested in playing Rick Ross. Don't worry there wouldn't be much acting. Basically, most of the time, you would be sitting in a little one bedroom apartment near Washington, staring at a plastic box with evil intent in your eye, muttering, troll, troll, troll.

Im answering both your postings in one go.

You know I cant work you out. One minute your cool the next your taking the piss. No problem. I checked out your original postings about Bowe and yeah you were spot on. But right now after 48 hours without sleep I cant work out whether your having a go at me and Dav.

Maybe you are maybe your not. I think he can stick up for himself. If your suggesting that hes a troll then I think you got the wrong end of the stick. But like I said Im sure he can look after himself.

Funny you should mention a soundtrack. Yeah I'll do that but obviously you havn't checked me out on the Web. It might be sharp and crazy but it aint gonna be seductive. The reason I was in my studio all last nite was that vaidya inspired me. Depending on the mix it will be up on the web over the weekend. Then maybe vaidya will understand that I aint Hansard. I dont remember him or anyone else claiming he was a muso so when the tracks up I'll give you all a blow by blow instruction on how to play it. If you can. I may not be an arrogant mutha like Bowe but I know my way round a few instruments.

So if your being funny and Im missing it then cool. Put it down to lack ofsleep. If not then just check out the track when its up. Dont worry I'll let you know where to find it.

KK

"No promises, no guarantees; When you come down here; You're already on your knees
You wanna ride white lightnin'; Then sign your name
You wanna dance with the devil; You gotta play his way, play the game"

Def Leppard White Lightning

[Mongrel]

But right now after 48 hours without sleep I cant work out whether your having a go at me and Dav.

I think I see your problem :tongue:

Trying to make coherent judgements when you're that tired is gonna end in tears. Get a good nights kip and grab a couple of cups of coffee then re-read what's been said, you may have another, more accurate, view.

[mahakala]

True enough, I was takin a piss, but not on Kriss or Davron. Presumeably, as they in the latter's neck of the woods, everything is 'saibaba?'

[mahakala]

True enough, I was takin a piss, but not on Kriss or Davron. Presumeably, as they in the latter's neck of the woods, everything is 'saibaba?'

Geez........as they SAY in the latter's neck of the woods.....

[davron]

Hello fairy princess and friends;D

Yes old Davron is okay and he has lost a few pounds, he also has found muscles and painful points on his body that he never knew existed before. Kris I have to say you are right about the Bergen. I am now on green slime duty with my espresso machine!;)

Kris I am playing with the latest grade of tablet, Kris you would love this. Solar power panels on top it is like one massive iPhone except you can run over it with tank. Is totally waterproof, and all the processors are measured in gigabyte. Keyboard is light-sensitive in the dark they grow very pale green in the light they go black on white. I am using this now is an amazing piece of machinery.

I am not sure of being a Rick Ross and do you want me to be Rick Ross because I am Jewish? :undecided: I do not wish to be oversensitive but it is a worry as we say humour depends on your unit. So if this is just fun yes I will be Rick Ross, as long as I get to shout and scream and sometimes stick gun out of the window and just shoots randomly screaming words like ‘the pigeons are radioactive’. Also want to have aluminium foil wrapped around my head to stop the aliens getting me. Yes, I must have a chair that is folding with my name printed across the back. Its first clause in my contract.8)

I am not sure about the neck of the woods? Is someone coming to Israel?

Davron:angel:

[Sarama]

Dav,

Glad you're safe, welcome 'home'.

KK,

Don't feel bad, I was not even offered a part in the new upcoming film by mahakala, neither was Mongrel for that matter.
Perhaps if Dav manages to clean out that espresso machine anytime soon, I will have the honour of being on coffee duty? As long as no one really expects me to share. ^-^

[mahakala]

Dav,


Don't feel bad, I was not even offered a part in the new upcoming film by mahakala, neither was Mongrel for that matter.


There are still a couple of parts in casting call. One is Hansard's extra-terrestrial teacher whom he meets during an acid trip. Hansard thinks he is being buried alive and then finds himself being brushed off by the ET, who then says, "tea?"

And there is the role of Dorje, who actually had the hots for Hansard and was thus rejected as an apprentice but subsequently pretends he is an apprentice while at the same time is plotting his revenge (along with buddies Bowe and Ross).

Any takers?

[Mongrel]

I normally do "That 3rd guy on the left, right at the back" :smiley:

[mahakala]

I normally do "That 3rd guy on the left, right at the back" :smiley:

There is a small role for a secret agent who has been observing things from a distance and providing the information needed by security services to skirt the law and take down some of the perps in the story.

[davron]

OK i will be dark antihero, do I get to surf? Also I want Kris to be agent, must have chair. Mongrel I need you as 3rd guy on the right, right at the back. ;D

I now have a scorpion I found in desert, taking him back to workshop to hunt bugs, better than chemicals. He needs name not sure if I call him Pizza Guru or Flying Saucer Man ::)

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Hi all


I think I see your problem :tongue:

Trying to make coherent judgements when you're that tired is gonna end in tears. Get a good nights kip and grab a couple of cups of coffee then re-read what's been said, you may have another, more accurate, view.

Yup Mongrel got that one right and after a few more hours in the studio I decided to take a few days off and away from studios and computers.

Apologies to Mahakala for any hostility. My brain was fried on caffeine.

Dav glad to see you are back and well. That tablet PC sounds cool. I want one. Then when it messes up as per the last round of MS updates and the ZoneAlarm firewall I can throw it round without breaking it. PC rage.

" ‘the pigeons are radioactive’ " Are they? Do you know something that youre not telling?:smiley: And yeah weve gotta have the foil hats.O0

Main thing is that Saramas handling the coffee duties. Were gonna need plenty of that.

Nah I dont wanna be the agent. Im too busy with the soundtrack. I was already thinking of knocking out a CD called "Jeffrey in La-La land" so we can use that as the basis. Now Im getting my head round all the hardware and software in the new studio I can get that done pretty quick.

BTW has anyone else noticed that the Ross forum has been offline for over 24 hours. Its always been a bit slow and dodgy but for the past day its been completely off air. Not just the CH thread bu the whole forum.>:D

Gotta go now my guitar is calling to me.

KK

[Sarama]

KK,

You can count on me for coffee!

Regarding the Rick Ross Cult Education Cult, he periodically claims he gets 'hit' by his enemies. Whether the reality of that actually exists or is a figment of his own paranoid delusion, who can say? I imagine he has made a few enemies over the years.

Davron,

Between radioactive pigeons and environmentally friendly scorpions, you sound kind of busy. Are you quite sure you can afford the time to be in an up and coming movie? ;)

Anyway, pass the foil, I can not stand the thought of you lot looking silly without me!

Sarama

[mahakala]

I tried to explain about the third guy from the middle, visible only with dark glasses and aerosol spray:

There's a man who leads a life of danger
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
With every move he makes another chance he takes
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow

Secret agent man, secret agent man
They've given you a number and taken away your name

Beware of pretty faces that you find
A pretty face can hide an evil mind
Ah, be careful what you say
Or you'll give yourself away
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow

Secret agent man, secret agent man
They've given you a number and taken away your name

Secret agent man, secret agent man
They've given you a number and taken away your name

Swingin' on the Riviera one day
And then layin' in the Bombay alley next day
Oh no, you let the wrong word slip
While kissing persuasive lips
The odds are you won't live to see tomorrow

Secret agent man, secret agent man
They've given you a number and taken away your name

Secret agent man

(courtesy Slaone & Barri)

[davron]

Triple expresso after this.

What grade foil to line hat with will be needed. Also want a pink chair.

But does alien have a sister who marries Bowe, who turns out to be Hansard (sister that is). While the Apprentice is in the cellar with chain saw?

I have having trouble with plot I want to be George Clooney.O0 Unless Sarama is George then I want to be Elton John.

Davron

[mahakala]

Can't do the clooner; he doesn't fit the style of the piece. Elton already has a part. He asked to play one of the judges at the Gay Blade Cross Dressing Grannies contest where Bowe, Ross, Hansard and Dorje first meet.

I think he'll be happy to hang out and talk wardrobe. You'll probably have to arm wrestle with him over the pink chair though.

(just don't ask him about his childhood; it'll spoil the mood)

[Sarama]

Triple expresso after this.

What grade foil to line hat with will be needed. Also want a pink chair.

I have having trouble with plot I want to be George Clooney.O0 Unless Sarama is George then I want to be Elton John.

Davron

Now just stop that Dav! You're making me blush, and it's hot enough already under all this foil.

Stick to the plot Mister!
Though what that is anymore, I could not tell you.
By George, I think I've lost it.
The plot that it is... entirely.

[mahakala]

Wait for it........drum role please.........Mr. Rick Ross, internet flamer extraordinaire, has declared........are you holding your breath yet..........

Okay, here it is, I won't torture you anymore:

"A British message board has just won a "Flaming Websites Award."

"This site of "skieptics" seems a bit concerned about his thread regarding Christopher Hansard."

Actually we are a little sceptical of you bro. More than just a little. Your editing and deleting and manipulation of comment is clearly in service of........um........could it be........your dishonesty. After all, you and Bowe and Dorje were driving the thread apparently and not the least bit interested in the truth - only interested in your own self importance and your own delusional version of the truth. A bunch of ******* *** chums.

So, as my miserable old uncle used to say, Ross, take a long walk off a short pier will you.

>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D

[KrisKrowe]

Wait for it........drum role please.........Mr. Rick Ross, internet flamer extraordinaire, has declared........are you holding your breath yet..........

Okay, here it is, I won't torture you anymore:

"A British message board has just won a "Flaming Websites Award."

"This site of "skieptics" seems a bit concerned about his thread regarding Christopher Hansard."

Actually we are a little sceptical of you bro. More than just a little. Your editing and deleting and manipulation of comment is clearly in service of........um........could it be........your dishonesty. After all, you and Bowe and Dorje were driving the thread apparently and not the least bit interested in the truth - only interested in your own self importance and your own delusional version of the truth. A bunch of ******* *** chums.

So, as my miserable old uncle used to say, Ross, take a long walk off a short pier will you.

>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D>:D

Mahakala

You beat me to it you swine. O0

I just saw that myself and thought I would be the first to cheer everyone up with the good news.

Anyway congrats to all for upsetting Ross - good to see we Brits still know a fake when we see one.

He's not exactly on the ball tho is he? Its taken him 6 weeks since Davs first posting in the "Rick Ross cult buster or cultist?" thread to give us an award. I would have thought Bowe and his badboys would have kept him up to date tho they seem to have disappeared as well. No doubt theyll pop up again as Trolls always do.

Theres as interesting piece about trolls in the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html

Have a good weekend

KK

[Mongrel]

"A British message board has just won a "Flaming Websites Award."

"This site of "skieptics" seems a bit concerned about his thread regarding Christopher Hansard."

Linkie?

(miss out the www. bit if you don't want to tell them where we're coming from ;))

[Admin]

I must admit that I haven't got a clue what this thread is about or what the issues are but here's the link I found:

http://www.rickross.com/flamingwebsites.html

[mahakala]

Sadly we only received two flames. I guess we'll have to try harder.

[Sarama]

Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader himself!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

As offered on RRCEF, Cult Leaders love attention, any sort of attention, though admittedly or dimwittedly it did indeed take Rick some time.

[Phurba]

Please allow me.

Christopher Hansard has written not one but three books claiming to have been taught Dur Bon Medicine by a Tibetan Teacher who apparently found him on a beach in New Zealand at the age of 4. He was born in 1957 so that would bring us to 1961 shortly after the invasion of Tibet by the Chinese Government. Not only does it seem unlikely that a Tibetan Master would find he and his entire family on a beach in Tibet during that time, but that his one and only priority following the invasion of his country would be to impart his knowledge to a small toddler. Please visit bonmedicine dot co dot uk I am not allowed to post url's

[Phurba]

double posting

[Phurba]

Dates and details vary widely from biography to biography and interview to interview. Suggesting he forgot the details of his own story each time he told it. He performed workshops at Wild Rose College in Calgary and put on quite a show there as well.
Please visit web archives and look up wrc dot net June 2004

Regardless he set up his first clinic in Kensington Mews in London and started practicing acupuncture. It has been reported that he gained insurance not based on any real credentials but instead with the help and on the recommendation of another more credible practitioner Mr. Roderick Lane. As the story goes the two were introduced to each other in Bali, where it has also been suggested that Christopher Hansard "earned" a certificate in acupuncture within the period of three months. It has been suggested that he knows just enough acupuncture to perhaps stimulate a sexual response in his female patients.
Please simply do a search for "stimulating sexual response in women using acupuncture" or lucypostolov dot com / news / libido

Many of Hansard's female patients went to him with various problems from lack of libido, fear of men, to relationship or marital problems or childhood traumas and many had histories of childhood sexual abuse which they of course confided in him in a position of authority and trust.

His treatment of such ailments was always to ask the patient to place their hands on his body while breathing in his male energy. This is from the many accounts of the female patients and apprentices that "consented" to sexual relationships with Hansard. As treatments continued and he gained their trust he would remove pieces of clothing starting with his own shirt and would ask them to place their hands on various parts of his exposed body.

[Phurba]

He also claims to have an understanding of Tantra and would offer to teach this practice to his female students telling them it would help open them up and increase their ability to learn "the teachings". Patients were told that by taking part in various Tantric practices with him, that it would aid their healing, improve their marriage, relationships, and help them to overcome their fears.

[Phurba]

I attended workshops if you must know, and have had many female as well as male patients tell me their stories. While it is not against the law to sleep with patients as a complimentary practitioner if consent has been given, it IS against the law if that consent has been given through undue pressure, or coercion, if the patient's judgment was impaired in any way shape or form whether that be from the use of herbs, acupuncture, or prescriptions from their medical doctor. Any dizziness, or disorientation leaves a patient vulnerable and their judgment impaired. This alone would explain why many women consented to have sex with a married man. He was also in a position of trust and to their knowledge he was a "Master". He put himself in a position of authority, but he did not then, and does not now have any real credentials. He referred to himself as a Doctor and often signed using this title when applying for credit cards, utilities, car insurances etc. The students he also employed in his clinic were all privy and can testify to this. He is therefore falsely advertising, has been for many many years and the many patients who have invested much time as well as money are due at the very least an explanation or their investment back.

" In 1992 he opened a clinic in Kensington. In the first week a hundred patients came through the door out of the blue. “I didn’t advertise. I was busy from day one, just from the grapevine. I was told it was a bit of a revolution, because people suddenly realised that you don’t have to waste time talking about getting better for six months "

Unfortunately there were many people who invested much more than a mere six months. They wasted instead six years as Hansard told them that to interrupt treatment or seek treatment elsewhere would possibly interfere with his treatments. He often went as far as ridiculing other forms of treatments as well as other practitioners. Many of whom are now treating those he has done considerable harm to.

Whether or not you like Jeffrey Bowe, and I do not, he has brought the question of Hansard's credentials or lack thereof into the public arena, where it needs to remain. Since Bowe's continuous harassment of Hansard began over 2 years ago, it has forced Hansard to let his own website on which he pronounced himself a "Master" (no less) of Tibetan Dur Bon Medicine fall while he invests all of his energy into promoting a blog which as you will all notice makes no such claims. This fact alone brings all three of his books into question as well as his ability to "heal" anyone including himself.

[Phurba]

He is as it has been suggested extremely well read, had a classical education in school and bear in mind through out the years he has attracted people to him and under his employment that brought real knowledge to his practice. He rode on the coat tails and the reputation of Stephanie Wright and many others and not the other way around. It has come to our attention that in light of the many allegations made online questioning his credentials that he is making all efforts to secure his income and continue practicing by signing up for complimentary medicine and counseling courses in and around the London area in order to gain credentials. This will not make him a better practitioner, but rest assured it will make him a better liar. He is now being equipped with the proper tools and terms which will allow him to convince even the most educated of clients that they are the "sick" ones when they attempt to confront him about his lack of boundaries.

As for his ability to "cure cancer" as reported in the petition that was posted in his defense, I urge those of you who accepted this as another testimony of his powers to ask the surviving members of those who have in actuality died from this disease just how effective he is. For those who did not pass on and miraculously overcame their various ailments, ask yourselves was his treatment the only you were receiving? Therefore was it the acupuncture, the herbs, medication, or was it the lifestyle changes you made on your own accord? Was it your ailment alone that prompted you to stop, readjust, and re-evaluate everything in your own life. Did you stop on your own accord and make changes, even if the first thing you did was to seek help. Unfortunately that undoubtedly brought you to the door of one Christopher Hansard, and he opened up an entire new world to you, but not because it was not already there all along, but simply because he has excellent marketing and advertising skills, and later on would hire a fairly reputable PR company.

For those who took part in what they were told were Tantric teachings, there are no Tantric teachings in Dur Bon therefore you probably taught him more than he taught you. By all means, do your own research. He knows just enough to convince you he knows more than he does. As many noted he could only take you so far in the "teachings" and then his knowledge seemed to stop and/or the teachings did.

Christopher Hansard has no credentials but is attempting to at this time gain them. He is not changing his ways, he is simply carrying on the one thing he has always been somewhat good at, and that is writing pretty prose.

For those that have been harmed or fallen prey to false advertising, please report your experiences to Witness Against Abuse, the Sapphire Unit or the Fraud Department with the Met Police.

[mahakala]

Hello Phurba,

Very interesting information about Hansards so-called "tantra" practices with his clients. It actually explains pretty much why many female clients seem to feel like they have been sexually violated but are unable to provide clear evidential information.

I'm curious how you know so much about him?

P.S.

Bowe was helpful in getting the whole story out into the public eye, that is true. However, he and Rick Ross pretty much scuttled any kind of intelligent conversation amongst people directly effected by Hansard. Ross actually seems to me to be a little dimwitted (a one trick pony, as they say) and the journalist Pema, who started ther thread at RR about Hansard, has recently taken to slinging mud at the unorthodox but quite benign bhuddist teacher ole nydahl - calling him a predator, a white supremist, and so forth - is sounding equally unreliable.

In sum, I think the whole subject has gone south.

[Phurba]

Hello Phurba,

In sum, I think the whole subject has gone south.

Not so mahakala, these processes take time.

I look forward to hearing how Hansard explains how he and his reported current girlfriend met. As via the grapevine we were informed the relationship burgeoned from none other than his treatment room in Victoria.

She is in fact a patient.

Kind of brings into question both the culpability of his former Canadian girlfriend who helped him set up that clinic and his many denials that he never crossed such boundaries with patients doesn't it?

[mahakala]

That his current girlfriend is a former client is no surprise.

As to the culpability of his former girlfriend; I'm presuming she actually believed him and now regrets that as she is "former.".

Would your initials by any chance be SW?

[mahakala]

Not so mahakala, these processes take time.

I look forward to hearing how Hansard explains how he and his reported current girlfriend met. As via the grapevine we were informed the relationship burgeoned from none other than his treatment room in Victoria.

She is in fact a patient.

Kind of brings into question both the culpability of his former Canadian girlfriend who helped him set up that clinic and his many denials that he never crossed such boundaries with patients doesn't it?

The point being that all this is old news unless someone is actually doing something to make him accountable for his actions.

[papas]

So is the practice of Bon Kum Nye genuine or a complete fabrication?

[mahakala]

So is the practice of Bon Kum Nye genuine or a complete fabrication?

That's a good question and it could be applied to a lot of the stuff he has put in his books and classes. Maybe he'll have the decency to come out of his closet and say if he got these things from some traditional, established source, or he just cobbled them together willy nilly....ha ha he he ho ho...yeah right......that's going to happen (that was my inner cynic speaking there)

On the other hand if it seems to work and is doing some good (now that you are not hypnotised by him) it probably is.

But this is part of him being accountable.

[papas]

Indeed - I have been practising the form published by SW for about a year now and find it to be a succinct but powerful set of exercises/postures. But I am horrified to read all this stuff about CH and would prefer to think that SW has done her own research on the subject rather than pass on the teachings of an alleged psycho.

[mahakala]

Indeed - I have been practising the form published by SW for about a year now and find it to be a succinct but powerful set of exercises/postures. But I am horrified to read all this stuff about CH and would prefer to think that SW has done her own research on the subject rather than pass on the teachings of an alleged psycho.

She got it from him but obviously he got it from somewhere. Perhaps Ms. Wright will come here and comment, but I would presume that over many years of teaching kum nye she learned to believe in the efficacy of the exercises.

[papas]

All this about CH has only just come to my attention. Has he gone into hiding making no attempt to defend himself?

[mahakala]

All this about CH has only just come to my attention. Has he gone into hiding making no attempt to defend himself?

My understanding is that he has cut all ties with former friends and associates, is now out of bankruptcy and is reinventing himself. He has a blog, some kind of clinic in the Victoria area of London, and is pursuing some kind of certification that will allow him to do personal consultations within some kind of legal framework.

I imagine his lawyer has told him to say nothng in response to all the allegations against him.

[Sarama]

I am seriously considering an about-face regarding Christopher Hansard. Though some of the information being offered is incorrect, such as it was Sri Lanka, or somewhere in Thailand that it was suggested he got a certificate from and not Bali, apparently the "training" was of minimal quality all the same. (offline source)

This brings to the forefront the question of whether or not those in the Complimentary and Alternative Medicine industry, which is proving to be more industrious and lucritive for some than anything, should be made to adhere to the very same ethics code that doctors and other such professionals abide by.

I think they should, and when they cross those boundaries as appears to be the case of this gent, not only once but through out the span of an entire career, then they should be barred from dealing with the public in any way, at least until or if they ever choose to correct the behaviour. For all intents and purposes, Christopher Hansard has chosen not to change or correct his behaviour but is now flaunting it in the face of his detractors and critiques.

[Sarama]

...by the way, did any one of you even notice I was gone? ;)

[Sarama]

Has anyone else noticed that Christopher Hansard is still peddling himself as

Christopher Hansard (http://www.bonmedicine.com/)

Master Physician of Tibetan Bön Medicine. Author, educator on ancient Tibetan lifestyle, health, and spirituality based in London, UK.and has had his webmaster move up his dormant bonmedicine.com site to the top of the page?

:ponder:

[mahakala]

Has anyone else noticed that Christopher Hansard is still peddling himself as and has had his webmaster move up his dormant bonmedicine.com site to the top of the page?

:ponder:

Interesting. I wonder if he is planning to continue with his bon physician gig and just drop his back story. Funny that he hasn't deleted the 'lineage' button. Maybe he will use it and tell the truth about himself, and his trail to becoming a self appointed 'physician of dur bon medicine.' I'm surprised he gets away with that though. I always thought the term 'physician' had a certain amount of legal protection. Maybe he only uses it on the website.

[Sarama]

Interesting. I wonder if he is planning to continue with his bon physician gig and just drop his back story. Funny that he hasn't deleted the 'lineage' button. Maybe he will use it and tell the truth about himself, and his trail to becoming a self appointed 'physician of dur bon medicine.' I'm surprised he gets away with that though. I always thought the term 'physician' had a certain amount of legal protection. Maybe he only uses it on the website.

Sadly, no, he does not just use it on his website. He continues to use it elsewhere. Too many to list, though this is an older listing, he continues to refer to himself as Master Physician and insists that Dr. precedes his name.

http://www.juice-fast-detox.co.uk/best-london-alternative-therapists.htm

Dr Christopher Hansard
Tibetan Bon Dur Medicine
Eden Medical Centre,
63a Kings Rd,
LONDON SW3 4NT
Tel:0207 8815800
First appointment:£95. follow on £45

[Sarama]

I do believe it is against the law and further more it is a clear case for fraud.

http://www.aaas.org/spp/sfrl/per/per7.htm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10510751

http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2006/05/26/man_convicted_of_pretending_to_be_a_doctor_defraud ing_patients/

http://www.sequence-inc.com/fraudfiles/2007/09/05/another-usana-representative-with-falsified-credentials/

http://whitecollarfraud.blogspot.com/2008/04/barry-minkow-herbalife-president.html

Keep it up CH, you might just seal your own foretold fate yet. Wasn't it you mahakala that mentioned he was fond of saying he would die at the age of 52? If he was born in 1957, would that not make him 51 now?

Providing you keep the evidence of your exploits, blatant lack of boundaries and lies on your arm in the way of yet another patient as you leisurely and lustfully stroll through St. James Park, the rest of us can rest easy knowing you have already won our case.

What an absolute plonker! :liar:

[mahakala]

Yeah.......I bet the people that signed that petition supporting him feel like right plonkers too.