Psychic Readings

[PsySpi]

As a psychic myself, I've often found a reading can best convince people of the truth of the spiritual planes. How many skeptics have DARED to have a reading? You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine, its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.

[vbloke]

As a psychic myself, I've often found a reading can best convince people of the truth of the spiritual planes. How many skeptics have DARED to have a reading? You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine, its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.


I have - it's odd that when a skeptic (a real skeptic, not someone who just says "I'm skeptical") who knows how cold reading works has a reading, that psychics suddenly get everything wrong.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=Selfridges_a_psychic_sisters_reading.php

oh, and btw, I've not met anyone called Jackie or Sheryl and it's autumn now.

If you feel you can do better, what info do you need from me to give me a reading now?

[PsySpi]

As a psychic myself, I've often found a reading can best convince people of the truth of the spiritual planes. How many skeptics have DARED to have a reading? You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine, its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.


I have - it's odd that when a skeptic (a real skeptic, not someone who just says "I'm skeptical") who knows how cold reading works has a reading, that psychics suddenly get everything wrong.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=Selfridges_a_psychic_sisters_reading.php

oh, and btw, I've not met anyone called Jackie or Sheryl and it's autumn now.

If you feel you can do better, what info do you need from me to give me a reading now?


Something to orientate my spirit guide (Mattca Alik He, the "wise man") to your spiritual location.

The best way to do this is for you to type out "Mattca Alik He" repeatedly (seven or more times) while saying the words to yourself, then post the resulting message.

This will allow Mattca to find you, however the reading might be a little vague.

[vbloke]

OK, here goes.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

[PsySpi]

Mattca indicates it has worked.
What do you want to know?

[vbloke]

whatever he wants to tell me.

[PsySpi]

ok-

Mattca, Who is this person?

Mattca- Orange, yellow, M, trees.

Where does he live?

Mattca- Trees, eye, river, fog,

What colour are his eyes?

Two types Water.

Does this make any sense?

[vbloke]

He'll have to be clearer than that.

Orange, yellow - what do these mean?
M? Is that my name?
Trees - what about trees?
Eye? Well, I have two of them.
River - which one?
Fog - what fog?
Water - what does that mean? Water can be blue, green or brown.

[PsySpi]

He'll have to be clearer than that.

Orange, yellow - what do these mean?
M? Is that my name?
Trees - what about trees?
Eye? Well, I have two of them.
River - which one?
Fog - what fog?
Water - what does that mean? Water can be blue, green or brown.



Are you wearing those colours?

Does your name begin with M?

Does your name relate to trees?

Do you live near a river?

Near an eye shaped window or rock?

Near trees?

Are your eyes blue or green?

[tkingdoll]

VBloke, your name is in several places on this forum.

Oh, and you dropped a bollock by mentioning 'name' first. Don't give any clues away!

PS PsySpi is most likely CoreyWhite. He's played this trick elsewhere.

[vbloke]

He'll have to be clearer than that.

Orange, yellow - what do these mean?
M? Is that my name?
Trees - what about trees?
Eye? Well, I have two of them.
River - which one?
Fog - what fog?
Water - what does that mean? Water can be blue, green or brown.



Are you wearing those colours?

Does your name begin with M?

Does your name relate to trees?

Do you live near a river?

Near an eye shaped window or rock?

Near trees?

Are your eyes blue or green?


VBloke, your name is in several places on this forum.

Oh, and you dropped a bollock by mentioning 'name' first. Don't give any clues away!

PS PsySpi is most likely CoreyWhite. He's played this trick elsewhere.


I know my name is public knowledge on this site, so the "Does your name begin with M?" is a no-brainer.

No, I'm not wearing any yellow or orange.

My name does not relate to trees, unless you give trees pet names.

Define "near a river" - under 1 mile? Under 5 miles? It's hard to be far away from a river or stream in the UK.

No rocks or eye shaped windows near me - try again.

Define "near trees" - 100 yards? under 1 mile? Under 5 miles? It's hard to be far away from a tree in the UK.

You tell me which - blue or green.

[PsySpi]

He'll have to be clearer than that.

Orange, yellow - what do these mean?
M? Is that my name?
Trees - what about trees?
Eye? Well, I have two of them.
River - which one?
Fog - what fog?
Water - what does that mean? Water can be blue, green or brown.



Are you wearing those colours?

Does your name begin with M?

Does your name relate to trees?

Do you live near a river?

Near an eye shaped window or rock?

Near trees?

Are your eyes blue or green?


VBloke, your name is in several places on this forum.

Oh, and you dropped a bollock by mentioning 'name' first. Don't give any clues away!

PS PsySpi is most likely CoreyWhite. He's played this trick elsewhere.


I know my name is public knowledge on this site, so the "Does your name begin with M?" is a no-brainer.

No, I'm not wearing any yellow or orange.

My name does not relate to trees, unless you give trees pet names.

Define "near a river" - under 1 mile? Under 5 miles? It's hard to be far away from a river or stream in the UK.

No rocks or eye shaped windows near me - try again.

Define "near trees" - 100 yards? under 1 mile? Under 5 miles? It's hard to be far away from a tree in the UK.

You tell me which - blue or green.


This isn't working, I will have to recall my guide and ask him directly.

[PsySpi]

VBloke, your name is in several places on this forum.

Oh, and you dropped a bollock by mentioning 'name' first. Don't give any clues away!

PS PsySpi is most likely CoreyWhite. He's played this trick elsewhere.


I am not CoreyWhite.

[tkingdoll]

I am not CoreyWhite.


Well...perhaps I should borrow your logic from the other thread and demand that you prove that you are not CoreyWhite, hmm?

[seren]

;D I love this thread. Psyspi you are a comic genius. I'm going to have a go. As the last poster, tkingdoll, the spirits have assigned you as my target.

Who is this tkingdoll?
Lamppost, fishpaste, chair, long division

Where does tkingdoll live?
Road, building, rooms

What colour are tkingdoll's eyes?
The spirits tell me your eyes are not yellow. Definitely not yellow. I'm getting brown. Browny-green, turning to blue. Yes, that's right.

Now, tkingdoll, your job is to find links- tenuous is OK- between yourself and all these things. They exist. For example, have you ever walked past some fishpaste in the supermarket? The spirits know all!

[Dr B]

As a psychic myself, I've often found a reading can best convince people of the truth of the spiritual planes. How many skeptics have DARED to have a reading? You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine, its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.


If you dont mind me saying you seem to have an odd view about skeptics. Reading a little 'between the lines' your question about how many of us have dared to see psychics has a worrying undercurrent.

You assume that it is something we are scared of. Why? You also assume it is something we have not done. Why? In addition, you seem to think that skeptics just doubt everything for the sake of it - we do not. We are interested in scientific truths about the world - whatever they may be. There has been at least 60 years of research on psychic phenomena and there is no reliable evidence for it. Are you saying we are wrong to view the claims cautiously? Note also - that most skeptics are still actively involved in researching the possibilities - but we have not decided on the conclusions before the evidence is in.

[Mojo]

You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine,

No. What will happen?


...its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.

Examples please.

[vbloke]

You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine,

No. What will happen?


...its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.

Examples please.


If there is such a thing as a genuine psychic, they why do so many ask questions like "does this make sense" or "can you understand this"? Surely, if you're contacting spirits, or reading my mind, you'd be able to say "your name is xxx, you live at xxx and you have a pet cat called xxx".
Could it be that they're fishing for information?

A good example of "things they could not possibly know otherwise" is
"do you live near trees?"
"yes, I have a tree in my garden"
"you see, I knew that"
"wow, how did you know?"

If any psychic could walk up to me and immediately tell me my PIN or how much change is in my wallet, I'll listen, otherwise, it's just so much guesswork and retrofitting.

[chillzero]

As a psychic myself, I've often found a reading can best convince people of the truth of the spiritual planes. How many skeptics have DARED to have a reading? You must know what will happen if the psychic is genuine, its happened too often that psychics have demonstrated they know things the could not possibly know otherwise.


I have dared to have readings. In fact, I used to give them regularly, using tarot cards. I believed I had psychic abilities until I tested myself and realised the actual source of my information.

If a psychic was genuine, they would be able to give good clear information, not vague concepts, and the odd letter here and there. They would be able to identify information that they could not have received through body language, intuition, and at the worst, through research and collusion.

[tkingdoll]

;D I love this thread. Psyspi you are a comic genius. I'm going to have a go. As the last poster, tkingdoll, the spirits have assigned you as my target.

Who is this tkingdoll?
Lamppost, fishpaste, chair, long division

Where does tkingdoll live?
Road, building, rooms

What colour are tkingdoll's eyes?
The spirits tell me your eyes are not yellow. Definitely not yellow. I'm getting brown. Browny-green, turning to blue. Yes, that's right.

Now, tkingdoll, your job is to find links- tenuous is OK- between yourself and all these things. They exist. For example, have you ever walked past some fishpaste in the supermarket? The spirits know all!


seren, you are a master of mystery.

lampost, fishpaste, chair, long division obviously refers to my childhood - only recently I was thinking about how my mum used to make fishpaste and cucumber sandwiches for me. In fact, I bought some Shippams Crab paste to see if I still liked it but it was horrid. She'd send me to school with the sandwiches, which is where the long division and the chair come in. The lamppost, I'm not so sure, unless that's a veiled reference to my favourite childhood books featuring Narnia.

Anyway, that first one is clearly me at school. And that's spot on, because I am in fact making a major decision about whether or not to go back to school. Obviously your spirit guide is aware of my dilemma and is trying to reassure me that it's a good thing. Therefore, I will go back to school. It is decided.

Where do I live. I live in a building with rooms it. The building is on a road. I can't fault you there, well done.

My eyes ARE browny green! And it's weird that you say 'turning' because I have chameleon eyes, they change colour depending on what I'm wearing and other factors. Bravo!

I take my hat off to you.

Now, what colour is the hat? :D

[median]

Mattca Alik ?

Mmm why does this bit remind me phonetically of an anagram of Mettalica?

Must be me :D

[median]

Now, what colour is the hat?

Ooh! Ooh! Can I join in?

Errm, is is vermillion with a hint of taupe? O0

[seren]

Mmm why does this bit remind me phonetically of an anagram of Mettalica?


Well it's an anagram of Attack Liam.


Do you understand this? ;)

[PsySpi]

OK, I might regret this, but I'm going to allow Mattca to possess me.

[Psyspi] Mattca Alik He can you hear me?

[M.A.H] Indicates yes.
[Psyspi]Will you possess me, and tell all hear what you have learned.

[M.A.H] [Telephone on desk falls to floor] Indicates yes.

[Psyspi]The rest of this message in purple, though typed my my hand will be written by Mattca. When he is finished, I will press enter without changing anything. Please be aware that Mattca often had difficulty using a keyboard so forgive any rambling or mistakes.

Mattca Alik He, Wise man of ancient times, advisor of tribe Mugacca, I grant you and give consent in the name of all holyness and light to use my hand for the purposes of typing this message and no other, lest ye are cast into the fires of hell by the allmighty for violating this trust. If you agree you may begin.

hihgreetings young ones. i offf thousands of millenia greet thyou. know that i am mattca alik he , one great shaman and wise knower now dwell trapped in the spirit domain for my crimes. though i was wise, i was foolinsh and dennigged his hhhooooollllllllyyyyyyyyy nameeeet. whyyyy whyyyyyyyy do not makee this mestakke aasss iiii. now i have repented of my sinsand see truly, i pray you do the same one day i shall be free too but i have suffered theselong yearss the spirrt i was called too??? he has a name of nature, of the treefilled earth. He lives in a city of ligit and live. his eyes are of the sea and rivers. he wears the colour of the sunset. he has a great computermachine of much power on a wooden construct. there are pens writing sticks nearby. the walls are white and the floor is grass.i saw a black object of plastics. wrote is on paper they , i, and the. the outside rains. i see potatoes andeaches. he saw the moon. heeeeetssssssssssssssssssssssfffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffbfxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxc

Here ends what I found on the screen when conciousness returned.

[Mongrel]

Before I start laughing too hard can I just ask what a Transcryptoplaneologist is? It's not in any dictionary I looked at and it even stumped the mighty Google....

[PsySpi]

Mattca's words cleaned up-
Greetings young ones. From thousands of millenia I greet you. Know that I am Mattca Alik He, once great shaman and wise one, great knower of my age, now dwell, trapped in the spirit domain for my crimes. Though I was once wise, I was also foolish and denied his holy name! why? why? Do not make this mistake as I did! Now I have repented of my sins and see truly, I pray you do the same. One day I shall be free, but how I have suffered these long years!
The spirit I was called to?
He has a name of nature, of the treefilled earth.
He lives in a city of light and life.
His eyes are of the sea and rivers.
He wears the colour of the sunset.
He has a great computer, machine of much power, on a wooden construct.
There are pens, writing sticks, nearby.
The walls are white and the floor is grass.
I saw a black object, made of plastics.

[note- here he begins to break off and grow weaker]
The following are wrote on paper- "they" , "I", and "the".
There is are outside rains.
I see potatoes and peaches.
He saw the moon!
He t...
[break off]ssssssssssssssssssssssffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffbfxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc

The predictions explained-

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
You live near a large, busy city.
You have blue or blue/green eyes.
You were/ are wearing orange, or bright colours.
You have a powerful computer of a wooden/ wood effect desk.
There are pens and/or other writing implements nearby.
The walls are white or pale in colour and the floor is green or beige.
There is a black plastic object on the desk.
On paper nearby are written the words "they" , "I", and "the".
Its raining/ has rained recently.
Recently you either ate or saw potatoes and peaches.
Recently you have seen the moon.

[PsySpi]

Before I start laughing too hard can I just ask what a Transcryptoplaneologist is? It's not in any dictionary I looked at and it even stumped the mighty Google....







Trans=alternate
crypto= hidden
plane= dimension
ologist= studyer
"Transcryptoplaneologist= one who studies alternate, hidden dimensions (like the spirit world e.t.c)

[Mongrel]

1 Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.Relates how? He lives on the Earth, he eats vegetables - to vague and open to interpretation
2 You live near a large, busy city. How far is far? - Too vague and open to interpretation
3 You have blue or blue/green eyes.Covers a lot of the population - Too vague and open to interpretation
4 You were/ are wearing orange, or bright colours.Your 'guide' said colours of the sunset, that can cover from clear blue through orange or even pink - bad interpretation and vague
5 You have a powerful computer of a wooden/ wood effect desk.As a techie - what's a powerful computer? My PDA is more powerful than what was used to put the Apollos on the moon - too vague and open to interpretation. A wooden or wooden effect desk - very common, hardly a prediction it's a near certainty
6 There are pens and/or other writing implements nearby.Pens! On a desk!! Who'd have thunk it - not a prediction, certainty
7 The walls are white or pale in colour and the floor is green or beige. Given the ongoing fashion for pale\neutral colours - not a prediction just playing the odds
8 There is a black plastic object on the desk.See above - it's a near certainty
9 On paper nearby are written the words "they" , "I", and "the".And they're uncommon words aren't they ::)
10 Its raining/ has rained recently.*cough* http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/
11 Recently you either ate or saw potatoes and peaches. Potatoes?! Are you serious - they're a staple and with the 'recently in there it's a certainty
12 Recently you have seen the moon.What with it being night and all, and how long is 'recently?

My comments in red


I've numbered them to make it easy for a little experiment. Could people post which numbers apply to them please and to make it a little easier Recently = within the last week.

I've got 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12

[kath23]

2, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12

[wollery]

3, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11.

50%, but only because of vagueness.

I do actually have a question. How come Mattca Alik He speaks bad English?

I can understand how you might claim that he speaks English through your facility to speak English, but then he should speak English the way you do. If he doesn't speak English through your facility to do so then I would have thought that his English would either be good due to his being a spirit and able to take in information, or archaic due to his learning it a very long time ago, or he'd speak a different language entirely due to dying before English evolved. But bad English I don't get.

[vbloke]

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
My name derives from the Roman god of war.

You live near a large, busy city.
Who doesn't in the UK? You're also never more than 60 miles away from the sea.

You have blue or blue/green eyes.
65% of people in the UK have blue eyes. Both are very common in the UK and Europe.

You were/ are wearing orange, or bright colours.
My "fashion" sense is well documented on this board and also elsewhere on the internet. It only takes 2 minutes of Google to find that out.

You have a powerful computer of a wooden/ wood effect desk.
At home or work?

There are pens and/or other writing implements nearby.
That's like saying "there's a road and cars are nearby"

The walls are white or pale in colour and the floor is green or beige.
Traditional colours and very much in fashion nowadays.

There is a black plastic object on the desk.
Actually, no.

On paper nearby are written the words "they" , "I", and "the".
In what order and what context?

Its raining/ has rained recently.
You are aware that it's autumn in the UK aren't you?

Recently you either ate or saw potatoes and peaches.
I dislike peaches and haven't eaten them for years. Potatoes are a commonn food, so I'm not giving you that. It's like saying "you breathed recently".

Recently you have seen the moon.
I also think that my hobby is well mentioned on this forum. No dice.

If this is the best that M.A.H. can do, I suggest you sack him and get a new guide - he's not very good and far too vague to be of use.

How can he know of computers and plastic, but not have access to weather reports?

[Melanie]

I can say Yes to;

1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12.

That's 11 out of 12 correct! Good heavens! And I didn't even ask for a reading! How remarkable!

I would argue with 3, as I never do wear bright colours. Perhaps the spirit world is trying to tell me I should do so more often!

[Dr B]

Is it ok for a guy to laugh so hard that a little bit of wee comes out? :-[

Is this really the 'evidence' that is so hard it converts everyone ???

Sorry I have to go change my underwear as there is a rainbow over me at the moment ;D

[Jocky]

I love this thread. Psyspi you are a comic genius.
Have to agree, seren O0


Is it ok for a guy to laugh so hard a little bit of wee comes out?
Under the circumstances Doc, we'll let you off :D

OK, I'll play:

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
HIT - My name is related to an archaic french word for woodlands
You live near a large, busy city.
HIT - Oxford
You have blue or blue/green eyes.
MISS - Grey/green
You were/ are wearing orange, or bright colours.
MISS - Who d'you think I am, the Bad Homeopath?
You have a powerful computer of a wooden/ wood effect desk.
HIT - Duh
There are pens and/or other writing implements nearby.
HIT - but unbelievably lame
The walls are white or pale in colour and the floor is green or beige.
HIT - Cream walls
MISS - grey carpet
There is a black plastic object on the desk.
HIT - phone
On paper nearby are written the words "they" , "I", and "the".
HIT - I'd have been more impressed if Mattca Alik had got "people-oriented, task-centred management culture", but then he probably didn't know what it meant either :)
Its raining/ has rained recently.
HIT - Pouring right now
Recently you either ate or saw potatoes and peaches.
HIT - but "Recently you saw potatoes" has to be one of the lamest predictions I have ever seen
Recently you have seen the moon.
HIT - My daughter points it out to me at bedtime every evening.

9.5 out of 12

PsiSpy, can you ask Mattca Alik to answer similar questions about someone's environment but which are specified in advance? For example: I have a coffee cup which sits on my wood effect desk, right next to the black plastic telephone. It has no pattern and is a single colour. What colour is it?

[Dr B]

Before I start laughing too hard can I just ask what a Transcryptoplaneologist is? It's not in any dictionary I looked at and it even stumped the mighty Google....







Trans=alternate
crypto= hidden
plane= dimension
ologist= studyer
"Transcryptoplaneologist= one who studies alternate, hidden dimensions (like the spirit world e.t.c)


How do you study something for which there is no evidence and it is soooooo unlikely that it exists? Its like studying mental jam...... :D

[Dr B]

The predictions explained-

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.

What does this mean?



You live near a large, busy city.

If this was wrong would you say - he once did, or knows someone that does? In the cosmic / universe sense - we are all near cities....you see, its meaningless.


You have blue or blue/green eyes.

Why dont you know exactly? Also, many people do.


You were/ are wearing orange, or bright colours.

Again - why dont you know? You are providing multiple answers here - edging your bets?


You have a powerful computer of a wooden/ wood effect desk.

How would an ancient soul know what a computer is - can he fix mine?


There are pens and/or other writing implements nearby.
The walls are white or pale in colour and the floor is green or beige.
There is a black plastic object on the desk.
On paper nearby are written the words "they" , "I", and "the".
Its raining/ has rained recently.

all far too common and not detailed enough - its fishing, it is not information at all.


Recently you either ate or saw potatoes and peaches.
Recently you have seen the moon.


I remain unimpressed and look forward to this 'hard evidence' O0 Cat pictures anyone?

[Jocky]

The predictions explained-

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
What does this mean?


It's another superficially impressive lucky dip job - with a surprisingly high probability of a hit.

Doc, you're a hit on that one - your surname means 'Broad Meadow'!

[Dr B]

If I were to say "I am getting an image of someone.....i see hair, a face, two legs....etc" and offerred this to someone as evidence all i have really done is describe a human - not a specific person.

The problem with information like this is its all categorical and exists at the supraordinate rather than subordinate level (i.e., a fruit vs apple). Herein lies the problem. It seems that psychic ability hides in the vagueness of language.

[Dr B]

The predictions explained-

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
What does this mean?


It's another superficially impressive lucky dip job - with a surprisingly high probability of a hit.

Doc, you're a hit on that one - your surname means 'Broad Meadow'!


I thought it meant wooded clearing....but i bow to your expertise on this one

[Jocky]

The predictions explained-

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
What does this mean?


It's another superficially impressive lucky dip job - with a surprisingly high probability of a hit.

Doc, you're a hit on that one - your surname means 'Broad Meadow'!


I thought it meant wooded clearing....but i bow to your expertise on this one


I bow to the Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names, which says it's Old Norse. (Reference from http://www.regia.org/languag.htm).

Either way, it's a still "hit" - as you say, the trick is to subsume as many levels of meaning as possible into the language of a reading, and then let subjective validation do the rest.


BTW, is "supraordinate" in your last post actually superordinate (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=superordinate)?

sorry :-[

[kath23]

The esteemed guide didn't allow for my being on a lappy in bed :)

[Dr B]

The predictions explained-

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
What does this mean?


It's another superficially impressive lucky dip job - with a surprisingly high probability of a hit.

Doc, you're a hit on that one - your surname means 'Broad Meadow'!


I thought it meant wooded clearing....but i bow to your expertise on this one


I bow to the Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names, which says it's Old Norse. (Reference from http://www.regia.org/languag.htm).

Either way, it's a still "hit" - as you say, the trick is to subsume as many levels of meaning as possible into the language of a reading, and then let subjective validation do the rest.


BTW, is "supraordinate" in your last post actually superordinate (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=superordinate)?

sorry :-[


Not at all - you are quite right, my fingers cannot type and the speed my brain would ideally like.......

If you look at normal conversations - we improve our clarity at the subordinate level "pass me an apple" says more than "pass me that fruit". The problem is getting self-claimed psychics to stick to this more usual level of information and clarity. I know why of course, being vague in this way improves their chances of a hit because vague information can be made to fit anything (as we can see above O0)

Interestingly, patients can show different deficits in processing at the different subordinate / superordinate levels which can be independent of each other. I wonder if psychics have hyper-excitation in superordinate representational systems? I feel an experiment coming on.......

[PsySpi]

I do actually have a question. How come Mattca Alik He speaks bad English?

I can understand how you might claim that he speaks English through your facility to speak English, but then he should speak English the way you do. If he doesn't speak English through your facility to do so then I would have thought that his English would either be good due to his being a spirit and able to take in information, or archaic due to his learning it a very long time ago, or he'd speak a different language entirely due to dying before English evolved. But bad English I don't get.


Mattca has trouble typing since he must control my hand. He is capable of communicating perfectly to me, but only when the passage between dimensions allows it. Therefore it is easier to let him have control of my hand, even though the barrier he can make sense, it's just he can't delete mistakes or move the mouse, and the clarity of his control varies.

[Dr B]

Mattca has trouble typing since he must control my hand. He is capable of communicating perfectly to me, but only when the passage between dimensions allows it. Therefore it is easier to let him have control of my hand, even though the barrier he can make sense, it's just he can't delete mistakes or move the mouse, and the clarity of his control varies.


I think I missed the evidence for any of this???? :-\ I am interested in what makes you think there is this 'other being' that controls your actions and it is not just an instance where, may be you loose control slightly of your feeling of ownership over your own actions. Just a thought - and one meant sincerely. O0

[PsySpi]

Your name retates to the earth or nature, or you identify with these concepts.
My name derives from the Roman god of war.

Which is also a planet much like the earth.




You live near a large, busy city.
Who doesn't in the UK? You're also never more than 60 miles away from the sea.

you live within a few miles from its centre.


You have blue or blue/green eyes.
65% of people in the UK have blue eyes. Both are very common in the UK and Europe.

then thats almost a 50% 50% chance. Did Mattca get it right?



You were/ are wearing orange, or bright colours.
My "fashion" sense is well documented on this board and also elsewhere on the internet. It only takes 2 minutes of Google to find that out.


Then he was right?



You have a powerful computer of a wooden/ wood effect desk.
At home or work?

At home I think, though Mattca didn't make it clear.



There are pens and/or other writing implements nearby.
That's like saying "there's a road and cars are nearby"


Any unusual "writing implements?"



The walls are white or pale in colour and the floor is green or beige.
Traditional colours and very much in fashion nowadays.

So he was right?


There is a black plastic object on the desk.
Actually, no.

Maybe there usually is?



On paper nearby are written the words "they" , "I", and "the".
In what order and what context?

Some notes, in the order given.



Its raining/ has rained recently.
You are aware that it's autumn in the UK aren't you?

But the rain was unusually heavy?


Recently you either ate or saw potatoes and peaches.
I dislike peaches and haven't eaten them for years. Potatoes are a commonn food, so I'm not giving you that. It's like saying "you breathed recently".


But you saw or thought about them right? Maybe Mattca picked up on your dislike?



Recently you have seen the moon.
I also think that my hobby is well mentioned on this forum. No dice.


Then that is what Mattca was refering to.




If this is the best that M.A.H. can do, I suggest you sack him and get a new guide - he's not very good and far too vague to be of use.

How can he know of computers and plastic, but not have access to weather reports?


He's one of the best guides I've known.

He is very wise, and knows what he sees. He has been learning for millenia.

[PsySpi]

PsiSpy, can you ask Mattca Alik to answer similar questions about someone's environment but which are specified in advance? For example: I have a coffee cup which sits on my wood effect desk, right next to the black plastic telephone. It has no pattern and is a single colour. What colour is it?


Yes. Follow the instructions in the beginning of this thread (say and type Mattca's name seven times,) and then post the questions you want answering.

[PsySpi]

Mattca has trouble typing since he must control my hand. He is capable of communicating perfectly to me, but only when the passage between dimensions allows it. Therefore it is easier to let him have control of my hand, even though the barrier he can make sense, it's just he can't delete mistakes or move the mouse, and the clarity of his control varies.


I think I missed the evidence for any of this???? :-\ I am interested in what makes you think there is this 'other being' that controls your actions and it is not just an instance where, may be you loose control slightly of your feeling of ownership over your own actions. Just a thought - and one meant sincerely. O0


Because Mattca make sense.

Because Mattca speaks of things I know nothing about.

[Jocky]

PsiSpy, can you ask Mattca Alik to answer similar questions about someone's environment but which are specified in advance? For example: I have a coffee cup which sits on my wood effect desk, right next to the black plastic telephone. It has no pattern and is a single colour. What colour is it?


Yes. Follow the instructions in the beginning of this thread (say and type Mattca's name seven times,) and then post the questions you want answering.


OK, I'll play. These will be the instructions you meant, I suppose:


The best way to do this is for you to type out "Mattca Alik He" repeatedly (seven or more times) while saying the words to yourself, then post the resulting message.

This will allow Mattca to find you, however the reading might be a little vague.


Thing is, this time it's not vague. There is a specific, easy thing I am asking. The cup is there.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

Has it worked?

[Dr B]

Psyspi

No - you only have the impression of alienation from your own thoughts. There is nothing here that counts as 'knowing' in terms of your so-called reading, so may be you are basing that on something else (something more impressive?).

If I say, I have been told you have a brain - I am, of course correct - but that does not mean this 'knowledge' was passed to me in any spiritual way. There is no criteria on which to be wrong with a meaningless claim like that so it is, by definition, not correct, but meaningless

[PsySpi]

PsiSpy, can you ask Mattca Alik to answer similar questions about someone's environment but which are specified in advance? For example: I have a coffee cup which sits on my wood effect desk, right next to the black plastic telephone. It has no pattern and is a single colour. What colour is it?


Yes. Follow the instructions in the beginning of this thread (say and type Mattca's name seven times,) and then post the questions you want answering.


OK, I'll play. These will be the instructions you meant, I suppose:


The best way to do this is for you to type out "Mattca Alik He" repeatedly (seven or more times) while saying the words to yourself, then post the resulting message.

This will allow Mattca to find you, however the reading might be a little vague.


Thing is, this time it's not vague. There is a specific, easy thing I am asking. The cup is there.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

Has it worked?


It Has.

Mattca, what colour is the cup?

the blue of deep skies

I believe he means like the forum, but deeper?

[Jocky]

PsySpi,

Thanks for your prompt reply. This is interesting. We are of course on mutual trust that we are both playing by the rules here ...

OK, I've logged the outcome of that trial. I will reveal it - honestly - very shortly.

I have now removed the first cup to another room, and exchanged it for another, which is sitting in exactly the same spot.

Is Mattca Alik still around? I shall try to invoke him again now ...

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

What colour is the second cup?

[PsySpi]

PsySpi,

Thanks for your prompt reply. This is interesting. We are of course on mutual trust that we are both playing by the rules here ...

OK, I've logged the outcome of that trial. I will reveal it - honestly - very shortly.

I have now removed the first cup to another room, and exchanged it for another, which is sitting in exactly the same spot.

Is Mattca Alik still around? I shall try to invoke him again now ...

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

What colour is the second cup?



It is of the yellow sun

[Jocky]

Thanks PsySpi! This is good stuff - kudos to you for having the courage of your conviction O0

Once again, I have swapped the cup. The new cup is in exactly the same place as the other two.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

Has he got another answer?

[PsySpi]

Thanks PsySpi! This is good stuff - kudos to you for having the courage of your conviction O0

Once again, I have swapped the cup. The new cup is in exactly the same place as the other two.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

Has he got another answer?


Silver, like the stars

[Jocky]

Excellent :)

Two more and we're done. I hope Mattca Alik is OK for that ...

Fourth trial begins now ...

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

I await eagerly ...

[Mojo]

I've numbered them to make it easy for a little experiment. Could people post which numbers apply to them please and to make it a little easier Recently = within the last week.

I've got 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 I managed to match 1, 2, 3 ,4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

Only a 1/2 mark for 7, though, because although the walls are pale, the carpet is a sort of blueish colour. Hang on, though. PsySpi said floor, not carpet. The floor itself consists of wooden floorboards. The wood is a sort of beige colour.

12 out of 12!

[sonofajoiner]

I've numbered them to make it easy for a little experiment. Could people post which numbers apply to them please and to make it a little easier Recently = within the last week.


Managed to stop laughing long enough to post all those that relate to me.
Seriously though, 'have you seen a potato'. I thought I was going to die. :D

2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11.

[PsySpi]

Excellent :)

Two more and we're done. I hope Mattca Alik is OK for that ...

Fourth trial begins now ...

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

I await eagerly ...


I see no cup

[Jocky]

Thanks! Now for the last one.

I've run out of cups which are a single colour, so this cup has two colours on it - background and writing. The colour I'd like Mattca Alik to spot is the colour of the writing.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

There we go ...

[PsySpi]

Thanks! Now for the last one.

I've run out of cups which are a single colour, so this cup has two colours on it - background and writing. The colour I'd like Mattca Alik to spot is the colour of the writing.

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He

There we go ...


The writing is as of blood

[Jocky]

What an interesting little game! Mattca Alik scored as follows:

the blue of deep skies
The mug was dark blue, about the colour of a Chelsea strip.
Half a hit.

It is of the yellow sun
The mug was plain white.
Miss.

Silver, like the stars
This was a plastic disposable translucent cup, of the sort you get on water coolers.
Half a hit.

I see no cup
This was a catch trial, with no drinking recepticle of any kind present on the desk.
Hit [although there was a guessable clue to this fact in the manner I phrased the preceding post, of course]

The writing is as of blood
The mug was light cream, and the writing on it was pink - a shade I suppose you might call 'coral'.
Half a hit.

2.5 out of five :P
Or if you're mean >:( it's zero out of five
Or if you're generous :D it's four out of five

Encouraging, though.

PsySpi, we seem to have established a technique whereby your claimed ability appears to be capable of functioning. Do you agree?

As you no doubt know, we skeptics like our proof in a form which allows for numerical analysis, and is conducted under controlled repeatable circumstances. We're sad like that.

Are you willing to repeat this exercise on a pre-arranged date, conducted using a similar technique but subject to a pre-agreed set of conditions? I believe we could devise a simple protocol which would establish the extent to which Mattca Alik's observations exceed what would be expected by chance.

[PsySpi]

PsySpi, we seem to have established a technique whereby your claimed ability appears to be capable of functioning. Do you agree?

I agree my ability is functioning under these conditions.




As you no doubt know, we skeptics like our proof in a form which allows for numerical analysis, and is conducted under controlled repeatable circumstances. We're sad like that.

Are you willing to repeat this exercise on a pre-arranged date, conducted using a similar technique but subject to a pre-agreed set of conditions? I believe we could devise a simple protocol which would establish the extent to which Mattca Alik's observations exceed what would be expected by chance.


What sort of conditions and protocol do you plan?

[Jocky]

Hi PsySpi.

I have to go and get my kids now, but I will get back to you as soon as I can with more details.

Many thanks for participating in an interesting exchange today 8)

All the best,

Jocky

[Admin]

I think Most Haunted have their new resident psychic in waiting!! ;D

They should get a few extra series out of Mattca Alik (attack mail) and his spooky antics. ???

[Dr B]

Teek suggested pages ago it was a spoof, I was thinking it was either a computer prog randomly generating answers or one of our friends from you-know-where trying to stir things up.

Either way, its still nonsense. O0

[Araneus]

Trans=alternate
crypto= hidden
plane= dimension
ologist= studyer
"Transcryptoplaneologist= one who studies alternate, hidden dimensions (like the spirit world e.t.c)


Trans (Latin) = across
Kryptos (Greek) = hidden/secret
Planus (Latin) = flat
Logos (Greek) = word (used in -ology to mean study in English)

So a transcryptoplaneologist would be somebody who goes across to study hidden flat things, whatever that means -- perhaps taking a trip to study the Salt Flats during the hours of darkness would qualify.

[Jocky]

Trans (Latin) = across
Kryptos (Greek) = hidden/secret
Planus (Latin) = flat
Logos (Greek) = word (used in -ology to mean study in English)


;D

Well pedanted, Araneus O0

Can't think how I missed those dodgy derivations - I must be slipping :-\

[Mojo]

Trans (Latin) = across
Kryptos (Greek) = hidden/secret
Planus (Latin) = flat
Logos (Greek) = word (used in -ology to mean study in English)

So a transcryptoplaneologist would be somebody who goes across to study hidden flat things, whatever that means -- perhaps taking a trip to study the Salt Flats during the hours of darkness would qualify.

Maybe it's a filing clerk.

[PsySpi]

Trans=alternate
crypto= hidden
plane= dimension
ologist= studyer
"Transcryptoplaneologist= one who studies alternate, hidden dimensions (like the spirit world e.t.c)


Trans (Latin) = across
Kryptos (Greek) = hidden/secret
Planus (Latin) = flat
Logos (Greek) = word (used in -ology to mean study in English)

So a transcryptoplaneologist would be somebody who goes across to study hidden flat things, whatever that means -- perhaps taking a trip to study the Salt Flats during the hours of darkness would qualify.


But plane as in "dimensional plane" would be derived from "flat" (as in the dimensions are like the flat strata in a rock prehaps) and trans as across also works, since it relates to crossing over into the spirit planes.

Therefore, prehaps more accurately a transcryptoplaneologist is "one who studies the hidden planes alongside (across from) ours."

[PsySpi]

Teek suggested pages ago it was a spoof, I was thinking it was either a computer prog randomly generating answers or one of our friends from you-know-where trying to stir things up.

Either way, its still nonsense. O0


I am not a computer programme!

error code #100293
warning identity detected
Bot code #30033 "Psyspi" identity is suspected.
Alert: misson could be compromised
01223884433-934774747833
Reboot attemped.....
Negative energy firewall active.
Evil spirit blocker at 100%
"Mattca Alik He" subsystems functional.
Interfacing with netherworld....success
Mental proccessing....100% capacity
Spirit transmitter....online
System is online
All Psychic interfaces are normal
Ready to recieve next transmisson

[Jocky]

error code #100293
warning identity detected
Bot code #30033 "Psyspi" identity is suspected.
Alert: misson could be compromised
01223884433-934774747833
Reboot attemped.....
Negative energy firewall active.
Evil spirit blocker at 100%
"Mattca Alik He" subsystems functional.
Interfacing with netherworld....success
Mental proccessing....100% capacity
Spirit transmitter....online
System is online
All Psychic interfaces are normal
Ready to recieve next transmisson

;D ;D

Good one PsySpi!

[Dr B]

and the nonsense????????? ;D ;D i note you did not take issue with that ;D ;D

your reading looks like an old word-comprehension programme (early AI from the 1960s)......answers that mean nothing....

I doubt your claims, and wonder about the sincerity of your questions. However, I am happy to discuss these matters in an objective manner. You will note i have provided a number of comments over recent pages - none of which you have tackled. If you truly want to explore these issues, then lets do it - but you are going to have to consider alternatives and provide, evidence, reason, and argument for your position - otherwise it usually goes no where. Anecdotes wont do.

I have listened to your comments and provided alternatives. O0

[Jocky]

Hi PsySpi,


What sort of conditions and protocol do you plan?

Further to my suggestion of a couple of days ago, here is my proposal:

I will obtain four mugs, each of a different colour. I'll make sure that the colours are very clearly distinct from each other, so there can be no confusion. Each mug will have a simple one word description of the colour (example "blue"), and I'll post a list of what these are. I'll even provide a picture of the mugs, if you like.


I will speak nicely to some mods, and ask them to set up a hidden thread which only I can open.


You and I agree in advance a time when we can both be online and available. At this time we will perform an agreed number of trials (I suggest 20), in much the same way as we did above. We'll start a new thread for this purpose. I recommend that we run some test trials first (just to make sure Mattca Alik is playing ball).


Each Trial will proceed as follows:

1. I will select at random which of the four mugs will be present at the normal place on my desk, or whether there will be no mug present at all (equal chance of each).
2. I will post the result of this random selection in the hidden thread, and then invoke Mattca Alik in the usual way in the public thread.
3. You will post the reply Mattca Alik gives you in the public thread. The only words in this reply which will count are one of the four stipulated colours, or the phrase "no cup". If more than one of these phrases are present, the first one posted will count. If none are present, the trial is unsuccessful.
4. Other posters are welcome to supply their guesses as to the colour if they like.
5. After you have posted Mattca Alik's reply, I will immediately proceed to the next trial (so it won't take too long).

After all trials have been completed, the hidden thread will be made public.

How does that sound?

[Jocky]

[stands around waiting for an answer for a bit]

Well, well, Psyspi has evaporated.

What a surprise ...

Going to prove me wrong and come back, Psyspi? Or does Mattca Alik not fancy his chances in a controlled test :P

[PsySpi]

[stands around waiting for an answer for a bit]

Well, well, Psyspi has evaporated.

What a surprise ...

Going to prove me wrong and come back, Psyspi? Or does Mattca Alik not fancy his chances in a controlled test :P


I am still here.


The trial sounds fine, though some questions- what colours will the mugs be? Since Mattca tends towards cryptic and poetic answers they need to be distinct enough that I wont make a mistake decoding them into the allowed answers.

"No cup" is fine for when their is no cup. Red, Blue, White and Black would probably work best. For comparison, a line up of "nature" colours, green, yellow, brown, grey would be hardest to decode.

[Jocky]

PsySpi, I'm delighted to see you! :) I had almost given up hope ...

I agree that the colours must be distinct enough that no imsunderstanding could occur. If you are happiest with Red, Blue, White and Black then that is fine by me. I will go out and procure the cups over the next day or two, and let you know when I've got them.

Jocky

[Jocky]

PsySpi,

Are you still there?

Sorry it has taken longer that I thought - but I now have the four cups with the requested colours ready, and John has kindly agreed to set up the hidden thread. We can therefore proceed with the trials, if you are still up for it ...

[Jocky]

[stands around waiting for an answer for a bit]

Well, well, Psyspi has evaporated.

What a surprise ...

Going to prove me wrong and come back, Psyspi? Or does Mattca Alik not fancy his chances in a controlled test :P


Like I said ::)

PsySpi, once more I can only assume that you've turned tail and fled. If you are still here, feel free to prove me wrong. The cups are ready and waiting, any time you are ...

[Admin]

Psychics, however genuine they may feel themselves to be (and I doubt it here), seem to have an aversion to proving their ability! :-\

Jocky, I'm still rather busy but I'll set up the interactive testing system that lends itself to this type of live test as soon as I can. i.e. a matter of a couple of weeks or so.

It cannot, by its very nature, be a transparent system, but it will be good enough for initial testing and could work as a screening method to assess anyone who wishes to be tested. O0

[Jocky]

Thanks, John.

A screening system was exactly what I had in mind. IMO, we should be ready to give those who claim psychic ability a fair chance to demonstrate that their powers are genuine. Setting up FTF tests is time-consuming and expensive, so having a way of running a preliminary trial cheaply and quickly could turn out to be handy. If the powers don't work under such circumstances, it is unlikely to be worthwhile organising a full-scale test.

I share your skepticism about PsySpi. All I can say is:

Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
Mattca Alik He
etc ...

[PsySpi]

I'm still around, just been busy lately.

[Jocky]

I'm still around, just been busy lately.


PsySpi! Hurrah! Good to see you O0

Please forgive my cynicism, but as you are probably aware many people who claim abilities of this kind are not keen on trials of any kind. Kudos to you for having confidence in your claim O0 IMO, anyone who makes a paranormal claim and is willing to stand by it when asked to demonstrate under controlled conditions deserves considerable credit, regardless of the outcome.

Of course, a brief online trial like this cannot be said to prove anything conclusively in itself - but a positive outcome would be evidence indicating to me that your ability is worth exploring in more detail.

I speak personally here, not on behalf of UKS - but I would have thought that if you can identify the colour of the cups at a rate significantly greater than chance then organising a more formal FTF experiment could be worthwhile.

OK, I've got the cups ready (actually not all in the same place today but I'll sort that by tomorrow).

As soon as John's feet touch the ground enough to allow him to sort out the hidden thread, we're on. We need to start talking about a mutually convenient time - something like between 5 and 6 on a Monday or Tuesday, or possible a weekday lunchtime between 1 and 2 would be good for me. How about you?

[Admin]

Right - an on-line, real-time testing system.

I'll make a start on it this week. O0

[ghosthunterbebunker]

He'll have to be clearer than that.

Orange, yellow - what do these mean?
M? Is that my name?
Trees - what about trees?
Eye? Well, I have two of them.
River - which one?
Fog - what fog?
Water - what does that mean? Water can be blue, green or brown.



Are you wearing those colours?

Does your name begin with M?

Does your name relate to trees?

Do you live near a river?

Near an eye shaped window or rock?

Near trees?

Are your eyes blue or green?


Oh wow do you live near a river, or trees are flippin joking!