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Mulder
14th October 2008, 04:01 PM
I analysed a 'paranormal' photo for someone recently. Having given my opinion, they told there was no point sending me any more photos as I would never believe!

I wondered if this was an example of 'believer' mentality but I realised it was probably more a case of misunderstanding the scientific method. From other comments he made, it was obvious that the whole idea of testing evidence was alien to him. Another concept he didn't understand was that, if you can't eliminate a plausible natural explanation you can hardly claim something to be paranormal. It is a sad fact that in the vast majority of apparently paranormal cases, relevant information that would have eliminated natural explanations simply wasn't recorded at the time.

Among believers I've noticed that there is a marked reluctance to let 'evidence' go when they didn't collect the evidence to eliminate natural causes.

For instance, if it was crucial to a natural theory that the lighting at a specific place was particularly low for the time of day, they will look up the weather for that day on the web and say, triumphantly, 'it was sunny'! However, because the weather was 'sunny' for a large area, it doesn't follow it was actually sunny in that particular location at that specific time. 'Do you remember it being sunny?' 'I remember not wearing a hat, so it must have been sunny.' And so on and so on, steadily getting sillier and sillier.

Such 'evidence testing' seems obvious to me but, clearly not to believers. They tend to take things at face value. If there's anything science makes clear it is that 'face value' is almost always wrong.

Dr B
15th October 2008, 07:40 AM
was he from Cannock? ;D;D;D

Mulder
15th October 2008, 09:04 AM
No, the US. Funnily enough, I analysed another photo for someone in the US the other day and my opinions were accepted. It goes to show not everyone in the US is ...

Matt
15th October 2008, 09:19 AM
It goes to show not everyone in the US is ...

... American?

Croydon Bob
15th October 2008, 10:40 AM
Do scientists think differently?

No, I don't think so. I'm not a scientist, I write for a living. Well, I have "O" level, physics, chemistry and biology, which makes me a scientific genius compared to some of the woo brigade, but I think most scientists would agree that I am not a scientist. James Randi is also not a scientist. Rupert Sheldrake, on the other hand, is a scientist. So I don't think that the dividing line lies between scientists and non-scientists.

Dr B
15th October 2008, 11:16 AM
Do scientists think differently?

No, I don't think so. I'm not a scientist, I write for a living. Well, I have "O" level, physics, chemistry and biology, which makes me a scientific genius compared to some of the woo brigade, but I think most scientists would agree that I am not a scientist. James Randi is also not a scientist. Rupert Sheldrake, on the other hand, is a scientist. So I don't think that the dividing line lies between scientists and non-scientists.


I dont think that was the point Mulder was making. He was generalising of course.......

lazerustheduck
18th October 2008, 03:58 PM
Do scientists think differently?

No, I don't think so. I'm not a scientist, I write for a living. Well, I have "O" level, physics, chemistry and biology, which makes me a scientific genius compared to some of the woo brigade, but I think most scientists would agree that I am not a scientist. James Randi is also not a scientist. Rupert Sheldrake, on the other hand, is a scientist. So I don't think that the dividing line lies between scientists and non-scientists.Just to go O.T. for a second I love when someone says "O" level, it stops me feeling so old for a second or two.O0

Tony Williams
19th October 2008, 07:43 AM
It isn't just scientists. It's simply evidence-based rational analysis, and while it's the bedrock of the scientific method, it's used in other fields too. Historical research is a good example. It also features (or should feature) in many aspects of the law, from a police investigation to a court case.

Those who don't grasp the principle are either badly educated or incapable of understanding it.