Rick Ross cult buster or cultist?

[davron]

Rick Ross, no not the Rap boy.

I have been looking at Rick Ross Forum and the history of the owner is very interesting. At one point I asked in Skeptics what Rick Ross got out of running it. I had always assumed that he had some form of psych science training, but no. RR is your genuine USA oppertunist, a history of mental disturbance, theft, bank robbery, credit card fraud and kidnaping.

It would appear that he never evaluates the statments made on his site. Any dispute with any formal religon or organisation is always assumed to be true. I have began to look around due to the last posting made by a moderator on the site. This man issued a warning that 'Trolls' ( little men who dig holes in the ground and rescue Snow White) were opperating on the site. A perfectly reasoned statment that asked for calm and resolution was branded as subversive.

It would appear that the Rick Ross Forum moderators will support any postings that condem any group, but never one that supports calm and reason.

The reasoned statment, well I consider it as such.

I agree with you dr thomas, speculation never solved anything
The real victims/patients- need to feel safe on this site and feel they are supported to make a statement to witness or to the police
Those on here that were apprentices, friends or ex lovers, your redress is slightly more complex. I would respectfully suggest that you join together, help each other and see what you can do to recover yourselves and each other. In fighting wont make a difference to anything. If you want to move on, perhaps you can give each other the strength to do that. As only you know what it was truly like to be that close to him and how he hurt you/betrayed you.
As we know CH does read this forum- so I would again respectfully urge him to take a very close look at your actions,their causes, the people in your life who you have hurt and where this behaviour is coming from. Only you can make this stop for good. And really there must be something in you that must want to, that needs to. Abuse is a cycle. One can only imagine where this behaviour comes from in you. Perhaps its time to put to rest the ghosts of your past and start mending the present.
If there is anyone here who is a therapist or knows about such behaviour patterns maybe you could shed some light on all this and suggest a way ahead
Finally,anger and mob mentality never solved anything.
Any kind of redress has to be done with compassion and care.
This is about finding the best way to stop this behaviour from continuing, preserving some human compassion and staying in the truth.
There are real stories of healing too and in the effort to get "justice" those should not be negated.
Perhaps one day CH can be a true healer/alternative therapist.
Right now he is no longer fit for that. This is not about saying if you had results from his work you are wrong or imaging it and if you didnt you were abused. This is about saying, some patients were mistreated.They are left hurt and confused. They need redress and help.
CH may once have helped a lot of people. Allegations of abuse query that, so we need to find a way to get a body/someone/authority to assess whether he is fit for that now. Every car has its MOT,this is his. That is how we keep sanity, truth and hopefully stay healthy and see things as they are.
Thank you
With Peace



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jeff bowe (http://forum.rickross.com/profile.php?12,15712) Date Added: 02/24/2007 Posts: 239
Re: Christopher Hansard

I don't believe it myself, but some people may regard your comments as being the authorship of Christopher Hansard. What was that line from 'Paradise Lost'? Ah yes.... "With words clothed in reason's garb.."



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rrmoderator (http://forum.rickross.com/profile.php?12,2) Date Added: 06/17/2002 Posts: 2892
Re: Christopher Hansard

To whom it may concern:

This thread has been something of a target for "Internet trolls."

Typically the trolls here seem to be aligned and/or sympathetic in some way, shape or form to Christopher Hansard.

There was "Dr. Yeshe" and now it seema there is "Dr. Thomas."

Trolls don't are not always forthright, realizing they may be banned if they are too obvious to begin with, so they remain vague and tend to spread the blame around, playing one side against the other in an effort to subvert a thread.

They go back and forth and back and forth and so on.

"Somewheregood" appears to be doing this.

Please understand that there are few people very close to being banned on this thread.

This troll activity is growing tiresome.


Is it me or has he just endorsed the mob rule ethic and condemed reason and conciliation?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Yo Davron

Its Kris Krowe here - an old mate of Chris Farmer who has been attacked in the Ross Hansard Bowe forum. Chris is busy with some charity projects at the moment so I'm just keeping an eye on his back. As youre a military man I'm sure you know about that idea.;)

Loved your posting. That Ross forum is just insane. Ive met some very odd people over the years but nuthin like that lot.

Anyone who posts anything sensible in the Hansard thread is now regarded as flaming or as a troll.

Have you seen Bowe's latest comment brown-nosing the moderator?

The forum is offline at the moment so I can't quote Bowe but he was rabbiting on about trolls so check this out.

Bowe has a blog about Padma Gonpo whoever that is. The funny thing is that Bowe is claiming the blog is operated by Buadhach. Do a quick search in Google for Buadhach and the first thing that pops up is "Buadhach is a philosophical troll." So Bowes admitting that hes a troll.

Defined by Wikipedia as "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

That sounds like Bowe to me so shouldnt he be banned from the Ross forum?

"Is it me or has he just endorsed the mob rule ethic and condemed reason and conciliation?"

Gotta agree with that. Maybe we should join up and show them what mob rule is all about.

How about it.

KK

[davron]

Hi Kris,

I looked up on the Internet and I have discovered is that I am talking to someone famous. I pass this information on to my nephew for the first time ever in my life I am ‘cool’.8) This is a radical departure for the and has caused much humour with my friends.;D

If you look into Rick Ross forum you will see a posting by a young lady who is talking about ‘ the cult of one person’. Interestingly the definitions that the Rick Ross people give exactly match what Rick Ross is doing and what that person Jeff Bowe is doing as well.

I have been involved with much conflict in my life and what I can say is any system that automatically adopts a standpoint that the individuals grievance is right, the system automatically prevents any form of constructive dialogue and only leads to escalation of violence, distortion of the truth and gross lies.

Brown nosing? is that the same as 'a.. hole licker'? if it is very funny;D I like the idea of teaming up and playing Satans friend.>:D

Davron

[davron]

Kis

I do not know if you have seen this. The man has not replied, so working on his logic method he must be guilty.

http://www.tibetanway.co.uk/BoweLetter.html


What I do not understand of Bowe is if you wanted to ask a question of a person in the GB why would you post on American cult site?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Davron

Thanks for the comps but spare my blushes. I think Green Slime is cooler U know what I mean.;)

Checked the posting on RR and that seems about right.

I understand what you are saying about conflict. Tho my experience of that bears no resemblance to what U must have seen out there.

U got brown nosing right!

Cool to meet someone who understands the meaning of Satan. I guess thats down to where U are and reading the Tanakh.

So yeah lets team up on this. A strange team but pretty apt when U think about it.

Yr 2nd post. Yeah I saw that and Bowe hasnt replied. At least not by late Thursday in the UK. Chris Farmer was meeting the guys from Tibetan Way yesterday and he asked me to come along for a drink afterwards so I met that team. Interesting guys. A bit too peaceful for me but their hearts are in the right place and theyve all been around big time. The business client bit has now turned to friendship so I guess Bowe did them all a favour there. Adversity makes strange bedfellows.

Anyway theyve got the full SP on Bowe and I got some good info tho I promised not to spill the beans just yet. But yeah by any form of logic Bowe's guilty as hell. It will all come out soon.

U ask a good question and thats what the TW team have been asking themselves. Bowe's been asking questions in a load of blogs that he's set up as well as the forum. The joke is he's blocked the blogs so that no one can reply apart from his brown nose badboys.

Even funnier After TWs legal guys called Bowe on the phone he's now changed his number. What a wuss!!! Theyve got his address so changing his phone number aint gonna stop them dropping a writ on him by post. Unless he's done a runner or maybe he couldnt afford the phone bill.

Gotta get back to the studio now but as Uve been checking me out I guess Uve got my contact info. Drop me a line and we'll have a private chat bout all this.

Take care of yrself.

KK

[Sarama]

Davron!

You just know how passionate I am about Ricky! and you went and started a forum on him with out me?! >:-)

No invitation... no phone call... text? private message? ::)

Rick Ross, the Cult Education Cult leader himself, where he refers to "brainwashing" as "reprogramming", eerily using similar if not the exact same methods and ideologies only the best of the best of the best Cult Leaders utilise!

Be sure to visit some of the other threads, there are plenty to choose from as he has been doing this for some time now. The CH cult followers nearly pale by comparison really, though it must be said the mob on that particular forum really know how to throw a great witch burning bash and "bon" fire!

[Sarama]

Hi Ho, Dav! I think you have a case of mistaken identity. What did the Seven Dwarfs ever do to you?

http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/movies/snow/snow.html

Dopey: the youngest, sweetest, and silliest of the seven, and the only one to be completely bald and beardless; wears a too large lime green tunic and purple cap.
Grumpy: the grouchiest and most curmudgeonly of the group, though even he is supremely devoted to the beautiful Snow White; wears a red tunic, long white hair and beard.
Doc: the only one of the dwarfs to wear glasses (so presumably the most intellectual); wears an orange-brown tunic, long white hair and beard.
Happy: the most rotund of the dwarfs; wears a brownish two-tone tunic, yellow cap, long white hair and beard.
Bashful: evokes his bashful nature through a classic pose of shyness (hands clasped behind back, shoulders slightly raised, eyes upturned); sometimes difficult to distinguish between Sneezy and Sleepy; depicted in purple tunic and magenta cap (on video), as well as long white hair and beard.
Sneezy: frequently shown with one finger underneath his nose, as if trying to stifle a sneeze; sometimes difficult to distinguish between Sleepy and Bashful; wears a yellow-brown tunic, long white hair and beard.
Sleepy: perhaps the most difficult to differentiate between Sleepy and Bashful, though he wears a perpetually sleepy looking, heavily lidded expression on his face; wears a brownish tunic, green cap, long white hair and beard.

These are the bad boys Ricky was referring to, and he would know after all! He serves bull (distant relative of the billy goat) up for breakfast.
http://www.coedu.usf.edu/culture/Story/Story_Norway_Troll.htm

" All trolls have big ears and long noses, and bushy tails. Trolls are night creatures. They do not like the sunlight. They can live much longer than humans. Another super-human feat is that they can make themselves invisible."

[davron]

Apprentice,

I have heard that ‘yawn’ for real. Young men who have blown things and people up, that have taken the lives of their own people, yes mad men with guns and bombs will shoot anybody who disagrees with them. They sit there and when you ask why they say ‘yawn’, it is the sign of a person with no or lack of thought of consequence or no attachment to reality. It is usually the product of indoctrination and ‘cult’ thought. Cult thought as we are the one true holders of truth and all else has no consequence and is lies.

So, as for the truth that you have never failed to confront, are you a abuser of women as part of your cult membership? Were you indoctrinated into abuse as part of your cult membership? Were you abused by the cult leader and encouraged into a sexual arrangement with him as part of your cult membership? In your heart is this all because your cult leader has abandoned you and you are no longer a ‘special’ person?


Finally on a deeply personal note Apprentice/Dorje that was so rude to a lady! If you lived here I would give you a pistol and a head start in the desert, I would take a knife.

If you don’t understand ask Kris he knows.

Davron

[davron]

Sarama,

sorry I just got very angry, there is a lot of talk about trolls, Apprentice is one I am sure. As for getting trolls wrong I was listening to a childrens story on the radio and they mentioned both. I think I ment Troll but got snow white and her cult followers instead. Snow White because it frightened the hell out of me as a child! End sequence with the witch lady on the hill :shocked:.

I am now trying to be coll

Yo Kris! Well not green all the time but started as T'zanhanim. Went green later. What about you and what is the low down?
Brick?

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Yo Kris! Well not green all the time but started as T'zanhanim. Went green later. What about you and what is the low down?
Brick?

Davron

Brick

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment ;)

Keep outta the sun.

KK

[Sarama]

Sarama, I think I ment Troll but got snow white and her cult followers instead. Snow White because it frightened the hell out of me as a child! End sequence with the witch lady on the hill :shocked:.
Davron

Snow White and her cult of merry men? You know, I just never even thought of it in those terms, but you're right!

Now if only Ricky would let us enter Ms. White as a topic.
I'm afraid his own frequent decree of..

"The best antidote to free speech is more free speech."

...is a mere attempt to reprogramme his followers into believing he actually believes in "FREE speech".

However one only needs to wade 2 or 3 pages in to any one of his heavily "moderated" threads, and hundreds of threats and/or bans later to realise his eloquent online speech's should be read more like the following;

"The best antidote to any free speech that is not aligned with my own agenda is more banning."


rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 2905
Re: Christopher Hansard
Chris_Farmer:

Not all of your posts were approved as many were redundant and some were off topic.

- "The best antidote to redundant free speech is more redundant free speech."

No posts will be removed per your request.

The best antidote to free speech is more free speech.

You have responded to the posts about you, which is your right.

Moderators are not watching and approving posts 24-hours a day, seven days a week.

People sleep, there are different time zones and weekends.

- different time zones is too right!

Your posts will be approved if they are within the rules of the board and not needlessly redundant.

- MY rules

There have been very serious complaints posted about Hansard and it seems to fair to say that he is a controversial with growing suspicion about his background, training and credentials.If only Ricky actually believed his own lies. He's a dictator and cult leader and has no intention of letting people speak freely.
He just banned the only 3 posters that seemed to bring sensible solutions of conversation to the table, but seemingly because they were not prematurely lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks, he banned them. Oddly enough all 3 seemed adjacent to the belief that their subject was controversial, but because their postings were not fervent bordering on fanatical, they were banned!

As an example, and I'm sorry I keep coming back to it, but the same subject matter has been entered into many (I really do not care to count) forums, chat-rooms, blogs etc, and not a single 1 has reached the absolute height of hysteria that RR has, in fact many others would have slipped off Google radar a long long time ago and forced those such as apprentice to quit scratching and start acting. As apprentice so kindly offered this particular thread is still going. To say it is going "strong" might be a somewhat well... strong word, but it's still going.

However here we have 14 pages of relatively civil conversation compared to what is now 111 pages of absolute madness. What is worse is this is the sort of thing that Ricky promotes. Like all good Americans he knows the more sensational the better, and it brings up his rankings.

His many psychologists bask in it because it must be said, it's great for business! And his journalists encourage it because it sells papers, and moves their stories up from the back of the ads pages to page 2 with a larger more fear-mongering bolded headline.

[davron]

Sarama,

I had assumed that Rick Ross was backed by a group of psychologists. But it looks like he is greatly disliked by the individuals in the field of dealing with cults. He was the man who was called in by the FBI to deal with the Branch Davidians, possibly one of their greatest errors and tactical mistakes. You could say his lack of ability led to the final tragedy. It would appear that all of this he supposedly does with cults he has invented himself, I do not think he's even read Psychology for Dummies.

There is a old saying that apparently my grandmother was fond of which goes something like this 'make sure to be in with your equals if you're going to fall out with your superiors'. It would appear Rick Ross cannot even do this, I think of the lunatics being in charge of the asylum, which covers it all well. This of course applies to Geoffrey Bowe

Have a great weekend I am off to do some scuba, I am taking my nephew and now officially thinks that uncle Dav is cool as he has talked to Kris Krowe.

Davron


Kris
my e-mail is down again, you are right about your criticism of Bill Gates though I think your methods of rectifying a bit slightly more violent than mine! I was not sure about your last message do you want the ISP, do you have ISP or would you like me to get the ISP?

Also I find a piece on the Internet from my nephew about that famous route 25 party. If you are going to do one again to let me know!


Davron

[davron]

This was taken from Rick Ross Forum, it is about how not to be a cult.

Mr Bowe and Mr Ross had best read this fast. When you think of both of them it is so funny is an open criticism of who and what they are.




Okay. So on to my positive agenda.

Not every organization that critics label a cult started out to abuse its members. But without forethought, any organization can become cultic. Look at the problems the Catholic Church faces.

So here are a few tips for cult leaders. Maybe, just maybe, they can dodge the cult label.

Be Transparent
* discuss policies, procedures & scandals openly
* publicize open complaint procedures
* report public scandals promptly to members, law officials & public media
* allow free information flow & fully disclose "secrets," especially those that might affect potential members' choice to join
* fully disclose the group's political & legislative involvement
* fully disclose finances, particularly international finances, with third-party audits
* create a member-driven task force to set reasonable fees for retreats & "courses"
* dialogue openly with laity, the press & the public

Be Accountable
* publish -- and adhere to -- a set of ethics
* publish -- and adhere to -- all fees & donation policies
* oversee clergy & other agents with governing boards
* if any group agent acts unethically or illegally, take full responsibility

Advocate Freedom
* allow open questioning of the leader's beliefs & practices
* Create a mechanism for modifying beliefs & practices
* create an elective or accountable structure of representation (as in most churches)
* promote freedom of speech within the group, without reprisals for contrary opinions
* promote academic freedom for clergy & scholars
* allow access to files/records held on members & public individuals
* advocate freedom to explore our spirituality without shunning or other repercussions
* avoid use of shame or guilt to control members

Provide Member Protections
* institute safeguards against members devoting damaging amounts of time, money & emotional resources to the group

Value Respect for Non-Members
* foster a systemic respect for other spiritual traditions & non-members
* foster a systemic respect for the rule of law, rather than the belief the ends justify the means
* foster a systemic respect for members' families, whether they are members or not
* foster a systemic practice of charity & support to the less fortunate
* encourage members to live or socialize with non-group members

Provide Informed Consent
* fully disclose negative side-effects of group's mind-altering or medical techniques
* undertake real efforts to address & heal side-effects
* accept financial responsibility for members suffering side-effects

Imagine a cult that acted with this kind of integrity.

That's a spiritual organization I could be proud of.

And I'm not willing to accept anything less.

I'm sure readers will think of more bottom-line policies for successful non-cults. Please feel free to suggest them in comments below or by emailing or private messaging me.

John M. Knapp, LMSW
Therapist. Counselor. Coach.

Mr Bowe and Mr Ross are you reading this? So many documented truths you have never answered.

Any suggestions for more list additions?

Davron O0

[KrisKrowe]

Hi Dav

Good to hear from you during the week that all was well after Weds.

Thanx also for the info re the other blog last weekend. It sent CF ballistic but I calmed him down during the week and hes cool now.

Tibetan Way have brought in a new team member just to focus on Bowe so CFs free to work on his charity stuff rather than having to worry about Bowe and all his garbage.

Speaking of Bowe have you checked out the RR forum recently? No ones posted there for 12 days so the last post by Bowe is pretty accurate. Hes commenting on the Mods banning spree and says

"Dear Moderator, one down... a handful of trolls to go."

Theres only him and the Mod left so I guess he must be admitting that they are the last trolls. Maybe theyve banned themselves so no more postings.O0

I see the newbie at TW has been busy.

Theyve updated the rebuttal page at http://www.tibetanway.co.uk/rebuttal.html and it looks like Bowes been telling porkies about the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Medicine. Bowe has got to be a complete idiot if he thought he was going to get away with that.

Theyve also put up some blogs of their own re Bowe. They are at

http://tibetanway.blogspot.com/

http://jeff-bowe.blogspot.com/

http://jeffreybowe.blogspot.com/

Makes interesting reading. Bowe must be some kind of raving loony. If they put up all the stuff they showed me then the guys gonna have no cred left at all. I guess thats what happens when you make up stories and attack complete strangers.

Just popping over to the other thread to let Sarama know her predictions of Karma are coming true.

Be cool

KK

[Sarama]

Hi ya KK and Dav!

Don't worry about going to find me in another thread, we skeptics tend to "get around" if you know what I mean?

Love your list above Davron. I hope RR and JB read it as well.

I will try to make it out more to give my support. RR is just a troll who has started his own online forum nothing more. Easily done. Look at how many websites JB has started alone!

[davron]

Yo Kris and Sarama
Thanks for the links, makes interesting reading. The implication that he is talking to the Dalai Lama's office is a low down blow, such lies cause conflict.

I notice he has still not responded, if he will not respond when he has been caught publicly lying I suppose that confirms just about every thing that has been said about him. I saw his Tibet, hole in the ground, Nazi technology stuff in those old flying saucer magazines. The response from others was ridicule, but now I think they should think again. Tibetan Way, your clients, was saying the truth all the time and it was Bowe who was telling lies.

On a far more personal note, I have been called up for the reserves. I have to go for three weeks training and sleep on the ground! Sleep on the ground at my age! :alarm: That is horrid, no soft bed or morning espresso! I will take my espresso machine with me an 'essential medical equipment'.

Davron

[KrisKrowe]

Dav

Just left a posting for you in the other thread so just a quckie here.

If Bowe responds now whats he gonna say. The only thing he could say to defend himself would be to say the Dalai Lama's website is wrong. Who are people gonna believe if he tries that. That would finish off any cred hes still got.

Yeah it does make you wonder about his past and what other crap hes been into.

Sorry to hear about the reserves but I like the bed smiley.

Glad you can take the expresso machine. I cant get up in the morning without a few pints of coffee.

Im sure you'll have a laptop around or maybe something a lot more hi-tech ;) so stay in touch.

KK

[Daphne]

Almost every single thread on the Rick Ross forum has a 'trolling problem' according to him. The scary thing is this is how he conducts his so-called research. It doesn't even seem to bother him to keep posts up from people he has banned and branded an apologist, but he deletes anything that he does not agree with quickly enough.

His agenda is obvious enough in that he doesn't like any group that is not jewish as he himself is and he doesn't want to take on anyone that might be able to kick his butt like Scientology did. Most of the cults on there are obscure operations that wouldn't be heard of nevermind effect most people. The only service he provides is giving people the opportunity to be involved in a cult from their own home just by signing up to his forum - want to know what it is like to be a complete idiot that knows nothing compared to an all-powerful, all-knowing leader who claims to be enlightened so he must be - well come on in!!!

[Rupert Green]

Dear Geoffrey,

Sorry should I have called you Jeff instead or should I have called you vaidya? I have been watching the places where you are active and wondered when and where you would turn up again.

This is your old nemesis Rupert Green. It is my determination to stalk you across the Internet, leaving little gobbets of troll like dung, but this dung contains the truth. I have had the remarkably good fortune to meet many Nepalese people and refugees from Tibet. When I was informed of how are you deserted the Tibetan refugees I was appalled. To pretend to be an expert witness, to prepare biased and ill informed documents, to quote yourself as a primary source and no other. Is this the act of an expert on Tibet? No it is the act of charlatan, which you were branded in the courts, and a dreamer of the worst kind. One who would allow others to suffer for his own obsessions and madness. The one good service you did for the Tibetan refugees was failing to turn up in court in the first place. They were lucky that the courts looked kindly upon them and allowed them to stay within the UK. Had you been there no doubt they would have been deported, the court hearing ripped all of your evidence to shreds and stated that you were charlatan. That brand my friend will be burned into your forehead like the mark Cain for eternity

So Geoffrey it's time for you to think up yet another alias and try and sneak back into yet another forum and create havoc. Fortunately the inmates of this particular asylum are not abused individuals, neither do you have that remarkably odious character Richard Ross on your side as well. The people here are far too intelligent, articulate and informed to fall for your little tricks.

I see that once again you are mocking the genuine intelligence of your fellow forum posters. The members on this site have tried to keep to the point, it is you who have employed your traditional tactics of disdain.

Mahakala claims you are Canadian herbalist, if you are why are you hiding behind that name? Your lack of a name gives you no more authority, possibly less, than Kris Krowe. Declare yourself Sir.



Rupert Green

[Sarama]

Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader Mr. Ricky Ross!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

[SimonC]

Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader Mr. Ricky Ross!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

A genuine question, Sarama - who are the 'we' that you refer to in your post?

I don't think that I'm alone in not understanding the context/background to this ongoing discussion.

What's it all about?

[KrisKrowe]

Sarama


Right o' chaps! We were only awarded a mere TWO flames from the Cult Education Cult Leader Mr. Ricky Ross!

And you know what that means don't you?

We MUST endeavor to try much harder in the future!

At the moment however I'm suffering from a bad case of jet lag, thus I am on here at 4:30am adding to this much neglected thread.

We can do so much better skeptics!

Right on - we need more flames.

I gotta say tho that Ross seems to do as much research as Bowe. If you read all the crap on the Flaming website award page he's going on about the Hansard thread but he's given the award to this thread which is about him and Bowe.

In the main thread on the RR forum hes also written

"This site of "skieptics" seems a bit concerned about his thread regarding Christopher Hansard."

It looks like he's quoting a misspelling of "skieptics" and I cant find that misspelling in this thread. He spells about as well as Bowe does. Maybe thats one of Bowe's "remarkable coincidences.";)

Hard luck on the jet lag. I always found large amounts of alcohol was a good cure for that but you need to do that before you fly so it wont help you now.

Ive been hidden away in my studio so Ive not been posting but I have just about sorted out a working pattern for all the new software I've got in the studio so Ive been working on the Ross / Bowe film soundtrack. That WILL get us some extra flames. His maximum seems to be 4 flames but Im going for 5.>:D

KK

[Daphne]

I was hoping that this thread would go on with more information about Rick Ross, but seemed to be sidetracked by an argument that I can't even pretend to understand.

Looks to me like Rick monitors the internet to refute (without actually saying anything) any negative information about him. Sounds like a LOT of cult leaders.;)

He's complained that the thread is "not very original" and blames the scientologists - if only we could all be convicted kidnappers and jewel thieves and blame it on them!

[Sarama]

A genuine question, Sarama - who are the 'we' that you refer to in your post?

I don't think that I'm alone in not understanding the context/background to this ongoing discussion.

What's it all about?

Thanks SimonC, you're right. This and the other thread are somewhat unclear to say the least, and like I said in the other, I too have lost the plot completely. I will try to gather some links and info together and post it here either this evening or tomorrow morning with hopefully some help from KK and Dav? Mahakala?

[davron]

I must check on this. Hi People I have been up to my eyebrows in Indian jeep parts.. horrid things look good but fall apart at the sight of hump in the road. Only two points thats is very bad after all his site was down for a total of four days. The wonders of milspec software Kris;)

Dav

[davron]

I could not find score board but then I am so tired I cannot think but I did find this http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2033176_ufos_turn_out_to_be_fire_lanterns

The crazy thing is this all started off because of Bowe writing Flying Saucer and little blue eyed Aryans in Tibet stuff. So what do we have in Ricky's site... bogus flying saucer encounters. Now Ricky supports all of Bowes thought and comments, but does not belive in flying saucers, or maybe he does. I am now more confused, the cult man supports a cultist but does not support his cult..but! Because his cult is anti another cult he supports the anti cultist cult but not the original cult. Have I got that right?

I need a beer or three.

Davron :ponder::alien::fsm1::ponder::eek3:

[davron]

And then I found this little jem of gold.

'Disclaimer

This news page is about groups, organizations or movements, which may have been called "cults" and/or "cult-like" in some way, shape or form. But not all groups called either "cults" or "cult-like" are harmful. Instead, they may be benign and generally defined as simply people intensely devoted to a person, place or thing. Therefore, the discussion or mention of a group, organization or person on this page, is not necessarily meant pejoratively.'

But Ricky if you think it is a cult it cannot post and is banned because of 'flames', so how can the 'is not necessarily meant pejoratively' apply or even function? ::)


Now off for 4 beers
Davron

[Sarama]

I could not find score board but then I am so tired I cannot think but I did find this http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2033176_ufos_turn_out_to_be_fire_lanterns

The crazy thing is this all started off because of Bowe writing Flying Saucer and little blue eyed Aryans in Tibet stuff. So what do we have in Ricky's site... bogus flying saucer encounters. Now Ricky supports all of Bowes thought and comments, but does not belive in flying saucers, or maybe he does. I am now more confused, the cult man supports a cultist but does not support his cult..but! Because his cult is anti another cult he supports the anti cultist cult but not the original cult. Have I got that right?

I need a beer or three.

Davron :ponder::alien::fsm1::ponder::eek3:

No more beer for you, unless you pour me one as well of course. I do believe we have managed to confuse the issue even more, especially with lines like "the cult man supports a cultist but does not support his cult..but! Because his cult is anti another cult he supports the anti cultist cult but not the original cult.". I think what SimonC and John are needing are links to specific examples and a summary of Rick Ross's cult activities in this thread, and some more facts regarding the activities of Mr. Hansard in the other. O0

[vaidya]

Dear Geoffrey,

Sorry should I have called you Jeff instead or should I have called you vaidya? I have been watching the places where you are active and wondered when and where you would turn up again.

snip

So Geoffrey it's time for you to think up yet another alias and try and sneak back into yet another forum and create havoc. Fortunately the inmates of this particular asylum are not abused individuals, neither do you have that remarkably odious character Richard Ross on your side as well. The people here are far too intelligent, articulate and informed to fall for your little tricks.

I see that once again you are mocking the genuine intelligence of your fellow forum posters. The members on this site have tried to keep to the point, it is you who have employed your traditional tactics of disdain.

Mahakala claims you are Canadian herbalist, if you are why are you hiding behind that name? Your lack of a name gives you no more authority, possibly less, than Kris Krowe. Declare yourself Sir.



Rupert Green



mr green

i am not jeff bowe and i am under no obligation to make my identity public to you or anyone else

my main point in the last thread was that the issue at hand is hansard, not his accusers - glad to see that someone properly took up the cause to pop RR's balloon on a separate thread - now someone needs to start one for bowe (how about you?)

i have some personal experience with CH and am deeply disturbed by his fraudulent activities and outright deceptions - he has taken advantage of the trust and loyalty of a great many people, and he has a lot to answer for because of this

as far as i could tell bowe was simply exposing CH on RR, and while many of his points were correct, i cannot say what his motivation is/was

once again, i suggest you start up your own thread on bowe, but perhaps scale back your paranoia a little bit

vaidya

[KrisKrowe]

mr green

i am not jeff bowe and i am under no obligation to make my identity public to you or anyone else

Vaidya

Its been a while.

Mr Green probly suspects you of being Bowe cos of your choice of name. If you look at Bowe's many alter egos there is a common thread running through the names he chooses.



my main point in the last thread was that the issue at hand is hansard, not his accusers - glad to see that someone properly took up the cause to pop RR's balloon on a separate thread - now someone needs to start one for bowe (how about you?)

Like you said this thread is about Ross and since he or his moderators and Bowe seem to be joined at the hip we may as well deal with Bowe in this thread alongside his hero Ross. No need for yet another thread that would only feed Bowe's desire for publicity.


as far as i could tell bowe was simply exposing CH on RR, and while many of his points were correct, i cannot say what his motivation is/was

I got involved in all this cos Bowe attacked a friend of mine. I had no prior interest in the CH situation so I can be objective about that.

Bowe wasnt exposing CH. The RR thread was there for months before Bowe joined in. Who knows the truth about CH but all Bowe did was make allegations supported by a number of blogs that he had started himself. Quoting himself didn't prove that what he was saying was the truth. He's been asked many times for some evidence of how he obtained all his knowledge about Tibet, Bon, etc but he never answered those questions cos the fact is he was making it all up.

He kept ranting on about the Northern Treasure School and claiming that it didn't exist when even a top lama had stated that it did. Just do a seacrh on the Web and you'll find plenty of refs to that school. Many coming from respected Tibetan lamas so should we believe them or believe Bowe?

If he was really interested in CH then why has he dropped that whole thing? He's got blogs all over the Web but the only updates on them since May have been about TW not CH. After that he started attacking one of my friends and TW setting up more blogs using false names and stealing peoples identities. None of those have been updated since June. No doubt he's off attacking some other poor innocents cos that what his life is all about.

Its pretty obvious what his motivation is. He gets his kicks by making other peoples lives a misery and when hes done the damage and dirtied their name he moves on to his next victim. Even when hes proved wrong he doesn't apologise he just leaves his rubbish blogs up on the web for all to see.

Bottom line is there is plenty of proof out there that Bowe makes up stories and then tries to make people believe him by claiming that the stories are well researched and confirmed by experts. So with his lies about Tibetan medicine he dragged in the Dalai Lama's office and the NIMH. Its one thing lieing but dragging in other people is just out of order. Either Bowe never spoke with the Dalai Lama's office or with NIMH in which case that was a second lie or he did contact them and those people lied or know nothing about their subjects. Which of those do you think is the truth?

If he lied like that about Tibetan medicine while claiming to be a great expert then how much of all his other stories are true and how many are lies? If he ever had any cred he lost it when he started inventing stories to attack people he doesn't even know.

If you want info on Bowe's fantasy world then check out

http://tibetanway.blogspot.com/

http://jeff-bowe.blogspot.com/

http://jeffreybowe.blogspot.com/


once again, i suggest you start up your own thread on bowe, but perhaps scale back your paranoia a little bit

vaidya

As for paranoia maybe Mr Green has been reading too much of Bowe's crap or worse still listening to some of his podcasts. Just check those out for paranoid conspiracy crap. According to Bowe the Dalai Lama and Tibetan govt are appeasing the Chinese. The British Foreign Office is in league with the Chinese and is funding organisations in the UK that pretend to be pro-Tibet but are really minions of the Chinese govt. Loony.

KK

[mahakala]

Well rats, how did I overlook this whole thread on Rick Ross.

Vaidya,

All the evidence is pretty much in about Hansard's massive misrepresentation. He owes a lot of people a very big apology but in typically arrogant and cowardly fashion he has said little on that score.

He's probably afraid of legal rejoinders because of what is in his books but if he had an ounce of the spirit he claimed to represent he would suck it up and do the right thing.

But he won't.

[davron]

Yo Kris, Mahakala, Sarama

I found the ipodcasts, I have never heard a voice so awful it sounded like one of those fans in cheap American hotels, they grind away for hours until you stuff a towel in the hole to shut them up.>:-)

Bowe and Ross a pair made for each other. As for Mr Green he has a point I think, how can you tell it is not Bowe when the arguments and word use are the same?:undecided:

Bowe and Ross do the same thing they encourage destruction. The ones who were abused were not protected by Ross on his site, which makes him the same as Hansard. Bowe did the same as well and has lied about facts that can be proven. Sos Bowe, Hansard and Ross the same person no, the same personality and personality traits yes.

Davron

More foil is needed under my hat I think, also rubber chicken

[Rupert Green]

Vaidya if indeed you are not Mr Bowe then I do most sincerely apologise.

You assume that it is paranoia that motivates me, I can assure you that it is not the case. As has already been stated by others, Mr Bowe has a history with the Tibetan community which can only be described as exceedingly poor. He wanders through the world and internet casting both doubt and aspersions on all who do not fit his personal ‘vision of truth’ irrespective of innocence or guilt. Those who have worked with commitment towards betterment of the lot of the Tibetan peoples, those who have suffered at the hands of others are all affected by his egotistical actions. He denies all means of contact or redress to those who would rebut his statements or seek to clarify his ‘speculations’. Having observed the results of some of his actions I feel no remorse in following him across the internet.

Once again if you are not Mr Bowe I do apologise.

Rupert

[Sarama]

Please, for the love of... do NOT start a separate thread on Bowes, Bowe, Denise, Geoffrey, Jeff, whatever his/her name is. Forget about him/her/it, as Davron said he/she/it is in the same league as Ross and Hansard, and if we have learned anything at all what so ever it is that they all feed off of and prosper from such attention.

I'm inclined to agree with Davron, that those who were abused were not at all protected on RR. Many of those who attempted to bring any intelligent conversation or sound advice to the forum where immediately banned. Posters such as somewheregood, dr. thomas, dr. yeshi and many others who seemed to encourage the actual patients themselves to come forward, be supported and work together, were never to post again.

Simply because contrary to feeding into the hysteria and frenzy that was taking place they seemed to offer solutions such as the patients getting organised and considering a class action suit amoong other actions and options that are at their disposal.

Ross was not interested. He was and is only ever interested in his own bloody rankings. Therefore the more sensational, and downright crazy, the better. More readers, bigger audience.

[Across the Pond]

Well, not to bring up an old topic, but I am Jeff Bowe, but not the one you are mad at.
In June 2008, you ran a google list of all the Jeff Bowe's and actually, these are all me although the sequence of my career is a bit off:

(Jeff) Bowe is a regional vice president for The Resource Development Group, a business consulting company.

Jeff Bowe is a professional sales trainer, sales coach, and outsourced sales manager.

Jeff Bowe, Regional Vice President and Partner of the Resource Development Group LLC

Jeff Bowe of Benham Press (Indianapolis)

The speaker, Jeff Bowe, is an adjunct college instructor

So, there are more than a few of us. I was actually checking into a hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA one night and the desk clerk asked me about my suite. Well, I like to travel well, but not usually in a suite. Turns out, there were two Jeff Bowe's in that hotel the same night.

As for the artist, there is a Jeff Bowe painter in New York, I've communicated a few times. Not sure he is your "guy" either. I'm this guy [link removed]

Have a great day.

[mahakala]

I notice another person has been banned from RR, not sure for what. A suspicious mind?

[mahakala]

It also seems that there is a whole lot of battyness going on in the Christopher Hansard thread and others. The author of that thread, Pema, apparently had a chance to interview Hansard but was afraid to meet with him face to face, according to one individual bumped from the site. And because of her labeling one 'Dr. Thomas' a troll, that individual has been banned. This Pema character seems to be pretty loose with the label "sexual predator," having accused Ole Nydahl of the same on another thread, and then being challenged on that score by the same Dr. Thomas. She also seems to have it in for another Bhuddist teacher, Sogyal. Meanwhile, Gita is publishing Hansard love letters (e-mails) and the same Pema considers those valuable and damning, as did our lad, Jeff Bowe. Meanwhile, most authorities seem to have written this off as scorned lovers and the "domain of the grudge bearing" as one hack put it. I wonder why?

[mahakala]

Is he or isn't he? A sexual predator I mean. There is now a website called The Courant where it is claimed that there are 20 documented cases of abuse involving Hansard.

Hansard seems to have evoloved from a womanizing cigar smoking wino into somekind of "sex therapist." But nobody seems to be able to discern: is he a criminal, is he insane, or is he a healer who likes to push the envelope with what is considered safe and acceptible?

I wish we could get all these people in a room together and find out. I mean geez, it is really so hard to launch a lawsuit in England nowadays. Where's all those pro bono lawyers smelling blood. But then Hansard doesn't have much money so that's probably why they don't care.

Thinking about the authorities sparks my sceptism; reading RR induces paranoia.

[mahakala]

Oh my oh my. This poor lonely author now has a limp and a bad case of MPD.

Free speech. O0

But even the journalist over there doesn't advocate it.

Neither does Dorje, or Jeff Bowe, or Rick Ross.

I find that quite disturbing.

Shall we have a public burning, string up the "trolls." But who will decide who is a troll and who is not. RR, Dorje, Bowe, Pema?

My preference is to throw in a few bankers, regulators, law enforcement types and lots of journalists because they won't do their job, but that's just me.

Oh.....I'll save Hansard to the end because I'll be putting him to "the question" >:D first, soley, I admit, for my own morbid satisfaction.

Come on guys, over there on RR, admit your real motivations will you?

[mahakala]

Oh dear oh dear. I know have it on firm authority that Dorje and Rick Ross are the same person. But now this is very troubling. The author of a site devoted to getting Hansard investigated by authorities, and creator of a petition to go along with it, is calling him or herself LizzieJaneCochran. The real LizzieJaneCochran was one Nellie Bly, the famous American journalist who faked insanity in order to study a mental institution some one hundred years ago. Now this strange turn events makes me wary of everything on that site and makes me ask this question:

Does Ross realize that his deceptions bring into question all the allegations against Hansard and increase the liklihood that authorities will see it as a tiff between lovers, in this case gay lovers?

Why else would Ross, who fills his days with thoughts of all kinds of unscrupulous posers, be so interested in the Hansard affair?

[mahakala]

Strange days in the world of Christopher Hansard. The devious tactics being used by certain critics do not bode well for his capture, but smell of the training they received from him.

Is it all a replay of some old Tibetan drama: Bon warfare?

[mahakala]

Hi folks, it's your intrepid reporter mahakala here again. I have a new lead on the identity of lizzie. That is that he/she is Hansard's Canadian lover (now former). She knew he was a married man, a liar, and generally a madman but all were overlooked for a very long time. Why? Love? If Lizzie be her what are we to think about her testimony. Not long ago she was singing one tune, now she is singing another. What is true, what is not.

Any of you skeptics feel like taking Hansard out, out for a drink I mean?

[mahakala]

One other thing. The discovery about Rick Ross and Dorje and maybe/maybe not Lizzie makes me wonder, how many of the pseudo-names being used on RR are actually Mr. Ross talking to himself.

Ooooo.....I get a creepy feeling just thinking about it.

[Sarama]

15th August 2008, 08:07 PM #309 (http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43133&postcount=309) mahakala (http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/member.php?u=602)
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Re: Christopher Hansard - Tibetan Bon Medicine
That his current girlfriend is a former client is no surprise.

As to the culpability of his former girlfriend; I'm presuming she actually believed him and now regrets that as she is "former.".

Would your initials by any chance be SW?

Just curious mahakala why you now seem to be changing your tune as well and seem to be attempting to antagonise alleged victims? Evidently you are not using your real name are you? Though I am only assuming of course. Since one "dr. thomas" has been banned from the Rick Ross site I have observed your sudden re-interest in Skeptics and your questioning the integrity of others not using their own names when posting their grievances online. I can tell you right now, that they are not because they were victims, and live in some fear of their abuser retaliating. You, on the other hand seem to have no reason for the use of a false handle and continue to accuse and attack the motives of anyone who presents any allegations of abuses suffered at the hands of Christopher Hansard.
I think this needs to stop here and now, as I strongly believe that you know of some of the abuses that have been alleged and discussed safely online and perhaps have even treated or cared for some of his alleged victims being a homeopath or holistic practitioner yourself? I do not know what your motives are in blaming victims, or the integrity of those formerly or even still involved with Christopher Hansard, nor do I care. What I do know is you're a hypocrite hiding behind your own "pseudo-name" whilst defending an obvious fraud who it would appear by all accounts put forth, whether online or off, breached serious ethical and moral boundaries with those in his 'care'. Whether or not you think what he did was right or wrong, or you believe the story of his creation, and credentials, he seems to have left a trail of destruction behind him. Whether or not you want to accuse his accusers of being scorned men and women, they have been hurt and/or conned, defrauded, lied to, betrayed, something has upset them. Whatever that is, seems to caused them lasting harm and grievance and they are trying to come to terms with that in which ever way they can. Who are you to say they have not gone to the police, and they have not written letters to authorities using their real names and appealing for help? Who are you to question them going online risking exposure, and putting themselves at the mercy of a public that like you, questions what happened to them while in the care of someone they turned to for help? Only going online in order to prevent further victims.

By the way, I too 'changed my tune' rather quickly after sharing correspondence with one of his patients and you are well aware of that. It is your motives and integrity that I question.

[davron]

Mahakala,

I started this string because I was angry with the way Ross treated the victims. I have the understanding that Ross forum operates as a cult on its own. Please do not drag dead dogs into this string. There is an old saying that 'to give out satans name is to give him strength and substance'. If you ignore satan he nolonger is an object of fear just an object. Very early on i talked of people who were victims being forced to do abuse to be part of the 'special group'.

Tread with stealth because if you take this path you begin to defend the terrorist because 'he is nice to his mother' and ignore the lives he has destroyed. It was said of Goering 'he was a great family man' as a defence for being a Nazi, bombing cities, concentration camps, medical experiments etc, etc. Hansard may be nice to cats, that is not a defence against abuse.

Stockholm syndrome applies to some victims; after all if they defend him they have never been abused. Some rage, some lie, some deny, some hid, some walk away and a few hang themselves. We have no true knowledge of what may have happened to all of the victims in all of the Ross forums. Tread with stealth and use considered words.

Dav