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[FarSideOfTheMoon]

This deserves it's own thread O0


The wonderful Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons now exists.

http://www.ukpsychicsurgeons.org.uk/?UK_Psychic_Surgeons



Founder member's Gary Mannion, Nina Knowland and Andy Porter met up at the Mysterious West Studios, Bristol to discuss forming a new group for Psychic Surgeons based in the UK.

The group will be called "Unity Of UK Psychic Surgeons".

We discussed with Geoff Ward the reasons for forming the group, and we believe this is first time an organization of this kind has been formed in the UK.


And on their links page:



Below are links to UK Psychic Surgeons.

All of the links below have been verified by the UK Unity Of Psychic Surgeons giving you full confidence in the Psychic Surgeons listed.
UK Psychic Surgeons:-


Wiltshire
Andy Porter http://www.andy-porter.co.uk (http://www.andy-porter.co.uk/)
Nina Knowland http://www.point-of-light.moonfruit.com (http://www.point-of-light.moonfruit.com/)


Middlesex
Gary Mannion http://www.garymannion.co.uk (http://www.garymannion.co.uk/)


Nothing like a bit of shameless self-promotion >:D

[Mojo]

I see they've been verified by the UK Unity of Psychic Surgeons. Would that be, er, Gary Mannion, Nina Knowland and Andy Porter, by any chance?

Have they also verified their use of the apostrophe?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I don't know, but I certainly now have full confidence in the Psychic Surgeons listed O0

[LucaAltieri]

So basically this Andy Porter is verifying himself. Reassuring.

[Julia]

From their site (my comments in italics):

Disclamier

(*the spell check is your friend!*)

1. Psychic Surgeons are Healer’s not Doctor’s, we are not medically trained, therefore we do not diagnose .

Really? That isn't the impression given by some of the testimonials on Gary's sites.

2. Practitioners strongly urge their Clients continue with any medical treatment and continue with their medication programme until advised by their doctor.

The very doctors psychic surgeons and other woos rail against for pumping their patients full of "unnatural" chemicals.

3. Practitioners never promise a cure, especially with Cancer, but we will do our very best for each and every Client.

They don't need to promise. A carefully worded insinuation is the next best thing.

4. Practitioners may talk about the results from previous treatments.

Well, I suppose it's easier than using semaphore.

5. Our Testimonials are the evidence of the work we do.

Nope. Testimonials by themselves are NOT evidence of anything.

6. Psychic Surgery is Complementary and with some conditions Alternative.

Sceptic's definition of "complementary": will not work without being combined with mainstream medicine.

7. We do not charge for our Healing, we charge for our time.

The old get-out clause. People making this claim might as well have the word "fraud" tattooed on their foreheads.

8. Practitioners will always act in a professional manner. Ensuring Client confidentiality at all times, falling in with the legislation Act 1987.

Since when has "psychic surgery" been a profession?

9. Practitioners will respect the trust placed with them by clients and shall not, under any circumstances abuse their position by taking advantage of personal, professional, financial, political or sexual favour or gain.

How can psychic surgeons NOT take advantage of their clients? They are offering worthless "treatment" for minor and self-limiting illnesses and being paid for it. No, hang on - they are paid for their time, not their healing. So that's alright then.

10. Practitioners must obtain permission from Clients to use their testimonials or make them available to the public.

If Gary Mannion's testimonials are anything to go by, clients will be falling over themselves in their eagerness to attribute "cures" to their psychic surgeons.

[Matt]

8. Practitioners will always act in a professional manner. Ensuring Client confidentiality at all times, falling in with the legislation Act 1987.


What the frog is the legislation Act 1987?

[vbloke]

What the frog is the legislation Act 1987?I was about toad ask the same question myself

[bindeweede]

What the frog is the legislation Act 1987?

I wonder if it is referring to the 1987 Consumer Protection Act.

http://www.hants.gov.uk/regulatory/tradingstandards/consumerprotection.html

[bobdezon]

Setting up their own governing body is a bit like letting the wolves guard the sheep.Bit pointless. ::)

[Julia]

It reminds me of a reassuring comment on Gary's "Abehealing" site:


The A.B.E Healing Society acknowledges that those included have signed our code of ethics, have A.B.E Healing Insurance, and hold A.B.E certificates.

::)

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

It reminds me of a reassuring comment on Gary's "Abehealing" site:


The A.B.E Healing Society acknowledges that those included have signed our code of ethics, have A.B.E Healing Insurance, and hold A.B.E certificates.

::)


They have their own insurance company? Wow! ???

[MischiefMonkey]

They have their own insurance company? Wow! ???

I would have to ask, who the 'frog' are the underwriters?

[Julia]

I've just added an article about the UUKPS to www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk (http://www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk)

And after that bit of shameless self-promotion I shall hie me to bed. :smiley:

[filippo lippi]

I would have to ask, who the 'frog' are the underwriters?


Characters from the bible who speak through Gazza.

[ZERO]

Characters from the bible who speak through Gazza.
ahhh...so it's all above board then. ;)

[ZERO]

Next thing, they're going to be a public company.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Here's something that puzzles me....



Psychic Surgery is not a new alternative therapy, it has been around since 1940's and was first pioneered in the Philippines. Many psychic surgeons are currently working in the world today, the most famous of which is the healer known as Jaeo De Deus "John of God". Much has been written about his work and can be found from google (http://www.google.co.uk/)


I don't understand why this type of surgery only started in the 40s.

What was Abraham and his crack team of spiritual surgeons doing in the meantime?

[bindeweede]

Here's something that puzzles me....



I don't understand why this type of surgery only started in the 40s.

What was Abraham and his crack team of spiritual surgeons doing in the meantime?

As usual, they can't even get the name right. Does that remind you of anyone??? I believe it is João de Deus. Still, what does attention to detail matter?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

As usual, they can't even get the name right. Does that remind you of anyone??? I believe it is João de Deus. Still, what does attention to detail matter?

They seem to love John of God because he doesn't charge people. He just prescribes thousands and thousands of useless herbs for the ill (for a charge).

[Julia]

And what the heck does Gary mean when he says that a baby's Acid Reflux is caused by a single chromosome?!

[Julia]

Remember Gary and Steve Nobel of Alternatives getting on their high horses over bindeweede's audio recording of Gary's "demonstration of psychic surgery"? I mentioned this to a law student. According to her:

if there were no notices stating that recordings were not allowed, and no warning was given before the show began, it is NOT illegal to make a not-for-profit recording of an event open to the public.

[bindeweede]

Julia,

A couple of weeks ago I went to an event at the Sunderland Empire - a schools choir competition. Right at the beginning, the MC said no video or audio recordings were permitted. Fine.

Nothing of any kind like that was said at Mannion's performance. And it was being videoed anyway. I don't know whether that was by Mannion's people, or by "Alternatives" themselves.

AND, as Gary claims to be psychic, he would have known I was recording it. And presumably Abraham and his 37 "consultants" were happy with it too. Well, they can see into people's insides and diagnose, but they can't see someone sitting some yards away holding a digital recorder in their hand?? The non-psychic women sitting next to me noticed I was making a recording, but those with paranormal abilities didn't.

The utter idiots get on my uno!

[MischiefMonkey]

And what the heck does Gary mean when he says that a baby's Acid Reflux is caused by a single chromosome?!

Is this a trick question or are you asking for a Mannion to English translation;D

I think it means 'I know nothing about genetics, biology, medicine or especially babies and I'm rather hoping that you don't either so you will give me lots of lovely money and reinforce my sense of self-worth.'

My only knowledge of reflux in babies is posseting, which is very common. You may recall me mentioning a 'woo' former friend, my youngest posseted all over her sofa ;D First time he ever did it the little scamp;D

It is a self limiting, normal condition. Baby will stop as he gets older and is weaned. However, it can be serious if it is happening constantly and baby isn't gaining weight or is in pain on feeding, in which case a Doctor (or at the very least the health visitor) should be consulted. Not a bliddy 'psychic surgeon'::)

So another waste of money at best, dangerous at worst.

In the testimonial I think you refer to, the 'acid reflux' had been diagnosed as colic by the doctor. The description sounds to me as a mother to be colic. And it cleared up within 'a few weeks'. Just like colic.

So much for Gary not (mis) diagnosing::)

[bindeweede]

And this testimonial from Mannion also confuses me.


Lynne came to see me because she had an accident which damaged her left should 5 years ago and since then she also had Chemotherapy in the same area. This left her shoulder in quite a bad state of which the medical profession could do nothing to fix the problem. After seeing me Lynne’s should got better and better and about a week after seeing me Lynne had a dream that there were three people operating on her arm. When she awoke the next day all the pain had gone and it hasn’t returned since.


http://abehealing.org/7.html

The usual vague gibberish.

[Julia]

Is chemotherapy used for any illness other than cancer? If not I would have thought a sore shoulder would be the least of this woman's worries! And despite Gary's claim NOT to diagnose and insistence that he always advises clients to see conventional medical practitioners, there are several testimonials on his sites that make it quite clear that he (or Abraham) DOES diagnose - and three people went to see Gary specifically to avoid surgery.

Honestly, I sometimes wonder if the left hemisphere of Gary's brain knows what the right hemisphere is doing...

[ZERO]

Chemotherapy to treat a shoulder injury? :undecided:

Sounds made up. ???

[bindeweede]

Chemotherapy to treat a shoulder injury? :undecided:

Sounds made up. ???

Zero,

I had the same thought, but not being a medic,......don't know. Someone here will elaborate, hopefully.

[ZERO]

Zero,

I had the same thought, but not being a medic,......don't know. Someone here will elaborate, hopefully.

I looked up chemotherapy on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotherapy


Other uses of cytostatic chemotherapy agents (including the ones mentioned below) are the treatment of autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis....

Bolding highlights the point. Perhaps it could be used on a shoulder.

[bindeweede]

Zero,

Yes, I think you might be right.

http://arthritis.webmd.com/chemotherapy-drugs

[bobdezon]

I myself have been the recipient of cytotoxic drugs to treat inflammatory conditions. I can confirm this is a well established treatment.

The reason is, is that the inflammation is caused by your own immune system, by retarding that system with chemo, it is less effective, and the inflammation decreases as a result.

It does not always work.

[Mark Jackson]

Setting up their own governing body is a bit like letting the wolves guard the sheep.Bit pointless. ::)
Yea nearly all of the associations are run by kooks that govern everything from healing mediumship psychic ..you name it...first post hi everyone

[Matt]

first post hi everyone

Hi mark

[bindeweede]

And this testimonial from Mannion also confuses me.



http://abehealing.org/7.html

The usual vague gibberish.

The " abehealing.org" site has been down for quite a long time. But Abraham, with his magic healing powers, is still out there.


Abraham Body Energy Healing is a non-invasive, natural, pain free and drug free method of healing, available for all ages, at the price of a donation.

Our team of specialists, trained by International Healer Gary Mannion, work on all levels; physical, emotional, mental, spiritual and many more.

If you make healing your first resort rather then your last, you could avoid drugs and invasive treatments.

Sometimes Gary Mannion is available for pyshic surgery treatments and demonstrations. We are here to help."Pyshic surgery"? Hmm. And I wonder what those "many more" levels might be.???

http://www.hertsdirect.org/comdirectory/comvol/heal2y/hltalter3y/althealthproducts/altspiritheal/13404685

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Lynda Jakiro is another complete loony bin

http://www.fieldsofhealth.co.uk/

Oh god >:-)

<H1>The extra special magical quality of my treatments is that I can treat you anywhere in the world. All I need are your details, date of birth, address, telephone number, email address if you have one, and mobile number if you have one.

</H1>

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I wonder how close this is to making a direct medical claim?



If you make healing your first resort rather then your last, you could avoid drugs and invasive treatments.



Not close enough I guess...

[dalriada]

Lynda Jakiro is another complete loony bin



Apparently she also specialises in "Human Conflict". I think we should call the UN and see if she dould be shipped off to Iraq or South Ossetia as part of a "peace-keeping" mission.

Is it just me or does Hertfordshire seem to be woo-central these days? Has a new ley line been built?

[dalriada]

I wonder how close this is to making a direct medical claim?


Not close enough I guess...


I see Lynda's also on the staff (http://www.wyndham-centre.co.uk/staff.asp) of another business which claims to treat cancer (http://www.wyndham-centre.co.uk/cancer.asp)

[bindeweede]

Apparently she also specialises in "Human Conflict". I think we should call the UN and see if she dould be shipped off to Iraq or South Ossetia as part of a "peace-keeping" mission.

Is it just me or does Hertfordshire seem to be woo-central these days? Has a new ley line been built?



HOW I PERFORM ALLERGY MAGIC

Allergy Magic is a unique treatment that I have developed from my knowledge of NAET (Nambudripad’s Allergy Elimination Technique) and EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique).

My treatments began with the pure NAET protocol, and I still do that when clients prefer it. I then realised that I could get the same results with EFT, but more quickly, with lots of tapping on acupuncture points and I have developed it so far that I do not need to tap any more.

I have created a magic ‘wand’ that I wave in patterns in the aura of the client, whilst they are holding the vibration of the allergen.

For distant treatments I place the vibration of the allergen on the photograph or on the name of the client and wave my wand over that. This wand is very special and is encoded with very special words, symbols and intention.

I use my dowser and a percentage dial to measure the strength of the allergen and when it has reached zero I know it has cleared.

One of my contact clients can feel a tingling in her feet when it has reached zero, so I keep waving my wand until her feet tingle. It could be from ten seconds to about a minute and a half, depending on the stubbornness of the allergen.

One teenage girl said the vibrations of the vials she was allergic to felt hot in her hand. The others felt cool and normal.

Another client was being tested for the BCG vaccination and as soon as she put the vibration of it in her hand, she felt very strange and uncomfortable.

This therapy is my passion. I am so excited about it and I hope it excites you too, to think and believe that you too can be freed from your allergies and illness that are caused by allergies.

Lynda

http://www.fieldsofhealth.co.uk/DistantTreatments.htm#Contact

What Farside said, I think.

Hertfordshire - loads of wives of rich city gents who have more money than brains.

But the bananas are ripening nicely on the trees.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I see Lynda's also on the staff (http://www.wyndham-centre.co.uk/staff.asp)of another business which claims to treat cancer (http://www.wyndham-centre.co.uk/cancer.asp)

I've come across that one before. Unfortunately lost all my notes. I think I remember some of the other people mentioned on that site also have further sites where they promote cancer treatments. I need to have another look around.

[farmersboy]

This is fascinating - I've never heard such utter nonsense in all my life! How are these people allowed to get away with it in this day and age?

Allergy Magic my arse...they should be ashamed of themselves.

[Tony Williams]

The extra special magical quality of my treatments is that I can treat you anywhere in the world. All I need are your details, date of birth, address, telephone number, email address if you have one, and mobile number if you have one.

And credit card details, presumably?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

And credit card details, presumably?

Just sterling, she isn't set up for paypal 'yet' although she hasn't been set up for a while, so I suspect business might not be brisk.


<H1>If you are sending money from abroad, I would appreciate it if you would send a sterling money order as I am not yet set up for paypal. As soon as the cheque has gone through or the money cashed I start work on you.

</H1>

[Julia]

Here's Lynda's price list:


PRICES

Allergy Magic: Free initial consultation.

Testing and treatments £35 per hour.

Children:£28 per hour.

Senior Citizens : £30 per hour.



EFT

Free initial Consultation

Contact sessions: £35 per hour.

Phone sessions: £35 per hour + your telephone call to me.

Distant EFT with a photo. £35 per hour.

Children £28 per hour / £15 per half hour.

Senior citizens: £30 per hour.

Money back guarantee for first session if there is no change noticed at all after a few days.

NAET

Free initial consultation

Testing and treatments: £35 per hour.

Children: £28 per hour / £15 per half hour.

Senior citizens: £30 per hour.

This is obscene. For "distance EMT" (Emotional Freedom Technique) she's charging £35 per hour - plus the price of the phone call - to look at a PHOTO of you and reel off whatever New Age crap comes into her mind. Still, it was nice of her to offer OAP's five quid off.

As for the "money back guarantee", I wonder how many people ask for a refund? I'll bet the vast majority of people who get in touch with Jakiro are so desperate to believe that the placebo effect will be working overtime.

[bindeweede]

The " abehealing.org" site has been down for quite a long time. But Abraham, with his magic healing powers, is still out there.

"Pyshic surgery"? Hmm. And I wonder what those "many more" levels might be.???

http://www.hertsdirect.org/comdirectory/comvol/heal2y/hltalter3y/althealthproducts/altspiritheal/13404685

I knew I'd be able to find out what these extra levels might be. And Danny Barker's website definitely reminds me of poor old Abe's. Perhaps Abe has become a bit shy in his extreme old age.

http://www.freewebs.com/dannybarker/abehealinghistory.htm

And isn't this so heart-warming?

http://www.freewebs.com/dannybarker/aboutdanny.htm

Can't quote directly, for some reason. But Danny currently only works on a donation basis, so that's OK.




I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.



I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.



I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!


I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.



I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.



I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.



I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.



I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Ah Danny - he is Gary's protege I guess. Or has he just seen the chance to make a quick buck with Gary?

[Mongrel]

Taken the liberty of making this readable BW O0



I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.

He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.

I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.

I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!


I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm. [

I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.

I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.

He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.

I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.


I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

[bindeweede]

Mongrel,

Thanks. Don't know why I couldn't make a direct quote.

Not wishing to appear ungrateful, but your quote is repeated twice.

[bindeweede]

Now, when does a "donation" become a fee? I don't know.



Garry Mannion has had a last minute cancellation at Herne Bay so will be holding a surgery at the Centre on Sunday 24th August from 11-4 ish pm. If you would like to book a session with him, please ring the centre on our normal number. At this moment there are 8 places left. A session with Garry is on a donation of £20 basis.http://www.thecentreonline.co.uk/newslarge.htm

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Now, when does a "donation" become a fee? I don't know.

http://www.thecentreonline.co.uk/newslarge.htm

Haha, so much for 'donation based healing'. It's all such a sham, it's laughable.

[Mongrel]

Mongrel,

Thanks. Don't know why I couldn't make a direct quote.

Not wishing to appear ungrateful, but your quote is repeated twice.

Ahh - that would have been in the original that you posted, missed that whilst removing the "blanched almond" tags. Do us a favour, I can't edit it now ;)

[bindeweede]

Ahh - that would have been in the original that you posted, missed that whilst removing the "blanched almond" tags. Do us a favour, I can't edit it now ;)

Mongrel,

I was going to apologise to you for what you might have thought was a rather abrupt post. It wasn't intended that way, but I guess you realise that.

I wonder why I couldn't do a direct quote??? I'm afraid I don't get the "blanched almond" bit, and I can't edit it either, so it will have to stay as it is, I guess.

bw

[Mongrel]

Mongrel,

I was going to apologise to you for what you might have thought was a rather abrupt post. It wasn't intended that way, but I guess you realise that.

I wonder why I couldn't do a direct quote??? I'm afraid I don't get the "blanched almond" bit, and I can't edit it either, so it will have to stay as it is, I guess.

bw

Heh - no problems BW, didn't think of it as abrupt - sarcastic... maybe ;)

Did you highlight and CTRL-C then use the 'quote' button? the BBCode was quite messy and looks as though it was put through a WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) editor as there's lot's of formatting tags (see below) at the start of every paragraph rather than the standard QUOTE tags.



He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.

[bindeweede]

Mongrel,

As a person of certain habits, I tried what I usually do to quote....


square bracket-quote-close square bracket - copy/paste text-square bracket- /quote close square bracket.

I also tried the same via the "Edit" drop-down menu - can't remember if I was using Firefox or IE, but the functions seem to be the same.

Either way, didn't work. Not that it matters so much:smiley:

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

The Mannion story gets even more absurd.

9 flipping quid to hear this load of complete rubbish?



An Evening of Trance with Gary Mannion

Trance or Overshadowing as it is also known is a method where a medium will allow his or her spirit guides and helpers to communicate to an audience using the Mediums body as a tool. When this happens it allows the Spirit to bypass the mediums interpretation of what is being said and to answer any questions relating to a spiritual matter directly.

Tonight Gary will allow his Spirit Surgeon Abraham to use his body as a tool to achieve this.

The evening will consist of a short introduction about Gary and Abraham, how they work and how the Trance works.
Gary will then allow Abraham to occupy his body to speak to the audience directly and answer any questions the audience may have relating to a spiritual subject.

The night will conclude with the audience having the chance to ask Gary first hand any questions they have for him relating to the Trance and the way it works.

Spaces are limited and bookings must be made in advance!

Location: Samskara health, Beauty and Holistic Centre, 1 Manor Parade, Sheepcote road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 2JN
Date: 12th August 2008
Time: 7pm - 9:30pm
Price: £9

[farmersboy]

"A fool and his money..." and all that.

I have no sympathy at all for people who think that would be £9 well spent to listen to some charlatan pretend he's possessed. Spirits and tools indeed...:cheesy:

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I'd have thought millions of religious people the world over would have been interested in hearing direct from Abraham.

Pretty inconsiderate of Gary to limit tickets to a small number then.

[bindeweede]

Inevitably, I suppose, there is quite a lot of "His Master's Voice" on Danny's site.


I am also qualified in A.B.E Healing. This form of Healing combines many other different Healings around like Reiki, Reflexology, Massage Hypnotherapy and Charka (sic)Clearing. It covers a wide range of therapies. What is most interesting about A.B.E Healing is that it focuses directly on the root cause. Instead of working on a problem let’s say in the Neck, the Healing may choose to work on the lower back, as this would be where the root cause is coming from. This Healing eliminates old energy pattens (sic)in our bodies which we don’t need, which causes the problems in the first place. Our Brain carries energy pattens which can be created in this life, past live or past on in the family which we don't always need.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Upon doing this Healing, whilst working with my guides, my intention is to pull out any negative energy which you may carry in the area in which I am working on and remove that whilst replacing it with pure neutral energy. This process will remove the root cause of the problem in which you may have and help heal the area.


http://www.freewebs.com/dannybarker/dannyswork.htm


"Pure neutral energy" is so much better than the stagnant variety, I usually find.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Upon doing this Healing, whilst working with my guides, my intention is to pull out any negative energy which you may carry in the area in which I am working on and remove that whilst replacing it with pure neutral energy.

I'd have thought positive energy would have been a better idea. Neutral energy might not do the trick. Come on Danny, have a bit more confidence in your ability.


This process will remove the root cause of the problem in which you may have and help heal the area.

Ah, so it only 'helps'. I'd be more impressed if he left out the word 'help' from that sentence.

[Julia]

Tonight Gary will allow his Spirit Surgeon Abraham to use his body as a tool to achieve this.

At last - confirmation of the fact that Gary is indeed a tool.

[Admin]

Tonight Gary will allow his Spirit Surgeon Abraham to use his body as a tool to achieve this.

When it comes to being tested one of the pre-emptive excuses for failure is that the spirit guides might not turn at the time (being fickle entities and all that), but whenever no control measures are present and there's a paying audience there then the spirits can be guaranteed to turn up at a given time and place.

I wonder if believers in these magical entities ever wonder about this inconsistency?

I wonder how many instances there are of psychics/mediums doing a gig in a theatre and refunding the money to the audience because their biblical or ancient Red Indian/Aboriginal 'spirit guide' decided not to turn up that evening?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

When it comes to being tested one of the pre-emptive excuses for failure is that the spirit guides might not turn at the time (being fickle entities and all that), but whenever no control measures are present and there's a paying audience there then the spirits can be guaranteed to turn up at a given time and place.

I wonder if believers in these magical entities ever wonder about this inconsistency?

I wonder how many instances there are of psychics/mediums doing a gig in a theatre and refunding the money to the audience because their biblical or ancient Red Indian/Aboriginal 'spirit guide' decided not to turn up that evening?

I'm obviously starting to think like a woo, but the obvious response to that argument is that spirits don't like being questioned by inquisitive scientists or skeptics, but it's ok when the audience laps up everything you say. Spirits obviously have a narcissistic streak in them.

Although I might have thought that Abraham, being used to speaking directly to God and all that, wouldn't have minded a few questions from some skeptics.

[bindeweede]

The " abehealing.org" site has been down for quite a long time. But Abraham, with his magic healing powers, is still out there.

"Pyshic surgery"? Hmm. And I wonder what those "many more" levels might be.???

http://www.hertsdirect.org/comdirectory/comvol/heal2y/hltalter3y/althealthproducts/altspiritheal/13404685

How odd! That link no longer works. Those energies seem to have evaporated.

[Julia]

I e-mailed hertsdirect to complain about Jakiro's wording of that claim, and also provided a link to www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk (http://www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk). At the moment I don't know if they've removed it themselves or if Jakiro was responsible. No doubt time will reveal all...;)

By the way, www.quackometer.net (http://www.quackometer.net) has linked to my BadPsychics article about Jakiro. As Andy Lewis says:


How desperately detached from reality do you have to be to believe this crap? Because I am sure there are people who do believe it.

I'm hoping that Mr Lewis might be able to write a bit more about Lynda and her amazing magic wand when he has the time.

[bindeweede]

Now, when does a "donation" become a fee? I don't know.

http://www.thecentreonline.co.uk/newslarge.htm

Am I becoming paranoid? Answers on a postcard please.....

But the info about Gary's performance in late August has gone. As if by magic......

Oh come on.... anyone who thinks he is not a fraud should perhaps think again. Hard!

[Julia]

Gary seems to be strangely coy about giving details of EXACTLY when and where he's due to appear - his website simply names the towns in which these wondrous events will take place! This is a new development, and I get the impression that he's keeping as much info as possible off the net in the hope that critical thinkers won't turn up. Which is a bit silly since all a potential punter has to do is contact:

Telephone: 07907741032

Email: garymannion@123mail.org (garymannion@123mail.org)or divinemessengers@hotmail.co.uk (divinemessengers@hotmail.co.uk)

If anyone out there fancies seeing Gary live here's his schedule for the rest of this year:

Tunbridge Wells, 30th August - Talk on Indigo/Crystal children & Psychic Surgery Demonstration

London, 6th September - How to recognise and care for Indigo Children

East Sussex, 7th September - Talk on Indigo/Crystal children & Psychic Surgery Demonstration

St Albans, 8th September - Psychic Surgery Demonstration at "Isis Crystals"

Wales, 19th-21st September
Soul Companions Event, Wales
http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Events (http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Events)

Harrow, 26th September - Trance Development workshop with Angie "Kregur" (sic - he means "Kruger"),
(More info about Angie Kruger here:
http://moh2005.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=medpsy&action=display&thread=617 (http://moh2005.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=medpsy&action=display&thread=617))

Steyning, 5th October - Psychic Development Course (fully booked, but you never know your luck)

Cambridge, 11th-12th October - Mind Body Soul

Hinton, 14th October - Talk

Australia, 15th October-4th November - Various workshops and healing (Including Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Tasmania)

Dartford, 7th November - Psychic Surgery Demonstration at Dartford Spiritualist Church

Bridgwater, 9th November - Psychic Fair

Wales, 14th November - Psychic Surgery Demonstration

Wales, 15th November - Children in Need event

London (Olympia), 16th November - FREE demonstration of Psychic Surgery

Kent, 19th November - Psychic Surgery Demonstration

London, 21st November - Psychic Surgery Demonstration

Winchester, 23rd November - Mind Body Soul Show

Frankfurt, 26th-30th November - Various workshops, demos and healings

Norwich, 6th December - Indigo Child workshop & Psychic Surgery Demonstration

Dubai, 10th-15th December - Various workshops, Courses and healings

Interested? Just contact Gary and ask for more details! I'm sure his Indigo sense will allow him to distinguish between sceptics and the creduloids who normally lap up his act.

And just in case Gary is reading this, I hope he doesn't decide to play the martyr by claiming that he's the innocent victim of a smear campaign and that the nasty sceptics are planning to disrupt his public appearances. You know what I mean - remember the "extra security" that had to be laid on at St James' Church for his show there in February? Neither the Rector of St James nor Steve Nobel of "Alternatives" verified this claim. I asked them both if there was any truth in it and all I got by way of a reply was a deafening silence. Come to think about I never found out who had been pestered with up to 20 phone calls a day about Gary's activities.

As for Lynda Jakiro's incredibly careless statement about ABE Healing on hertsdirect:

"If you make healing your first resort rather than your last, you could avoid drugs and invasive treatments"

...it was taken down when I reported it, partly because of the irresponsible nature of the claim itself and partly because I also included (fully verified) details of Gary's history of lies and evasions.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

What is the point of a psychic healing demonstration other than to make ticket money or generate bookings?

If he had any ethics or morals, he would be healing people during that time rather than putting on a 'show'. That's if he had any healing ability in the first place.

I wonder how many seriously ill people are in the audience at these events looking for any glimmer of hope - so cruelly exploited by Mannion.


If you're reading this Gary, you do obviously know what you're doing.

[Julia]

Update on Gary's schedule:

Stackpole Centre, near Pembroke, Wales - 19th-21st September
Soul Companions Event
http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Events (http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Events)

Have a look at this: http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Wisdom-Keepers

Pure, unadulterated, concentrated New Age numptiness. There's a BadPsychics article in there somewhere...

[bindeweede]

Update on Gary's schedule:

Stackpole Centre, near Pembroke, Wales - 19th-21st September
Soul Companions Event
http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Events (http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Events)

Have a look at this: http://www.soulcompanions.org/index.php?pr=Wisdom-Keepers

Pure, unadulterated, concentrated New Age numptiness. There's a BadPsychics article in there somewhere...

Seeing the words "Gary Mannion" and "Wisdom-Keepers" on the same site produces an odd response - a smile on the face and a lump in the throat.

Well, several lumps, actually.;D

[bindeweede]

"Garry" and Angie Kruger seem to be on good terms - well, they will be in Australia together.


Angie's Australia Tour: October 17th-26th 2008

17th October Trance demo Tasmania email peacefull.spirit@yahoo.com.au

18th October: Trance workshop, contact as above.
19th October: Tasmania ; Private Sittings with Angie & Richard. Private Sittings also with Krishna Ravi.
Also, Psychic Surgery with Gary Mannion.

22nd October: Brisbane, Australia; Trance demo,

25th & 26th October: Brisbane, Channelling & trance workshop. Contact eaglmid8@yahoo.ca (eaglmid8@yahoo.ca) for Brisbane events

31st October: The Samhain/Halloween bash at the Roundhouse , Tresowes, Cornwall.An eveing of magic, meditation and music as we celebrate with our spirit guides and loved ones. Samhain/Halloween ( The Celtic New Year) is a special time, when the veil between our world and that of spirit is thin and we are able to cross over and vice versa. This will be a FANTASTIC evening. Fancy dress please. Evening starts 7pm until meltdown. Cost &#163;20

1st November; Trance demo at Bridgwater Mystic Fayre, email Rob on
amunhealer@sky.com

2nd of November, Trance workshop Crannock, Staffordshire, email intothelightcannock@hotmail.co.uk for details

8th & 9th November: Explore working with spirit at the Parsonage Centre, Nr Bridgewater; a weekend of trying *every way possible* of working with your guides and angels. with international mediums and healers including clairvoyant counsellor and medium Krishna Ravi & psychic surgeon Garry Mannion (private readings and healings will be available over the weekend with both). cost per day &#163;25 or both days for &#163;35. ( private bookings with Garry or Krishna &#163;30) Bookings in advance with &#163;10 deposit please.

My emphasis.

http://www.angandrich.co.uk/id14.html

And what a pity we have missed the "Science Weekend - Sound health in a New light", featuring a demonstration of Psychic Surgery by.......



SCIENCE WEEKEND - SOUND HEALTH IN A NEW LIGHT
8th - 10th August 2008.
Sound and light are intrinsic to our make-up at all levels of our being, and mental, emotional and ultimately physical dis-ease is a result of our discordance or disharmony with Nature and our Divine Self. As humankind sees dissolution of the old scientific paradigm in favour of the reintegration of science and spirituality, healing techniques based upon sound and light as once practiced in Ancient Egypt are again coming to the fore. While today's pioneers are applying modern technology to researching and utilising these underlying Cosmic Principles, our innate ability to heal is also being increasingly recognised.
Once again we welcome Dr Harry Oldfield Dip. Ed. D.Hom. (Med). Fellow of the Royal Microscopical Society and Member of the Queckett Society based at the Natural History Museum. He is author of "Harry Oldfield's Invisible Universe" and co-author of "The Dark Side of the Brain".
Harry has been an invaluable friend and enthusiastic supporter of Hourne Farm since its inception. He will be speaking on "Sound and Light Application to Healing" and on "Intimate Dimensional Reality".
Other speakers include Gary Mannion the 20 year old indigo child with amazing psychic and healing abilities. Gary will give demonstrations of psychic surgery.
Also included in the weekend programme is Elaine Thompson, sound therapist and researcher, and Ben Scott, life long member of the Hourne Farm Family. Ben will bring the weekend to a close with sound and meditation, using the Tibetan Bowls.
Saturday evening will be devoted to a concert of classical music performed by internationally acclaimed concert pianist Evy King.
Full residential &#163;115. Day visitors &#163;45 on Saturday including lunch, dinner and the classical concert. &#163;35 on Sunday including lunch.


http://elaine-thompson-soundtherapy.com/events_hournefarm.php

[Julia]

Seeing the words "Gary Mannion" and "Wisdom-Keepers" on the same site produces an odd response - a smile on the face and a lump in the throat.

Well, several lumps, actually.;D

Better keep a bucket handy just in case... Now hie thee over to badpsychics because CRAIG SHELL IS BACK!

[Tony Williams]

I can't resist asking; what on earth are "Indigo/Crystal children"?

[bindeweede]

I can't resist asking; what on earth are "Indigo/Crystal children"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

Hope that helps.

Then there is this, giving an alternative view!

http://www.starchild.co.za/what.html

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I can't resist asking; what on earth are "Indigo/Crystal children"?

Spolied brats is the easy answer.

Seems most of the time their parents are ardent believers in psychic abilities and rather than accepting that their kids might just be ordinary or a bit thick, prefer to ascribe some supernatural explanation to their bad behaviour.

It seems also to be an excuse for not pushing your kids academically.

[Tony Williams]

[...a couple of minutes spent marvelling at how much time and effort is expended in propounding sheer BS...]

I can see this as a rather passé plot for an SF novel (circa 1950s) but really! ::)

[Julia]

Tony, here's a good reply to a young man who claims to be an Indigo Child. On the JREF Forum "shaneasmith wrote:


I can hear spirit clearly
speak to spirit
understand certain spiritual languages
communicate to most living things
telepathic
forsight
astral travel fluently
see into ppl souls (basicaly i can tell what the person is like and what they are capable of and outcome in future)

"Stellafane" posted this excellent response (my bolding):


Hi shaneasmith. I hesitate to post in this thread, but you have expressed an interest in discussing the topic of Indigo children with skeptics. So I will tell you what I think -- not about you personally, because of course I do not know you, but rather about Indigo children in general.

First, let me say that I do not believe in astral projection, psychic ability, or any of the other paranormal powers it's been claimed Indigo children possess. The reason I don't is very simple: I've never seen any evidence at all that such powers exist. And it's not because I haven't looked, or am closed minded to the possibility -- indeed, I would love to believe that my soul will continue to exist after my body dies, or that I can communicate with others telepathically. Who wouldn't? But every time I examine the evidence for such things, all I ever see are parlor tricks or lucky guesses or special pleading.

Of course, that doesn't mean such powers cannot possibly exist. Paranormal abilities thus far may not be provable, but neither are they disprovable (few if any things are). But it does mean that in order to believe in them, you must do so based on something other than scientific evidence and proof. That may be fine for a lot of people, but my mind simply doesn't work that way.

As for Indigo children, please forgive me if the following comes across as blunt. I don't believe any of them have any special powers at all. Instead, what I fear is happening is that Indigo children for whatever reason feel a strong sense of superiority and entitlement that they simply have not earned. Perhaps this was born with them, perhaps it was created (or at least fed) by constant parental enablement. In any case, a sense of superiority is almost by necessity in search of a reason to exist. For some children, this reason consists of academic or athletic excellence. But those who do not enjoy such "traditional" abilities must look elsewhere to justify their superiority. So (and here comes the part that you might consider unkind) they turn to the one area where their lack of special talent cannot be disproven: the paranormal.

This, I suspect, is why those who call themselves Indigo children seek out others of their own "kind." It's hard to feel superior to children who can perform in the classroom or on the playing field as well as, or better than, you can. But among those who accept unquestioned your self-claimed, unseen, unprovable abilities, you can feel as superior as you want. You can form a sort of mutual admiration society, one in which you can look down on all the "normal" kids whose talents are limited to mundane things such as spelling and athletics and music. It must be a wonderfully supportive environment for someone who might otherwise be rather ordinary and undistinguished among his peers. And with the added bonus of parental support and indulgence, it's easy to see how a child in this situation might feel special indeed.

Well, that's it in a nutshell. Where those who believe in the phenomenon of Indigo children see young people with spectacular abilities that single them out as very special, I see indulged children of no special ability that have constructed around themselves a little fantasy world in which they can feel priviledged.


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61004&page=3 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61004&page=3)

[Tony Williams]

"Stellafane" posted this excellent response

Thanks Julia, a very good response indeed.

Mind you, the "Indigo child's" "forsight" presumably enabled him to see that coming...

[Mojo]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3411004#post3411004

[bindeweede]

Here is something else I don't understand.




Central Harrow, Middlesex - Next available date 1st October 2008 - To book please call 07907741032 - Donations welcomed! - BOOKINGS ONLY FOR REGULAR AND EMERGENCY CLIENTS


Nash Manor, Steyning - Next available date 6th October 2008, To book please call 01903 814988 - £35 - BOOKINGS ONLY AVAILABLE TO REGULAR AND EMERGENCY CLIENTS
I realise Gary does not claim to cure anyone - it is old Abraham who does that. But why does Gary have "regular" clients? Has Abraham somehow failed in his treatments?

And if someone really needs "emergency" attention/treatment, why do they not go to the local A&E hospital, where treatment would be both free and real?

I am sure I am missing an important point somewhere. Perhaps wiser readers could help me out.???

http://www.divinemessengers.com/contact.htm

[Julia]

The "emergency" thing is rather disturbing, but some so-called healers have managed to convince particularly dense or vulnerable people that they should have regular check-ups - rather like visiting the dentist and optician on a regular basis. I'm currently working on a BadPsychics article about an Australian "energy healer" called Rosemary Edwards who does just that.

[Mongrel]

The "emergency" thing is rather disturbing, but some so-called healers have managed to convince particularly dense or vulnerable people that they should have regular check-ups - rather like visiting the dentist and optician on a regular basis. I'm currently working on a BadPsychics article about an Australian "energy healer" called Rosemary Edwards who does just that.

Chiropractors employ a similar technique. "We make you well over the course of X treatments, an then you have a regular check-up to make sure nothing goes awry"

And, yes, your GP likes to see you regularly but regularly for a GP (presuming no problems) is probably once a year for a chiropractor monthly is common - and that normally includes a quick spine crack. Not forgetting that GPs are 'free' in the UK or covered by insurance where that applies, Alt-med is normally cash up front for check ups.

[bindeweede]

Well, I am SO glad that UK Psychic Surgeons are covered by an insurance policy.



Through the course of history Psychic Surgeons have never been able to get insurance before.
Psychic Surgeons have practiced in this Country uninsured for many years.
It is very important to the Founder member's of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons that we have achieved our aim, to get our member's fully insured.And does this not ring so true...



Psychic Surgery Practitioner's who operated fraudulently have given the genuine Mediums a bad name, whether they were driven by financial gain, or just for showmanship and ego, they think they are beyond the Law and can practice how they like.I can't find the right words.>:-)

http://www.ukpsychicsurgeons.org.uk/?Members_Insurance

[Julia]

Oh, fer pete's sake. I wonder which "reputable" insurance company they're referring to?

Interesting to learn that Gary is no longer a member of UUKPS, though.

[bindeweede]

Oh, fer pete's sake. I wonder which "reputable" insurance company they're referring to?

Interesting to learn that Gary is no longer a member of UUKPS, though.

Julia,

I am fascinated by that news. UUKPS hasn't been around very long, has it? And GM is no longer a member.

Please say more, if you can.

Ahh! I found this.


Gary Mannion Leaves UUPS
Gary Mannion is no longer part of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons. For personal reasons Gary has removed himself from UPPS.
I wonder why.

http://www.ukpsychicsurgeons.org.uk/

Comment on the right hand side of the page.

[Julia]

Wakey, wakey, bindeweede! Look on the right-hand side of the page you just quoted!

Another thing - how does this reputable insurance company deal with an outfit that accepts payment for its time, not its services?!!

[bindeweede]

Wakey, wakey, bindeweede! Look on the right-hand side of the page you just quoted!

Another thing - how does this reputable insurance company deal with an outfit that accepts payment for its time, not its services?!!

OOps. Do they call it "cross posting"?

So does that leave only 2 wallydrags?

[bindeweede]

Wakey, wakey, bindeweede! Look on the right-hand side of the page you just quoted!

Another thing - how does this reputable insurance company deal with an outfit that accepts payment for its time, not its services?!!

Julia,

I know I am slow.... but ATM I have STRESS ! The Ma and stuff....

very long story......shucks, I need a bit of T.....

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

And then there were two....not exactly a big choice or national coverage is it?
I've no doubt Mannion is making enough on his own, he doesn't need to bother with this.

[bindeweede]

Julia,

I am fascinated by that news. UUKPS hasn't been around very long, has it? And GM is no longer a member.

Please say more, if you can.

Ahh! I found this.


I wonder why.

http://www.ukpsychicsurgeons.org.uk/

Comment on the right hand side of the page.

I wonder what "UPPS" stands for.

Gary Mannion Leaves UUPS
Gary Mannion is no longer part of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons. For personal reasons Gary has removed himself from UPPS.

[Mongrel]

I wonder what "UPPS" stands for.




"I don't know how to add custom 'words' to their spell checker?"

[bindeweede]

UPPS.

"Unity of Pseudo Psychic Surgeons"??

But isn't psychic surgery "pseudo" anyway?

Answers on a pc........

[bindeweede]

I knew I'd be able to find out what these extra levels might be. And Danny Barker's website definitely reminds me of poor old Abe's. Perhaps Abe has become a bit shy in his extreme old age.

http://www.freewebs.com/dannybarker/abehealinghistory.htm

And isn't this so heart-warming?

http://www.freewebs.com/dannybarker/aboutdanny.htm

Can't quote directly, for some reason. But Danny currently only works on a donation basis, so that's OK.

Well, Danny's page has gone now. First it was poor old Abe, then the hertsdirect link to Lynda Jakiro, now Danny. I didn't think I was a conspiracy theorist, but.......




ave always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.



I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.



I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!


I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.



I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.



I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.


He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.



I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.



I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

[Matt]

Sorry but I just had to cut and paste this into notepad just so I could read it. Thought others might benefit from the same so I cut and pasted it from there back here.


ave always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.
He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.
I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.
I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.
He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.
I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.
I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!
I have always been Spiritually aware since I was very young. But it wasn't until I met Gary Mannion at a Mind Body and Soul event at St.Albans in October 2006, that I became fully aware of this. It was at this time that I was going through personal and emotional issues after recently loosing my Grandparents. But upon hearing about this 'Spirit' event, my intuition made me feel something would come from it if I was to go. I went to St.Albans with my Mum and her friends, and as soon as we arrived, we came to Gary's stall. He called me over saying that he saw potential in me.
He was willing to come up to Stevenage where I live and help train me. Since then Gary and I have become very close. We have now started to work with each other. Gary trained me in the A.B.E Healing (Abraham Body Energy Healing) and after becoming qualified in A.B.E, I now help run one of the first A.B.E Healing Centres to be set up, in Stevenage every Thursday evening from 7pm to 9pm.
I also am currently training in Clairvoyance and have been doing one to one readings for people. I also have experience with Psychic readings too where I sometimes can use Angel Cards.
I like to work in a down to earth way as I like to connect with people easily and show that no one has to be "special" to be Psychic, as we all have these abilities. My aim is too help out in any way that I can and help show that there is a lot of support for us, beyond the phsyical. Everyone can make a difference!

[Matt]

"Loosing my grandparents." Shouldn't laugh but I do. >:D

I've got an image of him firing them from a bow.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loosing

[bindeweede]

Here is something else I don't understand.

I realise Gary does not claim to cure anyone - it is old Abraham who does that. But why does Gary have "regular" clients? Has Abraham somehow failed in his treatments?

And if someone really needs "emergency" attention/treatment, why do they not go to the local A&E hospital, where treatment would be both free and real?

I am sure I am missing an important point somewhere. Perhaps wiser readers could help me out.???

http://www.divinemessengers.com/contact.htm




















I can't seem to get the divinemessengers link to work. Neither does www.garymannion.com (http://www.garymannion.com)

I don't understand servers or their problems, but there must be a technical fault.

[MischiefMonkey]

I can't seem to get the divinemessengers link to work. Neither does www.garymannion.com (http://www.garymannion.com)

I don't understand servers or their problems, but there must be a technical fault.

"The website is currently experiencing difficulties"!!!!!

Much like Mannion himself.

What a shame;D

[Julia]

Bindeweede recently mentioned a New Age event starring our Gary and Dr Harry Oldfield, a Fellow of the Royal Microscopical Society.

According to an article in "Psychic News":


Gary is also taking part in research with Dr Harry Oldfield, which involves various tests including work on brain functions.

"When I worked with him, my brain produced multiple waves which is evidence of spirit," he he claimed...

Dr Oldfield is one of those strange people who combine an orthodox academic career with a sideline in woo. And if he's found evidence of "spirit" in Gary's multiple brainwaves I can't understand why he isn't a household name!

Harry and Gary have something in common - Dr Oldfield's website also features a thinly-veiled claim to have cured, or at least stabilized, cancer:

http://www.electrocrystal.com/spirdest0212.html (http://www.electrocrystal.com/spirdest0212.html)

::) ::) >:-) >:-) >:-)

[Julia]

Oh, fer pete's sake. I wonder which "reputable" insurance company they're referring to?

Interesting to learn that Gary is no longer a member of UUKPS, though.

Could some kind person help me to solve a minor mystery which is doing me head in? I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that Gary had left the UUKPS, but somewhere or other there is a post which not only revealed that Gary had left the UUKPS for "personal reasons" but quoted a rather strange rant by Nina Knowland concerning (unnamed) practitioners of "psychic surgery" who were just in it for fame and money. These comments are no longer on the UUKPS site. Wherever the original post is it would have appeared in July/August. I was under the impression it was on BadPsychics but there seems to be no trace of it, so it must be SOMEWHERE on UK-Skeptics.

What really aggravates me is that I actually FOUND the bloody thing a couple of days ago but didn't make a note of where it was (this is what comes of having a short-term memory problem!).

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Could some kind person help me to solve a minor mystery which is doing me head in? I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that Gary had left the UUKPS, but somewhere or other there is a post which not only revealed that Gary had left the UUKPS for "personal reasons" but quoted a rather strange rant by Nina Knowland concerning (unnamed) practitioners of "psychic surgery" who were just in it for fame and money. These comments are no longer on the UUKPS site. Wherever the original post is it would have appeared in July/August. I was under the impression it was on BadPsychics but there seems to be no trace of it, so it must be SOMEWHERE on UK-Skeptics.

What really aggravates me is that I actually FOUND the bloody thing a couple of days ago but didn't make a note of where it was (this is what comes of having a short-term memory problem!).

http://moh2005.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=homeo&action=display&thread=5385

[Julia]

http://moh2005.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=homeo&action=display&thread=5385

Farside, you have saved my sanity. Thank'ee! :wnw:

[polomint38]

I found this picture of Gary before he puts his makeup on in the morning:cheesy:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/Polomint38/GMIndigo.jpg

How do I have the image showing on post and not as link?

[bindeweede]

Perhaps I shouldn't drag his name up again, but last night I came across another classic, courtesy of "fluffet" on BP.

Jay Gage went to see Gary, and on March 29th wrote....


Gary said that the problem was with my bone marrow, and that he was releasing it and enabling it to move more freely around my body - no idea about this - not been suggested to me before. It made me feel a little sick, but I stuck with it, and the whole process lasted about 15 mins.More wonderful stuff.

http://thespiritguides.ning.com/forum/topics/gary-mannion-on-bbc3

[newatheist]

Perhaps I shouldn't drag his name up again, but last night I came across another classic, courtesy of "fluffet" on BP.

Jay Gage went to see Gary, and on March 29th wrote....

More wonderful stuff.

http://thespiritguides.ning.com/forum/topics/gary-mannion-on-bbc3
I was quite surprised to see that they thought it unfair to Mannion, when I watched it I was tutting all the time.::)

[Trinoc]

I was quite surprised to see that they thought it unfair to Mannion, when I watched it I was tutting all the time.::)
Anything short of totally uncritical support of their gurus is regarded as unfair.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

How does bone marrow move around the body? In little submarines?

[bindeweede]

Jay has responded almost aggressively to
Do you really think it's acceptable for Gary to tell you your bone marrow is moving freely in your body?The latest response...


Jay, why don't you go and read all the false statements that Gary has made in the past? Things that could be checked out but which he is unwilling to verify.

That he has worked in schools with problem children under the age of 18.

That he ran two home improvement companies before the age of 18.

That he was offering Brain Gym (which he was not authorised to do anyway).

He has referred to a homeopathic doctor as supporting him who does not seem to exist.

That he posted cancer testimonials breaching the cancer act.

And many many more.

If you knew a bit more about libel you wouldn't be describing these as litigious. Mannion has lied many times and been evasive many more. Fact.http://thespiritguides.ning.com/forum/topics/gary-mannion-on-bbc3?id=2644468%3ATopic%3A46475&page=4#comments

[bindeweede]

Jay has responded almost aggressively to The latest response...

http://thespiritguides.ning.com/forum/topics/gary-mannion-on-bbc3?id=2644468%3ATopic%3A46475&page=4#comments

Well, it looks like the "thespiritsguides" mafia have been at work. There were 4 critical comments about Mannion, but they have disappeared, and the thread locked.

Sooooo open-minded, and soooooooooo full of Love and Light.;D;D;D;D;D

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Well, it looks like the "thespiritsguides" mafia have been at work. There were 4 critical comments about Mannion, but they have disappeared, and the thread locked.

Sooooo open-minded, and soooooooooo full of Love and Light.;D;D;D;D;D

It's just a belief system, like a religion at the end of the day. Opposition is not permitted.

To be honest, they are just very childish don't you think?

[bindeweede]

It's just a belief system, like a religion at the end of the day. Opposition is not permitted.

To be honest, they are just very childish don't you think?

Childish and pathetic, really.

You not watching "Big Brother" then?:tongue:

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Childish and pathetic, really.

You not watching "Big Brother" then?:tongue:

No O0

Taping it though, will probably be forced to watch it when the wife gets in from work. :'(

[Trinoc]

Taping it though, will probably be forced to watch it when the wife gets in from work. :'(
Tell he she can watch it in peace, without you making snide comments about the participants, on the condition that she doesn't mind you going down the pub.

[brianp]

Taping it though, will probably be forced to watch it when the wife gets in from work. :'(

Being forced to watch that infantile cr*p contravenes the UN Convention Against Torture (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html).

[bindeweede]

Well, it looks like the "thespiritsguides" mafia have been at work. There were 4 critical comments about Mannion, but they have disappeared, and the thread locked.

Sooooo open-minded, and soooooooooo full of Love and Light.;D;D;D;D;D

Well, I suppose there could have been some sort of technical problem, but the entire thread seems to have gone.

[rainbows.]

Quoting yourself has given me the second best giggle today ! ;D

The first best is ..Spirit Guides forum have banned me !



You have been banned from The Spirit Guides Network

Sorry, sallyo, you can not access The Spirit Guides Network as you have been banned. If you think you've been banned in error, you can contact the administrator.



Fancy me of all people getting banned from a love and light forum ! :cheesy:

[Trinoc]

Fancy me of all people getting banned from a love and light forum ! :cheesy:
Welcome to the world of the heretics - there's hope for you yet! :smiley:

Seems it's not just die-hard skeptics these people can't bear to hear, but also anyone who doesn't swallow the whole story whole!

[polomint38]

Can we rename this thread Less Mannion. >:-)

[rainbows.]

Welcome to the world of the heretics - there's hope for you yet! :smiley:


Hope for me to..?
Surrender all my beliefs ...

Just interested.. [and i am being friendly :smiley::smiley:]

[rainbows.]

I might start another thread titled 'more and more mannion' just to annoy 'ISH'. 8)

[Trinoc]

Hope for me to..?
Surrender all my beliefs ...
Surrender them all to rational evaluation against the evidence, yes. :smiley:

[rainbows.]

Rational evaluation against the evidence still does not explain some of the things that have happened to me-that's what i believe .
I'll get it all checked out by another who believe themselves to be more rational than me ^-^ .

[Trinoc]

Rational evaluation against the evidence still does not explain some of the things that have happened to me-that's what i believe .
What's the problem with that? None of us will ever know everything. The things I haven't found explanations for yet are just things remaining to learn - and I have to accept that many I will never explain. That doesn't mean I have to believe that anything is outside of the realm of rational understanding, just because it may presently be outside of the realm of my own understanding.

[rainbows.]

But on the other hand,because of what i believe happens to me,if i go with the mostly skeptical viewpoint that i am deluded,i feel i'm doing myself an injustice.I do not want to be pushed or even encouraged into that mindset without exploring and knowing as much as i can.

I'll never know all the answers,i know that, but that is no reason to accept my experiences are delusional,until i know that they are delusional.

I do understand your viewpoint-there is no need either to contribute my experiences to being of a psychic nature. It is a sane viewpoint but does that make mine insane ?

[Trinoc]

But on the other hand,because of what i believe happens to me,if i go with the mostly skeptical viewpoint that i am deluded,i feel i'm doing myself an injustice.I do not want to be pushed or even encouraged into that mindset without exploring and knowing as much as i can.

I'll never know all the answers,i know that, but that is no reason to accept my experiences are delusional,until i know that they are delusional.

I do understand your viewpoint-there is no need either to contribute my experiences to being of a psychic nature. It is a sane viewpoint but does that make mine insane ?
You are using the pejorative word "delusional", but I don't think it is appropriate in this case. Human senses are inherently unreliable, so anomalous perception happens to all of us all the time. You may be good at spotting the anomalies that most of us ignore, which may be a good thing as far as investigating these things is concerned. It only becomes delusional if you convince yourself that you have some sort of superhuman powers, or that these sensations are coming from some sort of paranormal source.

If you sense something that doesn't ... umm ... make sense, simply log it in your memory (or better, write it down, since memories can also be unreliable) for reference when similar things happen again, but always remember that everything has a rational explanation even if you never actually find out what that explanation is.

[bindeweede]

but always remember that everything has a rational explanation even if you never actually find out what that explanation is.

But this is what believers will not accept, of course.

[Trinoc]

But this is what believers will not accept, of course.
True, but if Rainbows was not open to the possibility I don't think she would be discussing it with skeptics like us.

[chillzero]

But this is what believers will not accept, of course.
I don't think you need to generalise so much, nor be so dismissive.

There is hope for some of us ... ;)

[rainbows.]

I hardly get any 'strange' experiences now so there is a chance it is over for me to explore further and if that's the case,so be it but my interest will wane and i will walk away from the subject totally.The only reason i believe that some psychics/mediums may be telling the truth is because of my experiences.It would of been easier to dismiss if it was more subtle and i've already acknowledged i did not study properly.

But if more experiences do return,and i think they will,i'm in a better position now to know how to test better.

I didn't seek or hope for my experiences,i am not religious,i do not need my beliefs, so there is hope for me ---and it just may turn out some of my experiences do not have a rational explanation from a second opinion.:cheesy:. Then you owe me a drink! O0 If not, i'll owe you all one.[start saving,i hear you say].


:smiley:

C'mon-for a woo,i ain't too bad.

[bindeweede]

:smiley:

C'mon-for a woo,i ain't too bad.

See you at Muncaster. :alien:

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

But this is what believers will not accept, of course.

To many believers the irrational is rational, don't forget that.

[rainbows.]

No farside-that sentence i will not forget! ;D

[Nasib]

To many believers the irrational is rational, don't forget that.

"They will get it straight one day at the Sorbonne. We shall return at twilight from the lecture Pleased that the irrational is rational."
- Wallace Stevens

Looking forward to Muncaster. :-*

[bindeweede]

"Give Gary Mannion a gift"! :ponder:



Gary Mannion has not received any gifts yethttp://thespiritguides.ning.com/profile/GaryMannion

Only colourful suggestions, please!

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2610/manniongift.jpg

[bindeweede]

Tomorrow, in Colchester, he was due to start a UK Tour, but the event has been cancelled at the last minute, but unfortunately not due to "unforeseen circumstances".:cheesy:
He hired the venue himself, so even if ticket sales were poor, why would he cancel?

In the last 6 weeks or so he has, allegedly, spent one week in India (to visit Sai Baba) and two weeks in Brazil (to see John of God). He boasted that Abraham and "spirit" would look after him malaria-wise, so perhaps something has gone wrong.

But I know Trading Standards wish to contact him. Who knows what the issue is, but not a great start to his UK Tour.

http://www.charter-hall.co.uk/whatson.asp

[Julia]

Gary will be receiving a visit from Brent and Harrow Trading Standards sometime this week. More details later!

[Rockers]

Gary will be receiving a visit from Brent and Harrow Trading Standards sometime this week. More details later!

Well done Julia :smiley:

[rainbows.]

Does anybody know what happened?

[bindeweede]

Does anybody know what happened?

As far as I know, Brent and Harrow TS have passed Mannion's file to Essex TS, as that is now where he lives. I've no idea if they have taken any action.

I do know that what appeared on Banyan retreat's site - "Appointment by Donation (£25)" has been changed to Each appointment will cost £25

http://www.banyanretreat.com/gary.html

Mannion's main site is down, again, but he has set up a new healing centre which is
completely non-profitable

http://www.abetherapycentre.com/page4.html

Initially, treatment is by donation -
All donations received will pay for the centre’s running costs, with any additional monies being donated to various charities.

but later on we read....
All guides are personally chosen by Abraham to ensure that you receive the best possible care at all times. Guides will also ensure that you are seen first by Abraham and will prompt Abraham if they feel that any questions you have asked have not been answered to your satisfaction.

Although affiliated by the centre, guides work as independent bodies and therefore may charge a fee for their services.

http://www.abetherapycentre.com/page6.html

As always with Mannion, nothing is crystal clear.

[Julia]

I wonder when Gary's site will be back, and if the magazine clipping that mentioned Dr Gowri Motha will have been removed?

Gawd, MORE confusion about donations versus charges! I think I'll get in touch with Essex TS and bring this to their attention.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Sounds like an indirect cancer healing reference!


Is there anything that cannot be treated?

No, everything can be treated. However no guarantees can be made as to what results you personally experience as everybody will respond to treatment differently.

[rainbows.]

Can I become a guide?
If you would like to become a guide for the centre you must submit a written application to the centre stating why you would like to become a guide and also state any attributes that you feel would be beneficial to you when guiding people. You will then be given a date and time where you may speak to Abraham directly and seek his permission. If Abraham feels you are suitable, you will granted guide status and will be inducted from the centre staff on the rules and procedures. (Note that guide status can only be granted by Abraham directly and none of the helpers or other guides can help influence Abraham’s decision.)

http://www.abetherapycentre.com/page4.html

I hope Terry from my forum won't mind me mentioning Abraham failed to picked up his significant ailments.

Abraham - You're fired!

355

If Only..

[bindeweede]

I wonder when Gary's site will be back, and if the magazine clipping that mentioned Dr Gowri Motha will have been removed?



Mannion's site is back, and the article mentioning Dr Motha, probably at least 3 years old, is still there. It refers to her as a "midwife", whereas I was under the impression she is, or was, a Consultant Obstetrician.

[rainbows.]

An Obstetrician is qualified to deliver babies but only assists or advises when complications arise.


Apparently, Dr Motha's dream is to open a centre where women can give birth with dolphins.

http://www.jeyarani.com/press/press_water_kindred_sp.html,,,