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brianp

7th September 2007, 11:58 AM

Kate McCann's lawyer is now saying that he told her that she might well face charges today!

fruitfly

7th September 2007, 04:52 PM

No need to be fair, I wasn't commenting on the psychicness of the claim at all.

Nor was I. It is a fantasy maintained by lies. Every time Sarah denies she has said something, despite being provided with evidence to the contrary. she is knowingly lying.

Julia

7th September 2007, 06:58 PM

I hope someone, somewhere, is keeping track of Sarah's contributions to UK-Skeptics and the other forums she has graced with her presence. There's a psychology Ph D thesis in the making for an enterprising grad student! O0

fruitfly

7th September 2007, 06:59 PM

What happened there? Two posts by Psychicsarahfan appeared and disappeared within minutes!

John?

tolman

7th September 2007, 07:05 PM

A (posted, then deleted) post from 'PsychicSarahFan':

my goodness, tolman! it must be so wonderful to be so perfect you can judge people ...Did you get that bit where i said i am dutch..hence english is a foreign language to me??? noo?? hey, not so perfect then! so come on, mister perfect, lets see some of your dutch spelling......it must be absolutely perfect!!!;DIt's entirely possible you are an individual who just happens to write in a style like Sarah, and who anonymises their IP address for other reasons, and who likes deleting your own posts, it's just that 'psychic' Sarah does seem to have the odd sock-puppet-alike around on some forums.

Also, for someone wondering if a certain poster might be a sock puppet, you do have to understand that having that poster say "I'm Dutch" doesn't actually add anything in terms of meaningful evidence. It might be a true statement, or not, but if someone already doubted who the poster was, any claims they made would have to be similarly doubted

Given Sarah's flexible attitude to reality, I wouldn't put anything past her. Her unapologetic untruthfulness naturally makes people suspicious.

If you want to get annoyed at people wondering if you're for real, I suggest you go and complain at her.

bindeweede

7th September 2007, 07:09 PM

What happened there? Two posts by Psychicsarahfan appeared and disappeared within minutes!

John?

They have been moved to "Abusive Postings".

fruitfly

7th September 2007, 07:14 PM

They have been moved to "Abusive Postings".

Thanks, bindeweede. Phew, thought I'd had a paranormal experience there! Actually, I thought I was going mad, which may be the same thing!

Admin

7th September 2007, 07:19 PM

What happened there? Two posts by Psychicsarahfan appeared and disappeared within minutes!

John?

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1293

Sorry, I thought the forum software left an automatic redirect.

They were just daft insults and of no useful input to the thread.

tolman

7th September 2007, 07:26 PM

They have been moved to "Abusive Postings".My mistake - I assumed they'd just been deleted by a pouting poster, rather than just having been moved.

It's funny where the supposed fan claims people "aren't actually reading what Sarah writes" when a great many replies to Sarah are precisely about what she wrote, frequently involving quotes which would make it obvious to anyone Sarah was at least being read, even if not believed.

I can only assume that PSFan either hasn't read much of what Sarah has written, hasn't actually understood it, or shares the same uncertain grip on reality (or is just a sock-puppet).

bindeweede

7th September 2007, 07:28 PM

Thanks, bindeweede. Phew, thought I'd had a paranormal experience there! Actually, I thought I was going mad, which may be the same thing!

I'm sure there will be someone here who will tell you they are not the same thing at all;).

Araneus

7th September 2007, 07:38 PM

bindeweede

7th September 2007, 07:51 PM

Does anyone genuinely believe that "psychicsarahfan" and "psychicsarah" are different people? Their postings are so similar I didn't even notice the change in the name until it was pointed out.

These people must think we're as stupid as they are.

Posted July 23rd....
She will be found by mid August any how ...I would say in the next 2 to 3 weeks..

I don't know if they are different people. Sarah does actually use upper case; fan doesn't much. And I know the Dutch are good at languages, but fan's English is mostly pretty good. I don't really get what they/she is trying to achieve, other than self-publicity and glorification.

Araneus

7th September 2007, 08:08 PM

I don't know if they are different people. Sarah does actually use upper case; fan doesn't much.

Possibly, but that is exactly the sort of trivial fake change that someone of her/their intellect would rely on to "prove" that there is no sock-puppetry going on.

That and the anonymous proxy (like that's going to fool anyone) present a strong case for them being, if not the same person, as closely connected as Kaz and Karlie (probably using the same PC/internet connection).

bindeweede

7th September 2007, 08:16 PM

Possibly, but that is exactly the sort of trivial fake change that someone of her/their intellect would rely on to "prove" that there is no sock-puppetry going on.

That and the anonymous proxy (like that's going to fool anyone) present a strong case for them being, if not the same person, as closely connected as Kaz and Karlie (probably using the same PC/internet connection).

Yes it would be easey for aniwon to pertend not to have good english...
though I don't think that is what is going on here.

Can you explain the "anonymous proxy" thing - it's not something I know anything about?

Araneus

7th September 2007, 08:22 PM

Can you explain the "anonymous proxy" thing - it's not something I know anything about?

An anonymising proxy is an Internet server which fetches web pages on your behalf and sends them on to you, so that the destination website (UK Skeptics in this case) does not know your IP address (the unique number which identifies a computer on the Internet, and provides some limited information about its location).

If "psychicsarahfan" is using an anonymising proxy, as John suggests she is, the most likely explanation[1] is that she wishes to conceal her IP address, which there is no reason to do if she genuinely is a totally different person, but a very good reason to do if she is posting from the exact same IP address as Sarah herself since this would otherwise be immediately obvious to the administrators.

[1] I would be tempted to say "the only valid explanation", but I dislike exclusive statements like this even in informal discussions. There is a vanishingly small but non-zero probability that she would need to use a proxy to get round some firewall or routing problem, but there is no reason to use an anonymising proxy in this case.

bindeweede

7th September 2007, 08:48 PM

Araneus,

Thank you for the explanation. It does sound a bit suspicious, well, very, really. I wonder what percentage of posts here come from such proxy servers.

tolman

7th September 2007, 09:29 PM

Actually, I kind of hope that the fan isn't Sarah, since if it is her, it would be deeply sad even by her standards, which is saying rather a lot.
Possibly a futile hope, though.

Cuddles

7th September 2007, 10:08 PM

[1] I would be tempted to say "the only valid explanation", but I dislike exclusive statements like this even in informal discussions. There is a vanishingly small but non-zero probability that she would need to use a proxy to get round some firewall or routing problem, but there is no reason to use an anonymising proxy in this case.

In all fairness, a lot of people use anonymous proxies just on the general principle that we should be allowed a bit of privacy without everyone knowing exactly where we've been and what we've done there. I have Tor, one of the more common ones, although I almost never use it since it slows things down to dial-up speeds or worse. There are also a lot of conspiracy and woo sites that don't just ban sceptics on sight but ban IPs so you can't even rejoin with a different name. A lot of posters on the JREF forums use anonymous proxies to get around things like this. As for the anonymous e-mail, pretty much everyone I know uses either Gmail or Hotmail, so that doesn't really mean anything.

Sarah's fan does seem awfully suspicious, but hiding sock puppets is far from the only reason for acting like that.

FarSideOfTheMoon

7th September 2007, 10:17 PM

In all fairness, a lot of people use anonymous proxies just on the general principle that we should be allowed a bit of privacy without everyone knowing exactly where we've been and what we've done there. I have Tor, one of the more common ones, although I almost never use it since it slows things down to dial-up speeds or worse. There are also a lot of conspiracy and woo sites that don't just ban sceptics on sight but ban IPs so you can't even rejoin with a different name. A lot of posters on the JREF forums use anonymous proxies to get around things like this. As for the anonymous e-mail, pretty much everyone I know uses either Gmail or Hotmail, so that doesn't really mean anything.

Sarah's fan does seem awfully suspicious, but hiding sock puppets is far from the only reason for acting like that.

I have no idea if it is Sarah or not. I think there is a chance it is someone who has a bit of a grudge against UK Skeptics due to what has been posted in this or other threads. Jumping in with ad-hominems straight away makes me think someone has a personal reason as opposed to just disagreeing with a point of view.

tolman

7th September 2007, 10:18 PM

Sarah's fan does seem awfully suspicious, but hiding sock puppets is far from the only reason for acting like that.
Both suspicious, and entirely futile.

Even with the most eloquent fan in the world, people would be unlikely to forget Sarah's catalogue of failed predictions, self-serving untruths and evasions.

bindeweede

8th September 2007, 09:25 PM

I have to confess that I have not read all 52 pages of this thread, but has PS at any time predicted what has happened in the last 24 hours - ie both parents as suspects?

I have come across quite a lot about PS. Apologies in advance if this is a repeat post.

http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=500

I know it is about a month old, but some people might not have seen it.

tolman

8th September 2007, 10:00 PM

I have to confess that I have not read all 52 pages of this thread, but has PS at any time predicted what has happened in the last 24 hours - ie both parents as suspects?
Bearing in mind she has deleted quite a bit (though much remains in saved pages and quotes from her postings), I don't think she's gone for the parent angle, though it could be argued that it's to some extent in her favour that she hasn't jumped on that particular bandwagon yet, though maybe she was distracted by other ones.

However, just as her claims to have found an important site are currently no more than claims, we should bear in mind that the recent information isn't actually much.
It could simply be that the police want to question the parents under caution, it could be that they're also following some kind of neglect angle, it could be that they've found relatively little and are going for the easiest targets, or it could be some other explanation.

Practically speaking, we're still very much in the dark, and the information/speculation ratio is still extremely high. All kinds of scenarios fit the data available so far.

I'd reckon one characteristic of a skeptic is the willingness to say "I don't know" when there isn't sufficient information.

siestatime

9th September 2007, 08:57 AM

Hallo everyone.

Just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed first-hand seeing how psychics practise their art of making vague, ambiguous comments.

As most of them have mentioned along the way that "a woman" or "a couple" is involved, I reckon that some will claim to have foreseen the latest developments with the McCanns.

fruitfly

9th September 2007, 09:54 AM

tolman

9th September 2007, 11:02 AM

I'm not sure how much she reads what she's written, as opposed to just deciding in retrospect what she probably said or meant to say, and then claiming that was her position all along.

She doesn't even seem to read what she originally wrote when people quote it back to her for her enlightenment.

Assuming there ever is a reliable end to the case, maybe Sarah's mutterings that she knew who was involved but just couldn't say is a useful fallback position.

For any aspiring crime-chasing psychics out there, that seems a pretty good gambit in a case like this. If you've made suggestions you're providing information to the police, *and* the finger of some people's suspicions points at relatives of the abducted, as it often will in cases where there is little evidence, keeping quiet can later be portrayed as not wanting to interfere in an investigation you were involved in, and if relatives are actually found to be involved, you could also make the bonus claim that you had felt their involvement but hadn't been completely certain, so didn't want to cause anguish by suggesting blame prematurely.
I guess even continual failed predictions of closure 'soon' can be spun as you knowing the police had the necessary information, but that they were being overly cautious.

macaroon4

9th September 2007, 11:39 AM

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20New
Here is my take on it here b

NB... Copy sent to Leicestershire police and info sent to Portugeuse Police through Dalkey Gardes in Dublin ....

I first got the psychic tip of Maddy being 2 to 4 miles North East from where she was taken before the Ducth tip off came in (a week before) ...so when I heard it on the news I KNEW is was NOT a hoax...it seems the approx distance of the place here decribed below is 7 to 9 KMS from P de LUZ

But the main point I wish to make is that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax...The search just has to move a little further to find the area described here below...

clues here below

Go 9 kms North East from P De Luz and work your way back towards P de LUz ......from the site of the tip off..to about 7 kms from P de Luz

There should be a site of the following description....just before you stop you drive down between two white inhabited houses...

Go through the village of the yellow houses and park up on the road when you can't go any further by car...get out and walk...there is a shrine on the road with red candles in it? then a concealed path...steep hill (One in 5 gradiient?)

There is a yellow derelict house and broken wall in this area...search along the wall....the key clue is the shrine on the side of the road with something in it....then there should be a pull in layby just after this....There should be fruit trees (not many ) one or two perhaps in the grounds of the house.

Also a gulley and steep hill...perhaps wooded at the top...very dense bushes and undergrowth in whole area

How many REMOTE outpost type places can there be within a 9 to 15 mile radius which fit this description???

With a bus stop...a petrol pump...old dilapidated thing...(Green?)

Two houses side by side ...that you drive through...'go between'

.....a broken wall... Pear trees growing

the yellow house? This house is PAINTED Yellow...possible Lemon coloured and faded ...but painted...(ie not simply that it is sandstone)...a broken wall beside it...derelict

Where is the isolated petrol pump? ...bus stop...and place where you can get food (small store...out post) ...it is isolated... a broken wall...off mud track of a road up in the hills...

She is not buried...area not yet searched...

San Miguel (name of a house?)...but this also links to 'LOOK FURTHER' .....the logo of the current San Miguel AD)

'pop or 'poppy' (Maddy's name for someone or something) ...'pippy'

63...number of a house....cork trees in the region have dates on the trunks...

A broken wall is IMPORTANT...I gather there is one beside the yellow house...

Search needs to continue....'9 and go back' is also significant....was she driven 9 miles out and then the man/woman came back...ie he/she is local...

It is a 20 minute drive when the roads are deserted

NB>>> Joanna is also missing in the area...she went missing 2004 and body has never been found...last seen coming out of a shop in the village of Figueira

Article re MAddy

Clearly the magnificently over-the-top international MADDY campaign has the appearance of being commendable; but in my opinion this is a futile search across the world which is leading to all sorts of bogus sightings and misleading stories that are wasting police time. Gypsies in airports, A blond lady collecting her blond child from the Gypsies in the hills, Numerous sightings in Africa, Amsterdam, Africa, and 101 sightings in Malta. This is one well-travelled child.

Of course all leads have to be investigated, and I do not mean to be irresponsible in what I am saying. It is just that I strongly believe that the elevated profile of Maddy’s parents and the ‘Find Maddy’ campaign has actually lengthened the duration of the search. Okay the Maddy hunt has raised the profile of missing kids everywhere, which can only be positive, and hopefully the Maddy fund will be put to good use in time to help others.

The Mc Cann’s are now making the search for Maddy their life’s work. Gerry Mc Cann has vowed to dedicate the rest of his time on earth to finding his daughter. As her father, this is exactly what you would expect him to say and do. I only hope it does not take that long. The guilt the Mc Cann’s must be feeling is immense; yet I really feel they are barking up the wrong tree. They are under the impression that Maddy has been abducted, and is still alive, waiting to be found or released. I certainly hope and pray this is true, but when Gerry and Kate were interviewed from their hill top villa last week sharing their myriad of ideas of ‘how to keep the profile high’ I found myself almost shouting at the TV...

WHY ARE YOU NOT SCOURING THE HILLS BEHIND YOU?

I know if I were Maddy’s mum I would be doing exactly that. Kate has said herself that she feels closest to Maddy in Portugal. Even though logically speaking Maddy could now be back in the UK, I believe a mother’s instinct is never wrong.

I am glad that the Mc Cann’s got to visit The Pope, and the butterfly which fluttered around Kate when she held The Pope’s hand can surely be taken as a sign of hope?

True, it could be, but butterflies often signal a passing from this world to the next and they are frequently seen at funerals. They represent transition, transformation and resurrection. I do believe this butterfly was a sign from Maddy, reassuring her mother, trying to bringing her some comfort…

I can not go into all the clues I have now passed onto the police but I believe that Maddy is not a stone’s throw from where she was taken. I believe she is in a place which is a 20 minute drive away when the roads are deserted.

I had not intended to get involved psychically in the search for Maddy, but shortly BEFORE the tip off from the Dutch newspaper I got a strong message that the authorities needed to search an area 2 to 4 miles from Pereira de Luz in a North Easterly direction.

Having searched the internet for the opinion of other psychics on this matter, I was probably as confused as anyone until this STRONG message happened upon me.

Many psychics on the net seemed to be linking Maddy’s abduction with boats, water, Northern Africa, remote farm buildings, out houses etc. Some were saying she was still alive in a family situation with her hair dyed black, possibly being kept in Spain or Northern Africa. None of it felt right to me. Okay, they may be right and I may be wrong; but I don’t get a whiff of a boat, water, or black wigs linking to this case. I believe she is inland in a remote desolate place…

In a way I hope I was just picking up on the Dutch related search; but that seems too obscure to me and most unlikely. It is not really born out by my experience of predicting stuff in the past. What would be the point in that? To me it confirmed that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax…This seemed to be the most specific lead thus far and I wish they would keep looking…

After the Dutch Tip off which linked the search directly to Oxadiere, it seemed that the ‘2 to 4’ message meant 2 to 4 cms on my map (Irish Indo’s recent Algarve booklet).

This area covers exactly the 9 to 15 kms from Pereira De Luz to Oxadiere and then on to Figueira. These two villages are exactly North East of Pereira De Luz. Oxadiere is 9 kms away (2cms) and Figueira (where a girl called Joanna was last seen in 2004) is 15 kms away (4 cms).

I am not suggesting these two crimes are linked, but I do believe the two girls are both out there waiting to be found. It could yet prove to be correct that she is in fact only 2 to 4 miles from Pereira De Luz. The overlap between the Dutch tip off and my info is interesting and to me validates the need to search MUCH more extensively in a 20 km radius North of Pereira.

When the tip off came in from Holland I just KNEW they had the right lead. I was so frustrated to hear that they had only given a cursory search because they had already covered the area. I do NOT think the tip off from the Dutch newspaper was a hoax. They found a towel when this area was searched…which may or may not be the towel in which she was carried out of the apartment. A similar tip off to the Dutch newspaper a couple of years ago exactly pin pointed where two kids were to be found in Belgian. Allegedly the tip off was from a psychic.

I do not believe it was…

Surely this should have seen the beginning of a massive search in the area…I feel strongly that they need to keep searching the mountainous region North of Pereira De Luz and I am particularly drawn to the road to Pereira which leads in a westerly direction off the northerly road to Monchique.

Joanna went missing in 2004, 7 miles from where Maddy was taken. She was last seen coming out of a shop in the village of Figueira. The Mother was put away for this crime after a confession was beaten out of her. She admitted to mutilating her daughter’s body under duress. The Policeman who recently got reprimanded by a magistrate for his unorthodox techniques is still in charge of the investigation to find Maddy. I am not saying these two missing girls are linked by the same crime or the same criminal, but they ARE both out there waiting to be found. I would be absolutely over the moon if Joanna were found as a result of the psychic tip offs, and that Maddy has simply been whisked away for a time to be doted on by someone feeling the void of a child in their lives…But…

Anyhow, I have passed this and other info onto Sky News and a couple of journalists in The Algarve. I had heard about the secretive system and unusual laws in Portugal so thought it best to try some other avenues to pass on the info I had received. I also emailed the Leicester Police just in case they could pass the message on. Unusually I went onto the message boards of sky news because I felt strongly that an enlightened journalist or the police would read it and get in touch. Normally I would keep such information totally private and go straight to the Gardes. But in this case I felt very strongly that it was right to try to get the info out in this way.

I knew I was setting myself up for criticism, but I felt it was the best way to try and help find Maddy. I know the Mc Cann’s are deeply religious and would never seek out a reputable psychic on this matter; even though I too have a strong faith. This was the only approach I could think of to take. It was a judgement call that looked all wrong, but which actually turned out okay. My posts on the message boards DID have the desired effect. An ex cop saw them and phoned me.

This officer ‘happened upon’ the lively discussion I was having with scathing skeptics and people generally ignorant on all things psychic. I now wish I had not taken this route to getting involved in the hunt for Maddy, as it seemed to be a pointless, negative discussion. Thankfully though, the right person DID see what I was trying to do and got in touch

The ex Police officer is now out in Portugal following up the leads and searching for further evidence (Maddy’s pyjamas). This person noticed that what I was saying coincided with what a reputable psychic in Wakefield had told her about Maddy. This lady is now out there with her father pursuing these leads privately. I hope they get somewhere…but of course they may not.

The info has also been passed on to the Portuguese Police through our own Garde system. A random call I made to RTE’s Crime Call after the Mc Cann’s appearance lead to two detectives on my doorstep last weekend. They had come looking for Irish holiday snaps, but at least their visit meant that the info would finally get through to the Mc cann’s and the Portuguese Police. I hope this all leads to a resolution for Maddy’s sake.

After my experience on the message boards I am painfully aware that some people just do not like psychics or their take on life, so let’s just be logical for a second.

IF Maddy is alive there is really only one scenario which fits with all the clues coming in across the ether. One thing IS for sure; to still be alive at this point Maddy would have to be VERY well looked after. Maddy is a bright but delicate child. The distinctive marking on her eye indicates a weak spleen and stomach. One kick and she would be gone. I am not saying this is what has happened to her because it is not. Suffice to say though, Maddy would NOT cope with anything physically difficult for too long.

Because of her physical weakness, if she is still alive Maddy must surely now be happily ensconced with a loving Northern African family who paid handsomely for the privilege of having a gorgeous blue eyed blond child in their midst. To escape the pressure this family recently escaped for a holiday on their private boat to the small civilized island of Malta where everybody knows everybody. A couple of nights ago because of all the attention, they returned under cover of darkness to their third home in Algeria where they will reside while they work out what to do next.

Hopefully soon they will get severe pangs of conscience and release Maddy into a crowded market place, or leave her in a church. At the worst, perhaps they will just keep her until she is a teenager when she will manage to escape by herself if she even wants to by then…

An unconvincing fairy tale or the truth?

madeleine has been taken to the greek port of alexandroupolis near turkey and has been there for a while and will remain there ti'll the time is right.she is been held in a dis-used concrete structure not unlike a petrol station or smallish primary school about 5 miles from the sea port, north. how do i know that? easy its the lighthouse its unmistakable the only one its kind ,once seen never forgotten.
i was right with the tsunami and kept quiet but this is different.
i dont know what to do with this info i could be totally wrong but maybe not.iv'e known this for 2 months...what now?

tolman

9th September 2007, 11:48 AM

Isn't it funny that in the first instance, it's not really possible to tell the difference between someone who's serious, and someone who's just taking the p***?

Mind you, I guess that's also one of the differences between science and pseudoscience - with pseudoscience, you often can't tell who's beleives what they're saying, who's scamming, and who's parodying.

FarSideOfTheMoon

9th September 2007, 02:11 PM

madeleine has been taken to the greek port of alexandroupolis near turkey and has been there for a while and will remain there ti'll the time is right.she is been held in a dis-used concrete structure not unlike a petrol station or smallish primary school about 5 miles from the sea port, north. how do i know that? easy its the lighthouse its unmistakable the only one its kind ,once seen never forgotten.
i was right with the tsunami and kept quiet but this is different.
i dont know what to do with this info i could be totally wrong but maybe not.iv'e known this for 2 months...what now?

You should really have told somone about the tsunami you know.

siestatime

9th September 2007, 02:25 PM

It never ceases to amaze me that people claiming they have psychic abilities are also totally incapable of stringing together a sentence without spelling or grammatical errors. Is this part of the job description?

Araneus

9th September 2007, 02:48 PM

i dont know what to do with this info i could be totally wrong but maybe not.iv'e known this for 2 months...what now?

See a psychiatrist? And learn the definitions of words like "know" and "information" since you don't seem to be familiar with them.

Unless this was indeed a parody, in which case -- spot on O0.

(My own "psychic intuition" is that Madeleine is dead, and has been for a long time now. But this "information" could be totally wrong.)

tolman

9th September 2007, 03:29 PM

If I could predict tsunamis, bearing in mind people in general would be highly unlikely to believe me at first, I guess I'd start by looking at some way of profiting, such as buying 'put' options on local hotel or insurance companies, flying out to the location and setting up some good video cameras on high ground, etc.
If I'd done that a couple of times in a row, and I could prove I'd done it, people might start to take me seriously.

If I could only predict one, and no-one would be likely to believe me even if I told them beforehand, rather than afterwards, it'd be a stunningly useless talent, if not an actual curse.
If I didn't tell anyone beforehand, I'd be a fool if I thought any stranger was likely to believe me afterwards.

psychicsarah

10th September 2007, 11:46 AM

QUOTE From SKY

NO I didn't go off in a huh...I had to go quiet because of what was about to happen...(the police have record of this)

Some of what I had written was too close to the bone at that point...(re Cuddle Cat etc)...so I deleted it...and the purpose of me coming onto the internet re this had been served with finding that location and reporting it

As I said the police have the record that what is now happening I have said all along

The Mc Cann's also interestingly live at ORCHARD HOUSE....

'where Pear trees grow...

'9 and back' also refers to the fact they have been married for 9 years...and the emotional issue re kids that I identified from the off relates to the IVF

The apparently 2 different location differences...reflect on what may well have happened too...ie I did also say she could well have been moved and that there are 2 locations holding more evidence

the 2 to 4 miles intially...and then the ' 9 and back' re distance too...linking to the Ducth tip off site...

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...

The question remains...are they being framed and I was picking up on the details of this last week ...or did they actually do it?

I also said they would remain in Portugal a max of 130 days at this point...they left on the 129th day

If you remember I did say that the evidence was going to be inconclusive...and cause quite a stir

Again I am going to remain quiet on this matter

I noticed that a child's fleece had been tested inconclusively ...and was wondering if this was the child's top that Gail and co found...I don't really know....I doubt it...but interesting

I feel REALLY sorry for them...this whole thing is really heartbreaking...

Please don't read too much into what I am saying ... I am only commenting on the events and my prediction of them in advance...

we will leave it to the police to do their job...and hopefully they will get it right and not frame an innocent couple

NB...To the Skeptics....

The police have the record of what I have said from early on re this...

Once again some of you are calling me a liar and defaming me....and still some of you are implying that I have some kind of psychological condition that needs attention...to you people...GET A LIFE....

for the MILLIONTH TIME I am simply trying to help find this little girl...

::)

***as for Sarahsfan...I am nothing to do with that...Tolomon...you have a more vivid imagination than you seem to think I have!!!.

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NO I didn't go off in a huh...I had to go quiet because of what was about to happen...

Some of what I had written was too close to the bone at that point...(re Cuddle Cat etc)...so I deleted it...and the purpose of me coming onto the internet re this had been served with finding that location and reporting it

As I said the police have the record that what is now happening I have said all along

The Mc Cann's also interestingly live at ORCHARD HOUSE....

'where Pear trees grow...

'9 and back' also refers to the fact they have been married for 9 years...and the emotional issue re kids that I identified from the off relates to the IVF

The apparently 2 different location differences...reflect on what may well have happened too...ie I did also say she could well have been moved and that there are 2 locations holding more evidence

the 2 to 4 miles intially...and then the ' 9 and back' re distance too...linking to the Ducth tip off site...

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...

The question remains...are they being framed and I was picking up on the details of this last week ...or did they actually do it?

I also said they would remain in Portugal a max of 130 days at this point...they left on the 129th day

If you remember I did say that the evidence was going to be inconclusive...and cause quite a stir

Again I am going to remain quiet on this matter

I noticed that a child's fleece had been tested inconclusively ...and was wondering if this was the child's top that Gail and co found...I don't really know....I doubt it...but interesting

I feel REALLY sorry for them...this whole thing is really heartbreaking...

Please don't read too much into what I am saying ... I am only commenting on the events and my prediction of them in advance...

we will leave it to the police to do their job...and hopefully they will get it right and not frame an innocent couple

Hi Sarah,
Nice to see you have posted again.
Someone pulled this thread up a few days ago,i thought i would have a peek and noticed you hadnt posted so i didnt directley post to you as i thought you were either really busy or you would post as and when you felt you needed to.
As it was i was away from these boards myself for 10 days and came back on about a week ago.

What are your thoughts on how this is going to develop?

I think now the parents have come home the investigation will fall flat on its face-although i hope im wrong and justice is served.

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Hi Sarah,
Nice to see you have posted again.
Someone pulled this thread up a few days ago,i thought i would have a peek and noticed you hadnt posted so i didnt directley post to you as i thought you were either really busy or you would post as and when you felt you needed to.
As it was i was away from these boards myself for 10 days and came back on about a week ago.

What are your thoughts on how this is going to develop?

I think now the parents have come home the investigation will fall flat on its face-although i hope im wrong and justice is served.

Hi Sarah........I'm over there for 2 weeks from Sat, leaving here on Friday. If you email precise details I will have a look.

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Posted by sarahmystic 51 min ago
Yes I came back because I felt the thread would be pulled up because of the events of this week

It would be quite possible if only the eyes of the world weren't on this case that it would now tail off.

BUt the reality is the eyes of the world are on this situation and it keeps getting stirred and will continue to be...

The Mc Canns too are not going to take this lying down....they have come this far

'9 and back' has a third meaning too....

ie) more work needs to be done on what happened between the hours of 6 and 9....ie 9 and then back...

Same with location...take the nine (of the Dutch Tip off) ...and look back...(towards P de Luz)

(The psychic clues have been a mixture of observation, prediction and description)

I just hope and pray that ultimately this all leads to Madeline being found....

The Mc Canns are right on that...the focus needs to be on finding HER. I always said things won't really be clear until then...which is why I placed such an emphasis on LOCATION from the off...

Has the perpetrator decided to move her and so get convicted....? The detective I spoke to said it was NOT usually the norm to go back and move a body....But in this case I felt it was a HIGH possibility

2 to 4 miles...and then '9 and back'....

Admin

10th September 2007, 12:21 PM

The Mc Cann's also interestingly live at ORCHARD HOUSE....

'where Pear trees grow...

A great psychic hit there - a.k.a. retrofitting. ;)

And a pretty pathetic attempt at it too.

Please don't read too much into what I am saying ...

No worries on that count. ;D

Dr B

10th September 2007, 12:28 PM

Pear trees grow in my garden......does that implicate me and my garden????8)

FarSideOfTheMoon

10th September 2007, 12:30 PM

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...
You really are laughable. I've rarely seen someone try to make more tenuous connections. If you had pointed any of that out last week, I would just have said, so what?

The question remains...are they being framed and I was picking up on the details of this last week ...or did they actually do it?

Probably about the same time as the media was starting to focus on that.

The police have the record of what I have said from early on re this...

Once again some of you are calling me a liar and defaming me....and still some of you are implying that I have some kind of psychological condition that needs attention...to you people...GET A LIFE....

How do we go about getting those records from the police then? Do you have a contact? Were you more specific with the police than the nonsense you have printed here? All I can see is a last desperate attempt to salvage your untenable position and satisfy your thirst for publicity.

FarSideOfTheMoon

10th September 2007, 12:34 PM

Again I am going to remain quiet on this matter

Please do...:smiley:

vbloke

10th September 2007, 12:40 PM

QUOTE From SKY

NO I didn't go off in a huh...I had to go quiet because of what was about to happen...(the police have record of this)prove it

Some of what I had written was too close to the bone at that point...(re Cuddle Cat etc)...so I deleted it...and the purpose of me coming onto the internet re this had been served with finding that location and reporting itOr at least, you were pulled up on it, due to your "prediction" being all over the newspapers on the same day. Curious coincidence, no?

As I said the police have the record that what is now happening I have said all alongWhere have you mentioned that the McCanns themselves are now suspects?

The Mc Cann's also interestingly live at ORCHARD HOUSE....

'where Pear trees grow...Retrofitting at it's finest. If you can't get the facts to fit, hammer them into shape and them force that square peg into the round hole.

'9 and back' also refers to the fact they have been married for 9 years...and the emotional issue re kids that I identified from the off relates to the IVF Odd then that you were so insistent that the "9 and back" referred to where she was buried.

The apparently 2 different location differences...reflect on what may well have happened too...ie I did also say she could well have been moved and that there are 2 locations holding more evidenceAnd your evidence for this is..?

the 2 to 4 miles intially...and then the ' 9 and back' re distance too...linking to the Ducth tip off site...Which was shown to be a hoax, so essentially worthless, but you have too much invested in it (which can't be deleted here) to let it go.

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...No, you might have been believed, but to pull this out now that you know more information, means that all you're good at is retrofitting and claiming that what's been printed in the newspapers is your psychic ability. Absolute tosh.

The question remains...are they being framed and I was picking up on the details of this last week ...or did they actually do it?You don't get off that easily. You never mentioned until now any possibility of them being potentially guilty, so don't try and force fit it into your past predictions. It's painfully transparent.

I also said they would remain in Portugal a max of 130 days at this point...they left on the 129th dayNo you didn't. You said that 130 days was key. Prior to that, 87 days and then 100 days was "key" but neither of them turned out to be. Best of 3?

If you remember I did say that the evidence was going to be inconclusive...and cause quite a stirNo, say claimed she would be FOUND, you knew WHERE SHE WAS and had the EVIDENCE. None of which has been forthcoming.

Again I am going to remain quiet on this matterPerhaps because you actually can't predict anything?

I noticed that a child's fleece had been tested inconclusively ...and was wondering if this was the child's top that Gail and co found...I don't really know....I doubt it...but interestingYou told us it was a child's pyjama top and that it was pink. Again, retrofitting your claims against the real story doesn't wash here.

I feel REALLY sorry for them...this whole thing is really heartbreaking...At last, something we can agree on.

Please don't read too much into what I am saying ... I am only commenting on the events and my prediction of them in advance...Translation: I may be wrong, so please don't pull my predictions apart in case it makes me look bad. I'm trying my hardest to make the facts fit what I said.

we will leave it to the police to do their job...and hopefully they will get it right and not frame an innocent couple If you have evidence of framing, I'm sure the McCanns would like to hear it. Shame you didn't let the police get on with their job in the first place, you had to keep pestering them with your half-baked dreams.

NB...To the Skeptics....

The police have the record of what I have said from early on re this...Let us know the police force you deal with and we can easily check this.

Once again some of you are calling me a liar and defaming me....and still some of you are implying that I have some kind of psychological condition that needs attention...to you people...GET A LIFE.... You have been caught several times altering posts and claiming things that never happened (the "test" you apparently did with the lottery for example). These are not the actions of an honest person.

for the MILLIONTH TIME I am simply trying to help find this little girl...Again, we can easily check your evidence if you actually let us see any of it.

Posted by Ruby 1 hr 11 min ago
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NO I didn't go off in a huh...I had to go quiet because of what was about to happen...Translation: I was being ripped apart here, so left in case I incriminated myself further.

Some of what I had written was too close to the bone at that point...(re Cuddle Cat etc)...so I deleted it...and the purpose of me coming onto the internet re this had been served with finding that location and reporting it

As I said the police have the record that what is now happening I have said all along

The Mc Cann's also interestingly live at ORCHARD HOUSE....

'where Pear trees grow...

'9 and back' also refers to the fact they have been married for 9 years...and the emotional issue re kids that I identified from the off relates to the IVF

The apparently 2 different location differences...reflect on what may well have happened too...ie I did also say she could well have been moved and that there are 2 locations holding more evidence

the 2 to 4 miles intially...and then the ' 9 and back' re distance too...linking to the Ducth tip off site...

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...

The question remains...are they being framed and I was picking up on the details of this last week ...or did they actually do it?

I also said they would remain in Portugal a max of 130 days at this point...they left on the 129th day

If you remember I did say that the evidence was going to be inconclusive...and cause quite a stir

Again I am going to remain quiet on this matter

I noticed that a child's fleece had been tested inconclusively ...and was wondering if this was the child's top that Gail and co found...I don't really know....I doubt it...but interesting

I feel REALLY sorry for them...this whole thing is really heartbreaking...

Please don't read too much into what I am saying ... I am only commenting on the events and my prediction of them in advance...

we will leave it to the police to do their job...and hopefully they will get it right and not frame an innocent couple See above.

Posted by sarahmystic 51 min ago
Yes I came back because I felt the thread would be pulled up because of the events of this week

It would be quite possible if only the eyes of the world weren't on this case that it would now tail off.

BUt the reality is the eyes of the world are on this situation and it keeps getting stirred and will continue to be...

The Mc Canns too are not going to take this lying down....they have come this far

'9 and back' has a third meaning too....

ie) more work needs to be done on what happened between the hours of 6 and 9....ie 9 and then back...

Same with location...take the nine (of the Dutch Tip off) ...and look back...(towards P de Luz)

(The psychic clues have been a mixture of observation, prediction and description)

I just hope and pray that ultimately this all leads to Madeline being found....

The Mc Canns are right on that...the focus needs to be on finding HER. I always said things won't really be clear until then...which is why I placed such an emphasis on LOCATION from the off...

Has the perpetrator decided to move her and so get convicted....? The detective I spoke to said it was NOT usually the norm to go back and move a body....But in this case I felt it was a HIGH possibility

2 to 4 miles...and then '9 and back'....When are you actually going to produce any actual evidence Sarah? I mean, something that we can look at, examine and test? Not your vague ramblings and retrofitted dreams.
Name the police force you have been dealing with
Locate EXACTLY on a map where Gail "found" this pink top
Give us the names of the officers you have spoken to, so we can check with them as to the accuracy of your information

tolman

10th September 2007, 01:34 PM

Some of what I had written was too close to the bone at that point...(re Cuddle Cat etc)...so I deleted it...and the purpose of me coming onto the internet re this had been served with finding that location and reporting it
Ah, good old Cuddle Cat - another thing that someone else pointed out, and which you then incorporated into your theorising.

As I said the police have the record that what is now happening I have said all along
My dear, the only thing you have said 'all along' is 'look at me, I'm psychic!'.

'9 and back' also refers to the fact they have been married for 9 years...and the emotional issue re kids that I identified from the off relates to the IVF
'...and back'? Have they somehow travelled backwards in time?
The emotional issue you originally suggested was an explanation of what you reckoned was an abduction:

It is all much closer to home than peopel realise...it's someone local who would not stand out like a sore thumb and who was aware of the routines...she was carried away; not put directly into a car...and kept briefly in an underground basement or cellar...it wasn't madly planned or thought out...it was spontaneous and opportunistic becasue of emotional trauma within the person who abducted her

The apparently 2 different location differences...reflect on what may well have happened too...ie I did also say she could well have been moved and that there are 2 locations holding more evidence
Where /when did you suggest she'd been moved?

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...
Pointed what out? All you seem to have done is a late partial jump onto the 'maybe the parents are guilty' bandwagon.

The question remains...are they being framed and I was picking up on the details of this last week ...or did they actually do it?
You're supposed to be the bloody psychic. You tell us - that's the way it works.

I also said they would remain in Portugal a max of 130 days at this point...they left on the 129th day
You've mentioned all kinds of numbers (84, 92-96, various '2-3 weeks', etc.)
Even with 130 days predicted as being important, you could have claimed any day in the last week as being important one way or another.
As far as I can see, about 3 weeks ago (ie once the previous date predictions had failed), you suggested 130 days as the date by which' we'd all know the truth'.
Surprise surprise, 130 days has arrived, and we know next to nothing.
You then modified your prediction to 'Max time parents will stay in Portugal', which might look impressive at first. However, as someone immediately pointed out at the time:

I'm not surprised that, since all the other days / dates given have now passed, you have now made yet another stab in the dark time of "130 days" and have now attributed it to the McCann's return to UK- AFTER it has been reported in the papers they have only rented their villa for another month.........erm......suspicious...

If you remember I did say that the evidence was going to be inconclusive...and cause quite a stir
Checkable references, please.

Once again some of you are calling me a liar and defaming me....and still some of you are implying that I have some kind of psychological condition that needs attention...to you people...GET A LIFE....
Sarah, you say self-serving things which are not true, you don't engage at all when that is clearly pointed out, and you repeat the untruths again and again.
If you honestly think you're being defamed, you need only address the specific instances when people seem to think you said untrue things, and explain just why they're wrong. You don't seem to have even tried to do that.

***as for Sarahsfan...I am nothing to do with that...Tolomon...you have a more vivid imagination than you seem to think I have!!!.
I merely pointed out the similarities in style. Whether it's you, some boneheaded real person or someone playing around trying to make you look bad doesn't matter much in the long run.
Ultimately, you're your own worst enemy.

Admin

10th September 2007, 05:38 PM

Side issues moved: http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1293

Please, if anyone wants to criticise UKS, start another thread.

How "nice" people are or have been is another issue.

siestatime

10th September 2007, 05:43 PM

QUOTE From SKY

You will appreciate that if I had pointed any of this out publically before the events of this week I would have been totally maligned...

psychicsarah, I hope you appreciate that I interpret these words as your "get out of jail free" card, allowing you to claim you foresaw all manner of possible scenarios in the near future, but "couldn´t comment at the time."
Not impressed, sorry.

fruitfly

10th September 2007, 06:33 PM

Absolutely nothing (re latest developments) in Sarah's post that hasn't been said on other forums from the beginning of this case. Check the Mirror site, for example. Sarah is following developments/ongoing speculation and claiming psychic insights.

Once again some of you are calling me a liar and defaming me....and still some of you are implying that I have some kind of psychological condition...

Well, which is it then?

fruitfly

10th September 2007, 06:59 PM

Posted 09/09/07 at 10.54 am.

Quite. I'm sure Sarah will find a nice little retrofit somewhere in her incoherent ramblings!

I claim a 'hit'!

Cuddles

11th September 2007, 09:10 AM

Once again some of you are calling me a liar and defaming me

It's not defamation if it's true.

tolman

11th September 2007, 10:06 AM

Sarah,
As everyone knows, the reasons some people call you a liar are that

a) You have said things which are just not true, seemingly designed to make you look like you had psychic talents.

b) When it's pointed out that you have said untrue things, you've failed to address the criticisms, instead you've moaned about being victimised and being deliberately taken out of context while oddly providing no examples to support your accusations.

c) You've the gone on to repeat the same untrue claims later as if nothing had happened.

For many people, that qualifies as lying.
The only reason more people don't call you a liar is that they're not entirely sure you really know what you're doing.

psychicsarah

11th September 2007, 12:13 PM

I give up with you lot...

The evidence that I have said these things (BEFORE the events)...is in the police station (DUBLIN, PORTIMAO and LEICESTER) and I would be able and WILL be able to prove it if at any point it is APPROPRIATE to do so in the future

Also my various media contacts have the evidence that I said these things BEFORE the events too

I may give the name of the police officer/detective in Dublin to John if it seems right at a later date...though I can't really see the point if it is only to satisfy your incessant doubt and curiosity...

This is all only about a lost little girl at the end of the day (and by that I mean Madeline, not myself...before you jump on that point too)

I now know the reason for the postings on the interent (aside from the reporting of the locaton previously mentioned)

I WILL at least reveal that to you when this is all over...it is NOT appropriate to do so now

NB) I am neither a liar nor in need of psychological attention...perhaps YOU are PROJECTING just a little bit too much onto me...yet again...

OVER AND OUT

:tongue:O0;)

Elin

11th September 2007, 12:23 PM

I have been reading some posts from PsychicSarah, here and nearly everywhere...I would like to ask her some questions:

1. Is Madeleine alive or dead?

2. Where is she or her body if she is dead?

3. Who abducted her/killed her?

4. Will she be found, if so when?

If you can answer this you truly are gifted, and surely can claim the rewards offered and you would be worlds psychic nr. 1...

Regards.

sherlock

11th September 2007, 12:28 PM

tolman

11th September 2007, 12:28 PM

I give up with you lot...
The evidence that I have said these things (BEFORE the events)...is in the police station (DUBLIN, PORTIMAO and LEICESTER) and I would be able and WILL be able to prove it if at any point it is APPROPRIATE to do so in the future
The evidence of what you said publicly, and then what you later *claimed* to have said shows that you can't be trusted.
Effectively, your claims to have said anything are worthless until corroborated by other means, so your claims to have said anything in particular to the police are worthless - only a fool would believe someone as untrustworthy as you before there is supporting evidence.

I may give the name of the police officer/detective in Dublin to John if it seems right at a later date...though I can't really see the point if it is only to satisfy your incessant doubt and curiosity...
The point would be that you might look less disreputable.
Maybe you could also could give him the names of the police you contacted when you were helping in the Sarah Payne and Soham cases?

NB) I am neither a liar nor in need of psychological attention...perhaps YOU are PROJECTING just a little bit too much onto me...yet again...
You have on several occasions said things which aren't true, and which you seem curiously unwilling to try to defend.
If you have some innocent explanation for that, please provide it, otherwise, people will come to the obvious conclusions, and no-one can blame them for that.

Cuddles

11th September 2007, 12:36 PM

The evidence that I have said these things (BEFORE the events)...is in the police station (DUBLIN, PORTIMAO and LEICESTER) and I would be able and WILL be able to prove it if at any point it is APPROPRIATE to do so in the future

It's been established that it's illegal to interfere in any with a police investigation in Portugal, including having someone wander around potential crime scenes looking for evidence as you claim has happened, psychic tips or not. The fact that you haven't been arrested suggests that the Portugese police at least do not have your information.

vbloke

11th September 2007, 12:37 PM

psychicsarah

11th September 2007, 01:39 PM

FarSideOfTheMoon

11th September 2007, 01:44 PM

psychicsarah

11th September 2007, 01:47 PM

psychicsarah

11th September 2007, 01:48 PM

I will give you the name of the policeman when this whole thing reaches a resolution...

But only if it is approriate to do so...

Thankyou Sherlock...with a name like that you should be on the case!

You' re right they have been horrible to me on here...

Never mind I am made of stern stuff and I am determined to help...or rather I have been...

I have now done everything that I can on this....

sherlock

11th September 2007, 01:53 PM

Answers to above quote

1. Is Madeleine alive or dead?

I believe she has passed on...

2. Where is she or her body if she is dead?

I have told you....the description is accurate

3. Who abducted her/killed her?

No one abducted her...a stranger did NOT enter the apartment.

4. Will she be found, if so when?

Yes she will be found....when she is meant to be

I am NOT after reward money...nor to be the world's number one psychic...

I have done this to fight for JUSTICE for Madeline...

I feel REALLY sorry for the Mc Canns

Could you possibly tell us again where she is? In easy to follow English, Im not very bright and I got very confused last time.

psychicsarah

11th September 2007, 02:07 PM

I most definitely had not wanted to get involved with this; but a week before the Dutch Tip off I got the message of her being 2 to 4 miles North East from where she was taken...

When the Dutch Tip off came in I strongly felt it was NOT a hoax and wondered why they didn't search more thoroughly

The clue of 9 and back then came in strongly and I wondered if she had been moved...or was it 9kms rather than miles...(in which case not too contradictory to the 4 mile initial message)

Aside from that I have further back given a strong physical description of the place...

I would like to say more about certain people's reactions to the 'HOAX'...but I can't it is really not yet appropriate but it did arouse my suspicions...

I was concerned about putting the info on the intenet but did so because I knew certain people who could help would read it ...this happened the ex police officer then got in touch and went out there and on the back of this we reported a particular place which allegedly fits the description I have given...she reported it

I then phoned them and faxed them too in Portimao..I certainly did not get the impression they were into ground searching...but that is their call

I also suspected there was another reason for this internet trail on this subject and with recent developments I think I now know what that is...again I can't go into it for you yet

Remember way back I drew parallels between this Madeline case and the Joanna case...only last weekend the press did articles on the apparent similarities between these cases...(Joanna is also lost in the area and has never been found)

I really don't know what more I can do...so I'm signing off from this...

The police seem to be onto something (or so they believe)...so whatever I did now would be ignored and they do not need me or the likes of me to help now (if they ever did!)

Elin

11th September 2007, 02:07 PM

Answers to above quote

1. Is Madeleine alive or dead?

I believe she has passed on...

2. Where is she or her body if she is dead?

I have told you....the description is accurate

3. Who abducted her/killed her?

No one abducted her...a stranger did NOT enter the apartment.

4. Will she be found, if so when?

Yes she will be found....when she is meant to be

I am NOT after reward money...nor to be the world's number one psychic...

I have done this to fight for JUSTICE for Madeline...

I feel REALLY sorry for the Mc Canns
-----------------
Thank you for your answer.:smiley:

Nr. 2. Sorry i didnt found the post where you wrote the accurate place she is. Could you give a link to that please.

Nr. 3. She wasnt abducted ok thats clear now, but how did she die then?

Nr. 4. Would that be tomorrow or in like 100 years?

psychicsarah

11th September 2007, 02:10 PM

And now it really IS time to kiss you all goodbye!!!

O0O0O0

sherlock

11th September 2007, 02:17 PM

FarSideOfTheMoon

11th September 2007, 02:19 PM

Apologies if this upsets any of the more sensitive posters, but I do hope that this really is the last time we see you here.
Your version of history and the truth is not one I will miss.

Elin

11th September 2007, 02:24 PM

And now it really IS time to kiss you all
goodbye!!!

O0O0O0

You have no clue then?
Lady reading your rubbish all over the internet, gives me chills. You are a fraud who is desperately seeking attention and uses this tragedy on your behalf.

:-* Bye.

tolman

11th September 2007, 02:32 PM

3. Who abducted her/killed her?

No one abducted her...a stranger did NOT enter the apartment.
So, you've completely changed your position from when you said she'd been abducted, then:

she was carried away; not put directly into a car...and kept briefly in an underground basement or cellar...it wasn't madly planned or thought out...it was spontaneous and opportunistic becasue of emotional trauma within the person who abducted her
When did you change your mind about abduction?

4. Will she be found, if so when?

Yes she will be found....when she is meant to be
So what did you mean when you suggested the case would be solved by all kinds of dates which have now passed?

random thoughts

11th September 2007, 02:40 PM

Julia

11th September 2007, 02:57 PM

She's had more final performances than Dame Nellie Melba - let's hope that, just for once, Sarah has told the truth and won't be regaling us with any more of her rubbish. I'm inclined to think that she is self-deluded rather than blatantly fraudulent, but her exploitation of a missing (almost certainly murdered) child was disgusting. >:-)

vbloke

11th September 2007, 03:20 PM

I didn't go to Portugal for these very reasons...and the ex police officer who went out there DID call out the local police when they found something suspiscious

I do not want to get further involved....I have done what I can Which is the sum total of nothing, as far as I can tell.

V Bloke

I don't know if the place would share that kind of confidential info with you....indeed why should they?

To get access to the info I have given here in Dublin ..you would need access to the regional station and the detective I worked with and who filed further reports to Portugal

(He was by the way fully supportive of what I was saying....)It's called the Freedom of Information Act, where if I request certain information, they are legally obliged to provide it. It applies in Dublin, just as much as it does here.

It's not confidential, as it would not impede their investigations, so there is no reason that I can see that they would not release the information that I have requested.

vbloke

11th September 2007, 03:22 PM

VBloke - as Sarah mentioned in one of her earlier posts her local police (called the Garda in Ireland) is in Dalkey, Co. Dublin Telephone +353 1 6665450. That might be the regional station she's referring to.Thanks.

I have written to them, as it is the proper channel to go through for FOI requests.

vbloke

11th September 2007, 03:25 PM

Answers to above quote

1. Is Madeleine alive or dead?

I believe she has passed on...So you've changed your mind again - you used to say she was alive.

2. Where is she or her body if she is dead?

I have told you....the description is accurateAccurate to within 400 square miles.

3. Who abducted her/killed her?

No one abducted her...a stranger did NOT enter the apartment. So you are now implying that a family member potentially did it.

4. Will she be found, if so when?

Yes she will be found....when she is meant to be Meaningless.

I am NOT after reward money...nor to be the world's number one psychic...

I have done this to fight for JUSTICE for Madeline...

I feel REALLY sorry for the Mc CannsBut you will use this to further your career.

vbloke

11th September 2007, 03:25 PM

I will give you the name of the policeman when this whole thing reaches a resolution...

But only if it is approriate to do so...If my FOI request gets granted, I may well end up with the name of the officer you dealt with (if any).

Bartos

11th September 2007, 09:56 PM

I didn't go to Portugal for these very reasons...and the ex police officer who went out there DID call out the local police when they found something suspiscious

I do not want to get further involved....I have done what I can

V Bloke

I don't know if the place would share that kind of confidential info with you....indeed why should they?

To get access to the info I have given here in Dublin ..you would need access to the regional station and the detective I worked with and who filed further reports to Portugal

(He was by the way fully supportive of what I was saying....)

Hi Everyone

Sarah,
You're doing my head in right now. For months I have followed this board and nothing, and I mean nothing that you have said is in any way true. You ramble on and on and on.
You're done the best retrofitting I've ever seen.

I'm in Dublin right now. Are you talking about the Garda Siochana (the irish police force) in Dublin? I would not refer to them as regional stations , rather they would be called divisional stations. I do know all the police stations. So tomorrow I am going to make a few 'phone calls starting with Howth and Swords stations. Perhaps they will confirm that a psychic has been in contact with them.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained :-\

bindeweede

11th September 2007, 10:02 PM

Hi Everyone

Sarah,
You're doing my head in right now. For months I have followed this board and nothing, and I mean nothing that you have said is in any way true. You ramble on and on and on.
You're done the best retrofitting I've ever seen.

I'm in Dublin right now. Are you talking about the Garda Siochana (the irish police force) in Dublin? I would not refer to them as regional stations , rather they would be called divisional stations. I do know all the police stations. So tomorrow I am going to make a few 'phone calls starting with Howth and Swords stations. Perhaps they will confirm that a psychic has been in contact with them.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained :-\

Please keep us up-to-date. Bon chance.

Bartos

11th September 2007, 10:05 PM

VBloke - as Sarah mentioned in one of her earlier posts her local police (called the Garda in Ireland) is in Dalkey, Co. Dublin Telephone +353 1 6665450. That might be the regional station she's referring to.

Thanks Random Thoughts,
I did not see your post before I had posted mine.
Will also do the FOI

Bartos

11th September 2007, 10:10 PM

VBloke - as Sarah mentioned in one of her earlier posts her local police (called the Garda in Ireland) is in Dalkey, Co. Dublin Telephone +353 1 6665450. That might be the regional station she's referring to.

I've lost a post :sad:
Thanks Random Thoughts,
Did not see your post before I posted mine.
Will do FOI to Dalkey Station as well.

tolman

11th September 2007, 10:15 PM

Hi Everyone

Sarah,
You're doing my head in right now. For months I have followed this board and nothing, and I mean nothing that you have said is in any way true. You ramble on and on and on.
You're done the best retrofitting I've ever seen.
I guess retrofitting is made rather easier when someone also simply makes up past predictions when it seems useful, as Sarah does.

psychicsarah

12th September 2007, 03:08 PM

Erin

Of course I have a clue ...I have just made it clear that much of this case is not yet fit for public consumption on here....

Some of you are contradicting yourselves...asking me to say what I know on the one hand and then criticising me when I give just a little bit

I have already told you that the info was passed to the Dublin Police a GOOD while ago...the Cuddle Cat stuff and my theory attached to it was on POlice Record BEFORE all of the latest developments

NO I have explained before....there is NO gain for me in what I have been doing...it is a no win for everyone...I have genuinely been trying to help....

I most certainly do not need or want this kind of attention...I came on to the internet to HELP as I have said countless times....Just because you do not believe in psychic ability does not mean it does not exist or that it can not in some situations actually be useful

I strongly suspect that police are not obliged to give out their detailed evidence at the beck and call of curious skeptics...Good Luck with that!

Stop defaming me and I will go away...I have said before I will stand up for myself and what I have been trying to do to help re Madeline

Interestingly the SKY news forum on this subject has been pulled now...so yours is the only forum with these details and this dicussion on it ....

psychicsarah

12th September 2007, 03:09 PM

Erin

Of course I have a clue ...I have just made it clear that much of this case is not yet fit for public consumption on here....I am most certainly NOT a fraud...and there is NO personal motive for what I have been doing.

Some of you are contradicting yourselves...asking me to say what I know on the one hand and then criticising me when I give just a little bit

I have already told you that the info was passed to the Dublin Police a GOOD while ago...the Cuddle Cat stuff and my theory attached to it was on POlice Record BEFORE all of the latest developments

NO I have explained before....there is NO gain for me in what I have been doing...it is a no win for everyone...I have genuinely been trying to help....

I most certainly do not need or want this kind of attention...I came on to the internet to HELP as I have said countless times....Just because you do not believe in psychic ability does not mean it does not exist or that it can not in some situations actually be useful

I strongly suspect that police are not obliged to give out their detailed evidence at the beck and call of curious skeptics...Good Luck with that!

Stop defaming me and I will go away...I have said before I will stand up for myself and what I have been trying to do to help re Madeline

Interestingly the SKY news forum on this subject has been pulled now...so yours is the only forum with these details and this dicussion on it ....

psychicsarah

12th September 2007, 03:22 PM

I am not trying to get anyone to believe I am psychic....

I used the internet to get certain information out into the public domain in the hope that it would help find Madeline and perhaps help solve the crime...

THAT IS ALL....

Goodbye

vbloke

12th September 2007, 03:39 PM

Sarah,

Your motives for coming on here and reposting identical information that you posted on several other sites are crystal clear - you wanted to attach your name to the Madeleine McCann case.

However, you have not been given an easy ride here, or on the Sky forum, as posters both on here and on the Sky forums have asked you some probing questions and pointed out glaring inconsistencies in your posts.

When these inconsistencies were pointed out, as when your answers to questions were shown to be either gross exaggerations or outright false, you begin acting like a child and storm off, refusing to answer questions and claim you are being persecuted.

Also, you claim that we set you a test that you subsequently passed, an incident that is not only untrue, but designed to make you look like you have passed a "skeptic's test" and that you are truly psychic (which is still to be ascertained, by the way). That is a blatant lie which you were rightly called upon. You then have the audacity to say you have never lied.

You then pull out of the test that was in the process of being devised for you, further alienating yourself from belief.

You have changed your original story many times - it is only thanks to the fact that you cannot post-edit your old posts on this forum that they remain as a testament to your evasions and hanging story. When this was pointed out on other forums, those threads either mysteriously vanished, or all your old posts were deleted and replaced by smilies. This is not the actions of someone who is not ashamed of what they said in the past, or does not have something to hide.

There are steps now in progress to verify your sources, from the information you have provided. When answers are received, that information will be posted here.

You have been dishonest, cunning, and manipulative, not the traits of an honest person, or someone keen on persuading people that they are open, honest and have genuine psychic abilities. Couple that with your inability to accurately remember your mistakes and evasions, goes a long way to showing that you are not to be trusted, will use any means to hide your mistakes, and are, if not actively dishonest, at least deluded as to your abilities.

psychicsarah

12th September 2007, 03:45 PM

get lost V Bloke

I am NOT interested in doing a skeptics test since many of you were so rude and defamatory about my work and my psyche

I have done what I can re Madeline and came onto the internet to HELP her...

Any luck with the police? I don't really know as I said why they would divulge their info to you...

You will have to wait for this case to resolve to understand what I have been doing

I have not been evasive...nor dishonest...quite the opposite...

I have been as truthful and honest as I could be without hindering the investigation

Where do you get off calling me delusional? I most definitely am NOT

bindeweede

12th September 2007, 03:47 PM

I am not trying to get anyone to believe I am psychic....

So why not re-title yourself as "Nonpsychicsarah"?

psychicsarah

12th September 2007, 03:50 PM

Whatever....

vbloke

12th September 2007, 03:54 PM

get lost V Bloke

I am NOT interested in doing a skeptics test since many of you were so rude and defamatory about my work and my psycheYou were, until you were called on your lies about already passing a non-existent test. If you don't test yourself, how do you know you're not simply delusional?

I have done what I can re Madeline and came onto the internet to HELP her... How would the internet help Madeleine? All that achieves is to attach your name to hers in search engines.

Any luck with the police? I don't really know as I said why they would divulge their info to you...The FOI requests were only posted yesterday, as I have said the replies, when received, will be posted here.

You will have to wait for this case to resolve to understand what I have been doingBut you claimed from the outset you knew who killed her and where she was buried. Why the change of story now?

I have not been evasive...nor dishonest...quite the opposite...You have consistently refused to answer simple questions and actively misrepresented evidence and your old posts. Where those worked against you, you simply deleted them. Shame you can't do that here, so your evasions are here for all to see.

I have been as truthful and honest as I could be without hindering the investigationYou have not been honest or truthful. deliberately misrepresenting facts is not the hallmarks of an honest person.

Where do you get off calling me delusional? I most definitely am NOTWe don't "get off" on calling you delusional - you have displayed many delusional qualities in your evasions, misrepresentations and lies here.

psychicsarah

12th September 2007, 03:56 PM

NO I haven't...

I have been a little evasive at times because of the nature of this case...to protect the information...BUT the police have it all

vbloke

12th September 2007, 03:59 PM

NO I haven't...

I have been a little evasive at times because of the nature of this case...to protect the information...BUT the police have it allThen a simple FOI request will show what information of yours the police have used (or not).

FarSideOfTheMoon

12th September 2007, 04:08 PM

When these inconsistencies were pointed out, as when your answers to questions were shown to be either gross exaggerations or outright false, you begin acting like a child and storm off, refusing to answer questions and claim you are being persecuted.

get lost V Bloke

I am NOT interested in doing a skeptics test since many of you were so rude and defamatory about my work and my psyche

QED :smiley:

Matt

12th September 2007, 04:16 PM

Interestingly the SKY news forum on this subject has been pulled now...so yours is the only forum with these details and this dicussion on it ....

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=122&NumItems=10

The board is still there. You're still posting to it. You last post just before 4 pm.

Julia

12th September 2007, 04:25 PM

Oh, great Cthulhu on a tentacle-powered bicycle - I thought Sarah had faded away into the Celtic twilight? Attempting to pin her down to a straight answer is like trying to nail ectoplasm to the wall. At least it would be if ectoplasm existed. :cheesy:

And we don't have to be psychic about what will happen next. Either the Irish police will not respond at all, or they will deny that Sarah has helped them in any way. Sarah will then come up with a conspiracy theory on the lines of "the police often seek psychic help but never admit to doing so".

vbloke

12th September 2007, 04:35 PM

And we don't have to be psychic about what will happen next. Either the Irish police will not respond at all, or they will deny that Sarah has helped them in any way. Sarah will then come up with a conspiracy theory on the lines of "the police often seek psychic help but never admit to doing so".Despite the fact that deliberately lying on a FOI request is a criminal offence...

brianp

12th September 2007, 06:23 PM

I have done what I can re Madeline and came onto the internet to HELP her...

In case I'm missing something here perhaps you would explain how your vague ramblings (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=13356#post13356) followed by your surreal retrofitting (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=16823&postcount=782) of said ramblings to the news as it emerges can possibly "HELP her" or anyone else?

This nonsense of a pear tree mentioned in a Portugese context somehow matching up with the McCann's home address of Orchard House, Rothley typifies your approach. How is that supposed to "HELP her"?

In truth nothing you've said has borne fruit - nothing at all.

My impression is that the only person you "came on to the internet to help" is yourself. Why else are your posts all over the Internet if not for self promotion? If your only concern was to help the child as you claim, you would have passed on your "information" to the authorities and kept quiet about it. If the police took you seriously (as you claim they have) they would have acted on your tip whether you publicised your involvement or not, so telling the world what you've done couldn't help anyone except possibly yourself.

Any luck with the police? I don't really know as I said why they would divulge their info to you...

In many cases the FOI Act 2000 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000036.htm) gives them no choice - that's certainly the case in England and Wales; I assume the Irish FOI is similar.

You will have to wait for this case to resolve to understand what I have been doing We already know precisely what you have been doing - cynically using a dreadful tragedy to your own ends.

I have not been evasive...nor dishonest...quite the opposite...

I have been as truthful and honest as I could be without hindering the investigation

Where do you get off calling me delusional? I most definitely am NOT

Not evasive?? I see someone who is always evasive when challenged over her self-contradictory statements, rewriting of history, deletion of posts etc.

Not dishonest?? Truthful and honest?? Really! A quick search of this forum will find numerous instances of your "inexactitudes" being pointed out to you.

How can you possibly wonder why people call you delusional?

tolman

13th September 2007, 12:06 PM

I have already told you that the info was passed to the Dublin Police a GOOD while ago...the Cuddle Cat stuff and my theory attached to it was on POlice Record BEFORE all of the latest developments
Your online postings would seem to indicate that you only seemed to pick up on cuddle cat after someone else suggested it was significant.

I strongly suspect that police are not obliged to give out their detailed evidence at the beck and call of curious skeptics...Good Luck with that!
Translation: "I can make claims to have helped the police, and I don't think anyone can check up on them"

The upshot of which is that your claims to have said things to the police are worthless, since you have a history of telling untruths about your predictions - without corroboration, someone would have to be deeply gullible to believe you.

Interestingly the SKY news forum on this subject has been pulled now...so yours is the only forum with these details and this dicussion on it ....
I suppose it's a good job I have copies of much of the major thread, including many of your blatant untruths.

psychicsarah

13th September 2007, 01:51 PM

psychicsarah

13th September 2007, 01:54 PM

Tolmon...I do not have a history of telling untruths..you are well lost on 'planet Tolmon'...

I hope you will understand that as the truth re) this case emerges I could not possibly have put up the details too far in advance (nor even now)

I checked with the detective I worked with and he said there is no way they would confirm to anyone that I had worked with them just on the back of a random enquiry..(whether from a skeptic or not)...he said the policy would be the same with the Leicester Police and Portimao Police ..

tolman

13th September 2007, 02:23 PM

Tolmon said I had lifted it from papers...I didn't ....you won't find what I said re) this theory of Cuddle Cat being put 'up high' anywhere on the net or in the papers...it is what I came up with and I told the police about it in more detail (than is on sky)
I said:

Your online postings would seem to indicate that you only seemed to pick up on cuddle cat after someone else suggested it was significant.
That's because the first reference I can find to you mentioning cuddle cat on the mirror forums was on July 16th, when you said:

PLease God this IS the case but as someone else said if this were the case CUDDLE CAT would have gone too...a good point I think....
which rather gave the impression that you were following up on someone else's idea.

I was trying to find the link re the Cuddle Cat stuff I had posted and then deleted on SKY...others had copied and pasted it which is good and it demonstrates what I was saying and implying at that time re Cuddle Cat... Will try to find where it is on sky cos I didn't put that info on here
I'm sorry, but if you were happy for information to be around, you wouldn't go around deleting it or trying to get whole threads pulled.

As we all know, you edit posts, and on the sky forums, edits were silent, so all that can really be said for sure is that if someone saved the sky forums on a certain date, things in the saved thread had been said before the date of saving, even if the posting dates for individual posts couldn't be relied upon. We could also say that if something you'd said had been quoted by someone we can trust not to have edited it later, that would be a fair indication of what you said and when.

As it happens, on the sky forums as I have them saved, the first mention of Cuddle cat was [supposedly] on June 17th, when some other person reckoned they'd had a dream 4 weeks before (ie mid-May) about cuddle-something, and had almost immediately seen mention of Cuddle Cat in the papers.
Of course, that could have been someone else making a post-dated edit, but even if so, it would still seem to indicate they reckoned cuddle cat was in the media very soon after the event.
Sarah, your first mention of Cuddle Cat on the Sky forums appears to be on August 12th, long after your comment on the Mirror forum where you seemed to suggest what you thought was someone else's idea.

Of course, it's possible you said important things and then deleted them, but you'd be hard pressed to get people to believe that without evidence.

tolman

13th September 2007, 02:48 PM

I hope you will understand that as the truth re) this case emerges I could not possibly have put up the details too far in advance (nor even now)
Wow - I can't predict anything in advance either, except by guesswork.
We must be soulmates.

vbloke

13th September 2007, 03:09 PM

Thanks Matt ...I only got through to post at 4pm because I had saved the link through to that thread...

I tried to see it on the usual list they have of topic discussion and they had replaced it with a link to discussion on use of the funds re the legal stuff..

I am glad it is still accessible ie) still visible... (will have a look today...)It is still there and all your posts appear to be as well.

V bloke as I have said before I constantly 'test' myself' or at least put myself up for public scruitiny in the work I do re predicting so prominently in the media...you have seen/heard of some of the on the spot tests people have thrown at me....okay they may not be tests approved by skeptical protocol but I don't care about that (I did but I don't now...after the treatment I have received from some people on here) Your constant "tests" that you claim you do on yourself - I assume you have protocols for them that would eliminate the possibilities of false positives, chance, guesswork, cold reading and misinterpretation?

I was trying to find the link re the Cuddle Cat stuff I had posted and then deleted on SKY...others had copied and pasted it which is good and it demonstrates what I was saying and implying at that time re Cuddle Cat... Will try to find where it is on sky cos I didn't put that info on hereYou only posted about Cuddle Cat after it had been plastered al over the newspapers. That leads me to assume that it wasn't a "psychic" intuition, just an astute reading of the newspaper. the fact that you've only brought it up again now that it's back all over the newspapers leads me again to assume that you disregarded it when it looked like a red herring and are now resurrecting it, as it looks hopeful again.

Tolmon said I had lifted it from papers...I didn't ....you won't find what I said re) this theory of Cuddle Cat being put 'up high' anywhere on the net or in the papers...it is what I came up with and I told the police about it in more detail (than is on sky) Odd then that the very day you happened to mention Cuddle Cat, it was on the front pages of all the major newspapers.

It is interesting they want Kate's diary to draw up a profile of an 'unhinged woman'...they won't find that kind of profile on Kate
...she is cool as a cuccumber...and is in a way displaying a kind of dignityI won't comment on this, because it is part of an ongoing case, and may entirely be to check for clues as to dates and times of their movements, nothing more.

Nils

13th September 2007, 05:00 PM

Am I a dingbot doing something wrong or has Psychic Sarah's website gone offline?

random thoughts

13th September 2007, 05:06 PM

No it's been offline for about the last ten days. Looking forward to the next one though.

Nils

13th September 2007, 05:19 PM

Aha. Ta.

I suspect it may have some bits missing when it reappears.

Quick! Google cache!

vbloke

13th September 2007, 06:08 PM

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sarahdelamerehurding.com

Admin

13th September 2007, 06:33 PM

Her site isn't actually down, it's responding OK - it looks like the content has been removed.

Cuddles

13th September 2007, 06:49 PM

I checked with the detective I worked with and he said there is no way they would confirm to anyone that I had worked with them just on the back of a random enquiry..(whether from a skeptic or not)...he said the policy would be the same with the Leicester Police and Portimao Police ..

As has been explained to you several times, freedom of information requests are not "random enquiries". It is a legal requirement for them to be answered. Of course, in an ongoing criminal investigation it is entirely possible that such information will be deemed not in the public interest and the request denied. However, your repeated wilful ignoring of everyone who tries to explain reality says more about you ever time you do so.

psychicsarah

14th September 2007, 01:17 PM

I'm glad to see sky stuff is still up....

(This discussion has nothing to do with my web site surely but...in case you re interested ...someone has brought psychicsarah.com....so I have to reorganise a mysticsarah.com site now...)

Quotes from SKY...

truth time....

I always knew the parents were culpable (though one would say this simply from the fact the kids had been left alone)

I tried to hint that all was not as it seemed even on the first page (on Sky)

If you look I say that people assumed far too quickly that this was an abduction with a 'dubious' motivation

I say (on page one and two of this thread) that it is all closer to home than people realise and that it was some kind of accident...that there is an emotional element re stress etc...and that she is initially kept somewhere...before being moved.

Some people have pointed out an apparent discrepancy re distances...I initially said 'not a stones throw'..which refers to where she was first kept

The main point I always emphasised was that she was still in Portugal and I have been consistent re this

I do use the word abduction at times which is possibly misleading...but just bears out what the feeling was at that point I guess (ie that she had gone missing) . Also because of the nature of what has happened I had to be vague on some points...I would have been lampooned if I had said what I suspected...though plenty of others have been saying these things (Here and on the Mirror Forum)

I never thought this was a planned abduction...EVER

I was always hugely suspicious of the campaign and aspects of it always struck me as very inapprorpriate...

I talked of a shadowy figure because It was not time to go into the detail of who did this....nor is it really yet time.

I am not sure if the truth will ever out re this...and again I did always say that no one would be done for the crime (unless they were framed)

Madeline needs to be found for this to happen..(for the truth to come out)

But it is possible that the fact she was moved will give enough evidence of what has happened to her...But it could be too late by then (you will have to wait and see what that means ...I can't go into that for legal reasons)

You will remember that I deliberately said for quite a time that I could not tell you who did this but I could tell you who did NOT...ie Murat (I said he was a potential scapegoat and that he and Madeline were the victims in this situation)

I deliberately never went near commenting on the Mc Canns...except a little when I was putting up the Cuddle Cat theory

I always warned you that the many citings were red herrings and that the looking for Madeline all over the world was absolutely pointless...and hindering her being found rather than helping..it made me very angry at some points I have to say because my over riding feeling has always been that she must simply be FOUND...never mind who did this

I do believe that aspects of the search for Madeline have been a big smoke screen

I checked with the detective who filed my reports and he said on no account would police divulge information of particular individuals working with them nor what has been said....as I thought it is confidential information...so you will never know directly from the police if psychics are used or not unless they choose to divulge this info for some reason of their own..It is confidential info and as I have said all along...just another kind of evidence.

To M Joe B

You obviously havent read this (SKY thread) carefully enough...I never said I worked directly with the PJ

I said I faxed and phoned both the Portimao police and the Leicester police and that I worked with a Dublin detective to file two reports...(one re location and one re something else) and these were sent through the police system to Portugal

Other people would have done such things to help throughout this case...

I am NOT exceptional in having tried to help

This is NOTHING to do with my work re writing astrology columns for newspapers and there is NO connection between Madeline and my other work...I have been trying to HELP find this little girl as have many people

Do I need to explain again why I came onto the internet re this?

I told the police this is what I had done and NO ONE has reprimanded me for it...(except a handful of skeptics)

How do you know it hasn't actually HELPED and that Madeline has been moved as a result of some of the location details on here and that this will be the very reason the perpetrator is caught????

ie) that evidence is now there that wasn't before??? How do you know this is not the case or possible?

God moves in mysterious ways and who are you to judge what I have done?

I have done what I felt was right...what more can any of us do in this life?

If it makes the difference between her being found or not...I will take it....

If it turns out to have been no use whatso ever I will take that too...at least I will have tried...

psychicsarah

14th September 2007, 01:23 PM

Can I ask why pages 8 to 46 of this thread are missing JOhn???

FarSideOfTheMoon

14th September 2007, 01:24 PM

To be honest, I thought and hoped you'd gone, and I couldn't really care less anymore what you said and what you didn't.

You post above is complete and utter egotistical claptrap. It actually makes me feel sick to see you acting in this way. Why is it so important for you to claim credit for this?

Technically you are just spamming this board, as you are posting your Sky News messages here without answering any of the questions being put to you.

psychicsarah

14th September 2007, 01:34 PM

It is not egotistical clap trap...it is the truth

I have been trying to help and some of you have tried to discredit me which to be honest is a waste of your time and energy...I am GENUINE re trying to help re Madeline

Some of you have left me with no option but to stick up for my reputation ... because if this is anything to do with helping finding Madeline...it is important that I do so

It is not spamming...because one of you would have lifted that stuff off SKY to put on here anyhow as some have done before...I was saving you the trouble

Now these really are my last words on the matter ...so I did want them to be on here too....

Goodbye and I wish you all well....

vbloke

14th September 2007, 01:38 PM

I'm glad to see sky stuff is still up....

(This discussion has nothing to do with my web site surely but...in case you re interested ...someone has brought psychicsarah.com....so I have to reorganise a mysticsarah.com site now...) Oops.

Quotes from SKY...

truth time....

I always knew the parents were culpable (though one would say this simply from the fact the kids had been left alone)

I tried to hint that all was not as it seemed even on the first page (on Sky)Odd that, on this very thread, you claim that they were being framed.

I
f you look I say that people assumed far too quickly that this was an abduction with a 'dubious' motivation

I say (on page one and two of this thread) that it is all closer to home than people realise and that it was some kind of accident...that there is an emotional element re stress etc...and that she is initially kept somewhere...before being moved. Nice retrofitting. you said nothing of the sort.

Some people have pointed out an apparent discrepancy re distances...I initially said 'not a stones throw'..which refers to where she was first keptAain, nice retrofitting. You gave several totally different distances over time and it kept altering (as did your time predictions) as the case wore on. You may have forgotten these, but we haven't.

The main point I always emphasised was that she was still in Portugal and I have been consistent re this No you haven't:
Because of her physical weakness, if she is still alive Maddy must surely now be happily ensconced with a loving Northern African family who paid handsomely for the privilege of having a gorgeous blue eyed blond child in their midst. To escape the pressure this family recently escaped for a holiday on their private boat to the small civilized island of Malta where everybody knows everybody. A couple of nights ago because of all the attention, they returned under cover of darkness to their third home in Algeria where they will reside while they work out what to do next.

I do use the word abduction at times which is possibly misleading...but just bears out what the feeling was at that point I guess (ie that she had gone missing) . Also because of the nature of what has happened I had to be vague on some points...I would have been lampooned if I had said what I suspected...though plenty of others have been saying these things (Here and on the Mirror Forum)

I never thought this was a planned abduction...EVERYou make several mentions of Madeleine being "taken" - you use the name Murat quite a bit in conjunction with this. Have you forgotten this?

I was always hugely suspicious of the campaign and aspects of it always struck me as very inapprorpriate...

I talked of a shadowy figure because It was not time to go into the detail of who did this....nor is it really yet time. Yet, when there appeared to be suspects, you were quite happy to name them (Murat)

I am not sure if the truth will ever out re this...and again I did always say that no one would be done for the crime (unless they were framed)

Madeline needs to be found for this to happen..(for the truth to come out) This is possibly true.

But it is possible that the fact she was moved will give enough evidence of what has happened to her...But it could be too late by then (you will have to wait and see what that means ...I can't go into that for legal reasons)

You will remember that I deliberately said for quite a time that I could not tell you who did this but I could tell you who did NOT...ie Murat (I said he was a potential scapegoat and that he and Madeline were the victims in this situation)You claimed he did, then didn't, then did. You shift on your position a lot when new evidence comes to light, Sarah.

I deliberately never went near commenting on the Mc Canns...except a little when I was putting up the Cuddle Cat theoryYou always maintained they were innocent, although perhaps negligent.

I always warned you that the many citings were red herrings and that the looking for Madeline all over the world was absolutely pointless...and hindering her being found rather than helping..it made me very angry at some points I have to say because my over riding feeling has always been that she must simply be FOUND...never mind who did thisYou were very keen on the Dutch tip, is that now a red herring as well, despite you giving it such weight?

I do believe that aspects of the search for Madeline have been a big smoke screenThe police will not release all the details of a case to the press, so it very well may be the case.

I checked with the detective who filed my reports and he said on no account would police divulge information of particular individuals working with them nor what has been said....as I thought it is confidential information...so you will never know directly from the police if psychics are used or not unless they choose to divulge this info for some reason of their own..It is confidential info and as I have said all along...just another kind of evidence. Under the FOI, I can easily ask not for names or exactly what was said, but if they use psychics and if so, is the information useful and has it been used. Big difference. Why are you trying to cover your tracks?

To M Joe B

You obviously havent read this (SKY thread) carefully enough...I never said I worked directly with the PJ

I said I faxed and phoned both the Portimao police and the Leicester police and that I worked with a Dublin detective to file two reports...(one re location and one re something else) and these were sent through the police system to Portugal

Other people would have done such things to help throughout this case...

I am NOT exceptional in having tried to help

This is NOTHING to do with my work re writing astrology columns for newspapers and there is NO connection between Madeline and my other work...I have been trying to HELP find this little girl as have many people

Do I need to explain again why I came onto the internet re this?

I told the police this is what I had done and NO ONE has reprimanded me for it...(except a handful of skeptics)

How do you know it hasn't actually HELPED and that Madeline has been moved as a result of some of the location details on here and that this will be the very reason the perpetrator is caught????

ie) that evidence is now there that wasn't before??? How do you know this is not the case or possible?

God moves in mysterious ways and who are you to judge what I have done?

I have done what I felt was right...what more can any of us do in this life?

If it makes the difference between her being found or not...I will take it....

If it turns out to have been no use whatso ever I will take that too...at least I will have tried...You've already said all this before and been answered. Please try not to repeat yourself too much.

vbloke

14th September 2007, 01:43 PM

It is not egotistical clap trap...it is the truthThe truth as you see it, we are only trying to distinguish truth from fantasy.

I have been trying to help and some of you have tried to discredit me which to be honest is a waste of your time and energy...I am GENUINE re trying to help re MadelineI think you've done enough to discredit yourself with your constant evasions, lies, misrepresentations and changing your story whenever the newspapers printed some new evidence that you picked up on later.

Some of you have left me with no option but to stick up for my reputation ... because if this is anything to do with helping finding Madeline...it is important that I do so See above.

It is not spamming...because one of you would have lifted that stuff off SKY to put on here anyhow as some have done before...I was saving you the troubleit is when you post it on more than one thread at the same time.

Now these really are my last words on the matter ...so I did want them to be on here too....

Goodbye and I wish you all well....Good luck, Sarah, I hope that people can see you for what you really are now.

vbloke

14th September 2007, 01:49 PM

(This discussion has nothing to do with my web site surely but...in case you re interested ...someone has brought psychicsarah.com....so I have to reorganise a mysticsarah.com site now...)Oh, I'd buy the domain before you go around telling people that you're going to set it up - some unscrupulous person might buy it first...

Nils

14th September 2007, 02:18 PM

I'm glad to see sky stuff is still up....

(This discussion has nothing to do with my web site surely but...in case you re interested ...someone has brought psychicsarah.com....so I have to reorganise a mysticsarah.com site now...)

Hmm. That seems odd. A quick Whois check provides the following...

Registration Service Provided By: Irish Domains Ltd
Contact: hostmaster@irishdomains.com

Domain name: SARAHDELAMEREHURDING.COM

Registrant Contact:

Sarah Delamere Hurding (sarahdelamerehurding@hotmail.com)
+353.8722700343530
Fax: , +., +., +.
8 Railway Road
Dalkey
Co.Dublin, Co.Dublin
IE

Administrative Contact:
Irish Domains Ltd
ID Hostmaster (hostmaster@irishdomains.com)
14190630
Fax: 14190639
Waverley Office Park
Old Naas Road
Dublin, D12
IE

Technical Contact:
Irish Domains Ltd
ID Hostmaster (hostmaster@irishdomains.com)
14190630
Fax: 14190639
Waverley Office Park
Old Naas Road
Dublin, D12
IE

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
ns.irishdomains.net
ns2.irishdomains.net

Creation date: 23 Sep 2003 13:21:37
Expiration date: 23 Sep 2009 13:21:37

FarSideOfTheMoon

14th September 2007, 02:23 PM

Maybe she means she is going to sell it to someone else hence it has been taken down.

Let's allow her that possibility as she isn't very good sometimes at explaining things coherently.

IGNORE ME - I thought she was talking about psychicsarah.com. I can't see why anyone would want to buy sarahdelamerehurding.com

Nils

14th September 2007, 02:46 PM

The fact that the original domain name is still registered yet the site has gone would seem to imply that it is no longer useful to have all that stuff up there.

Perhaps the intention was to transfer to PsychicSarah.com to benefit from all the 'publicity' that is being generated. After all, it's better to come in at no 1 on Google on your own new site than be linked to crap predictions and dodgy forum posts revealing naughty fibs.

Lack of foresight :cheesy: in registering the domain name first could have thrown a proverbial spanner in the works. (Although psychicsarah.com seems to registered anonymously, so no telling who really owns it yet).

(Should my theory prove to be incorrect, I reserve the right to retrofit as necessary).

tolman

14th September 2007, 03:08 PM

Some of you have left me with no option but to stick up for my reputation ... because if this is anything to do with helping finding Madeline...it is important that I do so
It's a bit late for that, love, unless you can find a way to delete the Internet.

filippo lippi

14th September 2007, 03:35 PM

Can I ask why pages 8 to 46 of this thread are missing JOhn???

They aren't missing, they just don't appear in the shortcut links at the top and the bottom of the page.

tolman

14th September 2007, 03:46 PM

I always knew the parents were culpable (though one would say this simply from the fact the kids had been left alone)
You didn't 'always know' they were responsible in any sense other than leaving their child in the apartment. Your original statements were clearly slanted towards an abduction by a third party, and were not directed against the parents at all in terms of actual involvement in a death.

If you look I say that people assumed far too quickly that this was an abduction with a 'dubious' motivation
Whereas you suggested it was an abduction for non-pedophile reasons, yet one which you reckoned had led to a death

I say (on page one and two of this thread) that it is all closer to home than people realise and that it was some kind of accident...that there is an emotional element re stress etc...and that she is initially kept somewhere...before being moved.
Looking at your earliest predictions:
The 'kept somewhere' bit was clearly a Murat-oriented prediction (eg. cellar/basement).
Your 'accident' comments seemed likely to be in relation to a Soham scenario - something gets out of hand and deaths result.

Some people have pointed out an apparent discrepancy re distances...I initially said 'not a stones throw'..which refers to where she was first kept
In the first postings (Mirror forum) you initially said 2-4 miles.
The 'not a stone's throw' comment came later, and since it has a very flexible meaning in terms of distances, was basically meaningless.

I do use the word abduction at times which is possibly misleading...but just bears out what the feeling was at that point I guess (ie that she had gone missing).
Feeling?
We all knew she'd gone bleeding missing.

You will remember that I deliberately said for quite a time that I could not tell you who did this but I could tell you who did NOT...ie Murat (I said he was a potential scapegoat and that he and Madeline were the victims in this situation)
I remember you starting off by pointing the finger in his direction.

I am NOT exceptional in having tried to help
So far, it would seem you're not exceptional in having failed to help.

How do you know it hasn't actually HELPED and that Madeline has been moved as a result of some of the location details on here and that this will be the very reason the perpetrator is caught????
ie) that evidence is now there that wasn't before??? How do you know this is not the case or possible?
I thought you said the perpetrator will never be caught?
Thing is, it's up to you to show you've been some use.

I have done what I felt was right...what more can any of us do in this life?
Try and be honest when making claims about our abilities?

Cuddles

14th September 2007, 05:57 PM

Hmm. That seems odd. A quick Whois check provides the following...

IGNORE ME - I thought she was talking about psychicsarah.com. I can't see why anyone would want to buy sarahdelamerehurding.com

In all fairness to Sarah, psychicsarah.com was registered by an anonymous person on the 12th.

Domain name: psychicsarah.com

Administrative Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent (tmhdfyxlj@whoisprivacyprotect.com)

...snip...

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
dns1.name-services.com
dns2.name-services.com
dns3.name-services.com
dns4.name-services.com
dns5.name-services.com

Creation date: 12 Sep 2007 13:29:00
Expiration date: 10 Sep 2008 02:13:00

I suspect this is one of the people who go around buying recently expired domain names so that people who accidentally let them lapse have to buy them back. This could be one of the few times Sarah has actually told the truth.

FarSideOfTheMoon

14th September 2007, 06:18 PM

In all fairness to Sarah, psychicsarah.com was registered by an anonymous person on the 12th.

I suspect this is one of the people who go around buying recently expired domain names so that people who accidentally let them lapse have to buy them back. This could be one of the few times Sarah has actually told the truth.

I'm still a bit confused though, because I thought psychicsarah.com has been inactive anyway. All the stuff that has been discussed as having been on her site, was on sarahdelamerehurding.com. Or am I still confused?

Scottish_Girl

14th September 2007, 06:23 PM

Hello all and new here.

Been reading through this thread.

Sarah - if you ever do come back (and I think you will, it seems impossible for you to stay away as you obviously thrive on the attention) can you please take note of the following?

In your first post, you state
>>The Mc Cann’s are now making the search for Maddy their life’s work. Gerry Mc Cann has vowed to dedicate the rest of his time on earth to finding his daughter. As her father, this is exactly what you would expect him to say and do. I only hope it does not take that long. The guilt the Mc Cann’s must be feeling is immense; yet I really feel they are barking up the wrong tree. They are under the impression that Maddy has been abducted, and is still alive, waiting to be found or released. I certainly hope and pray this is true, but when Gerry and Kate were interviewed from their hill top villa last week sharing their myriad of ideas of ‘how to keep the profile high’ I found myself almost shouting at the TV...
WHY ARE YOU NOT SCOURING THE HILLS BEHIND YOU?
I know if I were Maddy’s mum I would be doing exactly that. Kate has said herself that she feels closest to Maddy in Portugal. Even though logically speaking Maddy could now be back in the UK, I believe a mother’s instinct is never wrong. I am glad that the Mc Cann’s got to visit The Pope, and the butterfly which fluttered around Kate when she held The Pope’s hand can surely be taken as a sign of hope?<<

Which would indicate you thought the McCanns had nothing to do with the disappearance of their daughter (guilt must be immense, but barking up the wrong tree) and Madeleine was alive. You have often commented on how 'sorry you feel' for the McCanns.

However, in your final post, you state (which you then tried to qualify with your 'if only for leaving them in the apartment alone' comment)...

I always knew the parents were culpable

I see, so now that the McCanns have been publicly implicated by admittedly spurious DNA evidence, you suddenly 'knew' they were to blame?

I don't think you have ever tried to 'help' Madeleine, or the McCanns.

I also think you are SarahFan......... (the constant 'dot dot dot's gave you away)........... and IMO you fit into the category of internet narcissist, where false identities are the norm and even chatting to, disagreeing with and defending yourself seems normal to you. (As Sarah Fan, you started with a negative, re the Dutch 'kids look the same' comment, as you anticipated we might think you were the same person, and were trying to pursuade readers you were not.)

Your ultimate aim it seems, is to be in the instantly gratifying (for you) centre of this sad situation, as the constant attention and almost 'celebrity' status feeds and sustains your grandiose fantasies and inflated self-image.

tolman

14th September 2007, 06:47 PM

I suspect this is one of the people who go around buying recently expired domain names so that people who accidentally let them lapse have to buy them back.
If so, what a good buy they made.
After the efforts of you-know-who, can you see 'psychicsarah' being a name carrying much goodwill value?

This could be one of the few times Sarah has actually told the truth.
It *could* have been, except that she rather seemed to be suggesting the loss of psychicsarah.com as some kind of excuse for the lack of content on sarahdelamerehurding.com , unless she just didn't comprehend what everyone had been talking about.

Julia

14th September 2007, 07:49 PM

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Sarah. Her latest effusions have left me in no doubt that she needs psychiatric help.

psychicsarah

15th September 2007, 02:15 PM

Because I called you a loser Julia I need psychiatric help?

NONSENSE...I would suggest that YOU perhaps do. At least you need to find more of a life from somewhere. Why was it SO important to you to write to my various universities to see if I have been telling the truth about my academic qualifications?...You have been trailing around the internet trying to discredit me and it just won't work I am sorry. That is just SAD ...

As I said I feel sorry for you...I apologise for calling you a loser; but I do think you need to get a life. You have been very bitchy towards me....I forgive you...God bless you too!!!

I find it ridiculous that you all think I am lying about everything...Far side of the moon has it about right...I do not always explain myself clearly enough for your literal minds..THAT is the problem NOT that I am a liar...cos I am NOT

No scottish girl i am NOT Sarah's fan and your moderator will be able to verify that.

No I do not thrive on this kind of attention....I return sometimes to try to keep things in balance and to defend myself against certain allegations which I actually think reflect really badly on certain people on here who should know better....allegedly intelligent people...

NO I didn't buy psychicsarah.com this time...some anonymous company seems to have done (I have already reserved mysticsarah.com v bloke..hard luck)

The info on sarahdelamerehurding.com is exactly the same... it is just that the two were linked

The police are the only people (plus various members of the media) who would be able to verify that I havent been retrofitting in this Madeline case...

I have been trying to help her

I do not think she has been dumped out at sea as today's papers seem to be suggesting

Good bye..finally

psychicsarah

15th September 2007, 02:17 PM

Thanks F Lippi!!!

bindeweede

15th September 2007, 02:56 PM

tolman

16th September 2007, 08:09 PM

I find it ridiculous that you all think I am lying about everything...Far side of the moon has it about right...I do not always explain myself clearly enough for your literal minds..THAT is the problem NOT that I am a liar...cos I am NOT
I wouldn't say you're lying about everything, just that it's clear to everyone but you that you're no stranger to telling self-serving untruths about quite a few things.
I reckon that if, deep down, you truly thought you had a defensible case, you'd actually try to tackle the specific and crystal-clear points where you've been shown to say untrue things.
You demonstrably don't do that.
That's why no-one in their right mind trusts you.

Julia

16th September 2007, 09:45 PM

No one has accused you of lying about everything. I'm quite prepared to believe that your real name is indeed Sarah Delamere Hurding (although I can't help but notice the anagram "Uh...her grand lies are mad"). ;D

You have lied about editing and deleting posts in an attempt to cover up your most embarrassing mistakes, taking a UK-Skeptics "test" of your lottery-predicting skills, retrofitting, contradicting yourself...just re-read the relevant threads to find glaring examples of this. Wait - what am I saying? It's the fact that you seem unable to see this mountain of evidence that suggests to me that you have serious problems in dealing with reality.

And at the end of the day, Sarah, it was YOU who posted your nonsense on a sceptical website. You are a very, very minor player on the psychic scene - had you confined yourself to woo sites, Sky News and the Mirror you would probably have escaped our notice altogether. Thanks to your somewhat surprising lack of forethought in attempting to link your name with the McCann case, you have been torn to shreds on Britain's two leading sceptical sites (the other being BadPsychics). You brought it all on YOURSELF, Sarah. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. The internet is crammed with credophiles who can't get enough of your claptrap - I suggest you play to that audience in future.

tolman

16th September 2007, 10:28 PM

bindeweede

16th September 2007, 10:36 PM

It seems to me that Sarah had people on both the Mirror and Sky forums questioning her skills, and certainly at least on the Sky forum, questioning her truthfulness with plentiful examples of her own contradictions, and she wiped much of what she wrote on both.

Surely her credibility must be approaching zero. She has posted so much here and elsewhere - searches on Google or other search-engines will reveal her incompetence as a psychic.

tolman

16th September 2007, 10:52 PM

NO I didn't buy psychicsarah.com this time...some anonymous company seems to have done (I have already reserved mysticsarah.com v bloke..hard luck)
You don't get away from a bad reputation by changing domain names.

The police are the only people (plus various members of the media) who would be able to verify that I havent been retrofitting in this Madeline case...
It's evident from what you've said and what you've later tried to claim you said or claim you meant that you do retrofit, as well as change your story to try and match media developments.
We've seen you do it.
We've provided examples of you doing it.

All any individual could do is say what predictions you gave them.
For all anyone knows, you could have given different police people different predictions, and then choose which ones to disclose as events unfold, in a variant of the classic betting or share prediction scam.
Coming from someone like you, it would be valueless to say after everything has come out "I told officer X various things" and get then to confirm that unless people also know everyone else you told things to, and can find out what you told them.
Also, any predictions that were just educated guesses, or vague enough to apply to many outcomes would be worth little or nothing even if you'd made them consistently.

vbloke

17th September 2007, 10:32 AM

Because I called you a loser Julia I need psychiatric help?No, because you appear to have a fantasy prone personality, coupled with a need to be seen and listened to, despite that lack of evidence.

NONSENSE...I would suggest that YOU perhaps do. At least you need to find more of a life from somewhere. Why was it SO important to you to write to my various universities to see if I have been telling the truth about my academic qualifications?...You have been trailing around the internet trying to discredit me and it just won't work I am sorry. That is just SAD ...Given that you have been shown to misrepresent the truth on several occasions, we can be forgiven for fact checking your background.

As I said I feel sorry for you...I apologise for calling you a loser; but I do think you need to get a life. You have been very bitchy towards me....I forgive you...God bless you too!!!We're not the ones claiming to see visions and images in dreams, Sarah - we're not the ones claiming that god works through us. Why would you think that we need help?

I find it ridiculous that you all think I am lying about everything...Far side of the moon has it about right...I do not always explain myself clearly enough for your literal minds..THAT is the problem NOT that I am a liar...cos I am NOTWe never said you lied about everything, just the things you have been claiming here and on the Sky forums. Again, because you have a track record of misrepresenting things, we felt obliged to fact check your other claims.

Sarah, I'm sorry to say that being caught claiming you'd passed a test when no such test had been carried out and continuing to do so, despite it being pointed out to you by several people is a deliberate lie.

No scottish girl i am NOT Sarah's fan and your moderator will be able to verify that. As John said, psychicsarahfan logged in via an anonymising proxy, meaning that they can't be traced.

No I do not thrive on this kind of attention....I return sometimes to try to keep things in balance and to defend myself against certain allegations which I actually think reflect really badly on certain people on here who should know better....allegedly intelligent people...Yet you publish the exact same posts on several forums, at the same time linking them to your site - that is attention seeking and a way of linking your name to that of Madeleine McCann in search engines. Sadly, with the attention you've been getting, that has rather backfired on you.

NO I didn't buy psychicsarah.com this time...some anonymous company seems to have done (I have already reserved mysticsarah.com v bloke..hard luck)That happens regularly - if you don't renew in time, it gets bought out from under you and you have to pay over the odds to get it back.

I wasn't going to buy your domain Sarah - I'm not that sad. I was merely pointing out that publishing the name of a domain you hadn't yet bought might be bad, as one of these companies might see it and beat you to it.

The info on sarahdelamerehurding.com is exactly the same... it is just that the two were linkedYou should be able to rescue the site, just transfer it to a new server with a new domain name.

The police are the only people (plus various members of the media) who would be able to verify that I havent been retrofitting in this Madeline case...Hence our FOI requests to the police forces involved. We'll see what you've been telling them, what they did with the information and what use it was to them.

I have been trying to help her Again, how does posting on multiple forums help Madeleine?

I do not think she has been dumped out at sea as today's papers seem to be suggesting

Good bye..finallyThat would just be too obvious, even for you and your track record of divining information that is in the newspaper headlines of the day - you would be bound to be caught out doing it again.

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 10:35 AM

I haven't deliberately changed my domain name...someone swiped it on me...you have the evidence on here for what has happened re that

I haven't lied about ANYTHING....at all actually....

You have double checked everything I have said apparently (even my academic qualifictaions) and have found nothing to incriminate me...

Okay you may not agree with what I have done re Madeline but I have done it with a caring and empathetic motivation...which most definitely does NOT mean I have NPD as someone earlier outrageously suggested...

re LOTTO...

I DID do that demonstration on line re the lotto...the numbers 9 11 and 19 came up 20 minutes later in the draw I mentioned...

I KNOW it doesn't fit skeptic protocol..but the reality is that DID happen...you have the evidence for that on here

(earlier on the lotto thread DR B asked me to dazzle you with an online lotto demonstration...Page 6 or so I think...I did this...)

------------------------------------

latest re Madeline...

Quote from previous article (sarah)

Surely this should have seen the beginning of a massive search in the area…I feel strongly that they need to keep searching the mountainous region North of Pereira De Luz and I am particularly drawn to the road to Pereira which leads in a westerly direction off the northerly road to Monchique.

--------------------

I was a bit freaked out to see in the papers yesterday about the pet incinerators business run by a Dutch Man on this road (mentioned above) to Monchique...

It is called 'Creon? Star light.... '

(The skeptics will say this is retrofitting I do admit...But none the less it sends chills down my spine...)

Because of the name STARLIGHT in the title (remember...One of the KEY clues was that the STAR would lead to the child)

This has the link with Cats and Dogs (remember I said Cats and Dogs would sort this out) ..

and the fact it is run by a Dutch guy... (ie the Dutch link with this has always been strong)

Was this where she was moved to?

Also I said that Virgo Time would be when all sorts of things come out of the woodwork on this....this is what has been happening....

I usually get a strong sense when something is a red herring...and I don't so much with this

I could be wrong...But I do NOT feel she is out at sea....and when you think logically that is a strong possibility...psychically though I just don't pick that up

Nor do I pick up that she was drugged by her parents...

Nor do I pick up that they are swingers...how ridiculous is that?

I DO pick up that Cuddle Cat is important...but NOT because of DNA evidence

They do NOT have enough DNA evidence to convict anyone...I always said this.....there will NOT be a court case on this matter.....

I suspect that Jane Tanner and her partner may well be named Arguidos in the next couple of weeks (this of course...as with everyone else does NOT mean they are guilty) . It is just that technically Jane's partner could have been CONSTRUED to be the last person to see Madeline alive. This is why she 'imagined' the sighting of the man carrying a child away... (a kind of selective possibility if you like...If there was a man carrying a child it was NOT a man carrying Madeline...but I don't think there was such a man)

This does NOT mean Jane Tanner and her partner are guilty though...

BUT NO one broke into the apartment...whoever did this walked in through the Patio doors...which were ALWAYS open.

vbloke

17th September 2007, 10:50 AM

I haven't deliberately changed my domain name...someone swiped it on me...you have the evidence on here for what has happened re thatYes we do.

I haven't lied about ANYTHING....at all actually....That in itself is a lie, Sarah. you have been caught out several times and you still refuse to admit it.

You have double checked everything I have said apparently (even my academic qualifictaions) and have found nothing to incriminate me...Apart from your woeful lack of understanding what a lie is.

Okay you may not agree with what I have done re Madeline but I have done it with a caring and empathetic motivation...which most definitely does NOT mean I have NPD as someone earlier outrageously suggested...And an eye to getting your name associated with hers.

re LOTTO...

I DID do that demonstration on line re the lotto...the numbers 9 11 and 19 came up 20 minutes later in the draw I mentioned...LIE.

I KNOW it doesn't fit skeptic protocol..but the reality is that DID happen...you have the evidence for that on here

(earlier on the lotto thread DR B asked me to dazzle you with an online lotto demonstration...Page 6 or so I think...I did this...)LIE.

latest re Madeline...

Quote from previous article (sarah)

Surely this should have seen the beginning of a massive search in the area…I feel strongly that they need to keep searching the mountainous region North of Pereira De Luz and I am particularly drawn to the road to Pereira which leads in a westerly direction off the northerly road to Monchique. Why? What is there, where is it and what will searching this area reveal?

I was a bit freaked out to see in the papers yesterday about the pet incinerators business run by a Dutch Man on this road (mentioned above) to Monchique...

It is called 'Creon? Star light.... '

(The skeptics will say this is retrofitting I do admit...But none the less it sends chills down my spine...)Odd that none of your posts on this topic reveal the word "star" or "star light" then, isn't it?

Because of the name STARLIGHT in the title (remember...One of the KEY clues was that the STAR would lead to the child)

This has the link with Cats and Dogs (remember I said Cats and Dogs would sort this out) ..

and the fact it is run by a Dutch guy... (ie the Dutch link with this has always been strong)

Was this where she was moved to? Neither does a search of your posts show much about cats or dogs (apart from Cuddle Cat).

Also I said that Virgo Time would be when all sorts of things come out of the woodwork on this....this is what has been happening....

I usually get a strong sense when something is a red herring...and I don't so much with this Did you miss where I explained that your star sign information is woefully wrong, Sarah? It isn't Virgo time at all.

I could be wrong...But I do NOT feel she is out at sea....and when you think logically that is a strong possibility...psychically though I just don't pick that up

Nor do I pick up that she was drugged by her parents...

Nor do I pick up that they are swingers...how ridiculous is that?

I DO pick up that Cuddle Cat is important...but NOT because of DNA evidence

They do NOT have enough DNA evidence to convict anyone...I always said this.....there will NOT be a court case on this matter.....

I suspect that Jane Tanner and her partner may well be named Arguidos in the next couple of weeks (this of course...as with everyone else does NOT mean they are guilty) . It is just that technically Jane's partner could have been CONSTRUED to be the last person to see Madeline alive. This is why she 'imagined' the sighting of the man carrying a child away... (a kind of selective possibility if you like...If there was a man carrying a child it was NOT a man carrying Madeline...but I don't think there was such a man)

This does NOT mean Jane Tanner and her partner are guilty though...

BUT NO one broke into the apartment...whoever did this walked in through the Patio doors...which were ALWAYS open.Let's wait and see shall we?

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:10 AM

YOu have not been following SKY closely enough V Bloke

Back on 17th July I wrote the following...

what I find really odd are these two comments below....they read to me like they are very contrived...

quote

He (Gerry) starts by saying he first checked the children at 9.05. When he entered the apartment, he just thought it was starnge that the bedroom door was partly open. But he checked the window, which was closed, just like the shutters, and relaxed.

His friend Jane Tanner, Russell’s wife, says that ten minutes after he returned to the table, it was her turn to check the rooms. She crossed ways with a dark haired man who was walking in the opposite direction carrying a child, but she didn’t find it strange. But she memorized the individual from head to toes, so she could later describe him in great detail.

I picked up psychically that Maddy was taken at 9.10....(was the person in the apartment when Gerry checked.?)..

I actually feel he did not check at all at that time at all ...and it is nonsense that 10 minutes after he was back that Jane Tanner then went to check..I am sure .they did NOT check this regularly on the kids...

What I suspect is that Jane Tanner went to check....but only put her head inside the door of the apartment and on hearing nothing came back...(if she checked at all...in other words in a way she did NOT check at all...I do not believe she clapped eyes on the kids at all...if she had she would have seen Maddy was gone....I strongly pick up she was taken at 9.10pm)

I bet that Gerry did not go at that time of 9 05 he said...I suspect they were checked for the first (and only) time at quarter to 9 (if then) ...then Kate found her gone at 10pm

I actually think the first time they were checked properly was when Kate went up at 10pm

I do not believe that Gerry and Jane checked within 10 minutes of each other...

Jane's comment makes no sense because Maddy wasn't discovered missing until Kate went up to the depratment at 10 to collect something

IN which case Jane must be having a severe memory lapse...other wise she would have found Maddy gone sooner than 10

I strongly suspect that Jane may NOT have seen a man carrying Maddy at all.... or that if she did ...her statement of saying she checked him out very carefully is a complete lie...if she were THAT suspicious of him...she would have challenged him

I do not trust this evidence from Gerry and Jane...but it doesn't mean either of them did it...it simply shows their possible lack of memory on this matter .....

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:12 AM

The info re THE STAR leading to the child' is also there...will find the link... (around pages 55 on SKY I think)

It is just when the SKY computer crashed when that 'STAR' stuff was being discussed...

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:14 AM

Quote

have a new clue re Sheep....and Shining Star....like the Star of Bethlehem..which will lead us to Maddy...

Can you find parts in land that support sheep farming? ...I feel this is unusual in such remote land...so that should also narrow it down

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it is page 51

and there is more thereafter about the STAR leading to the baby during VIRGO Time (Of the Tropical astrology system...ie Christmas Time acooriding to Tropical astrologers ie VIRGO Time ie NOW! )

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=51&NumItems=10 (https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=51&NumItems=10)

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:20 AM

QUOTE

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=54&NumItems=10 (https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=54&NumItems=10)

The main gist is that the dutch tip off is not a hoax...

I believe there would be sheep rather than goats nearby too...because of the Star of Bethlehem (the shephards in the hills)

The clue is that the Star Of Bethlehem will lead us to her...

(Star Of Bethehem is also a flower known as Dog's Onion... )

vbloke

17th September 2007, 11:23 AM

YOu have not been following SKY closely enough V Bloke And yet you accuse us of stalking you...

Back on 17th July I wrote the following...

what I find really odd are these two comments below....they read to me like they are very contrived... Or you just read them like that, I read them as rambling.

quote

He (Gerry) starts by saying he first checked the children at 9.05. When he entered the apartment, he just thought it was starnge that the bedroom door was partly open. But he checked the window, which was closed, just like the shutters, and relaxed.

His friend Jane Tanner, Russell’s wife, says that ten minutes after he returned to the table, it was her turn to check the rooms. She crossed ways with a dark haired man who was walking in the opposite direction carrying a child, but she didn’t find it strange. But she memorized the individual from head to toes, so she could later describe him in great detail.

I picked up psychically that Maddy was taken at 9.10....(was the person in the apartment when Gerry checked.?)..

I actually feel he did not check at all at that time at all ...and it is nonsense that 10 minutes after he was back that Jane Tanner then went to check..I am sure .they did NOT check this regularly on the kids...

What I suspect is that Jane Tanner went to check....but only put her head inside the door of the apartment and on hearing nothing came back...(if she checked at all...in other words in a way she did NOT check at all...I do not believe she clapped eyes on the kids at all...if she had she would have seen Maddy was gone....I strongly pick up she was taken at 9.10pm)

I bet that Gerry did not go at that time of 9 05 he said...I suspect they were checked for the first (and only) time at quarter to 9 (if then) ...then Kate found her gone at 10pm

I actually think the first time they were checked properly was when Kate went up at 10pm

I do not believe that Gerry and Jane checked within 10 minutes of each other...

Jane's comment makes no sense because Maddy wasn't discovered missing until Kate went up to the depratment at 10 to collect something

IN which case Jane must be having a severe memory lapse...other wise she would have found Maddy gone sooner than 10

I strongly suspect that Jane may NOT have seen a man carrying Maddy at all.... or that if she did ...her statement of saying she checked him out very carefully is a complete lie...if she were THAT suspicious of him...she would have challenged him

I do not trust this evidence from Gerry and Jane...but it doesn't mean either of them did it...it simply shows their possible lack of memory on this matter .....So, according to this, she was abducted "Maddie was taken" and yet, also according to you she wasn't. make your mind up, Sarah.

The info re THE STAR leading to the child' is also there...will find the link... (around pages 55 on SKY I think)

It is just when the SKY computer crashed when that 'STAR' stuff was being discussed...Fitting the star of Bethlehem and flowers shaped like stars does in no way fit with the name of a business or star light, as you claim, That is some damn fine retrofitting (a bit like your pear tree one a few days ago)

Quote

have a new clue re Sheep....and Shining Star....like the Star of Bethlehem..which will lead us to Maddy...

Can you find parts in land that support sheep farming? ...I feel this is unusual in such remote land...so that should also narrow it down

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it is page 51

and there is more thereafter about the STAR leading to the baby during VIRGO Time (Of the Tropical astrology system...ie Christmas Time acooriding to Tropical astrologers ie VIRGO Time ie NOW! )

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=51&NumItems=10Sarah, as I have repeatedly told you, and any star chart will confirm, it is not Virgo time now. Your astrological charts are 2,500 years out of date.

Dr B

17th September 2007, 11:24 AM

(earlier on the lotto thread DR B asked me to dazzle you with an online lotto demonstration...Page 6 or so I think...I did this...)

That is simply not true. I asked you to take part in a test on the UK lottery. You have not done this and we have not agreed on any specific lottery at all. You avoided it. Please don't recruit me, or my comments into your delusional fantasies.

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:24 AM

As you say....let us just now

'Wait and see'....

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:28 AM

vbloke

17th September 2007, 11:29 AM

As you say....let us just now

'Wait and see'....Indeed. I can't wait to see how you'll try and make your claims fit the facts later on.

By the way, how's your 130 day prediction coming on? Will it be more accurate than your "2 to 3 weeks" one? Or your "84 days" one?

vbloke

17th September 2007, 11:32 AM

http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1153&page=3

on pages 2 and 3 of the Lotto thread Dr B you are challenging me for Lotto numbers 'before I go..'.

have I caught you out...surely not!!!

;)No you haven't. You worked for a while on a protocol and then refused to participate further. You'd already provided the numbers and been shown how you'd lied about the specifics of the draw and lottery and even the timescale that they'd come up in. Hardly convincing stuff, Sarah.

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by psychicsarah http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=17347#post17347)
re LOTTO...

I DID do that demonstration on line re the lotto...the numbers 9 11 and 19 came up 20 minutes later in the draw I mentioned...

LIE.

NOT A LIE

Quote:
Originally Posted by psychicsarah http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=17347#post17347)
I KNOW it doesn't fit skeptic protocol..but the reality is that DID happen...you have the evidence for that on here

(earlier on the lotto thread DR B asked me to dazzle you with an online lotto demonstration...Page 6 or so I think...I did this...)

LIE.

NOT A LIE

on page 2 and 3 you are once again challenging me for numbers on line...

why when I just did it and it does not satisfy protocol anyway?

NB

I refused to take the matter of finding a protocol further when some people started diagnosing me with personality disorders, calling me a liar and continued stating that I must be delusional and in need of help...

so ON PRINCIPLE I will NOT work with you to find a protocol

I came on here voluntarily and was open and willing to see if we could find a protocol re testing...that is no longer the case...

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As for getting my name linked with Madeline?...that is a nonsense...I am simply trying to help find her...YOU lot are really the only people linking me with her and I DON'T LIKE IT....

OVER AND OUT

Dr B

17th September 2007, 11:37 AM

http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1153&page=3

on pages 2 and 3 of the Lotto thread Dr B you are challenging me for Lotto numbers 'before I go..'.

ie you are still challenging me on line to do the same thing I just did at that point....which would not have satisfied protocol either....

;)

Not true.

You were encouraged to engage with Jocky on a protocol that revolved around the lottery. I did ask you at one point to predict the upcoming saturday lottery (UK) - which - unless I missed it - you still have not done.

Just work with Jocky or go away. btw - do stop including me in your delusions.

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 11:41 AM

vbloke

17th September 2007, 11:51 AM

NO I did NOT lie about the specifics of the draw...

I very clearly said 9 11 and 19 in the 49 s Irish in house Lotto draw...at 12 29

These numbers came up 20 minutes later in that very draw 12 50

This HAPPENED and you have the record of that on here...

I KNOW it doesn't fit protocol...I never said that it did....
You said
Oh and recently in Ireland I said on the radio that 19 20 and 21 woud hit in the bookies in their 49's draw and if you had 10 euro on it you would win 3k...this happened within a week to 10 days

(similarly 9 11 and 19 are now cooking up...place your bets!) Which says that you predicted 3 numbers in the 49's draw on Irish radio. You then went on to say that there are 3 more numbers "cooking up". There was no mention of a specific lottery, a date or a time of the draw. As a prediction, it is useless. Especially as you had been predicting those same numbers since June (as was demonstrated to you via linking to another forum where you said those exact numbers on June 21st.)

There fore, your claim that
NO I did NOT lie about the specifics of the draw...

I very clearly said 9 11 and 19 in the 49 s Irish in house Lotto draw...at 12 29 is a lie. How much clearer do you want it to be?

Sarah Delamere Hurding, you are a liar.

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 12:10 PM

FarSideOfTheMoon

17th September 2007, 12:15 PM

I can't be doing with this nit picking it is ridiclous...

There's a good reason of course why you don't like nit picking of your posts.

The 130 day prediction was bang on...I said that the Mc canns would stay in POrtugal a MAX of 130 days (seee SKY)

They left on the 129 th day...

over and out

Hmm, I don't think you were as specific as that, you said something would happen. And anyway it was common knowledge about that time that their lease was running out and probably intended returning to Britain.

Why do you keep making things up like this? It's embarassing to watch.

tolman

17th September 2007, 12:27 PM

I haven't lied about ANYTHING....at all actually....
Sarah, it's clear that the only way you can defend a claim of 'not lying' is by claiming diminished responsibility. I reckon you'd have a good chance of pulling that off.

This has the link with Cats and Dogs (remember I said Cats and Dogs would sort this out) ..
I remember you talking specifically about Cuddle cat, and reckoning (like countless other people) that sniffer dogs might help, and then mentioning cats and dogs.
Still, it's always a good bet for psychics to generalise from specific cats and dogs to generic cats and dogs, since then if a shepherd's dog finds a body, or a clue turns up near a cattery, you can claim credit, yet if the specific original cats or dogs turn out to be important, no-one could easily accuse you of only talking of generic cats or dogs.
Good ploy!

Was this where she was moved to?
You tell us. You're the one claiming to be gifted.

vbloke

17th September 2007, 12:29 PM

I am NOT a liar...I DID put those numbers up...as I said the evidence is on here on the lotto thread...

I KNOW it didn't pass skeptical protocol...I don't care about that

The reality is I did put those numbers up for that specific draw...and they came up 20 minutes later

Perhaps YOU can not see or read?

I can't be doing with this nit picking it is ridiclous...

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The 130 day prediction was bang on...I said that the Mc canns would stay in POrtugal a MAX of 130 days (seee SKY)

They left on the 129 th day...

over and outYes, you put those numbers up. Numbers which you'd been predicting since at least June 21st.

You did not specify a specific draw or a specific time. It is even debatable if you specified the specific lottery. Your claims otherwise are simply not true. This has been pointed out to you time and again.

"significant" is not "bang on"
and last week I got that 130 days is highly sginificant re this case

tolman

17th September 2007, 12:31 PM

I am NOT a liar...I DID put those numbers up...as I said the evidence is on here on the lotto thread...
Sarah,
As you seem to be mainly focussed on Madeleine, would you care to address any of the long list of occasions I provided where you said things about your predictions which were simply not true?

FarSideOfTheMoon

17th September 2007, 12:39 PM

Still, it's always a good bet for psychics to generalise from specific cats and dogs to generic cats and dogs, since then if a shepherd's dog finds a body, or a clue turns up near a cattery, you can claim credit, yet if the specific original cats or dogs turn out to be important, no-one could easily accuse you of only talking of generic cats or dogs.
Good ploy!

You tell us. You're the one claiming to be gifted.

Remember though, she has claimed she isn't psychic. But she still posts psychic predictions.

I'm still thoroughly confused as to what her gift is supposed to be.

And how does her healing work, is it a gift from God? Is God behind the messages about Madeleine? If so, He is making a bit of a hash of it.

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 12:41 PM

FarSideOfTheMoon

17th September 2007, 12:46 PM

re 130 days still trying to find the link where I relate it to the parents leaving...but it is copy and pasted in part on page 108 sky

quote

I have told you I don't know when she will be found....but that this whole thing will build to a crescendo during Virgo Time and that the max time frame of 130 days is very important...

What is your definition of important?

So you think it has built to a crescendo already and is just dying down now?

So any development after 130 days is unimportant?

You are not very convincing.

vbloke

17th September 2007, 12:47 PM

re 130 days still trying to find the link where I relate it to the parents leaving...but it is copy and pasted in part on page 108 sky

quote

I have told you I don't know when she will be found....but that this whole thing will build to a crescendo during Virgo Time and that the max time frame of 130 days is very important...According to my star charts, Virgo is September 17th to October 30th. I assume you're referring to the incorrect timings of August 23rd to September 23rd?

Matt

17th September 2007, 12:48 PM

No scottish girl i am NOT Sarah's fan and your moderator will be able to verify that.

No he won't. John has already spoken on Sarah's Fan. It appears your fan posts via an anonymizing relay. Curious.

NO I didn't buy psychicsarah.com this time...some anonymous company seems to have done (I have already reserved mysticsarah.com v bloke..hard luck)

Sarah, we've all had the opportunity to beat you to the punch on mysticsarah.com. The reason we didn't do it is because nobody want to spend £8 on being so petty

VBLOKE's advice is still good. Do not discuss in the public domain any propsed trademarks or domains you wish to use before securing the rights. At the time VBLOKE suggested you secure the domain it was still available. If his intention was mischeivious he could have acted rather than warning you.

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psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 12:49 PM

vbloke

17th September 2007, 12:50 PM

What is your definition of important?

So you think it has built to a crescendo already and is just dying down now?

So any development after 130 days is unimportant?

You are not very convincing.I doubt it. On Sky, she's just said

Posted by sarahmystic

I did get something re 140 days...does that take us to weds?

Let us hope it is GOOD news

vbloke

17th September 2007, 12:51 PM

V Bloke I told you that I am using the western tropical system as a discipline re astrological timing...so Virgo Time in THAT system

Sarah, you are aware that your astrological system is 2,500 years out of date and that, thanks to precession, the sun is no longer in Virgo during those dates (except between the 17th and 23rd September)?

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 12:53 PM

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 12:57 PM

V bloke...yes i said that....re 140 days ...again another significant development (re Kate I suspect)

on there I have to be careful because some people are very sensitive...and of course I HOPE it is good news...psychically I may not think that it can possiibly be (good news)...but that is just an expression to calm someone. It is NOT a psychic prediction

I know it can not possibly be good news...but we are adults on here (I think)

V Bloke yes I am aware of that re the timings and astronomy as I have told you already...but I am using the timings still used by many re the western astrological system...which has more personal implications re charts etc than is yet possibile via the cideal / Eastern (spelling and correct word ??) system

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 01:00 PM

Have to go....;)

vbloke

17th September 2007, 01:05 PM

V bloke...yes i said that....re 140 days ...again another significant development (re Kate I suspect)So we can add that to the list of other day predictions then? You've got a lot of dates on here that things haven't happened on.

on there I have to be careful because some people are very sensitive...and of course I HOPE it is good news...psychically I may not think that it can possiibly be (good news)...but that is just an expression to calm someone. It is NOT a psychic predictionBut I thought you claimed you weren't psychic? Make your mind up, Sarah.

I know it can not possibly be good news...but we are adults on here (I think)You hope it IS good news, but you know it's not? That's not very comforting.

V Bloke yes I am aware of that re the timings and astronomy as I have told you already...but I am using the timings still used by many re the western astrological system...which has more personal implications re charts etc than is yet possibile via the cideal / Eastern (spelling and correct word ??) systemI assume you're referring to sidereal.

Even so, your charts are wrong. Sun sign astrology uses the charts originally drawn up by Ptolomy over 2,500 years ago. Since then, precession has caused the celestial equator to wobble so as to cause the intersection point between it and the ecliptic to move westward along the ecliptic by 36° or a tenth of the way around.

Your birth sign ignores the effect of precession. What a horoscope calls "Aries" is the 30° segment along the ecliptic that is east of the current location of the vernal equinox - but today, most of it is in Pisces. The next 30° segment (called Taurus in the horoscope) is mostly in Aries. The astrological signs are directions in space that no longer correspond to the constellations that bear their names.
Precession causes the position of the sun on the vernal equinox to move as the earth wobbles on its axis. This means that the names of the zodiac signs that are now wrong.

This all dates to when the sun is within the constellation of your birth sign. According to astrology (corrected for precession - although these dates will vary slightly from year to year), you may find that you're actually a different birth sign.

If you were born between November 30th and December 17th, you're actually an Ophiuchian.

What happens in astrology is that the sun travels through the traditional 12 signs of the zodiac over the course of the year. Whatever sign the sun is in when you're born is the sign you "are". However, over the past 2,600 years (since the charts were drawn up), the precession of the earth has shifted the ecliptic westwards and now the sun visits the constellation of Ophiuchus during November/December. I very much doubt you'll find a horoscope that takes this into account.

Capricorn: January 20th to February 16th
Aquarius: February 17th to March 11th
Pisces: March 12th to April 18th
Aries: April 19th to May 13th
Taurus: May 14th to June 21st
Gemini: June 22nd to July 20th
Cancer: July 21st to August 10th
Leo: August 11th to September 16th
Virgo: September 17th to October 30th
Libra: October 31st to November 23rd
Scorpio: November 24th to November 29th
Ophiuchus: November 30th to December 17th
Sagittarius: December 18th to January 19th

This is basic Western astrology, Sarah. This is how the charts should read, but the astrologers never bothered that their charts were out of date. Astronomers have to update their charts every 50 years to allow for precession, astrologers don't. Makes you wonder which one is the more accurate, doesn't it?

psychicsarah

17th September 2007, 01:10 PM

FarSideOfTheMoon

17th September 2007, 01:17 PM

Quote from sky page 106

I have made it quite clear for some time that I did not know the exact day she wil be found...I have mentioned other timings for other reasons along the way

I think the 130 days links to the max time that Maddy's parents will stay in Portugal and I sincerely hope she is found before they leave...

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It is there on SKY clear as day

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News&P=106&NumItems=10

V Bloke I told you that I am using the western tropical system as a discipline re astrological timing...so Virgo Time in THAT system

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thanks Matt I know that not all of you are petty and nit picky...

Ok, yet another display of your amazing skills....

On Sky message board

Posted by sarahmystic 19 August 07 16:43

I think the 130 days links to the max time that Maddy's parents will stay in Portugal and I sincerely hope she is found before they leave...

In the online Daily Mail dated 20th August, so maybe you were psychic (by one day though ::))

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=476518&in_page_id=1770

While they have extended the lease on their villa in Praia da Luz until mid-September, they are running out of money because both are on unpaid leave from the NHS and have been depending on savings to pay their mortgage and the rent on the villa.

But having a look again, because we know the media reports things after they happen, in This Is London dated 18th August

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23408953-details/Madeleine's%20parents%20prepare%20to%20return%20to %20UK%20for%20the%20sake%20of%20their%20twins/article.do

Madeleine McCann's parents are preparing to make the heartbreaking return to the UK within the next few weeks.
Despite having vowed to remain in Portugal until Madeleine is found, the McCanns are now coming to terms with the reality that they cannot stay abroad with their two-year-old twins indefinitely.
Kate and Gerry McCann have told friends that, for the sake of twins Sean and Amelie, they will return home soon and are close to setting an exact date.

A friend said: "They have to make sure the twins are protected and do everything they can to look after them. That means a stable home life and routine - and they can only do that in the UK.
"At home there is a strong support network with lots of friends and family around to help. They know their home is in Leicestershire and they have happy memories of that home.
"They are getting close to setting a date for coming home."
The couple are renting in a villa while the search carries on but the lease is paid only until the middle of September.
And campaign manager Justine McGuinness, who has overseen their media relations for two months, is leaving her post at the same time.

Sarah, just admit it, you just recycle what is in the media. Unfortunately the internet allows us to go back and see when stories emerged. Again, you have been caught out here. please have some respect, and retract your 130 day claim.

vbloke

17th September 2007, 01:18 PM

There are NO dates I have mentioned when nothing has happened...

and plenty of dates where there has been a lull in this matter; making the dates mentioned more significant not lessWhich dates are these then?

V Bloke...this is about a little girl have you lost sight of that?

I think in a way all this nit pickiness on this matter is way MORE distatsetful than the fact I came onto the internet to try to help work this case out....

Keep an eye on SKY if you are interested....I am NOT going to keep explaining myself...okay?

with respect

Sarah O0This is not about a little girl, Sarah, this is about you - it has always been about you and continues to be about you. The fact that you are using the disappearance of a little girl to further your agenda is the distasteful thing here. You have been rightly called on it and your claims examined and they have all come up wanting.

I note on the Sky forums, the questions you were asked are being asked by someone else:
a) claiming you never said Madeleine had been abducted when that's exactly what you had said

b) claiming you'd predicted '9 and back' before the Dutch letter when there's no evidence you did, and substantial evidence that you didn't

c) claiming you'd been thinking about Joanna from the start, when you seemingly only started mentioning her after her name came up after the Dutch tip

d) claiming Madeleine was buried, then claiming that she wasn't, then claiming those two things were basically the same

e) changing distance predictions on the fly, and sometimes keeping several incompatible distance estimates in the air at once, then claiming any contradictions were only 'apparent' ones

f) claiming you'd always said 'it was all over very quickly' (when the suggestions of an apartment-based death looked good), when that just wasn't what you'd always said

g) claiming you'd always said that there was a 'double event' linking Madeleine and Joanna when you hadn't always said that

h) claiming that you'd basically said 'you didn't know who was involved but it wasn't Murat', despite you originally saying you did have an idea who did it whilst making several clearly Murat-directed hints

i) claiming that from the off the 9 to 15 km prediction was linked to Joanna, when the first time you mentioned it you were linking it to Madeleine

j) the multiple occasions where your use of language to describe your lottery predictions was seriously misleading, and even after the misleadingness had been specifically pointed out, you seemed incapable of acknowledging the comments of shunning being misleading in future

k) when your recollection of the newspaper lottery prediction didn't square with the available information, including the quotes you put up on your own website, you still seemed to follow the line that the quotes weren't correct even though you must have read them when you put them up

Are you going to answer any of these, Sarah, or are you going to continue ignoring them and hope we'll stop asking? We nit pick your claims because you take one or two words from your hundreds posted and say "that's what I claimed" when the link is so tenuous that it strains credibility (cats & dogs, pear trees, star light, etc).

You have attempted to get your name closely associated with that of Madeleine's from day 1 (why else post your website alongside your predictions?) and now, your claims are being closely examined and you are being called to account for it all.

FarSideOfTheMoon

17th September 2007, 01:23 PM

Dr B

17th September 2007, 05:49 PM

NB..D R B...I am not including you....YOU included you...by continuing to ask for numbers on line re that saturday draw (after the 49 s numbers hit) ...I am wondering why ....especially as doing that that does not satisfy protocol quite clearly...It is no big deal...I just noticed that in the thread when I signed in and thought it was a bit contradictory ...never mind...matter dropped

Not true.

You claimed to have done the Irish lottery (which others here contest). I said if you have done it once then do it again for the UK, and you never did.

Then you agreed to work with Jocky and that was it. I dropped out of this nonsense around that point because I decided that you were / are clearly quite ill.

However, I will not stand for misrepresentation - intentional or otherwise. Please do not recruit me in your delusional fantasies - this is your last warning.

Julia

17th September 2007, 06:33 PM

The saga of Psychic Sarah is turning into the Internet's "Groundhog Day".

She makes a claim.

Someone explains to her in simple terms why she is talking nonsense, and why repeating that claim would be a deliberate lie.

So she repeats the claim.

>:-) >:-) >:-)

How long is this going to go on for? SARAH, PLEASE CO-OPERATE IN WORKING OUT A PROTOCOL TO TEST YOUR WONDROUS POWERS. There are people on this site who are still willing to give you a chance. Either do this or just go away and stop digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Julia

17th September 2007, 09:05 PM

Oops! I posted that before I read Matt's response (on the Irish Sceptics board) to your tired old lies about passing a test. I get the impression that he probably won't be wasting any more time and effort on working out a protocol for you.

:liar: :liar:

tolman

17th September 2007, 09:45 PM

re 130 days still trying to find the link where I relate it to the parents leaving...but it is copy and pasted in part on page 108 sky

"I have told you I don't know when she will be found....but that this whole thing will build to a crescendo during Virgo Time and that the max time frame of 130 days is very important...
I recall that within hours of that prediction (that is, long before the parents left) someone on sky effectively said "Hey - good educated guess!"

I'm not surprised that, since all the other days / dates given have now passed, you have now made yet another stab in the dark time of "130 days" and have now attributed it to the McCann's return to UK- AFTER it has been reported in the papers they have only rented their villa for another month.........erm......suspicious....

I also recall pointing that out earlier when you tried to suggest 130 days was some marvellous prediction, but of course you ignored me, since I was doubting your gifts.

tolman

17th September 2007, 09:47 PM

Tolmon please...this is NOT a ploy

The thing re cats and dogs is a very important clue (mentioned on sky re sniffer dogs and cuddle cat previously)

I am explaining that I get the chills about those pet incinerators

I really DO....

If you are going to be nitpicky please stick to the lotto numbers thing

Like heck I will.
I'm happy to concentrate largely on your Madeleine predictions, and your failed predictions and untruths, some of which I listed earlier, and none of which you have responded to like a sane and honest grown-up.

psychicsarah

18th September 2007, 02:51 PM

psychicsarah

18th September 2007, 02:59 PM

Re a protocol...I have always said this is a separate issue to the Madeline case...

I was willing to work with you on this ...but after some of the low comments on here I am not going to entertain it

I hope one day to find a skeptic or two open minded enough to come up with a protocol that suits and honours both sides of the equation

This would involve mutual and professional respect and could only be effective if this was in place.

8)

FarSideOfTheMoon

18th September 2007, 03:12 PM

NO...I did NOT get the 130 day prediction (re The Mc Canns leaving Portugal ) through the media...(they did not know themselves until late Saturday night, early Sunday Morning so how could I have done?)

I proved this was in the news the day before you posted it. If you didn't read it in the media, then you are very good at predictions that match what is being printed in the media.

I suggest that we should test you for a new ability - being able to provide details of what is in the news without reading newspapers or internet news web sites.

I said it on SKY first before it was in the news ....I certainly did not read it...so NO I will not retract ANY of my predictions on Madeline (especially not because they are important)

It just seems convenient that you NEVER read anything that matches your predictions. Some of your recent posts would tend to indicate you have read quite a lot of coverage of this case.

Why don't you just admit what you do?

vbloke

18th September 2007, 03:22 PM

I am NOT going to rise to the bait anymore ....sorry...

Nor am I going to nit pick my way through your points....

Nor am I going to tolerate being threatened, bullied, defamed and hauled over the coals when I am only trying to HELP solve this mystery re Madeline You have not been threatened, bullied or defamed, Sarah. Please provide evidence as to where you've been threatened, bullied or defamed. You've been hauled over the coals, yes, but that's because you lie, edit and delete to cover your tracks and have been caught doing so on many occasions, all documented here for all to see.

NO...I did NOT get the 130 day prediction (re The Mc Canns leaving Portugal ) through the media...(they did not know themselves until late Saturday night, early Sunday Morning so how could I have done?) It was widely over the media that they only had a certain time left on their lease, coupled with a knowledge of how long they'd been their, even a 5 year old would have been right by saying 130 days. it was common knowledge.

I said it on SKY first before it was in the news ....I certainly did not read it...so NO I will not retract ANY of my predictions on Madeline (especially not because they are important) HOW are they important, Sarah? You have not demonstrated how they are important. All you have done is retrofit facts to your claims over and over again and then whined like a child when it has been pointed out to you.

You will have to go and pick on someone else and get your kicks elsewhere

Anyone who thinks I am 'sarah's fan' is seriously deluded...I most definitely am not...

So good luck to you all with your nit picking....You came here, a skeptic's forum to try and convince us of your alleged powers. You set yourself up for the fall, Sarah, much like you did when you confronted the Irish Skeptics - you fell flat on your face and complained about being harassed.

One thing I DO know is that this Madeline Mystery is NEVER now going to be solved...

;)Despite you saying from day one it was going to be? your predictions change so much, Sarah it's hard to keep up with them. Everything you have claimed in the last few weeks bears little or no resemblance to what you originally claimed, so much so, that one would be tempted to think that you have no psychic ability and are making the whole thing up as you go along.

tolman

18th September 2007, 03:51 PM

I am NOT going to rise to the bait anymore ....sorry...

Nor am I going to nit pick my way through your points....
Translation: "I have no way to answer the points which clearly show me to be a frequent stranger to the truth, so I'm going to cover my eyes and pretend they don't exist, in the hope that might somehow impress the odd passing moron."

NO...I did NOT get the 130 day prediction (re The Mc Canns leaving Portugal ) through the media...(they did not know themselves until late Saturday night, early Sunday Morning so how could I have done?)
That's entirely missing the point, as per bleeding usual.
The point is that at the time you made the prediction, information was in the public domain about the McCann's lease, and hints they couldn't stay out there forever. That was commented on within hours of your prediction, in the very thread where you made it.

tolman

18th September 2007, 03:54 PM

It just seems convenient that you NEVER read anything that matches your predictions. Some of your recent posts would tend to indicate you have read quite a lot of coverage of this case.
Maybe she has a special gift that allows her to occasionally work out what's in papers that have already been published without reading them, which in terms of usefulness would put her on a par with Uri Geller's ability to damage cutlery, if it wasn't for the fact that Geller's a fraud.

Matt

18th September 2007, 03:54 PM

I hope one day to find a skeptic or two open minded enough to come up with a protocol that suits and honours both sides of the equation

Is that why protocol negotiations broke down?

I thought I'd bent over backwards to cater for your abilities the way you claimed they manifested themselves but got I only limited feedback from you

In what way did the preliminary protocols I sketched out not honour your side of the equation?

Speaking of honour, how honourable is it when discussing a protocol, to descibe the success of the spotaneously made prediction that inspired a format for such a protocol, as having passed a test?

Be fair Sarah, yes there were some snide comments aimed at you but these didn't come from those of us discussing protcols with you. If anything I did my best to defend you from unfair criticism. This effort I have now stopped since you abused my trust and not only failed to appologise for an honest mistake but demonstrated your contempt by continuing to present the same distortions.

It was suggested that your behaviour precluded any opportunity for testing with the UK Skeptics and I agreed that without an appology and clarification from you my independent testing would be discouraged for similar reasons.

You had a choice. You could have demonstrated your integrity, appologised for lying and had a sympathetic ear who could help develop a test in line with your claimed abilities, perhaps even succeeding in a feat which would by prior arangement silence your critics. Instead you chose or continue with your lies embelishing your small inconclusive demonstrations into passing an online test: claimng that it was a test that I had set.

Now your presenting the choice not to pursue testing as yours. Well I guess that in a way it was. You chose to behave dishonourably after being told that we would not test dishonourable people.

Your psychic ability remains unproven, all that has been proven here is that you are a an exploitative liar.

wooo_oops

18th September 2007, 05:59 PM

She will be found by mid August any how ...I would say in the next 2 to 3 weeks(...)
But I believe Maddy will be found by some one going about their daily business....'happened upon'

Sarah, with respect...can you find it within yourself to admit that you were actually wrong? If you know how wrong you were, can you then understand that this is the reason that so many of us just can't take the claims made by self proclaimed psychics seriously?

I can understand how compelling it must be to share the information which you believe has been psychically communicated to you. However, your information may have more to do with your imagination and personal intuition than psychic ability. We're all capable of this. It's just that 'psychics' seem to be able to lie to themselves about how important they are because of it.
:-\

tolman

18th September 2007, 06:37 PM

Also:

My prediction on the Maddy case is that this will be solved in the next three or four weeks rather than dragging on forever..

fruitfly

18th September 2007, 07:01 PM

Also:

psychicSarah says:

Yes they WILL now find her…this is the correct lead and I just saw the area on sky news …it fits exactly with what I was seeing…
They need to search a 200 to 400 yard radius from where the Police cars are parked…
North is the hotest direction…and a hill of gradient 1 in 5…
The trees and greenery but also dry waste ground (dry and arid ground) are exactly what I saw…

June 14, 2007 at 6:49 am

http://surl.se/eblz

Psychic Sarah at the time of the Dutch 'tip off'.

codger

18th September 2007, 08:52 PM

Wow! I had to register just to comment on this thread. 62 pages of stuff to refute the inane garbage from notverypsychicsarah. "Maddy will be found soon" - "Maddy probably wont be found now" - "The police should search this area" - "The police should search that area" - "Look for a yellow house by an old well" - "I'm just trying to help this poor little girl" - "The Dutch information is significant" etc. (I can't be bothered to read the whole thread again to check the details but you get my drift).

Utter, utter nonsense.

I just have one question for Sarah - by what meaning of the word can you describe what you're doing as help? What good have all these "psychic/intuitive" insights helped in any way shape or form?

OK that's technically two questions but what the hell.

I freely admit I've done nothing to assist in the search for this missing child. Why don't you?

OK so three questions. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Dr B

19th September 2007, 07:54 AM

da...da...da........nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.....;D;D

(btw - welcome....O0)

Cuddles

19th September 2007, 09:14 AM

One thing I DO know is that this Madeline Mystery is NEVER now going to be solved...

Well, it's a good job you were there to give all that psychic help to the police. Without it, they'd never have been able to not solve the case.???

tolman

19th September 2007, 09:23 AM

Well, it's a good job you were there to give all that psychic help to the police. Without it, they'd never have been able to not solve the case.???
For a second I thought you were talking about the Irish missing person case where she also 'helped', with similar success.

Admin

19th September 2007, 10:25 AM

One thing I DO know is that this Madeline Mystery is NEVER now going to be solved...

Isn't that a self-refuting claim when coming from a psychic? ;)

Julia

19th September 2007, 01:00 PM

On the 23rd July Sarah wrote: "She will soon be found..."

On the 30th July she wrote: "I believe she will be found soon..."

Since then those mysterious 84th, 92nd and 96th days since Madeleine was abducted/murdered have passed without anything important coming to light.

Sarah came dangerously close to saying that Murat was the culprit, then hinted that the McCanns may have been "culpable".

She has been responsible for finding an area of "great significance" in Portugal and has also found a piece of evidence so important she's refused to tell us exactly what it is.

Now, in common with practically everyone else, she's come to the conclusion that the mystery will probably never be solved.

In other words, HER "HELP" IN THE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN UTTERLY USELESS.

Could we please, please make this admission the last word in the Psychic Sarah Saga? :-X

Dr B

19th September 2007, 04:03 PM

I vote with Julia on this :wavey::wavey:

Mongrel

19th September 2007, 08:31 PM

da...da...da........nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.....;D;D

(btw - welcome....O0)

Looks like you need a smiley Dr. B :smiley:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/Mongrel01/inq.gif

Dr B

20th September 2007, 04:15 PM

;D;D

Nice one O0

meercat

20th September 2007, 10:13 PM

I
One thing I DO know is that this Madeline Mystery is NEVER now going to be solved...
;)
Or if you read Sarahs comment on BadPsychics at 17:59 on the 19th:

Madeline WILL get justice for what has happenedNothing like edging your bets is there....

siestatime

21st September 2007, 09:11 AM

FarSideOfTheMoon

21st September 2007, 09:43 AM

Talking about hedging your bets, I was listening to the local radio here in Spain, when a woman with "psychic powers" came on and actually came out with the tremendous news that Madeleine was living... living with Jesus. So there you go, mystery solved. Either she´s alive or she isn´t.

Did she specify which Jesus? :smiley: There are probably quite a few people in Iberia with that name. Or did she mention Jesus H Christ by name?

siestatime

22nd September 2007, 09:05 AM

Did she specify which Jesus? :smiley: There are probably quite a few people in Iberia with that name. Or did she mention Jesus H Christ by name?

No, she didn´t, so she hasn´t ruled out my local baker, a friend´s cousin, and countless other Jesuses out there. But the inference was the One and Only, the poster boy for Catholics everywhere.;)

psychicsarah

25th September 2007, 05:40 PM

(J) U....LI....A

A while back you 'analysed' my name ....so above I return the favour (in the spirit of fun rather than bitchiness)

You clearly fell foul of what was an unfortunate projection

Just had to point that out Julia...even though I still wish you well...

---------------------

Quote Matt

Be fair Sarah, yes there were some snide comments aimed at you but these didn't come from those of us discussing protcols with you. If anything I did my best to defend you from unfair criticism. This effort I have now stopped since you abused my trust and not only failed to appologise for an honest mistake but demonstrated your contempt by continuing to present the same distortions.

Matt I thought you and/or someone postulated that I might have NPD?! I most certainly don't...and I think many of the comments on here have been more than snide...They have in fact bordered on bullying and if what some were postulating (Not you Matt) were true...some may even have been irresponsible in laying into someone as SUPPOSEDLY unbalanced as myself...right?

-------------------

The reality IS I have been doing my best with this...I am a human being trying to help work out what has happened to Madeline...

I actually have NOT changed what I have been saying about this...I have simply added to it...

As I said before...just because some of you don't think psychic ability exists; it doesn't mean it doesn't!!!

Bestest wishes

over and out....

O0

Just got this in my in box

Dear Sarah

I read your messages with great interest and I believe that you may be right when you say that the little Madeleine's body is near praia da Luz, where she was last seen. When the PJ searched the Odiaxere area I felt that they were going to find her but, just like yourself, was frustrated that they didn't do a more thorough search. I read in a Portuguese newspaper today, that the State prossecutor has given permission for the police to search for the body again and that is a very urgent matter. I had also heard before that they are going to search the area of North of praia da Luz again. Hope the mistery can be solved very soon for all the ones concerned. I am Portuguese and therefore this has been very much in my thoughts.
Best wishes

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif

psychicsarah

25th September 2007, 05:44 PM

re the 'Madeline will get justice' comment....

There is such a thing as the natural law of justice I believe....

ie) what goes around comes around.

I am not hedging my bets...I have said all along there will not be a court case on this matter....(re anyone being convicted for the murder of Madeline)

The Portuguese Police may attempt however to get the Mc Canns on neglegence of parental duties..for which there is ample evidence

bye bye...

Cuddles

26th September 2007, 09:12 AM

I thought you'd left.

tolman

26th September 2007, 09:49 AM

I am not hedging my bets...I have said all along there will not be a court case on this matter....(re anyone being convicted for the murder of Madeline)
Once again, 'I have said all along' means 'I'm about to make something up'.

At the start you said your prediction was 'the case would be solved' by mid-July.
Most people would consider 'solved' as meaning more than just a location of the child.
Even you seemed to be going along that track, since you said: 'concentrate on finding HER and then it will be more clear who did it and why...', which does rather give the impression that you thought things were going to come to a full conclusion, only to change your prediction later, when it seemed a less-good bet.

Dr B

26th September 2007, 10:26 AM

Sarah

Piss off

{not my most elegant reply...but we all have a bullshit threshold.....:cheesy:}

If you are not going to make a useful contribution to this debate - or any other on this forum then please go away...........

Tin Lizzie

26th September 2007, 11:25 AM

;D;D;D nice one O0

vbloke

26th September 2007, 11:59 AM

Sarah Delamere Hurding,

You have been on these (and other) forums for a while now. It has been pointed out to you many times how your story has changed, evolved and altered according to how the newspaper headlines are printed. Your claims that you don't read these newspapers is belied by the fact that you post your spurious claims on newspaper and news website forums, where the information you claim to be unaware of is there for all to see with only a couple of mouse clicks.

You have been discovered cheating (the "reading" you did for Job on the Sky forums, where the gender "changed" after you found out you were wrong); lying (about your "success" on a UK-Skeptics "test" that never happened) repeatedly on several other forums, even after it had been pointed out to you by myself and others several times that no such test had occurred; editing your posts to make them more favourable once new information had come to light that contradicted your original posts (which you can't do here, so the record is fairly complete); deleting your old posts (when the evidence goes against you, so there's no record of what you actually said), fortunately, on here, you can't so your evasions and story changes are well documented; misrepresenting events that either never happened, or did, but not in the way you describe them happening (again, this has been pointed out to you several times, yet you continue to do so) and finally, retrofitting your old claims in such a tenuous way as to strain the credulity of even some of your believers.

I would go as far to say that you have not only failed to show any hint of psychic ability, both here or elsewhere, but also managed to get your name closely associated with these failures, recorded and archived for anyone to see.

You set out to associate your name with that of Madeleine McCann and you have ended up showing the world how utterly without conscience, morals, ethics and ability you really are, in using a tragic event to generate publicity for yourself.

None of your predictions have borne fruit (despite your desperate retrofitting) and have been shown for the shams they really are - the vague guesswork of a fantasy-prone narcissist.

It would behoove you to retract your claims now, before you become a laughing stock (although I'm sure once this has all blown over and forgotten, you'll be back claiming that you passed our non-existent "test" and claiming that you're really a psychic who "helped solve" the Madeleine McCann case).

Matt

26th September 2007, 01:47 PM

Matt I thought you and/or someone postulated that I might have NPD?! I most certainly don't...and I think many of the comments on here have been more than snide...They have in fact bordered on bullying and if what some were postulating (Not you Matt) were true...some may even have been irresponsible in laying into someone as SUPPOSEDLY unbalanced as myself...right?

Yes, I think it may have been John who first brought the disorder to our attention in this context. The symptoms are certainly not inconsistent with your behaviour. M suggested that we lay off you. I don't know maybe the idea was that you're supposed to humour a madwoman. I considered the possibility that you did indeed have this disorder and looked up the treatment options. Unlike, for example schitzotypal personality disorder, pointing out the divergent nature of the sufferers fantasies is not considered harmful with NPD.

Therefore I saw no harm in continuing to clarify and correct your statements.

So when you say that you pulled out of testing because people were mean to you I must point out that people were mean to you before you were talking about testing, while you were talking about testing and after you were talking about testing. The people with whom you were talking about testing were polite and respectful and perhaps coincidentlay when you announced that you would not be pursuing testing we were discussing pulling out oursleves due to your misleading posts on other forums regarding tests.

When you claimed that you were not a liar I provided references to lies you have told, demonstrating not only that your statements were false but that you knew them to be so at the time of posting. This is especially important where you have lied on other forums.

Sarah we're all doing the best we can to help Madeline. The difference between you and the rest of us, is that we realise that there is nothing we actually can do. You think that posting to forums is of practical use in the search for justice in this case, yet have failed to demonstrate that doing so has in any way helped. You claim to have provided secret information that the police have acted on and challenged us to verify this with the police. When you were informed that approaches to the police had been made you changed your tune and said that the police would not be able to confirm your story.

I sincerly hope that the truth is that you have not wasted police time with your vague and impractical predictions.

Julia

26th September 2007, 08:27 PM

You seem to have a masochistic streak, Sarah. First you flounce off in a diva strop then you're back to subject yourself to MORE bullying and bitchery! Why does the expression "returning like a dog to its vomit" spring to mind? Vbloke summed you up in a single paragraph:

"You set out to associate your name with that of Madeleine McCann and you have ended up showing the world how utterly without conscience, morals, ethics and ability you really are, in using a tragic event to generate publicity for yourself."

I wonder if the people who read your weekly astrology column know just how low you've stooped to further your career?

Tin Lizzie

26th September 2007, 09:09 PM

Where is her weekly column? I think her employers may like to know what she's been getting up to here.

then again maybe they wouldn't. Big bucks & big lies....

Julia

26th September 2007, 09:39 PM

The rag in question is:

http://www.sundayworld.com/

Tin Lizzie

26th September 2007, 09:43 PM

The rag in question is:

http://www.sundayworld.com/

Oh dear...say nay more ;D

I fear to wonder how many people she's given readings to.

random thoughts

26th September 2007, 10:25 PM

Oh and The Irish Independent http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/horoscopes/horoscopes-677641.html which I used to think was an ok paper but stopped buying the more posting I read by Sarah

Tin Lizzie

26th September 2007, 10:42 PM

This lady should wait until she gets results (unsure if she ever will though) before mouthing off.

chillzero

27th September 2007, 11:15 AM

Oh and The Irish Independent http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/horoscopes/horoscopes-677641.html which I used to think was an ok paper but stopped buying the more posting I read by Sarah

I am sure the papers in question would like to know about anything that affects their distribution numbers, and profits. ;)

Elin

27th September 2007, 04:55 PM

I get like 4 newspaper to my home daily, all with some horoscope predictions...i dont read them but i find them kind of innocent, some stuff for amusement. I would not stop buying newspaper because someone writes horoscope in it...
What i really dislike is people using tragedy like Madeleine´s case to upper themselves. - posting their noncense world wide, and nothing , nothing at all of it is right.
And all in the name of justice for Madeleine!!!
Now i read that justice will be served by the nature!
Damn crap.

FarSideOfTheMoon

4th October 2007, 12:52 PM

Remember though, she has claimed she isn't psychic. But she still posts psychic predictions.

I'm still thoroughly confused as to what her gift is supposed to be.

And how does her healing work, is it a gift from God? Is God behind the messages about Madeleine? If so, He is making a bit of a hash of it.

I finally seem to have got an answer to this from a couple of posts she made on the Sky Message Board today.

She believes her messages come from God, and she is receptive to using the Gift He has given her.

Posted by sarahmystic 04 October 07 11:11
Quote:
Quote

sarah do you really beleive its God who sends these messages?

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In my case yes...I have strong faith and trust the messages I get...

Posted by stillsummer 04 October 07 11:14
Quote: Quote

why would he send messages through you?....why would he send messages full stop ?

Posted by sarahmystic 04 October 07 11:17
Quote:
I guess because I am receptive to using the Gift he has given me...

In cases like this where there seem to be no answers and people want to know what is happening ...then The Gift can be used to get info across that perhaps would not other wise be available

The problem is that many people do not listen and do not trust it

Many people do not believe in God anyway...I do though

Mediums like Gordon (and myself) are able to pick up information for loved ones re their relatives who have passed on..(though I deliberately down play this aspect of my work/ability)

Julia

4th October 2007, 02:31 PM

Pass the sick bucket. >:-)

siestatime

4th October 2007, 09:16 PM

Wait a moment - "Mediums like Gordon (and myself)" ? So now psytrick Sarah is oh-so-casually linking herself to Gordon Smith, the same psychic that the McCanns are allegedly consulting? What a coincidence! ;)
(And don´t you just love those oh-too-casual brackets.)

td17_uk

5th October 2007, 07:57 PM

i recently gave a photograph of a young lady to sarah and asked for a reading here is the result (can be viewed on sky news discussions under psychic help in the maddie case.

here are the results:

Sarah:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/td17_uk/

TD re this photo of this girl/woman

I do not pick up anything much around her...except some kind of a 'shock'

A good sense of humour....lots of plans and intentions....but I am not getting any vibe from her re 'a message'

If you have a specific question about her?

TD17_uk:
what are the indications if any of a certain event in the next 2 months saying about sucess or failure?

health issues?

Sarah:
Ok TD

She will be okay...I will do healing for you all...it will be okay

Don't worry...I have the photo which is enough for me to work with (If you would make a donation to a charity of your choice for me please)

Watch for improvements in the next 2 to 3 weeks...

(But you might have to be nice to me now!!! (just kidding))

td17:
really can you tell what the health issues are without being given details?

just for fun do you get a name at all (please just humour my skepticism)

sarah:
well TD this is a public forum...but I pick up that she will be okay...she needs fortifying foods and you need not to worry!

It will be okay...

the picture was one of my girlfriend who died in 2004 but according to sarah she should improve in the next 2-3 weeks but i cant see it happening

bindeweede

5th October 2007, 08:13 PM

I can't believe "Non"psychicSarah has any credibility left. But she will go on, and on, and on, and on.................................

Julia

5th October 2007, 09:07 PM

i recently gave a photograph of a young lady to sarah and asked for a reading here is the result (can be viewed on sky news discussions under psychic help in the maddie case.
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the picture was one of my girlfriend who died in 2004 but according to sarah she should improve in the next 2-3 weeks but i cant see it happening

I'm sorry to hear about your girlfriend but not a bit surprised by Sarah's conveniently all-purpose reading. I trust you enlightened everyone about its accuracy and Sarah's little problem with telling the truth?

td17_uk

5th October 2007, 09:12 PM

lets just say if she returns to the sky news board she has a bigger pair then me LOL

td17_uk

6th October 2007, 02:10 PM

lets just say if she returns to the sky news board she has a bigger pair then me LOL

its official she does have a bigger pair......you should all head over to the sky news dicussion forum and look at the back peddling retrofitting and downright lying that she came out with.

incontinent pants are a must cause you'll laugh so hard you'll pee yourself

vbloke

6th October 2007, 02:39 PM

Might I suggest that every time she makes a new post, that someone quote it exactly?

That way, if she does another round of editing/deleting, there will be a record of what she actually said.

Her evasions, lies, edits and retrofitting are becoming more and more obvious to even the people who once believed in her - she is fast losing credibility amongst the believers.

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 11:36 AM

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 11:42 AM

Quote matt

Sarah we're all doing the best we can to help Madeline. The difference between you and the rest of us, is that we realise that there is nothing we actually can do. You think that posting to forums is of practical use in the search for justice in this case, yet have failed to demonstrate that doing so has in any way helped. You claim to have provided secret information that the police have acted on and challenged us to verify this with the police. When you were informed that approaches to the police had been made you changed your tune and said that the police would not be able to confirm your story.

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Thanks for your explanations Matt...

But I have held on in the belief that perhaps I CAN help find Madeleine and THAT has been my motivation from Day one...

I said the police would not confirm that I had been to them...because I checked with Colm and he said that this is from their point of view private info...it doesn't change the fact that I went to them though

As we see the case is falling apart now ....

Though I do think it will all come out in the wash...ie what has happened re Madeleine

NB
No one has pointed out that I said on SKY that the little girl in the Morrocon photo was NOT maddy AS SOON AS IT came up on line and BEFORE it made the news or the papers...

In the name of science why not?

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bye bye

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 11:45 AM

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Where is her weekly column? I think her employers may like to know what she's been getting up to here.

then again maybe they wouldn't. Big bucks & big lies....

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My employers DO know that I am trying to help find Maddy re this means...as do the police

I haven't earned a penny from trying to help; nor will I accept any money for this

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 11:46 AM

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Oh and The Irish Independent http://www.independent.ie/entertainm...es-677641.html (http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/horoscopes/horoscopes-677641.html) which I used to think was an ok paper but stopped buying the more posting I read by Sarah

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Funny that...many people buy the paper and really enjoy what I write...

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 11:50 AM

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re Gordon...

if you read sky properly ..you will see that I suggested Gordon

I was wondering why the Mc Canns had not consulted a psychic on the matter 2 to 3 days BEFORE it made the papers

It made me think that the Mc Cann PR might be reading the thread...

Either that or it was a PREDICTION...(again a prediction that no one has commented on)

Your research is NOT very thorough; you are glossing over things and only hamming up the APPARENTLY negative...

But then what else would one expect?

Oh and I have been aware that most of the people laying into me on SKY are from this camp....predictable really!!!! (another reason why I haven't been here repeating myself)

Best wishes

The Great Bymble

7th October 2007, 11:55 AM

Hello Psychicsarah,
Just out of interest,did you ever answer the R.C. Primate's attack on all things psychic?If so,could you please post a link ?
Thanks.

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 11:59 AM

ah yes...I will post you up the article I wrote on it on mon or tues....

Apparently the media pulled up this aspect of his address but in Sunday World Father Brien made the point...it was NOT the main point of what The Arch Bish was trying to say in the address...

I think the intention was more a cultural comment on where we are at in the 21st century

Look I actually agree with much of what he said...and it may surprise you to know I actually agree with much of what you lot say too....

(Except in my case I TRUST the info I get...remember I came onto here voluntarily in the first place)

Later....

The Great Bymble

7th October 2007, 12:04 PM

Thanks Sarah,
I look forward to reading it.

psychicsarah

7th October 2007, 12:05 PM

who is 'unsure' on SKY?

They are a nice truly objective and open minded skeptic?

tolman

7th October 2007, 10:02 PM

NB
No one has pointed out that I said on SKY that the little girl in the Morrocon photo was NOT maddy AS SOON AS IT came up on line and BEFORE it made the news or the papers...

In the name of science why not?
Because, as has been pointed out to you on both the Sky and Mirror forums (and repeatedly so on the Sky forum) and possibly earlier on here, it's a very good bet that any single sighting will turn out to be wrong.

Even from the history of past failed sightings in this one case, that's pretty obvious.

From looking at past cases the odds are very strongly against the missing child having been alive even a day after going missing, the odds are necessarily similarly strong against *any* of the sightings an any one case being correct, and necessarily even
more strongly against any particular sighting being true sightings.

Only a 'psychic' of your calibre would consider predicting the very highly likely to be some cause for self-congratulation.

tolman

7th October 2007, 10:27 PM

who is 'unsure' on SKY?

They are a nice truly objective and open minded skeptic?
I'm unsure on Sky.

We're a long way from the nearest terrestrial transmitter, and the Freeview multiplexes are widely spaced, which obviously points towards a high-gain wideband aerial (not the easiest combination of properties). It may just be easier to go for non-subscription satellite, but I'm really in two minds.

siestatime

7th October 2007, 11:17 PM

Nice one.;D

After reading your answer, I´m not only unsure on SKY, I´m also perplexed as to how to get coffee out of the keyboard.

td17_uk

8th October 2007, 01:44 PM

TD..you are showing no respect to your GF's memory

I explained the details to you and invited you to email me privately about the matter...

I am not going to explain on here what the messages meant..I said to you that the internet was NOT the place for what you were asking...

You have not put up what I said re her aura ....(see sky)

and I deleted once you had read my replies to preserve your privacy and your Gf's memory

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You have not put up my explanation that I picked up a 'shock' in relation to your GF and that I wasn't actually getting much from her...(reflecting that she was no longer with us)...

I picked up 2 character traits...good sense of humour and 'lots of plans'

As I said there IS a need for healing in this situation because you need to get on with your life..I said she would guide you to someone new; which she will

and that you need to get out more and eat properly; which you DO

and you need to watch for improvements in th next 2 to 3 weeks

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Beyond that I said all along that there was no point in me reading on a matter that you already knew about...

I was trying to HELP you

YOU have stooped very low....

adieu

your the lowlife not only were you 100% wrong but i did nothing that hundreds of unsuspecting people dont ask psychics to do every year the fact your about as psychic as a sock is not my fault i gave you permission to post anything you had in public in the spirit of openness but you once again felt the need to cover up your lies and as for things aimed at me in respect to my eating and getting out more will how eactly was the 'she needs to' 'she will' be parts of the statements directed at me obviously if they were then your command of the english language is at fault as i never saw any 'you need to' preceeding those statements.

as for picking up she has a sense of humour well in the photo she striking a rather silly pose and has a royle family t-shirt on so not exactly a leap of faith is it, anyone could pick that up just another example of the fake psychics attention to detail trick

just admit it your a fraud go get a real job

tolman

8th October 2007, 02:13 PM

td17, it really is sickening that psycho Sarah is now trying to suggest she sort-of knew your girlfriend was dead (because she "wasn't getting much from her"), yet was still making suggestions about food, etc.

Read another way, what she wrote is almost close to an admission that if she doesn't get much apart from a 'shock', she just makes a load of generic stuff up, adds on some obvious guesses and pretends it's some sort of God-blessed prediction.

The lies about deleting out of respect for you once she's made a balls-up of her predictions really are beneath contempt.
As ever, Sarah is using editing to try to make her look less incompetent, but only comes out looking even more untrustworthy.

psychicsarah

8th October 2007, 03:02 PM

I have nothing more to say to you TD

I have explained myself once and for all on the matter on Sky; which is more open and honest than I wanted to be about the matter on the internet ( I do not think this is the place for this kind of thing)

The main message for you is that your girlfriend remains close to you in spirit and that she will guide you to new love

I am NOT a fraud and you have no choice now but to wait and see on this point...

TD..I am not going to say another word on the matter...apart form this here below

This is my final word on the matter...

You have not listened to anything I have said

I knew she was dead from the picture...but I would have had people jumping on me if I had said that outright..Because obviously in the picture she is alive and for all I knew at that point I could have been picking up a future event...it certainly woud not have been my place to impart that news to you

This is why I described that her aura was 'greyish' (which would signify looming illness)

I said it gently to you re 'shock' and I made it quite clear that you knew already what had happened to her

The thing re the fortifying foods is that YOU need to eat better;

But also it means that if she had had a different dietary regime her condition may well have improved (there are many books out on how 'power foods' can turn a condition around and this is what that meant. It was if you like a message 'out of time', so as you rightly say pointless in helping her now

I made it quite clear that the 2 to 3 week time frame is a message for YOU

and I pointed out her sense of humour ( which she still has by the way and the many plans she had....at the time the photo was taken...

Don't forget I was reading her through THAT photo...I did NOT give you a fuil reading and I told you what I picked up from that photo...which wasn't much...because she is no longer with us)

Now do I really have to spell it out any more clearly for you than that?

I did not want to put this info up on here; but you have left me with no choice

psychicsarah

8th October 2007, 03:03 PM

Tolmon...if you are unsure I'm impressed...like you better as unsure!

bye bye

8)

tolman

8th October 2007, 03:15 PM

I knew she was dead from the picture...but I would have had people jumping on me if I had said that outright..Because obviously in the picture she is alive and for all I knew at that point I could have been picking up a future event...it certainly woud not have been my place to impart that news to you

This is why I described that her aura was 'greyish' (which would signify looming illness)

I said it gently to you re 'shock' and I made it quite clear that you knew already what had happened to her

The thing re the fortifying foods is that YOU need to eat better;

But also it means that if she had had a different dietary regime her condition may well have improved (there are many books out on how 'power foods' can turn a condition around and this is what that meant. It was if you like a message 'out of time', so as you rightly say pointless in helping her now

I made it quite clear that the 2 to 3 week time frame is a message for YOU

and I pointed out her sense of humour ( which she still has by the way and the many plans she had....at the time the photo was taken...

Don't forget I was reading her through THAT photo...I did NOT give you a fuil reading and I told you what I picked up from that photo...which wasn't much...because she is no longer with us)

Now do I really have to spell it out any more clearly for you than that?

I did not want to put this info up on here; but you have left me with no choice
Sarah,
If you had *really* sensed she was dead, it would have been an act of staggering callousness to make comments about her needing fortifying foods or improving in a few weeks (maybe with the aid of healing from you).

You obviously didn't sense she was dead, and there's no point pretending that you did.

Matt

8th October 2007, 03:43 PM

I knew she was dead from the picture.

Sarah Delamere Hurding - you are a liar.

Nils

8th October 2007, 04:14 PM

Though I do think it will all come out in the wash...ie what has happened re Madeleine

Make up your bliddy mind will you!

Nils

8th October 2007, 04:20 PM

Don't forget I was reading her through THAT photo...I did NOT give you a fuil reading and I told you what I picked up from that photo...which wasn't much...because she is no longer with us)

Right. So you can't get much from people who are dead then. Erm. Right. So you can't contact them then. Hmm.

I'm quite surprised to find 'God' is just as vague as the spirits the other lot talk to. I would have thought he'd be a bit more helpful. A few messages on stone tablets or a voice from a burning bush perhaps. Maybe he's a naughty tease.

td17_uk

8th October 2007, 04:42 PM

and sarahs post of the day over on sky news forum is.......<drum roll>...........'im going to portugal bye bye' when questioned on it the post miraculously became 'im going to check out about going to portugal' when questioned on that wasnt what she said the post became..........'&&&&' ladies and gentlemen i give you psychic sarah and her amazing changing post...........<round of appluase>

Julia

8th October 2007, 05:09 PM

As a psychic Sarah :liar:Delamere:liar: Hurding is a joke, albeit an offensive and unfunny one. As a fantasist willing to perform the most amazing mental contortions in an attempt to prove herself right she's unlike anyone I've previously encountered. :cheesy: Still, if she's determined to make herself a laughing stock who are we to stop her?

Cuddles

8th October 2007, 05:24 PM

which is more open and honest than I wanted to be about the matter

So you're saying that you don't like being open and honest? I doubt anyone's surprised.

Julia

8th October 2007, 06:49 PM

Oooh - do I detect a Freudian slip? ;)

psychicsarah

9th October 2007, 01:54 PM

Matt...get lost...

TD put me on the spot doing that on line...it is not the place for it

If he had been sitiing in front of me and handed me that pic I would have said things in a totally different way...

TD I explained this to you on SKY more fully

good bye

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(J) U..L..I...A

was interested why you didn't come up with

'her... grand...dilema'

(it uses MORE letters from my name...) ...whereas mine for you above uses ALL your letters!

YOU made the Freudian slip hon..

with respect

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re Arch Bishop Brady

I might private mail you the article on the Arch Bishop...I won't put it up here for the pirranas to feed off... sorry about that

psychicsarah

9th October 2007, 01:55 PM

Over and out for good...

Happy Christmas!

:smiley:

psychicsarah

9th October 2007, 01:57 PM

nils

Make up your bliddy mind will you!

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The new cop Paulo will sort it out...

bye bye

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tolman

9th October 2007, 02:10 PM

But you're the person who predicted it would be solved in July, and again by 130 days, and quite possibly by any number of other times which have also been and gone.

Anyone can keep predicting some kind of solution will happen in the next month or two, and eventually have a prediction come up, assuming there's ever going to be a solution.

It takes no psychic ability whatsoever to do that, which is presumably why it's what you do, alongside lying about your past predictions.

psychicsarah

9th October 2007, 02:24 PM

Tolmon

I've explained the thing re dates more fully on SKY

Re 130 days...I said the Mc Canns would stay in Portugal a MAX of 130 days.....(they booked their tickets early in the morning of 129th day)

I am just going to stick to SKY again...so you can visit me in various guises there if you so choose

I have said that I don't know when she will be found...cos I don't

Will let you know when (or if) I get any clarity on that

bye bye

Dr B

9th October 2007, 02:35 PM

More lies and deception.
Thread closed :admin:

Dr B

9th October 2007, 03:01 PM

Hello all

You may have noticed some ‘admin muscle’ being flexed on the two threads surrounding the delusions of one “not-so-psychic-psychic claimant”. It is my current personal view that those threads have run their course and have nothing left to offer either those involved in them, or those following the debate. Unlike the magical world of the Woo-Forum – we do not edit or remove posts – but leave the debate, in its entirety for all to see. We do not like to stifle debate – but encourage it. However, successful debate between adults can only proceed if all parties, at the very least, remain honest in their reporting of demonstrable facts. It is interesting to see some posters only contributing to the threads that are about themselves!

If you think I have been harsh then send me a PM and I will consider ‘releasing’ this beast of a thread back on you all…..

Finally, I would like to thank all the rational people in this thread that have tried, with great patience and fairness, to represent the facts correctly. I think the readers and lurkers to this forum will benefit greatly from it. Special thanks, in no particular order, go to; Matt, Vbloke, John Jackson, Chillzero, Julia, Tolman, Cuddles, The Great Bymble, Bindeweede, Farsideofthemoon, Fruitfly, BrianP and Jocky et al., (and all the others – too many to name) for services above and beyond the call of rational duty. O0