Vemma Europe a misleading company

[vemmavictim]

More and more people see the real face behind Vemma Europe , the way they act with people lies lies and more lies resultated in a big flop on the Vemma extravaganza in 2008 in the Rai the netherlands even with free entrance cards just a hand full of people showed up .

Promis after promis , the majority of leadership already have left the ship
this resulted in big flop and even after 2 years they still cannot get foot in Europe .

If a company is not honest it will not pay off in the end Vemma Europe is a classical example of it lies , deceiving , dishonest , just a company you cannot trust . stay away from it .
Now the arrows are pointed at verve another scam from the same company .

First New vision in this company another company starts called Vemma and now Verve strange connection .

I think the that Boreko,s brother made a good move too go to Xango this is a real money Machine .

O0

Everybody has to understand all those products people are paying way to much for it cost a 10 th of the real price maby less but the small group must earn the bucks .

Vemma Europe is very clever to let people pay in EURO en pay out converted in DOLLARS so people get ripped off big times .

[Mongrel]

Quick Google - looks like a fairly standard pyramid scheme (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/multi_level_marketing.php) pushing a (probably foul tasting) overpriced nutrient\power drink.

Do you have any more details vemmavictim?

[bobdezon]

could just be a surreptuous pimp for xango? ;D

[Matt]

Vemma Victim,

Check out the new legislation of Unfair Commercial Practices (http://www.berr.gov.uk/consumers/buying-selling/ucp/index.html). It's EU law so applies all accross Europe.

It's a new law so only really relavent to you if you're a recent victim. However even if you can't claim anything back yourself, if they're still operating in the same way you can protect others by reporting them to your local trading standards.

Even if you're not a recent victim please post here if there's anything that you think applies so that other victims may find this and see if they can take action against Vemma under this law.

Certain activities (http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file46035.pdf) are defined as allways being in breach of the law. This includes.

20. Pyramid schemes
Establishing, operating or promoting a pyramid promotional
scheme where a consumer gives consideration for the
opportunity to receive compensation that is derived
primarily from the introduction of other consumers into
the scheme, rather than from the sale or consumption.

Contact your local trading standards with a list of infractions.

Hope this Helps. Best of luck.

Matt

[vemmavictim]

Thx matt sorry for the late reply .

Latest news all topearners left Vemma Europe , as you see the truth is always out there;).

[kstai]

I have been watching this forum with interest. I did my research before I decided to join Vemma Europe. Looks like they had a bad time in 2008 and something must have gone wrong there.

It is also interesting to see no one has replied to this post since 2008. So I thought I might give you guys some update.

Vemma Europe has changed and it is improving and expanding. The last convention in Germany was a huge success. I wasn't there but I watched the DVD of it. My short 4 weeks of experience has been positive.

Just in case you think I am one of those blinded victims, I have been in MLM for many years and have success especially in internet marketing. I do MLM review on my website and I looked at more than 50 MLMs.

That is all I want to say. Thought I should give some up to date information just to be fair to them ;)

[PaulW99]

You are a blinded victim. MLM = scam.
Get out now.

[Matt]

You are a blinded victim. MLM = scam.
Get out now.

What an optimist you are.

[Croydon Bob]

You are a blinded victim.

Or a sock puppet of the Vemma scam artists?

[kstai]

Or a sock puppet of the Vemma scam artists?

Sock puppet? That is funny. I can invite you for a cup of tea at my house in Birmingham and show you my commission statement LOL.

;D

[Admin]

I can invite you for a cup of tea at my house in Birmingham and show you my commission statement LOL.

Scan it and post it on here. O0

[Croydon Bob]

Sock puppet? That is funny. I can invite you for a cup of tea at my house in Birmingham and show you my commission statement LOL.

It wouldn't disprove the "sock puppet" theory even if you do.

But it could be true that you're just an idiot who is being scammed by Vemma. Doesn't bother me either way.

[Matt]

Here's an interesting thing.

The Unfair Commercial Practices regulations I cited above mention:

20. Pyramid schemes
Establishing, operating or promoting a pyramid promotional
scheme where a consumer gives consideration for the
opportunity to receive compensation that is derived
primarily from the introduction of other consumers into
the scheme, rather than from the sale or consumption.

Amway were recently up before the beak because they sold more training and promotion materials than actual product.

How does Vemma compare?

Well lets play the part of a consumer. I'm in the market for a tasty refreshing health drink similar to vemma verve. So off I trot to the vemma website http://www.vemmaeurope.com/ to see if I can buy a sample.

Buy now! it says with a big green button. https://secure.vemmaeurope.com/signup.html

That's odd though. The first option it offers me is to become a distributer. The second option "become a customer" doesn't actually give me a price, Without first signing up as a member. Fill in some details and I still don't get a price, I get told a vemma distributor near me will make contact. OK but on the become a customer page there was a link for retail pricing, lets try that... Nope I get to the same signup page.

OK when I googled for Vemma Europe there was a product pricing link.
http://www.vemmaeurope.com/pricing.html
No Joy there.

OK there's a navigation bar at the top of the page it says shop.
http://shop.vemmaeurope.com/

Brillaint, lots of stuff to buy at the vemma shop and it's all got prices I can view before I hand over my details but wait a moment... No vitamin packed slightly sparkling juice flavoured drink.

I can get a trifold brochure, a DVD, a promotional inflatable bottle, a distributer kit, a starter kit or vemma's in house magazine.

Now it's not for me to say if Vemma's product is in reality a juice drink, or actually the diaphanous dream of a home business where people in your network earn money for you, taking orders for a product that simply sells itself. However if vemma wanted to convince me that they were the latter, a pyramid scheme in other words, then they could do little more than what they've already done.

[PaulW99]

Well done, Matt!

Years ago I went to an Amway meeting, just for a laugh. No mention of soap, all they talked about was how great it is to be rich. Not exactly breaking news.

[kstai]

Here's an interesting thing.

The Unfair Commercial Practices regulations I cited above mention:

20. Pyramid schemes
Establishing, operating or promoting a pyramid promotional
scheme where a consumer gives consideration for the
opportunity to receive compensation that is derived
primarily from the introduction of other consumers into
the scheme, rather than from the sale or consumption.

Amway were recently up before the beak because they sold more training and promotion materials than actual product.

How does Vemma compare?

Well lets play the part of a consumer. I'm in the market for a tasty refreshing health drink similar to vemma verve. So off I trot to the vemma website http://www.vemmaeurope.com/ to see if I can buy a sample.

Buy now! it says with a big green button. https://secure.vemmaeurope.com/signup.html

That's odd though. The first option it offers me is to become a distributer. The second option "become a customer" doesn't actually give me a price, Without first signing up as a member. Fill in some details and I still don't get a price, I get told a vemma distributor near me will make contact. OK but on the become a customer page there was a link for retail pricing, lets try that... Nope I get to the same signup page.

OK when I googled for Vemma Europe there was a product pricing link.
http://www.vemmaeurope.com/pricing.html
No Joy there.

OK there's a navigation bar at the top of the page it says shop.
http://shop.vemmaeurope.com/

Brillaint, lots of stuff to buy at the vemma shop and it's all got prices I can view before I hand over my details but wait a moment... No vitamin packed slightly sparkling juice flavoured drink.

I can get a trifold brochure, a DVD, a promotional inflatable bottle, a distributer kit, a starter kit or vemma's in house magazine.

Now it's not for me to say if Vemma's product is in reality a juice drink, or actually the diaphanous dream of a home business where people in your network earn money for you, taking orders for a product that simply sells itself. However if vemma wanted to convince me that they were the latter, a pyramid scheme in other words, then they could do little more than what they've already done.

Simple answer to your question Matt..

If you buy something from Amazon, Tesco online etc etc.. they will ask you to sign up first before you can buy. In Vemma, it doesn't cost any money to be a member or preferred customer. So you don't get direct benefit from recruiting members, you can get commission when someone buy the drink. It is different from a Pyramid scheme where you pay money to join and part of that goes to the recruiters. It is not the case with Vemma.

The reason you don't get the price is because online order is only for members and preferred customers only and the price is wholesale price. People who only want to buy a few to try have to buy from a members at retail price. If you want, I can send you a few. I take paypal.

;)

[kstai]

You are a blinded victim. MLM = scam.
Get out now.

By the way, do everyone here think ALL MLMs are scam?

[PaulW99]

By the way, do everyone here think ALL MLMs are scam?

Let's see that scanned commission statement. I'm not holding my breath.

Please give me some more details about your particular MLM scam. How much money have you put into it, and how much have you gotten out? Please be ready to back up these claims with proof. Please don't say it's private because it's not - you can be as anonymous as you want on this forum. Just black out any personal details.

[kstai]

Let's see that scanned commission statement. I'm not holding my breath.

Please give me some more details about your particular MLM scam. How much money have you put into it, and how much have you gotten out? Please be ready to back up these claims with proof. Please don't say it's private because it's not - you can be as anonymous as you want on this forum. Just black out any personal details.

Posting commission statement online is against company policy and I know what you are going to say next. Nevermind, I am happy to show you when we meet one day. Are you near Birmingham?

As I gather this is a 100% anti-MLM forum. So I am off to somewhere with more positive minds:) take care Paul and thanks for your concern again.

[PaulW99]

Posting commission statement online is against company policy and I know what you are going to say next. Nevermind, I am happy to show you when we meet one day. Are you near Birmingham?

As I gather this is a 100% anti-MLM forum. So I am off to somewhere with more positive minds:) take care Paul and thanks for your concern again.

Is this what I was going to say next? :

"If I was running an MLM I wouldn't want people revealing how little they earn either!"

If you black out the personal stuff then how would they know it was you? Oh, I get it, you don't have any commission statements because you don't have any commissions. Maybe that's what I was going to say.

Good luck, kstai. Please come back when you've turned your back on MLMs for good, maybe you can help the next MLM victim who reads here. I just hope you're one of the MLMers who suffers in silence and not one that goes around bugging people to buy their crap all the time.

[PaulW99]

You can't make this stuff up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1ysd3c4Do

A Vemma video touting it as "The #1 way to make money from home"
Within 20 seconds there is even a depiction of a pyramid of people!

SCAM - SCAM - SCAM - SCAM

[Matt]

Simple answer to your question Matt..

If you buy something from Amazon, Tesco online etc etc.. they will ask you to sign up first before you can buy. In Vemma, it doesn't cost any money to be a member or preferred customer. So you don't get direct benefit from recruiting members, you can get commission when someone buy the drink. It is different from a Pyramid scheme where you pay money to join and part of that goes to the recruiters. It is not the case with Vemma.

The reason you don't get the price is because online order is only for members and preferred customers only and the price is wholesale price. People who only want to buy a few to try have to buy from a members at retail price. If you want, I can send you a few. I take paypal.

;)

Well with Amazon and Texco you at least get to see the prices before you sign up. I can compare prices of similar products without handing over my details. With vemma you don't even get a price after you sign up, you have to wait for your nearest rep to get in touch with you. Compare that with the ease with which I can buy merchandising material (even as a non-member) and you can see why it appears to many of us that their emphasis is on selling distributorships rather then end product. Oh I get that the reason for this is that they want to go through their channels to sell product but that rather underlines my point.

Hey though, you're here now and you've offered to sell me a can. Yet still you don't seem to have told me the price or where to go paypal in hand.

C'mon there's apparently a no quibble money back guarantee so what have I got to lose huh? Sell me a can.

[PaulW99]

Sorry Matt, I think I scared him/her off.

[tolman]

Simple answer to your question Matt..

If you buy something from Amazon, Tesco online etc etc.. they will ask you to sign up first before you can buy.
I suppose there's nothing quite like aiming high, is there?

On the other hand, a lot of smaller companies I buy things from don't require that people register. They just require payment, and an address to send things to.

Some have customer accounts, to make things easier for repeat customers, though in the case of a couple of companies I use regularly, such accounts are optional.

Some larger companies don't sell direct, but all the ones making products I'd ever be likely to buy who don't sell direct also don't require me to register to find out where I can buy from, they just have a list of retailers.

[tolman]

Sock puppet? That is funny. I can invite you for a cup of tea at my house in Birmingham and show you my commission statement.
Given that you selected yourself to come here and support the company, I'm not sure what that would be expected to prove.

You may well know how genuine you are, but how is anyone else expected to know, if whether you are on the level or you (and the company) are not, you're likely to be saying the same things and showing similar evidence?

[Ryoden]

You can't make this stuff up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1ysd3c4Do

A Vemma video touting it as "The #1 way to make money from home"
Within 20 seconds there is even a depiction of a pyramid of people!

SCAM - SCAM - SCAM - SCAM

Apparently I have to come back to you for showing me this video link :cheesy:

I was involved in a few MLM's back in my naive unemployed youth and without a doubt this does indeed have all the hallmarks of (at best) an MLM (which is just a legal pyramid scheme).

Some of the wonderful comments in that video

"It's a great way to get girls" ... Really?

and my favourite comment from the man at the top "I now earn more in a month than I did in a year as a bank manager"

Actually that's probably the truth, he does but any of the losers that sign up to this sadly wont.

It's always the same sales pitch, earn shed loads of cash for basically doing nothing but sadly real life isnt like that.

[Energy]

I dont think its a scam..And its really Tasty..;)

[Energy]

Posting commission statement online is against company policy and I know what you are going to say next. Nevermind, I am happy to show you when we meet one day. Are you near Birmingham?

As I gather this is a 100% anti-MLM forum. So I am off to somewhere with more positive minds:) take care Paul and thanks for your concern again.

kstai..They are Dream Stealers!!!!

[tolman]

I dont think its a scam..And its really Tasty..;)
If it's so good, no doubt it will soon be available in the kinds of retail outlets that sell any number of similar products, from big name brands all the way down to premium output from small manufacturers.

I think most potential customers would wait for that to happen.

[Admin]

By the way, do everyone here think ALL MLMs are scam?

Yes - the reason is that Multi Level Marketing (MLM) is a flawed concept in itself. So it doesn't matter which company decides to use it, it's always going to suffer from its inherent problems (most 'consultants' will lose money after signing up).

MLM is MLM. It doesn't matter how many times it's re-packed or dressed up, it's a fatally flawed concept.

[Admin]

kstai..They are Dream Stealers!!!!

Dream being the operative word. ;)

[Energy]

If it's so good, no doubt it will soon be available in the kinds of retail outlets that sell any number of similar products, from big name brands all the way down to premium output from small manufacturers.

I think most potential customers would wait for that to happen.


Sorry mate..You wont see it in tescoooos or anywhere like that..

[Energy]

Yes - the reason is that Multi Level Marketing (MLM) is a flawed concept in itself. So it doesn't matter which company decides to use it, it's always going to suffer from its inherent problems (most 'consultants' will lose money after signing up).

MLM is MLM. It doesn't matter how many times it's re-packed or dressed up, it's a fatally flawed concept.

Then New Vision ( Vemma's Mother Company ) have been doing something completely wrong for the last 15 YEARS!!! ;)

[tolman]

Sorry mate..You wont see it in tescoooos or anywhere like that..
What, doesn't the wonderful company want to get its amazing product more widely sold?

Or is it just not special enough to actually sell where no-one's pushing it and there is competition?

[Energy]

What, doesn't the wonderful company want to get its amazing product more widely sold?

Or is it just not special enough to actually sell where no-one's pushing it and there is competition?


There is definatly an O missing in your name Sir..You obviously do not understand the concept of MLM... Never mind..

[Admin]

Then New Vision ( Vemma's Mother Company ) have been doing something completely wrong for the last 15 YEARS!!! ;)

No they haven't. MLM works beautifully for those behind the scam scheme.


There is definatly an O missing in your name Sir..

If you're going to start with stupid and childish insults, I'll boot you off this forum. Got it?


You obviously do not understand the concept of MLM.

If you believe that it works for the 'consultants' who sign up, then it's you who doesn't understand the concept.

[Energy]

Please boot me off.. Its sad on here anyway. Proclaiming you know everything ( When you know very little ) Sat all day on your sofa's writing Drivel..Never mind, maybe you will get a life one day. And i see you are mainly the same people proclaiming to know everything about MLM..mmmmmm maybe another company are involved?..nevertheless i wish you all a happy, sorry interesting, albeit sad and boring life..:):) And remember, MLM is the future..My cheque tells me so..Bye.

[Admin]

Please boot me off..

My pleasure. O0

Why do thickos always come up with the "Your sad, get a life"* argument?



* Yes, it's always "your[sic] sad" and not "you're sad". ;D ;D ;D

[tolman]

There is definatly an O missing in your name Sir..You obviously do not understand the concept of MLM... Never mind..
The concept being that it needs people eager to push products on their friends in order to sell them?

I do understand that for some people 'not available in the shops' might carry a certain cachet, but such people are probably in the minority, though I suppose there are enough around to keep TV shopping channels in business.

I also understand that MLM probably works best for products where the actual benefits are hard to quantify or directly compare with other products.

I guess MLM does provide opportunities for expensive [supposed] health drinks to be hyped without the risks that could ensue if excessive claims were made by a mainstream retailer.
If it's just a particular small-scale individual making claims, that's likely to attract less attention, and claims along the lines of 'I tried it and felt much better' are hard to disprove.

[Matt]

That was quick, from shill to forum suicide quicker than I can ask the price of a can.

OK I guess I'll just have to wait for the next vemma distributor to sign up here before I'll get my questions answered.

[tolman]

That was quick, from shill to forum suicide quicker than I can ask the price of a can.

OK I guess I'll just have to wait for the next vemma distributor to sign up here before I'll get my questions answered.
Looks like it's $60/month.
A bit expensive for a fruity vitamin supplement.

[Matt]

Looks like it's $60/month.
A bit expensive for a fruity vitamin supplement.

I only want a sample. How many cans does $60 a month get you?

[tolman]

Looking at their site, they link to some medical studies, but it seems like in one of them there is an RCT, but where for one of the important blood markers they're claiming to have an effect on, there's a serious initial difference (average 1.5 units vs average 2 units) between the two random groups of 30 people each.

How likely is that to happen by chance?

[Matt]

Ooh the website has changed. There's a select country option on the buy link.

If I choose UK I get the "sign up to be put in touch with a distributor" page I saw before.
If I choose USA I can buy direct, but only a 24 pack, either 8oz cans or 3oz "shots" $65 a pack.

So that's $2.71 per can (wholsesale price) That's £1.87 according to http://www.xe.com/ucc

A steep price for a can of Energy Drink. Same size can of Red Bull will set you back £1.15 in Tesco or £1.35 at ASDA or Sainsbury's. That's a single can price of top branded product. Not bothered about branding, happy to pay wholesale? Well you can get 6 of the same size cans of Tesco Kick for £1.52.

So do I want to pay $65 for my 24 Cans of Verve or £6.08 for Kick?

Tricky one.

[PaulW99]

Please boot me off.. Its sad on here anyway. Proclaiming you know everything ( When you know very little ) Sat all day on your sofa's writing Drivel..Never mind, maybe you will get a life one day. And i see you are mainly the same people proclaiming to know everything about MLM..mmmmmm maybe another company are involved?..nevertheless i wish you all a happy, sorry interesting, albeit sad and boring life..:):) And remember, MLM is the future..My cheque tells me so..Bye.

Intriguing, I wonder which company he/she/it means? Surely not a competing MLM, that wouldn't make sense. Then again, for someone who writes like that, I can't really expect sense.

Another undereducated individual being taken advantage of, so sad.

[tolman]

What is it with people like that joining their writing together with dots, as if it signifies that the next thing they say is somehow important or worth waiting for, when generally pretty much the opposite seems to be the case?

Half the time there's not even any obvious connection with the previous 'sentence'.

"I'm off to the shops in a minute...saw a badger yesterday...wonder if England will win Eurovision"

[PaulW99]

What is it with people like that joining their writing together with dots, as if it signifies that the next thing they say is somehow important or worth waiting for, when generally pretty much the opposite seems to be the case?

Half the time there's not even any obvious connection with the previous 'sentence'.

"I'm off to the shops in a minute...saw a badger yesterday...wonder if England will win Eurovision"

That's a pet peeve of mine too. I'm seeing it more and more on the web. They have nothing of value to say so they leave spaces where you can insert something interesting yourself.

[Harryprice]

What is it with people like that joining their writing together with dots, as if it signifies that the next thing they say is somehow important or worth waiting for, when generally pretty much the opposite seems to be the case?

I like connecting stuff with dots ... so what are you saying about me?

[chaggle]

Sometimes I leave dots at the end, I'm not quite sure why...

[tolman]

It's OK in moderation, and where the context is appropriate, such as someone speaking who clearly indicates by tone, etc that they're about to say something else.

However, when used as the sole or primary means of punctuation,...

Wherever the idiom originates, it generally doesn't seem to correlate positively with value of content.

[PaulW99]

http://www.gabwhacker.com/xwp/bluequill/ellipses.asp

"Properly used, the ellipsis conveys a world of emotional meaning; improperly used, it makes characters sound like spaced-out valley girls who can't string together a coherent thought."

[tolman]

When misused, I think the term 'drool dots' just about sums up the mental imagery evoked.

[Drop Bear]

I do understand that for some people 'not available in the shops' might carry a certain cachet, but such people are probably in the minority, though I suppose there are enough around to keep TV shopping channels in business.


Just so. My dear old Mum (84() is one of them. She keeps buying overpriced crap from from Danos-direct. I often think they make their real profit from the outrageous posting and handling charges.

MLM schemes are spiffy for manufacturers; relatively low overheads and they avoid all those pesky labour laws. They use the cynical fiction that the people making them rich are self employed.(when they are merely dupes).

YES,you CAN make a lot of money if you are unscrupulous and energetic--and lack the brains and imagination to discover a better way.

In MLM schemes the product is always irrelevant and of 'modest' quality.