loose change - 9/11 WTC conspiracy video

[huw-l]

So the loose change video has been doing the rounds on the internet this week. I've bumped into it in a couple of completely unrelated places. You can get the video from:

http://www.loosechange911.com/downloads.htm

assuming the bittorrent tracker is working. If it isn't you can see a low-res version on google video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

In case anyone hasn't already heard about this it's a 9/11 conspiracy theory 'documentary'. I haven't has a chance to watch it yet but it was discussed on the skeptics guide to the universe podcast this week.

Here are a couple of good skeptical resources about the points it brings up:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-i.html

the following is an article from kuro5hin (not normally a bastion of critical thinking) comparing the 9/11 conspiracy theorists to climate skeptics. It's basically a list of the logical fallacies and rhetorical tricks that both camps use. I thought it was nicely done.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/5/28/21309/3658

Hope someone finds this useful, and won't have to go digging around the internet for an hour like I did this morning.

[Zendal Darkman]

Hope someone finds this useful, and won't have to go digging around the internet for an hour like I did this morning.

thanks I'll give the sites a go. To be honest I just tend to ignore the 911 conspiracy people now.

[Admin]

Yes, I had a few ding dongs with PCTs a couple of years ago. :angel:

This looks worth reading though: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/5/28/21309/3658

It's good to look at how their thinking and tactics work,

[Mongrel]

There's a few threads over on the JREF boards if you have a weekend to spare (they're big)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102 Part 1
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57424 Part 2

Also one of the members, Gravy, has done an awsome step by step rebuttall of Loose change in either Word (http://tinyurl.com/epp82) or HTML (http://tinyurl.com/jnfp8) and an index of the JREF thread that contains major points and rebuttals in Excel (http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=108756)

[Hazen]

Update:
http://www.loosechange911.com/

[tkingdoll]

I've heard that they're being sued at the moment for copyright infringement or something similar.

[Hazen]

I also read this, somewhere recently.

The same chap has also produced this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031
which tries to link Bush senior to the JFK assassination, and Bush junior to the more recent deaths in the Kennedy family.