At last! 2012 explained.

[bindeweede]

What really is going to happen in 2012? Asteroid 433 Eros is going to pass within 17 million miles of the Earth in January; the United States will hand over control of the Korean military back to the Koreans in April; there will be an annular solar eclipse in May and a solar transit of Venus in June; the Summer Olympics will take place in London; the Earth's population will officially pass 7 billion people in October; the United States will elect a new President in November; construction of the new Freedom Tower will be complete in New York City; the sun will flip its magnetic poles as it does at the end of every 11-year sunspot cycle; and, as I'm sure you've heard by now, the Mayan calendar completes its 5,125 year cycle, presumably portending the End of Days.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093

[Matt]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093

I've been worrying too much about this 20:12 business. Every evening I breathe a sigh of relief when we get to quarter past eight. If only they'd tell us on what day the world will end at just gone eight.

[bobdezon]

I would have Brians babies O0

[Julia]

Don't forget that if we all come through 2012 in one piece we still have the Digital Millennium of 2048 to look forward to! :shocked:

[bobdezon]

Is that when the earth is suddenly hit by a comet, comprised entirely of AOL cds?

[VoodooJoe]

Just a thought, does anyone know if the Mayans actually said anything about believing the world was going to end in 2012?

Or did they just view 2012 as the year when their calendar was going to run out and it was just new agers who interpreted it as an apocalyptic vision?

[ForAllOfThis]

Just a thought, does anyone know if the Mayans actually said anything about believing the world was going to end in 2012?

Or did they just view 2012 as the year when their calendar was going to run out and it was just new agers who interpreted it as an apocalyptic vision?

New agers interpreted it as an apocalyptic vision, then all of the conspiracy hunters went looking for the number 2012 in the bible and every other religous book. Then some of the psychics claimed that they couldn't see past the year 2012.

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/1.htm

That link will inform you of pretty much every reason the world will end in 2012. Enjoy =).

"Asteroid 433 Eros is going to pass within 17 million miles of the Earth in January"

We need to watch out for that one. I always wondered what a 17 million mile wide asteroid looked like. Its going to be a close call.

P.s. I wish there was an easier way to promote sarcasm in a post.

[SKIRRID5]

If one lives in London, 2012 will be quite painful enough on account of the bloody Olympics.

[Mongrel]

If one lives in London, 2012 will be quite painful enough on account of the bloody Olympics.

Don't forget the 'burbs :-[

I live 10 minutes away from Gatwick and London is 20 minutes by train

Oh, and I work one junction down (M25) from Heathrow

[SKIRRID5]

Mongrel, I suppose if you look out your window you can see the mountain of unclaimed bags at Heathrow?
Talking of which, I see one of the papers today quoting an opinion that 90-something percent of the bag owners will never get their stuff back. The source turns out to be "a security guard". In other words, they chatted to the first overworked employee they could find, and treated his words as an official estimate.

[Mongrel]

Mongrel, I suppose if you look out your window you can see the mountain of unclaimed bags at Heathrow?
Talking of which, I see one of the papers today quoting an opinion that 90-something percent of the bag owners will never get their stuff back. The source turns out to be "a security guard". In other words, they chatted to the first overworked employee they could find, and treated his words as an official estimate.

So how well does a Security Guard know the baggage system?

Unless that's a sly admission that means the baggage handlers rummaged through everything and swiped all the good stuff :cheesy:

[axiomgate]

Just for fun I want to make some predictions about the next few years, from now until 2012.

May 2008 - Toxic Fish cases will surface in the Eastern world, infected by a new virus from Plastic.

June 2008 - Petrol will reach £1.15 per liter.

July 2008 - Queen of England signs the last Constitutional right giving way to the EU control and policing of England.

August 2008 - The first cases of people becoming ill from eating fish will surface in the Eastern world.

September 2008 - Iran will be seen to be helping Hezbholla militants and "proof or intelligence of this will emerge".

October 2008 - American soilders will take places in the Gaza Strip along side Israel's soldiers.

November 2008 - Meaning there are more targets in the Gaza Strip more violence will break out, Iran will get the blame.

December 2008 - A Terrorist attack will take place in the Western world for events in Israel.

January 2009 - Shock and Ore 2 will take place against Iran

February 2009 - The First cases of Toxic fish making ill Westerners will emerge.

March 2009 - The CSPI will be given control of the food and nutrition.

April 2009 - The EU FBI will be set up within Europe.

May 2009 - ID Cards will be rolled out to most Government and public facing organizations in Europe.

June 2009 - Iran & Iraq will join in an effort to over through occupation in their lands from the USA, Israel will join America in combating this.

July 2009 - Planet X will be seen in the Southern areas of the world and be passed off as a Comet.

August 2009 - Bird Flu and Toxic Fish Flu will be wide spread, along side Foot and Mouth outbreaks.

September 2009 - The CSPI will strip out all animal proteins from food replacing with chemical alternatives.

October 2009 - A Holy War will be declared by the Eastern Arab states.

November 2009 - The Holy War riots will take place within the Western world, with Muslims taking action on the streets in protest leading to violence.

December 2009 - Turkey for Xmas wont be in the shops due to food being contaminated by various flu's and viruses.

January 2010 - Planet X will be seen by almost half the Globe we will be told the planet is a passing Comet.

February 2010 - People will start getting ill due to not having a stable diet and nutrition in their foods. Becoming depressed, tired and run down... Morgellons will also be world wide spread.

Things will stay like this for sometime...

Until around 2011...

April 2011 - Nukes are fired upon Iran and Iraq, but in small charges, chemical sprays will be thrown over the fall out to help disperse the effects.

May 2011 - There will be massive World debt and poverty, food Shortages and high prices of living.

June 2011 - The Clean up of the Middle East will take place.

(Obviously people world wide will be dieing from mal-nutrition right now and wont care much about events happening over seas if it's helping feed them).

Again not much will be happening over than the above right now

January 2012 - America put a an idea to the UN and EU for a one world Government being that the world population has fallen to almost 75%

The NEW WORLD ORDER WILL ARISE

February 2012 - Their first public announcement will be the "Comet approaching is said to be a Planet, and all funding has to go into a method of protecting mankind.

From February to November all efforts for a method of Defense will fail and the world population will reach 1.5 billion.

At this point Underground bunkers will be made available to the fittest and most likely to help keep the Human race alive.

The rest will be left top side to face a Pole Shift in December 2012.

December 2012 - End of Mankind as we know it.

[Mongrel]

We at the Axiom shall create a list below of items for self Survival:-<snip>

I think that's the worst survival kit I've ever seen for a 'post apocalyptic' scenario...

No first aid kits, no vac-sealed, dehydrated food, no insect repellent (all that water will bring in the mozzies), no synthetic twine (you can never go wrong with string), no snare wire, no broad spectrum antibiotics, no pain killers, no multiple jerry cans of fuel, no cigarettes or chocolate (trade items) and how are you going to hunt for food? Harsh language?! Bow's, shotguns, knives and catapults are all easily available within the law and a well trained hunting dog, or even ferrets, are worth their weight in fresh rabbits

[bobdezon]

Just for fun I want to make some predictions about the next few years, from now until 2012.

Just for fun, could you be slightly less credulous?

[axiomgate]

bobdezon

Just for fun, could you be slightly less credulous?

Disposed to believe on little evidence is the whole idea of predictions... Precongnative ideas based on foresight... There is nothing factual about future events as they haven't happened... But congratulations on using such a lovely word !!

Mongrel


No first aid kits, no vac-sealed, dehydrated food, no insect repellent (all that water will bring in the mozzies), no synthetic twine (you can never go wrong with string), no snare wire, no broad spectrum antibiotics, no pain killers


We only listed the more exciting bits, those you list are common sense and within the Extra links towards the bottom.

But your right String is amazing stuff.

[bobdezon]

Disposed to believe on little evidence is the whole idea of predictions

Its also the "whole idea" of many forms of idiocy.


... Precongnative ideas based on foresight...


... Precongnative ideas based on imagination, and extrapolation of current events which will statistically follow a predictable outcome in some cases...

Fixed it for you O0



There is nothing factual about future events as they haven't happened... But congratulations on using such a lovely word !!

I do not find "credulous" to be a lovely word, but Im really glad you took the time to look it up. ^-^

[axiomgate]

It's not a word used in my everyday circles I move in... So yep, I had to look it up !! :tongue:



Precongnative ideas based on imagination, and extrapolation of current events which will statistically follow a predictable outcome in some cases...

Fixed it for you


You have a very nice way of writting... Thanks for that !

I wouldn't say I am an idiot... no more than anyone else that is...

[Cuddles]

May 2008 - Toxic Fish cases will surface in the Eastern world, infected by a new virus from Plastic.

A virus from plastic? What is that even supposed to mean?


June 2008 - Petrol will reach £1.15 per liter.

Normally you predict things before they happen.


July 2008 - Queen of England signs the last Constitutional right giving way to the EU control and policing of England.

Are you sure your timescale is realistic here? If anything were going to happen in July, we'd have heard about the discussions by now. Of course, the fact that this is such obvious bollocks doesn't help.


August 2008 - The first cases of people becoming ill from eating fish will surface in the Eastern world.

Really? I mean, really? You don't think anyone has ever become ill from eating fish before? Really?


September 2008 - Iran will be seen to be helping Hezbholla militants and "proof or intelligence of this will emerge".

What, again?


October 2008 - American soilders will take places in the Gaza Strip along side Israel's soldiers.

Why? Israel have been doing well enough by themselves for the last few decades.


November 2008 - Meaning there are more targets in the Gaza Strip more violence will break out, Iran will get the blame.

December 2008 - A Terrorist attack will take place in the Western world for events in Israel.

Violence in Gaza? Terrorist attacks? Yeah, that's really unsual stuff.


January 2009 - Shock and Ore 2 will take place against Iran

Pfft. Shock and ore. Oh noes! They're going to viciously invade Iran and start digging up rocks!


February 2009 - The First cases of Toxic fish making ill Westerners will emerge.

Yep, no-one has ever become ill from fish in the West either.


March 2009 - The CSPI will be given control of the food and nutrition.

What is this supposed to mean? Control of all food in the world? Just the US? Why would they bother considering that there are already various organisations to deal with food safety?


April 2009 - The EU FBI will be set up within Europe.

Since the EU isn't the US, there will be nothing federal about it.


May 2009 - ID Cards will be rolled out to most Government and public facing organizations in Europe.

What, again? Most companies already have ID badges, certainly government ones do. And that's in addition the driving license and passport that virtually everyone already has.


June 2009 - Iran & Iraq will join in an effort to over through occupation in their lands from the USA, Israel will join America in combating this.

I must have missed the part where Iran and Iraq are friends. Did you not notice the big war they had recently? Or the Iranian support for terrorism in Iraq?


July 2009 - Planet X will be seen in the Southern areas of the world and be passed off as a Comet.

OK, now you're just taking the piss aren't you?


August 2009 - Bird Flu and Toxic Fish Flu will be wide spread, along side Foot and Mouth outbreaks.

Fish don't get flu. It's a little hard to get a lung infection when you don't have lungs.


September 2009 - The CSPI will strip out all animal proteins from food replacing with chemical alternatives.

Oh noes! The chemicals are coming to get us! Man, I really hope there aren't any chemicals in my animal proteins.


October 2009 - A Holy War will be declared by the Eastern Arab states.

What, another one?


November 2009 - The Holy War riots will take place within the Western world, with Muslims taking action on the streets in protest leading to violence.

So is it a war or just riots? They're not really the same thing.


December 2009 - Turkey for Xmas wont be in the shops due to food being contaminated by various flu's and viruses.

Meh, turkey's not particularly nice anyway. Of course, people might be able to figure out that cooking things gets rid of viruses.


January 2010 - Planet X will be seen by almost half the Globe we will be told the planet is a passing Comet.

You know the Earth's rotating, right? Unless it stays directly under the south pole, a lot more than half the world will see it.


February 2010 - People will start getting ill due to not having a stable diet and nutrition in their foods. Becoming depressed, tired and run down... Morgellons will also be world wide spread.

Is there a conspiracy you don't believe in? Morgellons doesn't actually exist.


April 2011 - Nukes are fired upon Iran and Iraq, but in small charges, chemical sprays will be thrown over the fall out to help disperse the effects.

Chemical sprays disperse nuclear explosions how exactly?


May 2011 - There will be massive World debt and poverty, food Shortages and high prices of living.

Again, you're supposed to predict things before they happen.


June 2011 - The Clean up of the Middle East will take place.

Hey, it's not their fault they're dirty, it's all that sand. You know how it gets everywhere. Clean it up one day and the next day it's right back in your shoes, in your clothes, in your bed, sleeping with your wife...


January 2012 - America put a an idea to the UN and EU for a one world Government being that the world population has fallen to almost 75%

So, wait, we're all enjoying ourselves having big wars, but somehow everyone will magically agree to join up under one government. You forgot to mention the genetically engineered winged pigs that will be created first.


The NEW WORLD ORDER WILL ARISE

February 2012 - Their first public announcement will be the "Comet approaching is said to be a Planet, and all funding has to go into a method of protecting mankind.

From February to November all efforts for a method of Defense will fail and the world population will reach 1.5 billion.

At this point Underground bunkers will be made available to the fittest and most likely to help keep the Human race alive.

The rest will be left top side to face a Pole Shift in December 2012.

December 2012 - End of Mankind as we know it.

There really isn't a conspiracy theory you don't believe, is there? NWO, Planet X, pole shifts, evil chemicals, deadly viruses, turkey shortages... and in order to combat this what do you recommend? An inflateable life raft and a torch. Genius.

I'll give you a little hint. You're nuts.


We only listed the more exciting bits, those you list are common sense and within the Extra links towards the bottom.

Exciting? Common sense? Are you seriously trying to say that in some kind of apocalypse you don't consider things like tents and torches as incredibly obvious things, but somehow consider them exciting? I take it you've never taken part in any outdoor activities? Incidentally, you didn't do very well at the items anyway. Let's look at them in a sensible way, rather than a "I've made up some nonsense about the end of the world and think this stuff looks cool" way shall we?

Fishing rod. Not such a bad idea, but you don't want anything fancy and high-tech. All you want is a very simple stick with a winch that you can maintain yourself, and that can cope with much coarser wire when you have to start making your own.

Life raft. Utterly pointless. Life rafts are for short use in an emergency. If you're planning ahead you want proper water craft. Depending on what you're planning, a large rowing or sailing boat may be appropriate, or possibly some kind of expedition kayak or canoe. Nothing inflateable, since it is guaranteed to leak and become useless.

Water buoy. Why the hell would you need something to keep your keys floating when you don't have anything that needs keys? You're living in a tent, remember? Anything that needs to be kept safe should be attatched to you and/or in an inflated dry bag.

Dry bags. Well, you got this one right. However, don't use Overboard ones, the seams split within a few days.

Solar/wind chargers. Not such a bad idea, but not replaceable. A wind-up charger would be a better idea since it would be easier to maintain. Depending on how long you think the apocalypse will last, you may be better ignoring electricity altogether.

SOS light. Utter crap. Get a real torch.

Cooker. What the hell? Why would you need to stockpile a small pot and a grill? If you're not capable of building your own fire, there's really no hope for you when the apocalpyse comes. Something like an MSR stove could be more useful, at least until the fuel runs out, but you're much better off just building a fire pit.

Tent. Well yes. However, a tent should only be temporary until you've built a proper shelter. Remember, tents are fragile and won't last long with constant use. Also, the one you've linked to is designed for snow conditions and would be completely useless in the wet.

Water purification tablets. A bottle of iodine takes up much less space and lasts for much longer.

[bobdezon]

It's not a word used in my everyday circles I move in... So yep, I had to look it up !!

I would imagine that would be the case in conspiracy theorist circles. Which is a pity really, if anyone could use a jolt of reality its those guys.


I wouldn't say I am an idiot... no more than anyone else that is...

I did not call you an idiot, you do seem a little credulous though. Its nice you are here, it will serve as an introduction to critical thinking.

[axiomgate]

Cuddles (http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/member.php?u=87) - You Comedy Genius !!

You should changed your name to Chuckles !! (seriously your funny !!)

The fish thing... The poison from them or flu/infection...

Let us elaborate.

The news is showing reports of Plastic effecting the eco system of fish, and they have hinted that this COULD effect humans if it continues through the food chain...

Well now the News has laid the ground work we at the Axiom feel this will soon become a reality... And people will start becoming ill/abnormal... May be infertile or something... And the reason will be blamed on Global warming or us not being responciple with our rubbish... Another Man man problem the Government wont be able to solve until a One world Government is elected !!...

As for all the other predictions, what one would you like for us to Elaborate on next ?

bobdezon (http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/member.php?u=279) - May be if we meet half way, on the boarders of Fact and Fiction, we will find our footing here... We like to be Critical... But at the same time respectful of others way of thinking... Thanks for the welcome.

[axiomgate]

Every evening I breathe a sigh of relief when we get to quarter past eight. If only they'd tell us on what day the world will end at just gone eight.


The End of the Mayan Calandar is the 21st Dec 2012 (21-12-2012)... The exact time is 11:11 universal time.
(Some state, that is the start of the End, and the events will end on the 23rd-12-2012)

See this video:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gwsFmJ2TqQ

And then this one:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxCphYezvLA

[Cuddles]

Cuddles (http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/member.php?u=87) - You Comedy Genius !!

You should changed your name to Chuckles !! (seriously your funny !!)

Nothing I said was a joke. The simple fact is, your predictions are all utter bollocks and your survival advice is complete garbage.


Let us elaborate.

The news is showing reports of Plastic effecting the eco system of fish, and they have hinted that this COULD effect humans if it continues through the food chain...

The news shows no such thing. Certain toxins, such as pesticides, are not broken down in most animal's bodies, so animals higher up the food chain can build up toxic doses by eating lots of smaller animals with sub-toxic doses. This has been known for decades, with the most famous example being DDT. This has nothing to do with plastic, and even less to do with viruses.


we at the Axiom feel this will soon become a reality

This is because you don't understand a single thing about the real world, and apparently have no desire to actually learn anything.


As for all the other predictions, what one would you like for us to Elaborate on next ?[/quote[

I don't want you to elaborate at all. Your "predictions" are utter crap based on an incredible lack of knowledge, understanding and common sense. Rather making up more pointless nonsense to cover the blatant stupidity you've already come out with, instead try actually learning about the things you're trying to talk about. You'll find that the real world is far more interesting than the fantasy you pretend to live in.

(http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/member.php?u=279)[quote]May be if we meet half way, on the boarders of Fact andFiction, we will find our footing here... We like to be Critical... But at the same time respectful of others way of thinking.

Nope. You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Respect is irrelevant. If you say something that is wrong, it is wrong, simple as that.


The End of the Mayan Calandar is the 21st Dec 2012 (21-12-2012)

No it isn't. The Mayan Long Count calendar does not have an end.


The exact time is 11:11 universal time.

Oh great, now he's going all David Icke on us.::)

[SKIRRID5]

Will the Axiomist please stop writing "effect" when they mean "affect"? It sets my teeth on edge.

[Julia]

Will the Axiomist please stop writing "effect" when they mean "affect"? It sets my teeth on edge.

Will the Axiomist please just STOP WRITING?

[axiomgate]

Typing...?

The Mayan end count does end... For the simple reason they would no longer be able to read the stars due to them lowering from sight from their part of the world.