Reiki healing

[bindeweede]

More from my Isis booklet.

"Reiki treatments are simple and gentle healing techniques. We have beautiful safe spaces here at Isis Crystals in which treatments are caried out. Reiki healing energy can help to heal many physical injuries and symptoms as well as emotional traumas and wobbles. It has a profound effect on your physical health and well being. Reiki works to bring about a balance within the whole person. Here at Isis Crystals, treatments are in the hands or our experienced Reiki Therapists. The sessions last for about an hour and cost just £30/35."

Isn't this just as fraudulent as Psychic Surgery"?

[DrS]

Yes, I'd say so, and potentially as dangerous for people who are seriously ill. It seems to me to be like non-evasive [sic] surgery without the sleight of hand. ^-^

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Reiki is so mainstream now it is unbelievable.

Go to any spa and you'll find it on the list of 'treatments'.

Probably the easiest 30 minutes of any 'therapist' at one of these establishments. ::)

[Fiona]

I agree, FSOTM. The local council here runs health type promotions and a lot of this type of thing is now included - rieki and aromatherapy and stuff. It is absolutely shocking

[bindeweede]

I just can't believe people accept stuff like this.

REIKI

oReiki (pronounced Ray-key) is a Japanese word meaning Universal Life Energy, an energy which is all around us.

Natural Healing

Reiki is the name given to a system of natural healing which evolved in Japan from the experience and dedication of Dr Mikao Usui (d. 1926). Fired by a burning question, Dr Usui was inspired to develop this healing system from ancient teachings after many years of study, research and meditation. He spent the rest of his life practising and teaching Reiki. Today Reiki continues to be taught by Reiki Masters who have trained in the tradition passed down from Master to student.

There is no belief system attached to Reiki so anyone can receive or learn to give a Reiki treatment, the only prerequisite is the desire to be healed.
o
A Reiki Treatment



The method of receiving a Reiki treatment from a practitioner is a very simple process. The recipient simply lies on a couch and relaxes. If they are unable to lie down the treatment can be given in a sitting position, the main thing is for the recipient to be as comfortable as possible. There is no need to remove any clothing as Reiki will pass through anything, even plaster casts. The practitioner gently places their hands non-intrusively in a sequence of positions which cover the whole body. The whole person is treated rather than specific symptoms. A full treatment usually takes 1 to 1½ hours with each position held for several minutes.
http://www.reikiassociation.org.uk/resources/_wsb_413x308_Reikiman+4plus+ground4.jpg
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Which conditions can Reiki help?

It is possible to heal at any level of being: physical, mental, emotional or spiritual. Acute injuries can be helped to heal very quickly but more chronic illness takes longer. In some cases such as terminal illness, there is not enough time for the progress of the disease to be reversed. However, in such cases there is usually great benefit and enhancement of the quality of life giving a sense of peace and acceptance during the time remaining.

Reiki healing can be given anywhere at any time as no special equipment is needed. The practitioner is a channel which the energy is drawn through by the need or imbalance in the recipient. Neither person has to use any effort of will or concentration during this process.

As running water smoothes the jagged edges of a rock until it is small enough to roll away, Reiki flows to the areas of need, soothing pain and supporting the body's natural ability to heal itself. Reiki restores balance in one's life.

Reiki supports all forms of treatment both orthodox and complementary.

For more information about the Usui System of Reiki, Usui Shiki Ryoho go to: Definition of Usui System (https://websitebuilder.1and1.co.uk/xml/wfxdirect/preview;jsessionid=7853822586E45C4285118B6C6D9061E 5.TC110a#)


From - http://www.reikiassociation.org.uk/3.html

[Julia]

Thirty quid for an hour's work? If only I wasn't burdened with a conscience I'd consider going in for a career as a Reiki practitioner. I wonder how many hours it takes to become qualified? ;)

[bindeweede]

Thirty quid for an hour's work? If only I wasn't burdened with a conscience I'd consider going in for a career as a Reiki practitioner. I wonder how many hours it takes to become qualified? ;)

If only you were in St Albans. Feb 23 and 24 Reiki Level 1. 10am -5pm.
" Take your first steps along your new Reiki path. Whether it is for self healing, healing others, personal or spiritual development or just out of interest. £110".

Level 2 March 15 & 16. £150.

BUT, "Angelic Reiki" levels 1 & 2 - £252, but that includes a crystal and a certificate.

I'll PM you the phone number if you are interested.

www.angelicreiki.org

[Fiona]

DO YOU HAVE A TRUE ANGEL STORY?

Well do you ? ;D

[DrS]

I thought I did, but it turned out they were flying saucers, and that it was all because the US government wanted me to think angels. :-[

[bindeweede]

DO YOU HAVE A TRUE ANGEL STORY?

Well do you ? ;D

I think our Gary is in a picture. Click the link above, then the training page. Isn't he the one in the dark shirt, 2nd row?

But the £252 isn't a charge, it's "an abundance exchange". Lovely.

[Julia]

:shocked: So for two hundred and sixty quid and a two day course I can set myself up as a Level 2 Reiki instructor? (Sorry about the absence of a pound sign but it has mysteriously disappeared from my computer).

Thirty quid per hour for consultations. Let's say three consultations a day, five days a week - that's four hundred and fifty quid. Less tax, of course, assuming that I don't keep my newfound skills a secret from the taxman.

Holy alternative medicine fraud, Batman, it's a license to print money!

And I see the gangsta cat is back again, Bindeweede.

[Fiona]

Aye. But you have to keep a straight face :-[

Oh wait......how about we have laughing buddha reiki? I think I might be on to something...

[bindeweede]

:shocked: So for two hundred and sixty quid and a two day course I can set myself up as a Level 2 Reiki instructor? (Sorry about the absence of a pound sign but it has mysteriously disappeared from my computer).

Thirty quid per hour for consultations. Let's say three consultations a day, five days a week - that's four hundred and fifty quid. Less tax, of course, assuming that I don't keep my newfound skills a secret from the taxman.

Holy alternative medicine fraud, Batman, it's a license to print money!

And I see the gangsta cat is back again, Bindeweede.

Julia

I'm not sure you would believe the stuff in this booklet I picked up on Wednesday. Did you know that "Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) is an emotional version of acupuncture, but without the needles. Instead we tap on acupuncture points whilst using related phrases to the challenge identified."

I could go on for ages.

[Fiona]

Related phrases? I am intrigued now.

*muses*

"pull yourself together"

"If you don't stop snivelling I will give you something to cry for"

Is it that kind of thing?

[bindeweede]

Related phrases? I am intrigued now.

*muses*

"pull yourself together"

"If you don't stop snivelling I will give you something to cry for"

Is it that kind of thing?

Fiona,

I have no idea. Here is more crap............

"EFT is a perfect partner to bring us into harmony with The Law of Attraction. It can help by gently and effectively resolving these hurdles and put us into the right frequency to attract better health, relationships or finances."

"We have the power to create our own reality". AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Fiona,

I have no idea. Here is more crap............

"EFT is a perfect partner to bring us into harmony with The Law of Attraction. It can help by gently and effectively resolving these hurdles and put us into the right frequency to attract better health, relationships or finances."

"We have the power to create our own reality". AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

What do you get if you're not in harmony with The Law of Attraction? Seven days without the option?

And do hurdles often get resolved? Most of us just jump over them. Comes of not being open-minded, I expect.

Keep it coming, bw. This stuff is priceless! :smiley:

[Fiona]

Attract better finances? Now that is a good idea

"Here, poundy poundy poundy"

[bindeweede]

What do you get if you're not in harmony with The Law of Attraction? Seven days without the option?

And do hurdles often get resolved? Most of us just jump over them. Comes of not being open-minded, I expect.

Keep it coming, bw. This stuff is priceless! :smiley:

Well.....

"Scientists are now sitting up and taking notice after a study showed that after one hour of group drumming even non-drummers were able to improve their immune systems, lower stress levels, be more creative and have more energy."

Years ago I went on a couple of African drumming courses. Very exciting and stimulating, but I've no idea how they affected my immune system.

You see, it's those "scientists" at it again.

[Julia]

Jesus non-existent Christ.

I feel an attack of projectile vomiting coming on, and that's before I've even started the serious Yuletide boozing and sprout consumption. The most depressing thing is that there's no reason to think that St Albans has a particularly high woo rating - I'm sure every town in the UK has something similar on offer.

*WARNING - DON'T GO TO GLASTONBURY UNLESS YOU REALLY HAVE TO*

As for those mysteriously unnamed scientists at the drumming sessions - how the heck did they test the participants' immune systems? Sneeze all over them and count how many of them developed colds? I sometimes wonder if the average person is any better informed about science than his or her sixteenth century ancestors.

[Blue Wode]

Isn't this just as fraudulent as Psychic Surgery"?

It would seem so…



There is no evidence that clinical Reiki's effects are due to anything other than suggestion, or that they are superior to massage or any other healing ritual.

National Council Against Health Fraud
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/reiki.html (http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/reiki.html)





…If the healing fails, however, it is because the patient is resisting the healing energy.

-snip-

Reiki was popularized by Mikao Usui (1865-1926) (http://www.reiki.org/FAQ/HistoryOfReiki.html#usui). After fasting and meditating for several weeks, he began hallucinating and hearing voices giving him "the keys to healing."

http://skepdic.com/reiki.html (http://skepdic.com/reiki.html)



Surprisingly, the UK Reiki Regulatory Working Group’s energies seem to be a little out of balance at the moment. Last month it formally withdrew from the Federal Working Group (FWG) set up by the Prince’s Foundation for Integrated Health (PFIH) following exclusion from its September and October meetings. Apparently the Reiki group had a number of concerns about the regulatory structure being proposed by the FWG, all of which it highlighted in a letter sent the PFIH and the FWG (copying in the Queen). See the right-hand column in this link:
http://www.reikiregulation.org.uk/ (http://www.reikiregulation.org.uk/)

One of its concerns was:


We believe the Regulator should have an overriding duty to regulate the practitioners, but not the practices or therapies themselves, e.g. such as the teaching of Reiki in its many diverse forms

Now why would that be? ::)

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Well.....

"Scientists are now sitting up and taking notice after a study showed that after one hour of group drumming even non-drummers were able to improve their immune systems, lower stress levels, be more creative and have more energy."



Shouldn't have mentioned drummers, bw...

http://www.drumjokes.com/

[Blue Wode]

Did you know that "Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) is an emotional version of acupuncture, but without the needles. Instead we tap on acupuncture points whilst using related phrases to the challenge identified."

And did you know that EFT has gained Continuing Professional Development (CPD) status with The College of Chiropractors, The McTimoney Chiropractors Association, and the Association of Master Herbalists?
http://www.theamt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=266 (http://www.theamt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=266)

[bindeweede]

Right! I'm going for Gold..

"Jan 7th. Start 2008 in the most positive way possible by invoking the Violet Flame which is a Universal force of alchemy which can transmute the lowest energies into the highest. This evening will include a meditation and energetic healing exercise invoking the Archangel Zadkiel and the Ascended Master, Saint-Germain who are the custodians of the Violet Flame and work on the 7th Ray. The Violet Flame can be used for a variety of cleansing alchemical purposes from clearing our energy body and our space to clearing away karmic ties. It also has the power to reveal the true nature of our spiritual destiny.

The evening will also touch on the many interesting lifetimes of Saint-Germain who was originally given the Reiki symbols in Atlantis. If you have a (cleansed) amethyst crystal, please bring it along! All attending will receive a complimentary (sic) copy of Take a Break's FATE & FORTUNE magazine"

[bindeweede]

And did you know that EFT has gained Continuing Professional Development (CPD) status with The College of Chiropractors, The McTimoney Chiropractors Association, and the Association of Master Herbalists?
http://www.theamt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=266 (http://www.theamt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=266)
As you've quoted from Skepdic........

http://skepdic.com/eft.html

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Right! I'm going for Gold..

"Jan 7th. Start 2008 in the most positive way possible by invoking the Violet Flame which is a Universal force of alchemy which can transmute the lowest energies into the highest. This evening will include a meditation and energetic healing exercise invoking the Archangel Zadkiel and the Ascended Master, Saint-Germain who are the custodians of the Violet Flame and work on the 7th Ray. The Violet Flame can be used for a variety of cleansing alchemical purposes from clearing our energy body and our space to clearing away karmic ties. It also has the power to reveal the true nature of our spiritual destiny.

The evening will also touch on the many interesting lifetimes of Saint-Germain who was originally given the Reiki symbols in Atlantis. If you have a (cleansed) amethyst crystal, please bring it along! All attending will receive a complimentary (sic) copy of Take a Break's FATE & FORTUNE magazine"


These chaps are amazing. An Archangel and an Ascended Master! Now, that's worth a wad of anyone's cash...

[bindeweede]

"As we journey through our own physical incarnation on this stage of life, it is comforting to know that we are, each day, watched over, protected and guided, by "Higher-Energy Vibration" Spirit Beings, who are each assigned to the one(s) they have agreed to "help through" the trials and tribulations of physical life, on this earth-school".

I just can't take any more of this utter shite. Goin to bed.

[SimonC]

Right! I'm going for Gold..

"Jan 7th. Start 2008 in the most positive way possible by invoking the Violet Flame which is a Universal force of alchemy which can transmute the lowest energies into the highest. This evening will include a meditation and energetic healing exercise invoking the Archangel Zadkiel and the Ascended Master, Saint-Germain who are the custodians of the Violet Flame and work on the 7th Ray. The Violet Flame can be used for a variety of cleansing alchemical purposes from clearing our energy body and our space to clearing away karmic ties. It also has the power to reveal the true nature of our spiritual destiny.

The evening will also touch on the many interesting lifetimes of Saint-Germain who was originally given the Reiki symbols in Atlantis. If you have a (cleansed) amethyst crystal, please bring it along! All attending will receive a complimentary (sic) copy of Take a Break's FATE & FORTUNE magazine"

Alchemy? ? ?

I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry, Bindeweede.

I thought the scientific method was a really, really good idea and gave us all lots of great and useful stuff. I'll miss it very much...

The dark-ages, by contrast, generally seem to have been pretty crappy, and I really don't understand why so many people seem completely determined to go through it all over again. >:-)

[bindeweede]

Alchemy? ? ?

I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry, Bindeweede.

I thought the scientific method was a really, really good idea and gave us all lots of great and useful stuff. I'll miss it very much...

The dark-ages, by contrast, generally seem to have been pretty crappy, and I really don't understand why so many people seem completely determined to go through it all over again. >:-)

I know what you mean. Some people will think I'm making all this stuff up. I simply do not have that kind of imagination! I will send the booklet I've been quoting from to anyone who does not believe me.

And I could quote pages and pages more from it.

[Blue Wode]

Here’s an interesting one, a ‘Metamorphic Technique’ practitioner:


The Metamorphic Technique takes the form of a light touch applied to the feet, the hands and the head. It is based on the principle that while we are developing in the womb we are affected by the way of being of our mother, the environment, the cosmos and other factors, so that by the time we are born certain physical, mental and behavioural patterns are already in place.

The Technique creates an environment where a person’s own life force can move to loosen the structures developed during this time, allowing self-healing and transformation to take place.

http://www.hazelrusso.com/metatech.html (http://www.hazelrusso.com/metatech.html)



and Prince Charles appears to be a fan…


In January 2000 I was commissioned by the Foundation for Integrated Health (http://www.fihealth.org.uk/) to carry out an analysis of good practice in integrated healthcare - the combining of complementary and orthodox medicine. This work is published as a book, "Integrated Healthcare - A Guide to Good Practice" (http://www.hazelrusso.com/book.html) published by the Foundation for Integrated Health.

http://www.hazelrusso.com/ (http://www.hazelrusso.com/)



Getting back on topic, it looks like the next generation of reiki practitioners is already being targeted:


REIKI KIDS is an introductory course for children between the ages of 7 and 11 years, equivalent to a Reiki I adult course.

-snip-

Children should bring along a teddy, a blanket and a lunchbox - we will provide the rest. There will be a ratio of 1 adult to 4 children.

-snip-

The cost of the training is £120.00 and includes a Certificate and Manual and also a surprise gift for each child.

http://www.reikiuk.com/reiki_kids.htm (http://www.reikiuk.com/reiki_kids.htm)




Wonder what the surprise gift is - reiki training vouchers for their friends?

[SimonC]

I know what you mean. Some people will think I'm making all this stuff up. I simply do not have that kind of imagination! I will send the booklet I've been quoting from to anyone who does not believe me.

And I could quote pages and pages more from it.

Unfortunately, I have no problem whatsoever in believing that you're quoting verbatim.

I just spent this evening in my local, and was introduced to a really pleasant lady who, after some generally light and enjoyable conversation, went on to tell me all about how her dog had recently died and about the medium she'd spoken to subsequently, who told her how content the animal now is 'in heaven'. And about the homeopathic pet medicine which so, so nearly saved her beloved pet...

It's so hard to know how to respond in that kind of situation. I feel like it's getting to the point where I feel like I'm the one being defensive, cynical or whatever in not just not going along with this stuff. Or even that I'm the 'weird' one for not automatically buying into it.

The worst bit was that she kept telling that that it all must have been real, because she's 'very sceptical by nature'...:-X

[bindeweede]

SimonC

Forgive me if you have seen this, but it deals with a similar issue.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1859

[SimonC]

SimonC

Forgive me if you have seen this, but it deals with a similar issue.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1859

Thank you, Bindeweede.

I had overlooked that particular thread, but it's certainly reassuring to know that I'm not the only skeptic who finds themself in this kind of 'awkward' conversational situation.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Unfortunately, I have no problem whatsoever in believing that you're quoting verbatim.

I just spent this evening in my local, and was introduced to a really pleasant lady who, after some generally light and enjoyable conversation, went on to tell me all about how her dog had recently died and about the medium she'd spoken to subsequently, who told her how content the animal now is 'in heaven'. And about the homeopathic pet medicine which so, so nearly saved her beloved pet...

It's so hard to know how to respond in that kind of situation. I feel like it's getting to the point where I feel like I'm the one being defensive, cynical or whatever in not just not going along with this stuff. Or even that I'm the 'weird' one for not automatically buying into it.

The worst bit was that she kept telling that that it all must have been real, because she's 'very sceptical by nature'...:-X

She needs to find a better pet psychic than that, she should be able to get better messages from her dog than just 'content'. Pah.

[Fiona]

Well it was pretty much all he could communicate when he was alive.....

I think you are asking too much, Farside ;)

[fruitfly]

Thirty quid for an hour's work? If only I wasn't burdened with a conscience I'd consider going in for a career as a Reiki practitioner. I wonder how many hours it takes to become qualified? ;)


:shocked: So for two hundred and sixty quid and a two day course I can set myself up as a Level 2 Reiki instructor? (Sorry about the absence of a pound sign but it has mysteriously disappeared from my computer).

Thirty quid per hour for consultations. Let's say three consultations a day, five days a week - that's four hundred and fifty quid. Less tax, of course, assuming that I don't keep my newfound skills a secret from the taxman.

Holy alternative medicine fraud, Batman, it's a license to print money!

Funnily enough, I’ve been thinking along the same lines. I’ve considered Reiki, psychic surgery, crystals, homeopathy (selling water to the sick) and all sorts of New Age/alt. med. "healing" as easy ways to make money. But then my conscience kicked in - scamming money from the sick just seems too dishonest and immoral. Looks like I’ll have to go back to my original plan and rob my local Post Office!

[Julia]

The bit about the Reiki courses for 7-11 year olds really made my blood boil. Children who attend them are bound to have parents who take this crap seriously, so the availability of such courses - run by highly qualified Reiki practitioners, no doubt - will reinforce their perception of woo being not only respectable but almost mainstream. How will these kids react to science lessons at school? This is why critical thinking should be part of the national curriculum and taught as early as possible. ::)

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

The bit about the Reiki courses for 7-11 year olds really made my blood boil. Children who attend them are bound to have parents who take this crap seriously, so the availability of such courses - run by highly qualified Reiki practitioners, no doubt - will reinforce their perception of woo being not only respectable but almost mainstream. How will these kids react to science lessons at school? This is why critical thinking should be part of the national curriculum and taught as early as possible. ::)

One word - INDIGO ::)

These parents no doubt think their children are special beyond belief.

[Julia]

Well, I suppose they're 'special' insofar as they are brought up with a 17th century mindset at the beginning of the 21st century. This sort of thing makes me volcanically mad - it's no different to indoctrinating children with religion. >:-) >:-) >:-)

[MischiefMonkey]

DO YOU HAVE A TRUE ANGEL STORY?

Well do you ? ;D




My Angel story involves a moderate concussion. Does that count?

[Fiona]

Well it is a plausible start ;)

[MischiefMonkey]

Well, I suppose they're 'special' insofar as they are brought up with a 17th century mindset at the beginning of the 21st century. This sort of thing makes me volcanically mad - it's no different to indoctrinating children with religion. >:-) >:-) >:-)

In a way it is worse than religion.

Religion is pretty impersonal. Anyone can believe in religion. But to be raised as an Indigo is to have pretty heavy expectations put on you.

A friend of my mother is a GP. As is her husband. They expected their daughter to do well in school and punished her by withdrawing birthday presents if she didn't do well in tests. Poor little Punam suffered from stress alopecia because of her parents expectations.

It took me until I was in my thirties and after psychiatric care to separate my happiness from trying to please my mother.

If any parent puts expectations on their child, the child is going to try to live up to them. And feel a failure and not worthy of their parents love if they fail. Look at cults where children put up with terrible conditions but will not leave.

I saw a documentary about Indigo children a couple of years ago. The overwhelming impression I got was that the parents put huge expectations on the children. I *think* Gary might have been in that documentary.

[Julia]

Really? We must look into that. As I've said before, unless Gary's parents buy into this crap they must be horrified by his choice of profession.

[MischiefMonkey]

The documentary was part of Channel 4's 'Cutting Edge'

I could easily be wrong about Gary being in it - it was a while ago. But the parents are certainly the instigators.

I am very uncomfortable about the whole Indigo Children concept.

[Julia]

A good article by Jon Ronson in the Grauniad:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/family/story/0,,1837295,00.html

[Julia]

...and a very funny, no-punches-pulled review of the show, which doesn't mention Gary by name:

http://aerialtelly.co.uk/cutting-edge.php

:cheesy: >:-)

[Blue Wode]

Here’s an interesting one:



As part of my work with Reiki, I send distant healing.

-snip-

I make a small charge of £30 for this. This gives distant healing once a week for one month.

http://reiki-mum.co.uk/healing.php (http://reiki-mum.co.uk/healing.php)



So do customers get their money back if the healing isn’t effective?

[seren]

She said Indigo children were springing up all over the world, all at once, unconnected to one another. There were tens of thousands of them, in every country. And their parents weren't all new age hippies. They were perfectly ordinary families who were realising how super-evolved and psychic their children were. This was a global phenomenon. Soon the Indigo children would rise up and heal the planet.

Save the cheerleader, save the world....

[seren]

Clip (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kehkXk518L8) from the Indigo Child documentary.

[siestatime]

Here’s an interesting one:



So do customers get their money back if the healing isn’t effective?



I very much doubt it. The usual spin on this is that if you don't get better, it's your negativity blocking the spiritual healing process.
Definitely a case of "Heads I win, tails you lose" ;)

I wish I weren't so damn honest, I would make a mint over here. Everyone seems to be into some sort of alternative crap.

[seren]

I could do it if my clients were just rich and neurotic. If their problems are all in their head I'd have no problem providing a cure that's all in their head. I would just refuse to see people until they had seen a GP first. After that, wave your arms around pointlessly and watch the money roll in, conscience free.

[dizzyblonde]

When I learned Reiki in the dim and distant past, the payment was for the time and space provided - NOT the healing....... Reiki is said to work on all levels - mental, emotional and physical, so the healing will go to the level that needs most support.

I never managed to make a living as a Reiki healer. I did teach many people Reiki and that was a great boost to my finances (yes, declared to the tax man as small earnings through self employment - there are some law abiding woo-ists out there!). But the market place is now flooded with Reiki this that and the other, which is why EFT for example is becoming popular - there are very few practitioners in the UK at present.

[Blue Wode]

Reiki is said to work on all levels - mental, emotional and physical, so the healing will go to the level that needs most support.

Who says that and what qualifies he/she/them to say it?


I did teach many people Reiki

That’s interesting. In what way did you deal with the ethical problems attached to the teaching of such a CAM therapy? In other words, I’d be interested to know how you managed to overcome the 'dilemmas at the heart of alternative medicine' as highlighted by Professor David Colquhoun here:


In the absence of specific research, it seems reasonable to suppose that individuals who are susceptible to placebo effects, will get the best results if their treatment is surrounded by as much impressive mumbo jumbo as possible.

This suggests that, in order to maximise the placebo effect, it will be important to lie to the patient as much as possible, and certainly to disguise from them the fact that, for example, their homeopathic pill contains nothing but lactose.

Therein lies the dilemma. The whole trend in medicine has been to be more open with the patient and to tell them the truth.To maximise the benefit of alternative medicine, it is necessary to lie to the patient as much as possible.

As if telling lies to patients were not enough, the dilemma has another aspect, which is also almost always overlooked. Who trains CAM practitioners? Are the trainers expected to tell their students the same lies? Certainly that is the normal practice at the moment.

http://dcscience.net/?page_id=10 (http://dcscience.net/?page_id=10)




But the market place is now flooded with Reiki this that and the other, which is why EFT for example is becoming popular - there are very few practitioners in the UK at present.


I’m confused. If Reiki works in the way that you claim “on all levels - mental, emotional and physical, so the healing will go to the level that needs most support”, and the demand for it is being satisfied, then why is EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) becoming popular?

[Admin]

Reiki is said to work on all levels - mental, emotional and physical, so the healing will go to the level that needs most support.

Isn't Reiki amazing?

Not only does the practitioner not need any ability in diagnosing illness/disease, they don't even have to be present to administer the treatment!

There's no chance of overdosing on Reiki and the practitioner just sends it and the 'energy' knows where to go and what to do!

Practitioners believe that Reiki energy is "intelligent".


But the market place is now flooded with Reiki this that and the other, which is why EFT for example is becoming popular - there are very few practitioners in the UK at present.

Nice to see that these magical healing systems actually do conform to some sort of reality - market forces. ;)

[dizzyblonde]

Who says that and what qualifies he/she/them to say it?

Some references for you:

Alandydy, P. & Alandydy, K. (1999) Using Reiki to support surgical patients. Journal of Nursing Care Quality, 113, 4, 89-91
Algarin, R., (1995) Using Reiki as a harm reduction tool and as a stress management technique for participants and self. Northeast Conference: Drugs, Sex and Harm Reducation Conference Syllabus, (1995), Harm Reduction Coalition and the Drug Policy Foundation, the ACLU AIDS Project and the CityUniversity of New York.
Barberis, L., (1996) il Reiki: terapia esoterica o interazione quantistica? Abstracts from European Colloquium on Ethnopharmacology 3, 87
Barnett, L., & Chambers, M. (1996) Reiki energy medicine: Bringing healing touch into home, hospital, and hospice. Vermont, U.S.A: Healing Arts Press.
Behar, M. (1997) Reiki; bridging tradition & complementary healing techniques. OT Practice; 2, 2, 22-23
Biley, F. C. (1993) Energy fields nursing: A brief encounter of the unitary kind. International Journal of Nursing Studies, 30, 6, 519-525.
Brewitt, B., Vittetoe, T., Hartwell, (1997) The efficacy of Reiki hands-on healing: improvements in spleen and nervous system function as quantified by electrodermal screening. Alternative Therapies3, 4, 89
Available from Hartwell Healing & Health, 2850 228th S.E. #D, Issaqauah, WA 98029
Brown, F. (1992)Ancient Reiki accepted at a modern American Hospital. The Journal of Awareness. pp. 3,16.
Bucholtz, R. A. (1996) The use of Reiki therapy in the treatment of pain in rheumatoid arthritis. Unpublished master's thesis, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh, Oshkosh, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
Bullock, M., (1997a) Introduction to Reiki: A complementary therapy for life. Alternative Therapies in Clinical Practice 4, 2, 41-43
Bullock, M., (1997b)Reiki: A complementary therapy for life. American Journal of Hospice and Palliative Care, 14, 1, 31-33
Clark, L. (1988) Reiki in a G.P. Practice: A Report based on 29 patients over the period 5.10.99 - 25.7.01. Unpublished. (More ....) (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/refsdoc.html)
Dressen L. J. & Singg S., (1997) Effects of Reiki on Pain and selected affective and personality variables of chronically ill Patients. Subtle Energies & Energy Medicine, 9, 1, 51-82
Engebretson, J. & Wardell, D. (2002). Experience of a Reiki Session, Alternative Therapies, 8, 2, 48-53
Harris, D. & James B.H. The Mystery and Meaning of Reiki. Unpublished.
Available from Hartwell Healing and Health 2850 228th S.E. #D, Issaquah, WA 98029
Hartwell, B., Brewitt, Dr. B. (1997) The efficacy of Reiki hands-on healing - Improvements in adrenal, spleen and nervous function as quantified by electro-dermal screening. Alternative Therapies Symposium, Florida 1997. Alternative Therapies, 3, 4, 89.
http://www.oz.net/~hartwell/research/ResearchStudy.htm (http://www.oz.net/~hartwell/research/ResearchStudy.htm)
Kelly, S. (1998) Study Finds Distant Healing Therapy helps AIDS patients. California Pacific Medical Centre Complementary Medicine Research Institute,
www.reikimaster.net/enerav/htm healing@intuition.orgmailing-list (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/www.reikimaster.net/enerav/htm%20healing_intuition.html)
Kennedy, P. (2001) Working with survivors of torture in Sarajevo with Reiki, Complementary Therapies in Nursing and Midwifery, 7, 4-
Kozina, N.K. (1997) Reiki. Easten School. Parapsikhologiia I Psikhofizika, 1, 23, 108-111
Litchfield, G. (1999) Reiki Healing. Journal of Natural Medicine 3, 1, 3-4
Lubeck, W., Petter, F.A. and Rand, W.L. (2001) The Spirit of Reiki. Twin Lakes, Lotus Press.
Mailoo, V.J. (2002) A brief introduction to Reiki.British Journal of Therapy & Rehabilitation. May;9(5):190-3
Mailoo, V.J.(2001) Reiki to Reduce Anxiety:A Literature Review.Journal of Chartered Physiotherapists in Mental Healthcare. Jun;18 13-17.
Mansour A, Laing G, Nurse J, & Denilkewich A. (1998) The Experience of Reiki: Five Middle-Aged Women in the Midwest, Journal of Alternative and Complementary Therapies; 4, 3, 211-217
Mansour, A., Beuche, M., Laing, G., Leis A., & Nurse, J. (1999) A Study to Test the Effectiveness of Placebo Reiki Standardization Procedures Developed for a Planned Reiki Efficacy Study, The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, New York 5, 2, 153-164.
Mansour A, Beuche M, Laing G, Leis A, Nurse J. (1999) A Study to Test the Effectiveness of Placebo Reiki Standardization Procedures Developed for a Planned Reiki Efficacy Study, The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine; 5, 2, 153-164
McCabe, P., Ramsey, L., & Taylor, B. (1995) Complementary therapies in relation to nursing practice in Australia (Discussion Paper No. 2). Canberra, Australia: Royal College of Nursing Australia.
McGoldrick, J.R. (1997) Invisible Force: 'Subtle Energy' therapies such as Acupuncture, Reiki & Therapeutic touch are showing results and steadily gaining respect among psychotherapists. Common Boundary Dec,15, 6,22, 24-30
Milton, G., & Chapman, E., (1995) The benefits of Reiki treatment in drug and alcohol rehabilitation programs. Pathways to healing: Enhancing Life through Complementary Therapies, Conference Proceedings, Sept, 24-25 Canberra: Royal College of Nursing, Australia
Moccia, V.C. & De Martino, M. (1996) Le vie del Reiki: il recupero dell'inita. Abstracts from European Colloquium on Ethnopharmacology, 3, 88
Neklason, Zale T. (1987) The effects of Reiki treatment on telepathy and personality traits. Thesis (MS in Counselling) 80 pages - Calif. State University, Hayward - Contact Staroazerl7@hotmail.com (Staroazerl7@hotmail.com)
Nield-Anderson, L. Ameling, A. (2000) The Empowering Nature of Reiki as a Complementary Therapy. Holistic Nursing Practice, 14, 3, 21-29
No Author (1997) Reiki: Tapping the unseen self. International Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 15, 9, 22-23
No Author (1998) Reiki; a balancing therapy. International Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 16, 2, 22-23
No Author (1998) Reiki: Im Einklang mit dem Universum. Therapiewoche, Basel, 14, 8, 326
No Author (1999) Remedy Brief: REIKI This Japanese system of energy healing is used for acute and chronic pain. Natural Health - Massachusetts, Sept, p41
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Potter J. (2004) Science and Healing: A Reiki Focus. Unpub. workshop handout used at the UK Reiki Federation Festival 2004. more.... (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/refsheal.html)
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(www.reiki.org) (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/www.reiki.html)
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(www.reiki.org) (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/www.reiki.html)
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(www.reiki.org) (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/www.reiki.html)
Rivera, C. (1999) Reiki Therapy - A tool for Wellness. Imprint - New York - National Student Nurses Association, 46, 2, 31-33
Rosentiel, L. (1991) Hypnosis and Reiki. Journal of Hypnotism, Dec; 8-10
Sabrina, T. (2000) The Science Behind Reiki - What Happens in a Treatment?
UK Reiki Federation website (www.reikifed.co.uk (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/www.reikifed.co.html))
Sawyer, J. (1998)Clinical Exemplars; the first Reiki practitioner in our OR. AORN Journal, 67, 3, 674-77
Schlitz, M. & Braud, W. (1985) Reiki-Plus natural healing: an ethnographic/experimental study. PSI Research, Sept/Dec; 4, 3-4, 100-123.
Available from Mind Science Foundation, 8301 Broadway, #100, San Antonia, TX 78209
Tattum A., (1994) Reiki - healing and dealing. Australian Nursing Journal. Aug; 2, 2, 3
Thornton, L. (1991) The effects of energetic healing on female nursing students. Unpublished master's thesis, California State University, Fresno, California.
Thornton, L. (1996a) A study of Reiki, an energy field treatment, using Rogers' science. Rogerian Science News, 8 (3), 14 - 15
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Available from Lucia Thorton, (Lucia_marie_thorton@CSU.fresno.edu) 12592 Valley Vista Lane, Fresno, CA 93720
Thorton, L. (1996b) A study of Reiki using Rogers' Science, Part II. Spring; Vol VIII, 4 - availability, as above
Available from Lucia Thorton, (Lucia_marie_thorton@CSU.fresno.edu)12592 Valley Vista Lane, Fresno, CA 93720
Van Sell, SL. (1996) Reiki: an ancient touch therapy. RN. Feb; 59,2, 57-59
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Available from Wendy Wetzel, 452 Dahlia Street, Fairfield CA 94533
Whelan, K. M. & Wishnia, G. S. (2003) Reiki therapy: The benefits to a nurse/Reiki practitioner. Holistic Nursing Practice, 17, 4, 209-
Whitsitt, T., (1998) Reiki Therapy Journal of Christian Nursing, 15; 1, 12-13
Wirth, D.P., Brenlan, D.R. Levine, R.J. Rodrigues, C.M. (1993) The effect of complementary healing therapy on postoperative pain after surgical removal of impacted third molar teeth. Complementary Therapies in Medicine; 1, 133-138
Wirth, D.P. et al (1994) Complementary healing therapies. International Journal Psychosom, 41, 1-4, 61-67
Wirth, D.P. et al (1996a) Wound healing and complementary therapies: a review. Alternative & Complementary Medicine; 2, 4, 493-502
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[DrS]

One or two more for you:



There is no evidence that clinical Reiki's effects are due to anything other than suggestion, or that they are superior to massage or any other healing ritual. Reiki's metaphysical beliefs may be in conflict with an individual patient's religious beliefs. Full disclosure of the belief system should precede its use in any setting. An investigation of proponent literature casts serious doubt as to whether Reiki practitioners can be trusted with such full disclosure. Reiki literature presents misinformation as fact, and instructs practitioners on how to skirt the law in order to protect themselves from regulation and accountability. (my bold)

Bullock M. "Reiki: a comprehensive therapy for life". American Journal of Hospice and Palliative Care 14:31-3, 1997.


The American Medical Massage Association (AMMA) has issued a position statement denouncing six categories of metaphysical, paranormal, and pseudoscientific practices that are part of the massage therapy marketplace. The paper states that many subjects taught in massage schools and/or practiced by massage therapists are "so extreme in nature as to constitute health care fraud." The objectionable practices include reiki, polarity therapy, therapeutic touch, touch for health, crystal healing, craniosacral therapy, subtle energy, aroma energy, aura reading, hypnotherapeutic massage, chakra healing, five-element healing, vibrational healing, zero balancing, emotional balancing, unwinding, and many others. AMMA was founded in 1998 to promote medical massage therapy as an allied health care profession and to differentiate it from other forms of massage. It seeks this goal through professional standards, education, and testing. Noting that "the situation . . . has advanced to the point of becoming a serious problem that is adversely affecting the overall professional image and reputation of massage therapy in the United States, AMMA will no longer accept fringe massage courses for continuing education. (my bold).

Consumer Health Digest, December 13, 2005

[Janot]

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Some references for you:

Can you point to one which says something positive about Reiki?

[Mongrel]

Well only 3 journals from that list were listed in Pubmed and, whilst not having read them, there's one that I'd take with a lump of salt. The rest are Books, magazine articles or conference transcripts.

Rather than trying to overwhelm us with a cut 'n' pasted link list (http://www.reiki-research.co.uk/references.html) can you pick two or three good articles bolstering the case for Reiki?

[DrS]

Rather than trying to overwhelm us with a cut 'n' pasted link list ... at least one of which argues against Reiki ... as I've quoted above. ;D

[Mongrel]

... at least one of which argues against Reiki ... as I've quoted above. ;D


Habit - I see a deluge of dubious links and I switch off ;)

[siestatime]

http://www.reiki.nu/treatment/healing/aurashield/aurashield.html

Just what you need to get through the January sales crowds :cheesy:

[DrS]

Mmm ...
What is an Aurashield? The best analogy I can give will be from Star Trek or some similar Science Fiction story, what protection does most spaceships in these stories have? Force fields! Now there's a surprise ^-^

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Since Reiki seems to posit a field surrounding a person's body, it should be testable in the same way as Therapeutic Touch:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/316/7137/1037/n

Does anyone know whether this has been done?

[Blue Wode]

Some references for you:

-snip-




Dizzyblonde, as Mongrel has already asked, please would you pick two or three good articles which bolster the case for reiki.

Also, I’m still interested to know how you managed to overcome Professor David Colquhoun’s ‘dilemmas at the heart of alternative medicine’ when you taught reiki…




In the absence of specific research, it seems reasonable to suppose that individuals who are susceptible to placebo effects, will get the best results if their treatment is surrounded by as much impressive mumbo jumbo as possible.

This suggests that, in order to maximise the placebo effect, it will be important to lie to the patient as much as possible, and certainly to disguise from them the fact that, for example, their homeopathic pill contains nothing but lactose.

Therein lies the dilemma. The whole trend in medicine has been to be more open with the patient and to tell them the truth. To maximise the benefit of alternative medicine, it is necessary to lie to the patient as much as possible.

As if telling lies to patients were not enough, the dilemma has another aspect, which is also almost always overlooked. Who trains CAM practitioners? Are the trainers expected to tell their students the same lies? Certainly that is the normal practice at the moment.

http://dcscience.net/?page_id=10 (http://dcscience.net/?page_id=10)

…and why EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) is becoming popular when you have indicated that the demand for reiki - which you claim works “on all levels - mental, emotional and physical, so the healing will go to the level that needs most support” – is being more than satisfied.

Finally, I’d be interested in your thoughts on Dr Harriet Hall’s review of this book:

Energy Medicine

A review of Energy Medicine: The Scientific Basis
by James L. Oschman. London: Churchill Livingstone,
an imprint of Harcourt Publishers Limited, 2000. 274 pp.
ISBN 0-443-06261-7

by Harriet Hall, MD
Skeptic Magazine, Vol. 11, Nr. 3, 2005
http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2006/01/review-of-energy-medicine-scientific.html (http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2006/01/review-of-energy-medicine-scientific.html)



…James Oschman believes that the phenomena of energy medicine can be studied, measured, and explained by science without invoking any mysterious life forces or unmeasurable subtle energies. He marshals a large body of experimental evidence and argument to try to support his thesis.

-snip-

Oschman concludes that energy medicine was discovered before its time, but now the time has come to integrate it into scientific knowledge. There is probably no single "life force" or "healing energy." Instead, there is an interaction of many electrical, magnetic, elastic, acoustic, thermal, gravitational, and photonic energies, and possibly other subtle energies that remain to be discovered. He claims that there is a growing body of evidence for energy healing, but that even carefully controlled studies have been dismissed, simply because science does not recognize their rationale. This is not true; the positive evidence is of poor quality and is outweighed by the negative evidence that this book consistently refuses to acknowledge.

-snip-

This book masquerades as science, but it amounts to little more than speculation and polemic in support of a preconceived belief. The tragedy is that energy medicine believers now have a book whose very title may lead them to think there is "proof" that their experiences have a scientific basis. Many scientifically naïve readers will be convinced. Critical thinkers will not.


Thank you.

[bindeweede]

Isn't Reiki amazing?

Not only does the practitioner not need any ability in diagnosing illness/disease, they don't even have to be present to administer the treatment!

There's no chance of overdosing on Reiki and the practitioner just sends it and the 'energy' knows where to go and what to do!

Practitioners believe that Reiki energy is "intelligent".



Nice to see that these magical healing systems actually do conform to some sort of reality - market forces. ;)

I was walking past the Isis Crystals shop yesterday, and noticed that all of the flyers on the windows referring to crystal healing, angelic healing, reiki, angelic reiki, crystal reiki, psychic surgery - had gone! They were definitely there before Christmas. The only one left is to do with connecting with angels, so harmless enough.

Still, as the business is up for sale - £350,000 + stock at cost - perhaps Philip Permutt, the owner, wants to tidy up the look of the shop. Or discourage Trading Standards from getting too interested. Anyway, in his introduction to "Winter Happenings", Philip wrote,

"So here we are at this festive time of year. Incredible isn't it... wherever you go, there you are. And this keeps happening whatever you do. You keep finding yourself here. Some people travel the world "searching for themselves" only to eventually find that they are who they are whether they are here, there, anywhere or nowhere in particular."

I'll have a think about that while I'm Brassoing my aura.

Oh, and in the 1-day Crystal Reiki course (£55) you get a " practical hands on day with techniques for self-healing and treating others".

But I thought reiki was "hands-off". Oh well, I must need a good channelling.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I was walking past the Isis Crystals shop yesterday, .....

You are spending an unhealthy amount of time near this shop now :tongue:

[ZERO]

I was walking past the Isis Crystals shop yesterday...

Sounds like the opening line of a comedy routine.

..oh, it was. :cheesy:

[Julia]

"So here we are at this festive time of year. Incredible isn't it... wherever you go, there you are. And this keeps happening whatever you do. You keep finding yourself here. Some people travel the world "searching for themselves" only to eventually find that they are who they are whether they are here, there, anywhere or nowhere in particular."



Wow, like...profound, dude! :confused:

And Bindeweede, don't overdo it with the Brasso or you'll rub a hole in your aura. I speak from bitter experience - it's never the same afterwards even if you plug it with ectoplasm.

[bindeweede]

The current owner of the shop is also very versatile. This is from
www.thecrystalhealer.co.uk (http://www.thecrystalhealer.co.uk)


Philip Permutt discovered crystals fifteen or so years ago after a severe illness. He has been practising as a crystal healer and teacher ever since. He owns and runs iSiS Crystals, one of the largest and most successful crystal shops in the UK with its integral healing centre. Philip is a dowser and uses this ability, together with the magic of crystals, to change the energies in homes, offices and shops. Traditional Taoist healing, Reiki, shamanism, past-life regression, soul retrieval and sound and drama therapy are additional skills, and he is also a psychic and medium, working loosely with his spirit guides. He runs courses and workshops on many of these subjects.


Philip has lectured on crystals and crystal healing and has a degree in Applied Biology from London University. Philip’s articles have been published electronically and in journals

Oddly, when I entered "London University" and "Applied Biology" in the Timesonline college and course finder, both searches came up with a blank. Still, his studies may have been some time ago.

[DrS]

It seems from what I can find out that it's not a course offered by mainstream biology departments, but it's being offered out of the University of East London ... which is NOT part of London University. Not being sniffy about it, but it's one of the newer Polytechnics (from the 1970s) which which was granted university status in the early 1990s.

Have a look HERE (http://www.uel.ac.uk/hab/life/bsc_applied_bio.htm).

[bindeweede]

It seems from what I can find out that it's not a course offered by mainstream biology departments, but it's being offered out of the University of East London ... which is NOT part of London University. Not being sniffy about it, but it's one of the newer Polytechnics (from the 1970s) which which was granted university status in the early 1990s.

Have a look HERE (http://www.uel.ac.uk/hab/life/bsc_applied_bio.htm).

Very useful. Thanks. It is the implicit link between crystal healing and Applied Biology that some people might make more of than there is.

[DrS]

It is being made to sound very linked, as far as I can see, so it's far more than implicit ... just like the claim that the degree came from "London" University. Yeah right. ::)

[bindeweede]

It is being made to sound very linked, as far as I can see, so it's far more than implicit ... just like the claim that the degree came from "London" University. Yeah right. ::)

DrS,

It is as you suggested.
The University has been a major provider of higher education in East London for over 100 years, and traces its origins back to three local institutions: the West Ham College of Technology, founded in 1898 as the West Ham Municipal Institute; the Barking Regional College of Technology, formerly the South East Essex Technical College and School of Art; and the Waltham Forest Technical College and School of Art, formerly the South West Essex Technical College and School of Art. In 1970 these three institutions were brought together to form the North East London Polytechnic, later renamed the Polytechnic of East London. In 1992, Privy Council consent to the title, the University of East London was granted. The University currently occupies three main campuses in Barking, Stratford and Docklands, but is planning to vacate the Barking site whilst developing a Lifelong Learning Centre in the borough in collaboration with partner colleges, the borough education service and the public library service. Since 2004 the Docklands Campus has hosted the Rix Centre for Innovation and Learning Disability, which harnesses the power of interactive multimedia and the internet to benefit people with learning disabilities, their families and carers around the world.

[bindeweede]

Well, I suppose it's abit off my own thread, but today, I was walking........well......and from the same shop....

"No Hands Massage".

I wonder how that works.....................................?

[Fiona]

They rub their noses together?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Well, I suppose it's abit off my own thread, but today, I was walking........well......and from the same shop....

"No Hands Massage".

I wonder how that works.....................................?

Someone who lost their hands in an industrial accident and uses the remaining limb stubs for the massage?

[bindeweede]

Someone who lost their hands in an industrial accident and uses the remaining limb stubs for the massage?

Perhaps you just lie there and imagine what the massage would feel like, before you hand over your £30 or whatever.

[Fiona]

I think it is an unnecessary indulgence to presume you would lie anywhere. That would be expensive because you would need premises; or if you lie down in you own home it would at the very least mean you were wasting time. I am sure that it is perfectly possible to have a hands off massage while going about your daily business as usual. Time is money, Bindeweede!!

[bindeweede]

I think it is an unnecessary indulgence to presume you would lie anywhere. That would be expensive because you would need premises; or if you lie down in you own home it would at the very least mean you were wasting time. I am sure that it is perfectly possible to have a hands off massage while going about your daily business as usual. Time is money, Bindeweede!!

Well, I have had 2 traditional massages - I get very tight in the neck/shoulder area, and they both left me giddy.

On the other hand, I'm walking about in a giddy/dizzy state most of the time.;D So a hands off might be helpful.

I wonder if you can download a nice massage from the internet..:cheesy:

[Julia]

Why not? It seems possible to send other forms of woo healing over the internet, through the phone line and by post!

[Spiritual Surgeon]

Blessings Julia

I'm sad to see you have found someone else to pick fault with, another well intentioned Healer, there's a surprise.

We want to help you if you will let us?

We want to find out what has happened in your life that you mistrust other's so much. Perhaps you lost someone close to you who could have been helped with Healing but it was not offered or perhaps you didn't think it could work?

There are good Qualified counsellors that can help you if you would just try and give them a chance.

We continue to pray for you that you will find unconditional love.

Bless you Julia

Nemaste

[Civilised Worm]

We want to help you confirm or falsify your claims, why won't you let us?

[Cuddles]

We want to help you if you will let us?

You can play the caring spiritualist all you like, but we and you both know that you are not only a fraud, but one directly responsible for causing pain, suffering and quite possibly death in as many people as you possibly can. Stop with the new age bollocks and either at least pretend to justify yourself or stop wasting everyone's time.

[Julia]

You could start by using your own name. Don't you find it embarassing to call yourself 'Spiritual Surgeon' now you've been rumbled? ;)

[Pebble]

The current owner of the shop is also very versatile. This is from
www.thecrystalhealer.co.uk (http://www.thecrystalhealer.co.uk)



Oddly, when I entered "London University" and "Applied Biology" in the Timesonline college and course finder, both searches came up with a blank. Still, his studies may have been some time ago.


I can find no publications by Permutt P in PubMed or Google scholar. Google returns no 'peer reviewed' publications on iSiS crystals.

[bindeweede]

I can find no publications by Permutt P in PubMed or Google scholar. Google returns no 'peer reviewed' publications on iSiS crystals.

I don't really think a "crystal healer" would go anywhere near peer reviews, because the idea is sillybilly stuff. But hey, "Prediction Magazine" thought "The Crystal Healer" was "Terrific".

What more could you want?

[Pebble]

Fair enough; but if the promotional literature specifically refers to electronic and journal publications by this supposed expert, sounds like the trade descriptions act is not being enforced.

[bindeweede]

Fair enough; but if the promotional literature specifically refers to electronic and journal publications by this supposed expert, sounds like the trade descriptions act is not being enforced.

Yes, and of course he doesn't say WHERE these articles have been published. But then he wouldn't, would he? In the same way as his so-called degree will almost certainly be non-verifiable.

[bindeweede]

If only you were in St Albans. Feb 23 and 24 Reiki Level 1. 10am -5pm.
" Take your first steps along your new Reiki path. Whether it is for self healing, healing others, personal or spiritual development or just out of interest. £110".

Level 2 March 15 & 16. £150.

BUT, "Angelic Reiki" levels 1 & 2 - £252, but that includes a crystal and a certificate.

I'll PM you the phone number if you are interested.

www.angelicreiki.org (http://www.angelicreiki.org)

Just a little more info.





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Angelic Reiki differs from traditional Reiki systems because the healer channels at Angelic vibration, so the healing is very pure. The Angels themselves do all the attunements and administer the healing in this system through the Angelic Kingdom of Light. Although symbols are given, it is not a requirement that the student memorise any of them. The Reiki symbols, and much more, are integrated into your energy body at the time of attunement.
During the healing, the giver is simply a channel, a bridge, whereby the energy of the Angelic Kingdom is passed to the receiver. The healing energy deals with the root cause of the problem rather than the effect or symptom, therefore allowing the body to heal itself on all levels. The healer does not have to worry if they gave the correct symbols or if they concentrated on the correct place for the healing. Every healing is perfect in its conception and transmission.
BACKGROUND TO THE REIKI SYSTEM

The Reiki system was devised in ancient Atlantis. It was created by a high priest at the temple of healing, who is known as the Ascended Master, St. Germain. Many of the Atlanteans who were considered spiritually and physically backwards were used as slaves and not treated as equals. St. Germain sought to find a technique and way to equalize the spiritual development of all Atlanteans in order to abolish and ban race differences. St. Germain was given a number of symbols that could be projected directly into the energy of an individual, this would raise their vibration. Therefore, any spiritual and physical imbalances that held back the individual’s development would be transmuted back to pure balance.

Angelic Reiki continues that ethos as it is the vibration of pure unconditional love and equality for all as one.

THE ANGELIC REIKI SYSTEM

The divine vibration (the Divine energy is the combined power and the combined/pure energy of “all that is”) comes in on the Reiki symbols and attunes the person giving the healing and the client to their soul energy. During an Angelic Reiki session both the person giving the healing and the receiver, benefit from a down pouring of soul energy which bathes them in unconditional love and raises their consciousness so they are once again returned to balance and health.

THE GIFTS OF THIS WORKSHOP

During the workshop you will be introduced to the Reiki symbols, their power and energy and how they are used by the angels and the person giving the healing with integrity and intent. You will be attuned to a healing angel who becomes your own individual healing angel to work with from that moment forth. Your angel will assist you with your own healing and when you become the connection for the angels to send their healing through, they will guide and help you in your sessions with your clients.

This method of connecting to the healing angels is so simple unlike other forms of Reiki where there is a need to learn hand held positions and to draw the symbols and use them in a correct way to ensure success. This system concentrates on connecting to the Divine energies and not how many names of Masters or Angels you can remember. This gives you the freedom to enjoy your own individual experience that is perfect for you. You are reassured that as you are working with the Angelic Reiki you can never get it wrong and will give the perfect healing session.

Through the initiations anything that no longer serves you is removed and you are prepared to be a clear connection for the angels. It does not matter if you do not have the gift to see angels or feel them yet, this system works with powerful intention.

Whether you are already using your gifts or not, Angelic Reiki is perfect for beginners and experienced alike. Your confidence and experience will grow throughout the various initiations and healing methods that you will learn. We work in a loving supportive energy where you have the freedom to grow and ask questions. The support does not end with the workshop.







During the workshop you will receive:-

* Full attunement to Angelic Reiki 1 & 2 Degree, which includes 8 Divine Multidimensional symbols.

* An attunement to the Angelic Kingdom of Light.

* Information regarding Self-Healing.

* Information regarding Absent/Distance Healing.

* Experience of Multidimensional and Past life healing.

* Advice on healing treatment practicalities.

* A Master Crystal to hold the Divine Angelic Codes of Healing.

* A comprehensive Practitioner’s Manual.

* A Certificate of Training Achievement to 1st and 2nd Degree in Angelic Reiki which enables you to offer Angelic Reiki sessions.

* Ongoing support after the workshop.

The abundance exchange for this weekend workshop is £252.

The workshop is presented by Jayn-Lee Miller, Master Teacher. Jayn-Lee believes learning should be shared in a comfortable down-to-earth and simple way in an atmosphere that is fun, friendly, stimulating, loving and totally supportive. Jayn-Lee is
prepared to travel to any location to teach Angelic Reiki which she is passionate about!

CONTACT DETAILS FOR MORE INFORMATION OR TO BOOK A PLACE Jayn-Lee Miller Tel: 08456 123404 info@angelicreiki.org (info@angelicreiki.org) www.angelicreiki.org (http://www.angelicreiki.org/)

ABOUT THE TEACHER, JAYN-LEE MILLER, ACE, AHP

Jayn-Lee became the Founder Director of Splashdown Water Birth Services in January 1989 when her son, Nathan, was one of the first babies born in a water birth pool. She is a natural medium working with the Angelic Realm and a qualified Angel Healing Practitioner and Crystal Healing Therapist. Jayn-Lee currently writes the Angel Advice pages every month for “Take a Break’s FATE & FORTUNE” magazine.

As well as practising and teaching Angelic Reiki, Jayn-Lee works with Inspired Artist, Pattie Greenberg, who paints portraits of Guardian Angels and they offer workshops connecting people with their guardian angels. Jayn-Lee also offers Angel Readings and Angel Healing processes in person or by ‘phone and runs her own Angel Healing Practitioner Diploma Course. She is also available for Wedding Ceremonies and Baby Namings. Jayn-Lee has found that Angelic Reiki is the missing piece of the jigsaw to her life connecting her work with pregnant mothers, babies and children, crystals and angels.

Well, what do you say.........................................?

[Pebble]

"The Angels themselves do all the attunements and administer the healing in this system through the Angelic Kingdom of Light. "

Just shows how impossible it is to deal with these nutters. There is always an unexpected level to which no sensible person could have expected them to descend to.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

"The Angels themselves do all the attunements and administer the healing in this system through the Angelic Kingdom of Light. "

Just shows how impossible it is to deal with these nutters. There is always an unexpected level to which no sensible person could have expected them to descend to.

What part of that is it you have a problem with? The angels? :cheesy:

[siestatime]

I'm sorry, kindspeede, but when I got to the bit about the Ascended Master and angels it reminded me of Doctor Who :cheesy:

The "abundance exchange" - don'cha just love that expression!

The "fleecing tariff" would be nearer the mark, methinks ;)

[Pebble]

What part of that is it you have a problem with? The angels? :cheesy:

Yes and No. Invoking angels is pretty weird, but it also means that there is no definition of Reiki healing only a plethora of individual definitions. Disproving the technique would have to be undertaken one nutter at a time, with twenty new variations appearing by the time one had successfully dealt with one. Like mercury (aka nutters) and a fork (aka Skeptics).

[siestatime]

Yes and No. Invoking angels is pretty weird, but it also means that there is no definition of Reiki healing only a plethora of individual definitions. Disproving the technique would have to be undertaken one nutter at a time, with twenty new variations appearing by the time one had successfully dealt with one. Like mercury (aka nutters) and a fork (aka Skeptics).

Or a many-headed Hydra.
*thinks about cutting heads off* :smiley:

I think that the basic idea is the same, you spend a lot of money to be empowered, either by divine help, symbols, or some other nonsense.

This is good marketing practice, actually. The old-fashioned, made-in-Japan-by Dr.-Usui crap has been upgraded by a more expensive load of crap, and administered by angels, no less!

Stand by for the next new improved version, handed down by Archangels. Or Saints.

Oh, this one was invented by Saint Germain.
I've heard of his sister, Paris Saint-Germain. :cheesy:

[bindeweede]

Siestatime


I've heard of his sister, Paris Saint-Germain.
I thought Paris Saint-Germain was something really interesting, like an old railway station. But I think it's a football team:sad:.

[bindeweede]

This is from the Reiki Association.....

Monetary Exchange: Each step of the Reiki path has a specific monetary fee: $150 US for first degree, $500 for second degree and $10,000 for Mastery. The fees call out a student's commitment at each level and lead the student into a deeper understanding of the energy of money.

Precepts: These are a spiritual teaching and code of ethics for daily living. They are:

Just for today do not worry,
Just for today do not anger.
Honour your parents, teachers and elders,
Earn your living honestly,
Show gratitude to every living thing.

My Bold.

Is there something wrong with me, or do I see just a hint of a contradiction here?

[bindeweede]

Well, if you want to learn about reiki....
LEARNING REIKI

If you are interested in learning Reiki you need to find a suitable Reiki Master, who can teach you First Degree.

The Reiki Association does not give specific information about Masters and their classes. However we publish a directory of Reiki Masters in the UK who are members of the Association. This is not an accredited list and does not imply any recommendation. However it does give information about where Masters teach and other background information. It also includes some guidance for choosing a Reiki Master. This directory is continually updated with the latest information.

The MASTERS DIRECTORY is available on CD to view on your computer, or it can be supplied in printed format.
Price: £5.00 to non-members, £4.00 to members (please quote your membership No.)

If you would like a copy of this Masters Directory please send your request, STATING CLEARLY THE VERSION you prefer, CD or PRINTED, including a cheque/postal order for the correct amount to:

Libby Walsh
7 Castell Close,
Trowbridge,
Wilts,
BA14 7UJ

Or email: mastersdirectory@reikiassociation.org.uk (mastersdirectory@reikiassociation.org.uk)


Don't forget, the list is non-accredited.

[bindeweede]

Oh, and more, on training. Can you believe it?

WHAT TRAINING WILL THE PRACTITIONER HAVE HAD?

At present there is no training for becoming a professional Reiki Practitioner. However the person will have done at least First Degree Reiki. It is hard to quantify what makes a 'good' Reiki practitioner but it is important that the person treating you uses Reiki on a regular basis, including treating themselves. A good Reiki practitioner is not necessarily one with the highest degree or level of training. Reiki becomes stronger the more a person uses it, so a First Degree practitioner who uses Reiki daily may be able to give a more powerful treatment than a Reiki master who does not use Reiki regularly.

[Cuddles]

My Bold.

Is there something wrong with me, or do I see just a hint of a contradiction here?

I think it's a case of "Do what I say, not what I do.".

[Blue Wode]

Demonstration of 'absentia' reiki treatments…
http://healing.about.com/od/reiki/ss/reiki-surrogate.htm (http://healing.about.com/od/reiki/ss/reiki-surrogate.htm)

[Ryoden]

Japanese, Atlanteans and now angels, it's beginning to read like an intro to the latest sci-fi channel show....

Which Angels specifically are involved anyway, I mean, I have been avidly watching supernatural (which must be true since it has angels in it) and the angels depicted there aren't all love and kisses at all ;)

[DrS]

Is it breaking any law by touting Reiki in hospices even if a given hospice actively encourages alternative therapies as palliative care?

[Trinoc]

Is it breaking any law by touting Reiki in hospices even if a given hospice actively encourages alternative therapies as palliative care?
People in hospices need all the placebos they can get - along with genuine medication, of course. If a patient feels Reiki would help, let them have it ... I trust the practitioner would provide the service on a charitable basis, of course, as should anyone who helps out at a hospice other than as part of the full time staff.

[Admin]

Is it breaking any law by touting Reiki in hospices even if a given hospice actively encourages alternative therapies as palliative care?

I don't know how the law stands but I think if there is a use for such 'feel good' placebo therapies then palliative care is where it lies.

As for ethics, I guess it depends what they're claiming.

I know GPs do use alternative threatments for people undergoing chemotherapy and such like but it is always stressed that these are to help with the stress and anxiety of the treatment and the condition and in no way is it meant to be thought of as a cure.

I don't know whether they're used in hospices under GPs' (i.e. NHS) guidance though.

[bindeweede]

Reiki 1 - £110

Reiki 2 - £150

Reiki Masters - £900......"This course also teaches you how to teach Reiki at all levels to others". And to charge similar fees probably.

These prices are nearly 2 years old. Could this be a sort of MLM business?

Just a thought.

[Trinoc]

These prices are nearly 2 years old. Could this be a sort of MLM business?
Looks likely. I'd say it Reiks!

[DrS]

Good grief! I missed my vocation ... >:D

I agree, Trinoc, to the extent, as John, says, that it was in the context of palliative care, and always assuming it was on a charitable basis.

... might come back on this ...

[Admin]

Reiki Masters - £900......

That's quite cheap for a Masters Degree! ;D


"This course also teaches you how to teach Reiki at all levels to others". And to charge similar fees probably.

These prices are nearly 2 years old. Could this be a sort of MLM business?

That is one of the criticisms of this practise (and similar 'healing' practises).

Once you've paid for your attunement and have been given the key to the secret symbols then you can start charging others to do the same. Very MLM like in approach.