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dalriada
25th October 2007, 03:00 PM
Hearing 'messages' embedded in noise could be early sign of schizophrenia says a new study from Yale Medics.


The study this month in the British Journal of Psychiatry reported on 43 participants diagnosed with “prodromal symptoms”— meaning they exhibited early warning signs of psychosis such as social withdrawal, mild perceptual alterations, or misinterpretation of social cues.

Participants in the study were randomly assigned to take the anti-psychotic medication olanzapine or a placebo, and then symptoms and neuropsychological function were assessed for up to two years.

During the “babble task,” participants listened with headphones to overlapping recordings of six speakers reading neutral texts, which made the words virtually incomprehensible. The participants were asked to repeat any words or phrases that they heard. Only four words—“increase,” “children,” “A-OK,” and “Republican”—were consistently reproduced.

Eighty percent of the participants who “heard” phrases of four or more words in length went on to develop a schizophrenia-related illness during times that they were not taking olanzapine, said the lead author, Ralph Hoffman, M.D., associate professor of psychiatry. In contrast, only six percent of those in the study converted to schizophrenia-related illness if the phrases “heard” were less than three words in length.

“A tendency to extract message-like meaning from meaningless sensory information can, over time, produce a ‘matrix of unreality’ that triggers the initial psychotic phase of schizophrenia-spectrum disorders,” Hoffman said.

He said further research is needed because of the small size of this study. However, if these findings are verified, Hoffman added, they could provide an inexpensive tool for identifying those individuals with early warning signs of schizophrenia who would most likely benefit from preventive drug therapy.

MRT
25th October 2007, 04:04 PM
Very few EVPs are 4 words or longer so no need to panic even if you do hear it.

Also, the sample size of 43 seems very small to me. That means only a maximum of 32 heard 4 or more words and developed psychoses. Also, it is high time they dropped the meaningless term 'schizophrenia'. It is just a bunch of symptoms in a manual covering a whole range of different conditions.

Dr B
25th October 2007, 05:11 PM
We've been here before - about a hundred years ago - it's simply not true as both can exist independently.

Bentall does a good debunking of this kind of view / analysis (Bentall - explaining madness)

dalriada
25th October 2007, 08:26 PM
Actually I think this is interesting, small sample and they've pushed things too far implying that there could be some kind of "triggering" mechanism, but this bit intrigues me...

"A tendency to extract message-like meaning from meaningless sensory information... "

We all do that, and some people obviously do it more than others but if a tendency to hear extra words in something as relatively quick-and-easy to administer as the babble task can be more conclusively shown to be indicative of increased risk of psychosis that would be a really useful thing to know in terms of early intervention programmes (Which tend to be a lot cheaper and more pleasant than in-patient care).

Dr B
26th October 2007, 10:58 AM
Indeed O0

But i still don't see any real academic advancement in ideas here - I would still say view this in terms of the historical context outlined by Bentall.

Also, very few, in any of these studies, ever manage to answer whether the increased degree of 'seeing meaning in noise' is supposed to be a perceptual element, or a more high-level meaning attribution (I favour the latter - but to be fair - it's not that clear).

In addition, people who report multiple papranormal experiences are statistically indistinguishable from schizophrenics in their proneness to see meaning where there is none - which goes against the notion of a pathology or underlying disease sub-sering these attributions - as this population has never been shown to be more 'prone' to schizophrenia.

So in the broader context these experiences are just as likely to have no underlying pathology, as they are to co-occur with it....