Real vs Fake psychics

[open mind]

You do realise that "psychic" and "medium" are not the same thing at all? A psychic is anyone who can communicate with someone or something using only their mind. A medium is someone who talks to the dead, either psychically or simply by somehow conjuring them up and talking to them normally. A medium may be a psychic and a psychic may be a medium, but there is not necessarily any overlap. If you are going to try to argue about the validity of them, don't you think you should actually know what you are talking about first?

Well fokes I am going to shock you all but first I am also going to agree with you all entirely and I am going to ask you all two questions 1)what is the difference between a true medium and there is difference and those that claim to be one and obtain payment. 2)What is the difference between a true psychic and those claiming to be psychic and obtaining payment. Having grown up in the mystery world of psychics and mediums I can tell you now fame and fortune is not part of there world. I am also sick and tired of those self obsessed greedy individuals whom claim to be what they are not praying on the vulnerable they know nothing of the real secret world of mediums and psychics and it is secret world for many reasons and some of the reasons are you must be of strong mind and another reason is you can only be born to it you don't just wake up one morning and say ok! I am medium to day it doesn't work that way and has for the program most haunted what you have there is a classic example that is nothing better than a fair ground amusement for self gain and making good viewing figures for the TV company's and I guess by now you have all probably clicked that I am a true medium I don't take any form of payment at all and I don't like being in the lime light however today I felt the need put the record straight and speak out for those that are by design gifted and prefer to be known to those that need our help for closure with regard to there loved ones And I don't go looking for ghosts or spirits if they need to communicate they come to me and this can happen at any time, and at any place other than that I live a normal life.

[chillzero]

Well fokes I am going to shock you all but first I am also going to agree with you all entirely and I am going to ask you all two questions 1)what is the difference between a true medium and there is difference and those that claim to be one and obtain payment. 2)What is the difference between a true psychic and those claiming to be psychic and obtaining payment. Having grown up in the mystery world of psychics and mediums I can tell you now fame and fortune is not part of there world. I am also sick and tired of those self obsessed greedy individuals whom claim to be what they are not praying on the vulnerable they know nothing of the real secret world of mediums and psychics and it is secret world for many reasons and some of the reasons are you must be of strong mind and another reason is you can only be born to it you don't just wake up one morning and say ok! I am medium to day it doesn't work that way and has for the program most haunted what you have there is a classic example that is nothing better than a fair ground amusement for self gain and making good viewing figures for the TV company's and I guess by now you have all probably clicked that I am a true medium I don't take any form of payment at all and I don't like being in the lime light however today I felt the need put the record straight and speak out for those that are by design gifted and prefer to be known to those that need our help for closure with regard to there loved ones And I don't go looking for ghosts or spirits if they need to communicate they come to me and this can happen at any time, and at any place other than that I live a normal life.

Hi, Welcome to the forum.

Firstly, for your next post, could you please find a few full stops and paragraph breaks?

Secondly, how does your claimed ability manifest itself?

[Admin]

1)what is the difference between a true medium and there is difference and those that claim to be one and obtain payment.

If you're asking what the difference between a true and a fake medium is then it's impossible to tell.

Mediumistic ability has never been shown to be real so all we're left with is people who believe they are mediums and those who are fake.

As this ability is not real, there's no test that can be done to distinguish between the two.

Whether a person charges money for giving readings is an irrelevance. Charging money (or not) has no effect on the claimant's ability (or lack of).


2)What is the difference between a true psychic and those claiming to be psychic and obtaining payment.

Ditto.


I guess by now you have all probably clicked that I am a true medium

Not at all.

However, I had a inkling that you might make such a claim.

If true mediums existed then they would be distinguishable from the fakes and the self-deluded.

[Matt]

I am a true medium

I'm a true extra large. How do you do?

You hear voices as well as fitting medium sized clothes?

That means you think you're a medium.

Calling yourself "open mind" whilst not entertaining the possibility that you may be mistaken about the source of these apparent messages you receive: that puts your grasp a skepticism at about medium too.

[Zaira]

open mind,

Welcome! I am interested in what you have to say, as I'm sure others on here are too. But may I suggest that you post more clearly. I'm no expert in punctuation but I try.

I would also like to ask you to stick around and tell us more about what brought you to believe or know that you were a medium, how long have you been one, and do you have proof that your mediumship works?

Some questions may be rather pointed but I'm asking you to be patient and tell us a little more about yourself and your beliefs and how you came by them. Also it would help if you are open to the views of other members so as not to have this turn into a bickering contest. Reading the boards guidelines might help also.

I'm not a skeptic or a believer, I'm just very curious. I'm on a personal and spiritual journey of my own and would be very interested in hearing more about you and what you believe.

[Dr B]

Welcome to the Forum.

In my opinion, the question is loaded and flawed as it assumes something to be true (true mediumship / psychic ability) which has never been shown to be true. So the comparison is a non-starter as half of the comparison is unlikely to exist.

It is always best not to answer loaded questions. O0

[MRT]

I often get asked whether a photo shows a bit of dust or an orb! :smiley:

[bobdezon]

Thats a bit like asking would you like coffee? or coffee? :-\

[Lord Muck oGentry]

1)what is the difference between a true medium [...] and those that claim to be one [...]

2)What is the difference between a true psychic and those claiming to be psychic [..]

3) What is the difference between true unicorns and those that claim to be unicorns?

Your move.

[Admin]

The Ad Hom posts have been moved here: http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1491

[median]

Aside from the course that this thread seems to have taken, let's try to get back on track.

I reiterate chillzero's comment
how does your claimed ability manifest itself?

Open mind, stating yourself as a true medium or psychic is largely irrelevant given the scant evidence proving these abilities to exist.
If you have something a little more concrete to go on we would be pleased to explore further.

Regards

Median

[Nasib]

Good evening to you all. This will be my first post on this forum, apart from a brief "hello" to you all upon my joining a few weeks back on the Introduction thread.
I do not wish to attach any labels either to myself (i.e. medium/psychic etc) or to the situation I am about to relate; I would simply like to give an account of what I believe to be "evidence" of an afterlife that I received personally and subsequently a separate incident (one of many) where I have passed on "evidence" to another (a total stranger to me):

I am fast approaching my 53rd year; have led an extremely eventful life, respectably educated, well travelled, and possess what I consider to be a fairly open mind.

Just over a year ago I found myself intensely taking stock of my life so far and asking myself the age-old questions "What's it all about?" "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I/we here?" That night I woke up to find my mother's face right in front of mine, smiling at me (my mother died 20 years ago, as did my father). Initially pretty shaken up, I closed my eyes and opened them again to find her still there but standing beside the bed where I could now see her full form. I will quickly add here it was NOT a dream, & I made all the necessary confirmations, checked out the room, the clock, even physically pinching myself. Still there.

3 days later I found myself attending a medium for a reading, with the sole secret purpose of having them confirm this incident. I had absolutely no intention of giving anything away about myself or what had happened. He knew absolutely nothing about me and was a complete stranger to me. This medium first explained that he was clairaudient, i.e. he hears spirit but does not see. Straight into the session (wow!!) describing my mother (in her words) to an absolute 'T' - not only confirming that I had recently seen her, but SO very much more, apparently not coming up for air, so many minute and accurate details were given to me through this guy. My father also came through in this session and (trying to be brief as poss here) the main gist of it all was to let me know that mediumistic skills run in the family way back on my mother's side and that now was the time for me to begin to develop and use this ability and that I would be helped and guided by both mother and father in every way. That years ago was not the right time; I had to go through and deal with many experiences in my life first before I being ready and able to do this work, and now I was ready.

Since having joined a development circle, I subsequently attended a one-day Workshop for developing mediums where one of the "exercises" was to pair up with another attendee (total strangers) to see if and what we could "get" for that person. Not expecting anything, I immediately saw (much to my surprise) on a sort of screen by this person, a lady who I described to her in detail with the name Mary printed above her head. I simply related to this person as I went along just what I was seeing. Also saw the month of May. Then a pile of books. I saw this person handing one book to someone else. Then I described in detail a young boy of about 12 or 13 who (I don't know how I knew, but just knew was still living). I could see he had large brown eyes and black sticky-up hair. He also had a brown face - and don't know why but I didn't mention that fact, although was very clear to me. Anyway, that was it, I didn't feel there was any message in it, but just told her what I had seen.

The person afterwards confirmed to me that her friend Mary had passed over (died) one month previous. The person who had died was a few days off her 90th birthday (in May). She had actually been a medium. Before she died had left this lady her large collection of books asking her to give them to charity, which she had done but before doing so she had given one of the books (on mediumship) to another friend of hers.
The boy had been the lady's next-door-neighbour, a 12-year old Indian lad who had looked after her by getting shopping for her, making sure her gate was closed, etc, and this young boy had been very much affected by her passing, and had not stopped crying since she died.

Sorry this is so long-winded, did try to condense. I hope you've not fallen asleep mid way - but may I please leave this with you? I would be interested to hear people's thoughts on this personal double revelation. Anecdotal it may be but surely thought invoking ....?

[Nasib]

Sorry - duplicated the above post. Had to delete the second one. Please have patience with me - first post.

[bobdezon]

You know that story would be far more "amazing" if you could provide a transcript from the medium you visited. I simply cannot except anecdotal evidence, because people who visit mediums never seem to remember all that they got wrong. The are also quite good at applying generalisations to fit their own experience, so you will usually find with a transcript that nothing revealing was mentioned, or if it was it can apply to a large percentage of the population (which is how they work). I cannot comment on your reading, because I have no idea if its true. I cannot simply assume it is true, because I rely on proof to forumlate an opinion.

[Nasib]

Hi Bobdezon. Thank you for your reply.

I can indeed provide not only a transcript of that Reading, but also the cassette tape on which the session was recorded, together with those of subseqent Readings from various other mediums visited after that occurrence.

[filippo lippi]

I can indeed provide not only a transcript of that Reading,


Would you please post the transcript?

[bobdezon]

Excellent, please provide a transcript or transfer the tape to .mp3 format and upload that. Well have a discussion and do this properly O0

[Dr B]

Nasib

I hope you understand that none of the above provides any evidence for an afterlife. It merely depicts your own journey and personal questions (interesting - but not science and not evidence). O0

Be careful how you use the word 'evidence'.

[MRT]

... & I made all the necessary confirmations, checked out the room, the clock, even physically pinching myself. Still there.

Just a small thing - if you were dreaming, why shouldn't you dream of pinching yourself? I often dream all sorts of physical activities that, if they really happened, should wake me up but they never do. I think the 'pinch test' is great in theory but in reality is quite useless! :smiley:

[wooo_oops]

Just a small thing - if you were dreaming, why shouldn't you dream of pinching yourself? I often dream all sorts of physical activities that, if they really happened, should wake me up but they never do. I think the 'pinch test' is great in theory but in reality is quite useless! :smiley:
Could be useful to turn the dream lucid though? :cheesy:

[Nasib]

Excellent, please provide a transcript or transfer the tape to .mp3 format and upload that. Well have a discussion and do this properly O0

The transcript is in Word form consisting of 5 condensed pages as the session was a 30 minutes reading, similar to a follow-up with the same medium 9 months later. I would have to send it as an attachment with the post?? Is that feasible?

Quote: I hope you understand that none of the above provides any evidence for an afterlife. It merely depicts your own journey and personal questions (interesting - but not science and not evidence). O0

Be careful how you use the word 'evidence'.Unquote

Yes, I'm aware of that. It is for that very reason that I presented the word 'evidence' in single quotes.

Quote: or transfer the tape to .mp3 format Unquote

I'm afraid I have neither the materials nor technical know-how to do that! Just an old-fashioned cassette tape.

[bobdezon]

You could upload the .txt file to a filesharing website like http://rapidshare.com/ and give us the link. Failing that copy the bulk of the text and paste it onto a new image in your art program. Save the image as a .JPEG in Paint shop pro, photoshop etc, and upload that image to http://imageshack.us/ etc.

[Dr B]

A condensed version is useless - condensed by what criteria? The hits?

[Nasib]

A condensed version is useless - condensed by what criteria? The hits?

Oh good grief, Dr B ! Perhaps that was the wrong word. By condensed I mean packed into the pages as it's quite lengthy, (not abridged or summarised or anything like that) - it's word for word, and unambiguously direct and to the point, no waffle or 'cold reading' either.

[td17_uk]

simple answer to the real or not question lock anyone who claims to have psychic powers in an airtight room with a numerical keypad and see if they can predict the combination before the air runs out LOL

[bobdezon]

They might have a gun though O0

[siestatime]

simple answer to the real or not question lock anyone who claims to have psychic powers in an airtight room with a numerical keypad and see if they can predict the combination before the air runs out LOL

Can we nominate people to undertake this test? :smiley:

[Nasib]

I was rather surprised and bemused to receive a pm from a member (not staff) intimating that my recent (and first) post on this thread was not appropriate discussion material for a forum of this nature.
Conversely, I had thought this precisely the area in which to introduce an interesting and debatable exchange of such nature. However, I humbly apologise for dipping my toe into what is clearly unwelcome waters and bid ye all a (rather reluctant) farewell.

In response to the pm's received from another member: I am most grateful for your valuable contribution and suggestions; sent in the nature of a true sceptic/skeptic -(which, after all, pm sender no.1, is not this forum all about?) but with respect to the foregoing perhaps all judgements should be reserved for the present.

Another time, another place, perhaps, pm sender no. 2 ? Who know ... our paths may very possibly cross again - but in a more suitable and appropriate venue.

Respectfully,

Nasib (Arabic, meaning 'Fate')

[Admin]

I was rather surprised and bemused to receive a pm from a member (not staff) intimating that my recent (and first) post on this thread was not appropriate discussion material for a forum of this nature.

Can you tell me more about this? PM me.

This forum is indeed the place to discuss such issues and I was very much looking forward to reading the transcript of your reading.

It's very rare for someone to be so open and provide such information.


Conversely, I had thought this precisely the area in which to introduce an interesting and debatable exchange of such nature. However, I humbly apologise for dipping my toe into what is clearly unwelcome waters and bid ye all a (rather reluctant) farewell.

This forum actively welcomes debate on such issues. O0

If someone has told you otherwise then please provide me with the details so I can look into this.

[bobdezon]

Yeah, I dont mind what you post really. You only stated why you believe in something, I see no harm in that. By discussing what you believe we can determine your stance on the subject, however by discussing why you believe it tends to be more interesting for me.

You are welcome to post your views, that is the nature of this forum.

[leighcoombs1000]

Well i thought that they were all fakes untill i came across a website that proved me totally wrong, It said it offered free reading and i thought umm yeh right nothings free well that was where i started to be wrong in fact the reading was totally free and then then things he told me i just could not believe what i was hearing he got everything and i mean every spot on and then he started telling me about my grandfather who passed away when i was 7 well i was totally gobb smacked. I woiuld tell anyone who is not a beliver or who is unsure to take a visit to his site [advertising link removed - JJ]

[Julia]

How about telling us exactly why you were so convinced? Posting what looks suspiciously like an ad won't impress anyone here. ::)

[skbuncks]

You might want to try throwing some of these ....,,,, at your next post.

skb

EtA, Oh, and what Julia said.