Brit Am Israel

[David Ben-Ariel]

I'm convinced about our Hebrew roots, the Israelite origins of the West, and much of what I believe (as taught by Herbert W. Armstrong) has been confirmed by Brit Am Israel:


Brit-Am is an organization centered in Jerusalem capital of Israel and comprised of Jews and non-Jews.

Brit-Am traces the Lost Ten Tribes to Western Nations. The evidence that Brit-Am relies upon is Biblical in the light of Rabbinical Commentary supplemented by secular studies.

Brit-Am avoids the discussion of religious differences between Judah (the present-day Jews) and the Lost Ten Tribes represented by "Joseph".

Brit Am Israel

[Cuddles]

Unfortunately for that theory, DNA evidence trumps the bible, and that says that we came from Africa.

[filippo lippi]

I'm convinced about our Hebrew roots, the Israelite origins of the West, and much of what I believe (as taught by Herbert W. Armstrong) has been confirmed by Brit Am Israel:


Brit-Am is an organization centered in Jerusalem capital of Israel and comprised of Jews and non-Jews.

Brit-Am traces the Lost Ten Tribes to Western Nations. The evidence that Brit-Am relies upon is Biblical in the light of Rabbinical Commentary supplemented by secular studies.

Brit-Am avoids the discussion of religious differences between Judah (the present-day Jews) and the Lost Ten Tribes represented by "Joseph".

Brit Am Israel

You going to present your evidence or are you here purely to SPAM?

[bobdezon]

One should be careful when trying to reinvent a history, I remember it didnt quite work out for some Germans wandering around the Himalayas. Cuddles is perfectly correct, DNA can be used to trace gene migration over continents.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Unfortunately for that theory, DNA evidence trumps the bible, and that says that we came from Africa.

It's not a theory, but the idea that we all came from Africa is a theory. Get it right. Nothing trumps the Bible, as the Bible consists of divine revelation, superior insight and understanding.

[vbloke]

It's not a theory, but the idea that we all came from Africa is a theory. Get it right. Nothing trumps the Bible, as the Bible consists of divine revelation, superior insight and understanding.
The bible is the word of god because the bible says so.

Circular reasoning at it's finest folks!

You do realise that the bible is only a theory don't you?

[David Ben-Ariel]

One should be careful when trying to reinvent a history, I remember it didnt quite work out for some Germans wandering around the Himalayas.

Nazi-Germany is still playing with their trained Dalai Lama.

Straegies of Attrition

[David Ben-Ariel]

Against the odds, the Anglo-Saxons and white peoples of Northwestern Europe have fulfilled these remarkable prophecies, proof of divine revelation, extraterrestrial intellgence:

"DID YOU KNOW THAT....."

According to the Bible ten out of the twelve tribes of Israel split away (1-Kings 12:19), formed their own kingdom of "Israel" (1-Kings 12:20) and were exiled by the Assyrians (2-Kings 17:18). They forget their identity (Hosea 1:9 7:8 Isaiah 49:21) and became the Lost Ten Tribes. In the future they will re-unite with the Jews (Ezekiel 37, Isaiah 11:13 Jeremiah 3:18) of "Judah", but until then they have a role of their own to fulfill. They were destined to be situated at the continental extremities of the earth such as North America, the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa (Deuteronomy 33:13 Isaiah 24:16 26:15 41:8-9 49:6), to be the richest (Genesis 27:28 49:25 Deuteronomy 33:13-16 Hosea 2:8), and most powerful (Numbers 24:8-7 Micah 5:7-9) nations on earth and to control major international strategic bases (Genesis 22:16-17 24:60). All of these points together with numerous others show that descendants of the Lost Ten Tribes can only be found amongst Western Nations especially the English-speaking ones. The correctness of our interpretation of the relevant verses, and your destiny, may depend upon this information. You need to know!

[David Ben-Ariel]

You do realise that the bible is only a theory don't you?

You do realize that "the Bible is only a theory" is a theory, don't you? Whether or not you're convinced of its divine revelation, supernatural inspiration as proven by fulfilled prophecies that transcend mortal men's capabilities to foretell or bring to pass, I'm convinced of it because of prophecies, answered prayers, and God-given faith. If you fail to believe this, that's your prerogative, but when only God will be able to save mankind soon from utter destruction, perhaps seeing will be believing (even though the Bible says the nations will oppose the return of the King and their armies will fight against Him - perhaps fearing it's an "invasion" from Outer Space rather than divine intervention to SAVE MANKIND).

[bobdezon]

I originally thought you posts were sort of a rabbinical essay into the possible decendants or the 12 tribes of judea, but I can plainly see you are only another conspiracy theorist, with little to no understanding of the real world. Consequently I feel it is my duty to declare you batshit insane, but if you have anything that is based on fact then Id be happy to discuss it with you.

[Muttley]

They were destined to be situated at the continental extremities of the earth such as North America, the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa (Deuteronomy 33:13 Isaiah 24:16 26:15 41:8-9 49:6)....

Oh come on, this is cobblers (these are cobblers?). The Deuteronomy reference doesn't mention anything relevant at all, and the only geographical locations mentioned in the others are "the uttermost part of the earth", "all the ends of the earth", "the ends of the earth", and "the end of the earth". Who would have known what any of those meant at the time of writing? I didn't see The Netherlands or New Zealand mentioned once.::)

Could you be reading slightly more detail into this than is actually there?

M.???

[vbloke]

You do realize that "the Bible is only a theory" is a theory, don't you? Whether or not you're convinced of its divine revelation, supernatural inspiration as proven by fulfilled prophecies that transcend mortal men's capabilities to foretell or bring to pass, I'm convinced of it because of prophecies, answered prayers, and God-given faith. If you fail to believe this, that's your prerogative, but when only God will be able to save mankind soon from utter destruction, perhaps seeing will be believing (even though the Bible says the nations will oppose the return of the King and their armies will fight against Him - perhaps fearing it's an "invasion" from Outer Space rather than divine intervention to SAVE MANKIND).So tell me, do you stone adulterers to death? How about slaying unbelievers? Have you never trimmed the corners of your beard? Are all your garments white and of single material only (no mixed fabrics)?

If not, then it looks like you've broken some of god's rules and are as accursed as the rest of us.

[Muttley]

Nazi-Germany is still playing with their trained Dalai Lama.

The invisible pink unicorn takes afternoon tea with the quantum physicist.

Know what I mean? O0

[bobdezon]

The invisible pink unicorn takes afternoon tea with the quantum physicist.

Know what I mean? O0


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8879/montypython007nudgenudgpf1.jpg

Say no more ;)

[brianp]

It's not a theory, but the idea that we all came from Africa is a theory. Get it right. Nothing trumps the Bible, as the Bible consists of divine revelation, superior insight and understanding.A nutter? A troll? Both?

The idea that our ancestors came out of Africa at some stage of our evolution is a well established fact. The jury is still out on the details but the evidence of our Africa origins is incontrovertible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_single-origin_hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_hypothesis

In contrast the Ten Lost Tribes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes) idea has little going for it at all.

Given that there's no evidence outside the bible for any part of the Jewish origin stories, even the starting point of this hypothesis is unreliable. And if the starting point is unreliable, what is the point of extending those ideas with what can only be described as the wildest of speculation? There's no evidence for any of it.

[Lord Muck oGentry]

My word- talk about feeling your age!

I remember the preposterous Armstrong family and the Plain Truth magazine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_W._Armstrong

Yep, the Plain Truth trumps everything. No need for any of that nasty evidence. Or actually reading the Bible.

[Lord Muck oGentry]

Oh come on, this is cobblers (these are cobblers?).

I believe the idiom is: These sure am cobblers.

[David Ben-Ariel]

I remember the preposterous Armstrong family and the Plain Truth magazine

Yes, those steeped in traditional error often find the plain truth of the Bible that Herbert W. Armstrong faithfully taught preposterous.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Several years ago, I was praying to our Great Creator God, the God of the Bible, the God of Israel, about our Hebrew roots (the Israelite origins of the West that I'm convinced about as we bear the many biblical birthmarks of fulfilled prophecy concerning the "Lost Ten Tribes"), wondering what specific Israelite tribe I'm from primarily - whether Joseph or Judah (since my ancestry is primarily Celtic and Anglo-Saxon with descent from British and Scottish Royal Families).

Jews are a stubborn lot (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/10/jews-are-stubborn-lot.html)

[vbloke]

Several years ago, I was praying to our Great Creator God, the God of the Bible, the God of Israel, about our Hebrew roots (the Israelite origins of the West that I'm convinced about as we bear the many biblical birthmarks of fulfilled prophecy concerning the "Lost Ten Tribes"), wondering what specific Israelite tribe I'm from primarily - whether Joseph or Judah (since my ancestry is primarily Celtic and Anglo-Saxon with descent from British and Scottish Royal Families).

Jews are a stubborn lot (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/10/jews-are-stubborn-lot.html)The god of Israel. You conveniently forget the pantheons of the Aztecs, Haitians, Incas, Mayans, Native Americans, Aborigines, Polynesians, Africans, Egyptians, Chinese, Hindus, Japanese, Koreans, Basque, Celts, Etruscans, Greek, Latvians, Norse, Romans, Islam, Mesopotamians & Persians. That's a lot of gods who you could be mistaken about. Many of them also made prophesies that have come true as well.

Why do you pick and choose so much?

[bobdezon]

Isnt it amazing how many people claim to be related/decended from royalty? Them royals must be part rabbit. David if you have any proof of your claim (pick one of any) could you please provide that instead of idle speculation and obvious historical errors.

[Cuddles]

It's not a theory, but the idea that we all came from Africa is a theory. Get it right. Nothing trumps the Bible, as the Bible consists of divine revelation, superior insight and understanding.

Ah, sorry, I didn't realise you were an idiot. You have my condolences.

[bobdezon]

Ah, sorry, I didn't realise you were an idiot. You have my condolences.

Oh he has a lot to say about africa, you couldnt convince him of the origin of man from there because he is apparantly a racist.

http://*****************.blogspot.com/


Wednesday, October 17, 2007

"I will never return to South Africa"


Zimbabwe is in ruins because of black misrule and the sins of white Israelites that empowered them. Whites are only to rule or manage those countries God has given us as part of our biblical inheritance. Rhodesia is one of those. South Africa is another.



Black Racists Slaughter Whites in South Africa - Where's the Outrage? (http://beyondbabylon.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-racists-slaughter-whites-in-south.html)

[vbloke]

Get it right. Nothing trumps the BibleI'll bet a royal flush would.

[Matt]

Brit-Am traces the Lost Ten Tribes to Western Nations.

Well that's where they're going wrong.

Either Trace where the Lost Ten tribes went OR trace where the Western Nation came from. Otherwise you're starting with a conclusion.


The evidence that Brit-Am relies upon is Biblical in the light of Rabbinical Commentary supplemented by secular studies.

Agains really you should be working the other way round. Secular empirical evidence trumps Biblical evidence everyt ime. Remember if you believe in God the creator then reality is his work, his scripture and as such far less twisted and abused than the bible - the work of men. If the bible tells ou anything it is the historical views of those who wrote slected and translated it over the course of many thousands of years.

[filippo lippi]

I feel dirty after reading his blogs even though I have reddish hair and blue eyes like a lot of "Anglo-Saxon Jews":cheesy: so am presumably one of god's chosen chumps who get to lord it over everyone else. Sometimes, religion makes me want to vomit, especially when you get up close.

[bobdezon]

If I ever get to meet god, Im going to kick him in the omnipotent bawlz just for being a dick.

[David Ben-Ariel]

The god of Israel...

Why do you pick and choose so much?

I have discriminating religious taste. I accept no substitutes.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Isnt it amazing how many people claim to be related/decended from royalty?

Why? It's a proven fact that such descendants number in the millions when you consider collateral descendants.

God promised David, not only Abraham, that his descendants would be like the stars in the sky and the sands of grain upon the seashore.


David if you have any proof of your claim (pick one of any) could you please provide that instead of idle speculation and obvious historical errors.

No idle speculation or historical errors on my part. I'm descended from the British Royal Family through the same line as John Quincy Adam (through his mother) and to the Scottish Royal Family through the same line as President James Buchanan. It's in Burkes, if I remember correctly, in a chapter dealing with presidents of royal descent.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Ah, sorry, I didn't realise you were an idiot. You have my condolences.

Sorry indeed. I'm not an idiot, just tell it like it is. You'll have to look elsewhere for your company.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Oh he has a lot to say about africa, you couldnt convince him of the origin of man from there because he is apparantly a racist.

http://*****************.blogspot.com/

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I'm a realist. If God created Adam originally in Africa and then moved Him east into Eden, so be it. It's clear intelligent life, for the most part, abandoned Africa.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Either Trace where the Lost Ten tribes went OR trace where the Western Nation came from.

The Northwestern nations came from the Lost Ten Tribes.

The Declaration of Arbroath (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/06/declaration-of-arbroath.html)

Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/10/judahs-sceptre-and-josephs-birthright.html)

Where Did the TWELVE APOSTLES Go? (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/06/where-did-twelve-apostles-go.html)

[David Ben-Ariel]

I feel dirty after reading his blogs even though I have reddish hair and blue eyes like a lot of "Anglo-Saxon Jews"

Oh, no...not another self-hating, defeatist white Israelite! :sad:

You clearly don't know the difference between JOES (Anglo-Saxons/Joseph) and Jews. However, you can educate yourself to know that Joseph Isn't Jewish! (http://ezinearticles.com/?Joseph-Isnt-Jewish%21&id=179011)

Not All Twelve Tribes of Israel are Jewish? (http://ezinearticles.com/?Not-All-Twelve-Tribes-of-Israel-are-Jewish?&id=293050)


so am presumably one of god's chosen chumps who get to lord it over everyone else. Your attitude is wrong. The White Israelite Man's Burden is to be the Servant Nation to administer, to manage, to bless all nations, as we have done - all things considered. It is the Assyrian-German Nation that has sought to lord it over others as the "Master Race."


Sometimes, religion makes me want to vomit, especially when you get up close.Me too. Other than the baptized paganism pretending to be Christianity, a counterfeit Christianity, the smug religions of evolution and atheism are especially nauseating.

Do You Prefer TRADITION Over Truth? (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/09/do-you-prefer-tradition-over-truth.html)

Is The Plain Truth Too Strong? (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/09/is-plain-truth-too-strong.html)

The Plain Truth about Herbert W. Armstrong & the Worldwide Church of God (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/09/plain-truth-about-herbert-w-armstrong.html)

[filippo lippi]

I'm not self-hating, I reserve my hatred for bigots like you.

[Cuddles]

No idle speculation or historical errors on my part. I'm descended from the British Royal Family through the same line as John Quincy Adam (through his mother) and to the Scottish Royal Family through the same line as President James Buchanan. It's in Burkes, if I remember correctly, in a chapter dealing with presidents of royal descent.

Considering how well you've traced your ancestors, you'd think you'd have noticed that the British royal family and the Scottish royal family are in fact the same people.::)

[bobdezon]

racist, bigoted, lunatic, fantasist, all very apt descriptive terms for david.

[The Great Bymble]

The Northwestern nations came from the Lost Ten Tribes.

The Declaration of Arbroath (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/06/declaration-of-arbroath.html)

Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/10/judahs-sceptre-and-josephs-birthright.html)

Where Did the TWELVE APOSTLES Go? (http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/06/where-did-twelve-apostles-go.html)

Are you able to supply any evidence for this assertion beyond quoting a medieval document which was originally written with a specific agenda in mind,or treating Bible entries regarding events as historical fact?
Whilst the archaeological evidence proves that there was indeed limited migration between what may be considered 'Scythia'
and North-West Europe,this appears to be due to the Imperial Roman policy of stationing Auxilia away from their area of origin rather than any previously unsuspected 'Diaspora' such as you posit.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jshoaf/arthurmalcor.html

Do you have any valid evidence to back up this theorising?

[Julia]

So you're not going back to South Africa, eh? Well, that's one less problem for the country to deal with. If you're not a delusional, obsessive nutjob you are doing a damn good impression of one. :cheesy: ::)

[filippo lippi]

His problems go back at least 20 years


http://ezinearticles.com/?Princess-Diana,-a-Dream,-and-King-Davids-Dynasty&id=368968

[bobdezon]

His problems go back at least 20 years


http://ezinearticles.com/?Princess-Diana,-a-Dream,-and-King-Davids-Dynasty&id=368968


Sweet jeebus, absolutely "box full of frogs" material. ::)

[filippo lippi]

I wonder if the Princess was freaked out after being contacted by a domestic appliance?

[ZERO]

http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/09/do-you-prefer-tradition-over-truth.html

David, your a hypocrite.

Let me say for a start, I think the bible and religion is all crap.

If your going to choose to follow the bible and then post a link about truth or tradition, shouldn't you avoid tradition?
Your article mentions Yeshua, which may be the proper pronunciation of Jesus. Nowhere do you use the tetragrammaton: YHWH. Original scriptures had god's NAME. Thought to be pronounced "Yahweh" or "Jehovah". Remember Hebrew was written without vowls. It became tradition to not say the name because it was too holy, so it's pronunciation was lost.
If you believe god inspired the bible, why would he include his name if He didn't want people to know and use it.

If you want to follow the bible, follow it as written, not whatever way suits your own ends. Of course you would then be the only person in history to do so.

And stop mangling history. "The assyrian - German nation"????

[David Ben-Ariel]

I'm not self-hating, I reserve my hatred for bigots like you.

What a bigot! ::)

[David Ben-Ariel]

racist, bigoted, lunatic, fantasist, all very apt descriptive terms for david.

You sound very narrow-minded, hateful and intolerant. I still love you though, as I can agree to disagree. :smiley:

[David Ben-Ariel]

http://******************.blogspot.com/2007/09/do-you-prefer-tradition-over-truth.html

David, your a hypocrite.

According to your misunderstanding? Is that supposed to hurt?


Let me say for a start, I think the bible and religion is all crap."nuff said. I see you base everything upon your own idolatrous ideas and are lost in the wilderness of spiritual anarchy.


If your going to choose to follow the bible and then post a link about truth or tradition, shouldn't you avoid tradition?Only those traditions that are idolatrous, that contradict the Bible, or are condemned by it.


Your article mentions Yeshua, which may be the proper pronunciation of Jesus. Nowhere do you use the tetragrammaton: YHWH.Actually, when I do use the holy name, I write YHVH. Others prefer YHWH.


"The assyrian - German nation"????Yes. Great German Nation (http://www.********************/Great_German_Nation/germany/germany_index.htm)

[David Ben-Ariel]

Are you able to supply any evidence for this assertion beyond quoting a medieval document

That is EVIDENCE, believe it or not. Other proofs are available at Brit Am Israel (http://www.***********/) and other wonderful sites like Origin of Nations. (http://www.********************/)

The Anglo-Saxon fulfillment of many biblical prophecies is sufficient for me, but there are always doubting Thomases, eh?

[filippo lippi]

So your evidence is "my biased interpretations of millenia-old ambiguous writings tells me it is true" and "here's some stuff from someone who's just as deluded."

[vbloke]

So your evidence is "my biased interpretations of millenia-old ambiguous writings tells me it is true" and "here's some stuff from someone who's just as deluded."Is the correct answer, and you win tonight's star prize!

[The Great Bymble]

That is EVIDENCE, believe it or not. Other proofs are available at Brit Am Israel (http://www.***********/) and other wonderful sites like Origin of Nations. (http://www.********************/)

The Anglo-Saxon fulfillment of many biblical prophecies is sufficient for me, but there are always doubting Thomases, eh?

If that is valid evidence then using that methodology the Earth is flat - various interpretations of the Bible and many medieval documents attest to this,so it Must be true.(Although problems may arise concerning
certain historical conceptions of the nature of 'The Children of Israel')
I'm certainly not going to be impressed by theories which revolve around discredited Nineteenth-century ideas of racial superiority - Phrenology?Craniology?
As for 'Anglo-Saxons' fulfilling many Biblical prophecies,one could make the same claim about many other arbitrary groupings ,ranging from the Imperial Roman state to contemporary China and 'prove' such wildly varying hypotheses by retrofitting prophecies and cherrypicking historical documents,and it would still remain merely a Subjective Assessment of available sources,no matter how passionately people believed in it.
Indeed ,such prophecies have been 'fulfilled' several time over due to the propensity of people to apply them to current events.So far it's all been 'close,but no cigar';why should your assertions be any different?
David,I'm not so much a doubting Thomas as 'Thomas the Contender';are you an 'Arise Evans' by any chance?

[Julia]

I can actually FEEL my brain cells dying when I read one of David's posts. :'(

[The Great Bymble]

In my case his 'plain truths' simply 'Do not compute'.
What disturbs me that there appears to be a fair number of 'Christian-Zionists' about,all fervently believing in similar ridiculous theories.

[bobdezon]

Banned, FTW O0

[Julia]

For that relief, much thanks. The air is smelling fresher already! ;D

[ZERO]

I see you base everything upon your own idolatrous ideas and are lost in the wilderness of spiritual anarchy.

And loving it!

[Julia]

"The wilderness of spiritual anarchy..." Sounds like fun to me! :cheesy: