Ghost in a huff?

[Scottish_Girl]

I've posted elsewhere about my odd experiences, but thought I would start a thread for this one. Not only did I experience what seemed to be the 'ghost' of my dead friend, but he appeared to still be able to show 'emotion' and made it clear he was 'pissed off' with me.

I met Mark at work when I was 19 and he was 25 - he was a First Officer with BA. We were never 'boyfriend/girlfriend' (apart from one drunken fumble in the early days which we soon laughed about and never tried again) but we hit it off from the moment we met, had such a laugh together...he was a silly sod with a filthy sense of humour - and we also shared a lot of heartache over our respective love affairs, and were generally great pals and saw each other frequently until he was promoted to Captain and moved bases away from my hometown. We kept in touch by phone, met up now and again and he came to my wedding etc, but I had not heard from him for a while when I had a phone call from a distraught mutual friend family friend one night in 1995 to tell me Mark had died very suddenly while abroad, from a brain haemorrhage. By this time I was married and had a child, my son was 5 years old.


After the funeral, on a beautiful day in June, I was sitting in my back garden thinking about him and the fun we had, and I remember thinking 'Oh Mark, I'm so sorry..I wish you were still around' and I was suddenly prodded in the boob! Seriously, I don't know how else to describe it, but it was a real 'jab' as if to say 'I am still here' and it is just what he would have done when he was alive.


Months later, when I had stopped thinking about him at least once a day, I had another really strange experience. In order to tell this I have to mention two things. My son at the time was into 'Power Rangers', and he had a set of walkie talkies. If you pressed a button on one of the units while the other was also switched on, it would emit this high pitched 'screech' until you pressed the button on the other unit to reply. We also had a big drawer in the bottom of the unit in our living room, and everything went in there when I was tidying up in a hurry....kids toys, newspapers...(once found a rotting cheese sandwich in there but that is another story) ...

Anyway, I was lying in my bed one night about 11pm, my son had been in bed since 8pm, and my husband was fast asleep. I was dozing, and suddenly heard the unmistakeable sound of this Power Ranger walkie talkie, which only ever happened when someone pressed the button on one of the units. I assumed my son was awake and playing with his toys, so I went through to his bedroom, and he was fast asleep. The screech was coming from the living room....from the bottom drawer of the unit. I opened the drawer, and a photograph (not in a frame) of Mark which had once been propped up on the unit and must have dropped in, or been knocked in literally shot out of the drawer and fluttered up into the air. Please suspend disbelief as I tell you this - I promise this is true, and I have no reason to lie. I don't believe it any more than you do probably, but it really did happen. It was almost as if he was saying 'Hey! You've forgotten all about me, bloody photo shoved in a drawer'.

The really weird thing about it is that although one half of the walkie talkie set was in the drawer, the other half had gone missing and never turned up again...and it never made the noise again (it couldn't, without the other half.)

[Araneus]

Not only did I experience what seemed to be the 'ghost' of my dead friend, but he appeared to still be able to show 'emotion' and made it clear he was 'pissed off' with me.

Err, no. What you "saw" was a photograph fly up in the air. Assuming that this is the ghost of your dead friend displaying emotion towards you is stretching credulity to the extreme.

I was dozingbut it really did happen.'nuff said.

[Scottish_Girl]

Hmmm. So much for my theory that skeptics are crusty and dry, lacking in humour and manipulate statements to suit their own purposes. ::)

I am not trying to prove anything to you, nor am I about to get into an argument about what I did or did not see. Just sharing an interesting story, and stating the facts as they happened to me. Believe what you like!

Must be hellish trying to squeeze a thought through that closed mind of yours.

[Araneus]

I am not trying to prove anything to you, nor am I about to get into an argument about what I did or did not see. Just sharing an interesting story, and stating the facts as they happened to me. And there was I assuming that posting a thread on a discussion forum meant you wanted to discuss what might have actually happened. Clearly the objective was that your report should be accepted at face value and taken to be the unquestionable Truth. My mistake. ::)

Must be hellish trying to squeeze a thought through that closed mind of yours.

Wow, three posts in and we're already into the stupid cliches.

I don't think the "Jackson's law" commentary ever made it onto the website, but the rule that "As a discussion with a believer grows longer, the probability that the believer will accuse the skeptic of being 'closed-minded' approaches 1" holds truer than ever. It's a pity they don't have the faintest idea what the phrase even means.

[Scottish_Girl]

Fine. Whatever floats your boat.

My original post was friendly, and IMO your reply was rude, scathing and scornful and did not appear to invite further discussion.

[tablemonkey]

Those walkie-talkies can pick up baby intercoms and maybe the battery was running out on the one in the drawer?

I think the jab was probably coincidence. Sometimes we get those feelings but if a person is thinking of a deceased person at the time, then that person might think it has something to do with it. But why should he wait for the time you were thinking of him?

If it had been anything other than his photo would you have assumed it was him? Or just put it down to a natural occurrence?

[Araneus]

My original post was friendly, and IMO your reply was rude, scathing and scornful and did not appear to invite further discussion.

I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way, it was supposed to be lighthearted.

Nevertheless, there are plenty of mundane explanations for a photograph jumping out of a drawer that do not involve the ghost of a dead relative. When combined with your admission that you had been dozing (and therefore could have been half-asleep at the time, or even dreamt the entire thing), the evidence of paranormal activity is not very strong.

Your assumption that the walkie-talkie cannot make a noise without the other one is also incorrect, as tablemonkey pointed out. These devices operate on a fairly narrow range of frequencies and it is quite possible that a similar device operated in the vicinity could trigger activity from your walkie-talkie.

[MRT]

If the photo was knocked into the drawer by accident, it is possible that it was stuck between the top of the drawer and the horizontal bit just above (whatever that is called - I know nothing about furniture). If it was in that position, it would naturally shoot out when you opened the drawer. I oten have things shoot out of drawers when I open them - that's because I stuff too much in them.

[Scottish_Girl]

Thanks for all the interesting thoughts on this. I tried jamming a photo in the drawer like the last poster suggested....but when I opened the drawer, it didn't 'fly' out the way I remembered the original photo did......it just fell back into the drawer. :cheesy:

There were no babies in the immediate vicinity from memory (for the baby monitor theory) but I guess someone up the street could have been using one...or some other item of equipment that made it screech like that out of the blue.

[Cuddles]

There were no babies in the immediate vicinity from memory (for the baby monitor theory) but I guess someone up the street could have been using one...or some other item of equipment that made it screech like that out of the blue.

All walkie-talkies, baby monitors and similar are just radios. The more professional radios, used in sports for example, can select from several different channels to avoid precisely the sort of cross-talk that you describe. Cheap radios like toy walkie-talkies can't, they will just be stuck on one channel that will be common to many devices. A radio you have picking up a signal from another radio is not in the least unusual. All it means is that another one working on the same frequency. A good example of this would be American Pie 2 (if you haven't seen it, don't), where a conversation between the main characters is picked up by the police, truckers, childrens toys and various other radios.

There are plenty of other less likely possibilities, that could result in a radio pulse on the same frequency, such as a power surge, military tests, solar flares and so on. And of course, it is always possible that it was simply the lost radio landing on its transmit button as fell wherever it was that you couldn't find it again.

[wooo_oops]

...as if to say 'I am still here' and it is just what he would have done when he was alive.

...It was almost as if he was saying 'Hey! You've forgotten all about me, bloody photo shoved in a drawer'.

It's possibly the meaning we attribute to these coincidences which make us think it could be a message from beyond the grave. Imagine if what had flown out of the drawer was something else other than a photograph? Because of the circumstances, you may still have found a meaning behind it, albeit a different one. When odd things happen, we tend to look for an explanation. When it can't be explained, an alternative may be invoked, such as a paranormal one.

Try this:
http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Articles/si92.html

[Scottish_Girl]

Talking about angry ghosts....;D

This one seems in a right flounce. :cheesy:

http://www.castleofspirits.com/hamptonghost.gif

http://www.castleofspirits.com/hamptoncourt.html

[median]

A 'ghost' with an uncanny knowledge of interlocking fire door pushbars no less ???

[donnygirl]

hello scottish girl
forgive me but you seemed to let yourself get talked out of something you know happenened
i wouldn't
i know that most people say there are explanations but sometimes there just aren't
must apologise new on here with a very open mind:smiley:
gonna get shot down now aren't i?

[Araneus]

forgive me but you seemed to let yourself get talked out of something you know happenened
i wouldn't
i know that most people say there are explanations but sometimes there just aren't

must apologise new on here with a very open mind:smiley:It's interesting that you claim to have an "open mind", whilst also suggesting that Scottish_Girl should accept the paranormal explanation as fact and refuse to consider any alternatives, which would be very "closed-minded" indeed.

In fact Scottish_Girl should be commended for being open to alternative explanations.

[Scottish_Girl]

Hi donnygirl! Thanks for your post.

I have had a number of extremely odd experiences, which I have been unable to find an explanation for. However, I guess I have another (more down to earth?) side that feels these experiences defy logic (the hotel ghost for example) and I am genuinely interested in other opinion and suggestion as to what else could have happened.

I don't really think I have been talked out of anything....:smiley: These experiences are after all mine, and I guess only I know what happened and how I felt.

I like to look at these things from all angles before I dismiss or accept them. However, I also have to say that personally I think there is more to heaven and earth than we will ever understand or science can explain.

Thanks for the compliment Araneus!

[donnygirl]

me too i wasn't trying to dismiss you or anyone else on there beliefs my mind is open to all things .
myself ?i have been on the receiving end of a few odd things that have happened and times i have thought nah can't have been.but other times when it happens and things can't be explained away who knows
i have a husband who keeps me grounded with his own thoughts and opinions doesn't mean i disrespect him for his thoughts
just makes for a nice lively discussion
listen to him he listens to me:smiley:

[-ES-]

All walkie-talkies, baby monitors and similar are just radios. The more professional radios, used in sports for example, can select from several different channels to avoid precisely the sort of cross-talk that you describe. Cheap radios like toy walkie-talkies can't, they will just be stuck on one channel that will be common to many devices. A radio you have picking up a signal from another radio is not in the least unusual. All it means is that another one working on the same frequency. A good example of this would be American Pie 2 (if you haven't seen it, don't), where a conversation between the main characters is picked up by the police, truckers, childrens toys and various other radios.


This is actually a very good point (great film btw) it would though depend on whether or not it was switched on in the first place or not, however it could've easily slid down something in the drawer witch nudged the switch into the on position, depending of course on how easily movable the switch was.

[jamiefox]

i have strange things happen when i have been like half asleep,that is when every thing happens, i have been woken up by a bang like a bomb going of but nothing has happened anywhere,

i think people must be dreaming when these things happen. after my dad died i did have one dream where i saw him on his bike with his work clothes on,

[wooo_oops]

i have strange things happen when i have been like half asleep,that is when every thing happens, i have been woken up by a bang like a bomb going of but nothing has happened anywhere

Sounds like Exploding Head Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome)

Nothing to worry about...;)

[Brown chick]

i so do belive in ghosts and ya i totally go with SG

[Bunny]

I do not doubt your story for one moment Scottish_Girl but we could debate the cause for ever. The point is however that because something is unexplained does not mean it is explainable. In order to attribute a paranormal explanation, then it follows that the laws of physics (and probably ever other science) can be violated. So Brown Chick, it's no good just saying "i so do belive in ghosts" because to do so means that you also have to believe that, for example, the law of gravity can be broken - the two things go together.

[Brown chick]

well my mom has experience real ghost before and my garndma too they say it's not the souls or stuff but it's another type of human that are like us but we can't see them or feel them around us moving ,talking and ya all other stuff but yes they are true .... i am not lying or making junk stuff they are real and totally there are proves of it ...

[MischiefMonkey]

It isn't a question of lying or making things up, it is a question of there may be perfectly rational, 'normal' explanations for 'ghosts' which aren't considered or explored. And if there is no suitable explanation then it is 'unknown' rather than automatically a ghost.

[bobdezon]

Ghost, as an explanation, is infact not an explantion at all. It is basically just saying:

"I have no idea and I cant be arsed looking for a rational answer, so I will accept a silly alternative without loooking too deeply at the subject"

Many people feel ghosts are real, but many people think the tooth fairy is also real. Does this make the tooth fairy real, if many believe in it?

There is just as much evidence for tooth fairies as there is for ghosts, which is to say absolutely non, unfortunately.

[Bunny]

well my mom has experience real ghost before and my garndma too they say it's not the souls or stuff but it's another type of human that are like us but we can't see them or feel them around us moving ,talking and ya all other stuff but yes they are true .... i am not lying or making junk stuff they are real and totally there are proves of it ...

No one is calling you a liar and I am sure that you do believe in ghosts, but believing something is real doesn't make it so. There will be rational real world explanations, it's just they are not immediately apparent that is all. As I said, just because it cannot be explained does not mean it is unexplainable.

[chillzero]

they are real and totally there are proves of it ...

can you show us any of this proof?

[brodski]

Ghost, as an explanation, is infact not an explantion at all. It is basically just saying:

"I have no idea and I cant be arsed looking for a rational answer, so I will accept a silly alternative without loooking too deeply at the subject"


the neatest phrasing of this "god of the gaps" type of argument I have seen is "we can't explain this, therefore we can explain this" ;)

[bobdezon]

I must admit I was unfamiliar with the "God of the gaps" argument. But I did find a nice explanation here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

I feel a little more educated now, think I might even strut a bit O0

[Brown chick]

No one is calling you a liar and I am sure that you do believe in ghosts, but believing something is real doesn't make it so. There will be rational real world explanations, it's just they are not immediately apparent that is all. As I said, just because it cannot be explained does not mean it is unexplainable.
thank for beliving me , it's more kind of relogious talking and people who are honest and good and all they are the one who mostly can see them feel them around and normal people can see them some times it really depends....

[Brown chick]

can you show us any of this proof?
i probly can't cause it's kida not gud and ya i don't wanna gain sins while proving it

[chillzero]

i probly can't cause it's kida not gud and ya i don't wanna gain sins while proving it

please elaborate
:smiley:

[bobdezon]

could be a wootastic bastardisation of the buddhist karma idea? explaining the woo could lead to negative cosmic karma or some such insanity.

[bindeweede]

i probly can't cause it's kida not gud and ya i don't wanna gain sins while proving it

Brown chick,

I am hoping to understand what you say. Can you explain what are the "sins" you feel you might gain?

[Brown chick]

Brown chick,

I am hoping to understand what you say. Can you explain what are the "sins" you feel you might gain?
well it kind more like i am not beliving what our god said to us and ya some thinhg like i am trying to prove our holy book wrong like for example there are some issues that rose and from holy bible says it's turebut people from other relogion says false and to prove
which can probly cause sins ( i am not christian so don't exactly know) and ya i guesse you got the point..............

[Brown chick]

please elaborate
:smiley:
huh?

[SimonC]

well it kind more like i am not beliving what our god said to us and ya some thinhg like i am trying to prove our holy book wrong like for example there are some issues that rose and from holy bible says it's turebut people from other relogion says false and to prove
which can probly cause sins ( i am not christian so don't exactly know) and ya i guesse you got the point..............

Hi Brown chick.

Please don't think that I'm being rude, but I really don't understand what you are saying in this post. You mention 'our god' and 'our holy book' and you also mention that you are not christian.

Do you have a religious belief? If you do, could you clarify how your religion relates to your belief in ghosts? How are you 'trying to prove your holy book wrong'? Also, I'm not clear what you meant by 'sins', in your earlier post.

I'm sorry if I'm missing what you are saying, but I hope that I will soon understand more.

[ZERO]

The religion I was raised in was similar in regards to it being a sin to try and prove it wrong.
It is like a built in protection mechanism to discourage questioning.

Of course, once you find proof the fear of sinning in that way no longer carries any weight.

[chillzero]

huh?

I am asking you to elaborate, which means, please explain further.

I'm afraid I can't follow the other response you gave at all.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

i probly can't cause it's kida not gud and ya i don't wanna gain sins while proving it

You can tell me, I've sinned already, and aren't planning to repent.

[Brown chick]

Hi Brown chick.

Please don't think that I'm being rude, but I really don't understand what you are saying in this post. You mention 'our god' and 'our holy book' and you also mention that you are not christian.

Do you have a religious belief? If you do, could you clarify how your religion relates to your belief in ghosts? How are you 'trying to prove your holy book wrong'? Also, I'm not clear what you meant by 'sins', in your earlier post.

I'm sorry if I'm missing what you are saying, but I hope that I will soon understand more.
that's ok i am muslim and we don't raelly belive in ghosts but some poeple calls them ghost cause they are made of fire and we are of sand they are humans but just little different like "fire and sand" well i am not tring to prove my holy book wrong but ya its kinda something like it....

[bobdezon]

Ive seen imams exorcise Djinn before. Doesnt matter what religion does it, its still quite silly. :undecided:

[Brown chick]

Ive seen imams exorcise Djinn before. Doesnt matter what religion does it, its still quite silly. :undecided:
silly ur mom!!

[filippo lippi]

Zzzzzziiiiinnnnnngggggggg!

[bobdezon]

silly ur mom!!

ur mom could use some exorcise too ^-^