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psychicsarah

15th July 2007, 01:28 PM

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Here is my take on it here below (with love!!!)

NB... Copy sent to Leicestershire police and info sent to Portugeuse Police through Dalkey Gardes in Dublin ....

I first got the psychic tip of Maddy being 2 to 4 miles North East from where she was taken before the Ducth tip off came in (a week before) ...so when I heard it on the news I KNEW is was NOT a hoax...it seems the approx distance of the place here decribed below is 7 to 9 KMS from P de LUZ

But the main point I wish to make is that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax...The search just has to move a little further to find the area described here below...

clues here below

Go 9 kms North East from P De Luz and work your way back towards P de LUz ......from the site of the tip off..to about 7 kms from P de Luz

There should be a site of the following description....just before you stop you drive down between two white inhabited houses...

Go through the village of the yellow houses and park up on the road when you can't go any further by car...get out and walk...there is a shrine on the road with red candles in it? then a concealed path...steep hill (One in 5 gradiient?)

There is a yellow derelict house and broken wall in this area...search along the wall....the key clue is the shrine on the side of the road with something in it....then there should be a pull in layby just after this....There should be fruit trees (not many ) one or two perhaps in the grounds of the house.

Also a gulley and steep hill...perhaps wooded at the top...very dense bushes and undergrowth in whole area

How many REMOTE outpost type places can there be within a 9 to 15 mile radius which fit this description???

With a bus stop...a petrol pump...old dilapidated thing...(Green?)

Two houses side by side ...that you drive through...'go between'

.....a broken wall... Pear trees growing

the yellow house? This house is PAINTED Yellow...possible Lemon coloured and faded ...but painted...(ie not simply that it is sandstone)...a broken wall beside it...derelict

Where is the isolated petrol pump? ...bus stop...and place where you can get food (small store...out post) ...it is isolated... a broken wall...off mud track of a road up in the hills...

She is not buried...area not yet searched...

San Miguel (name of a house?)...but this also links to 'LOOK FURTHER' .....the logo of the current San Miguel AD)

'pop or 'poppy' (Maddy's name for someone or something) ...'pippy'

63...number of a house....cork trees in the region have dates on the trunks...

A broken wall is IMPORTANT...I gather there is one beside the yellow house...

Search needs to continue....'9 and go back' is also significant....was she driven 9 miles out and then the man/woman came back...ie he/she is local...

It is a 20 minute drive when the roads are deserted

NB>>> Joanna is also missing in the area...she went missing 2004 and body has never been found...last seen coming out of a shop in the village of Figueira

Article re MAddy

Clearly the magnificently over-the-top international MADDY campaign has the appearance of being commendable; but in my opinion this is a futile search across the world which is leading to all sorts of bogus sightings and misleading stories that are wasting police time. Gypsies in airports, A blond lady collecting her blond child from the Gypsies in the hills, Numerous sightings in Africa, Amsterdam, Africa, and 101 sightings in Malta. This is one well-travelled child.

Of course all leads have to be investigated, and I do not mean to be irresponsible in what I am saying. It is just that I strongly believe that the elevated profile of Maddy’s parents and the ‘Find Maddy’ campaign has actually lengthened the duration of the search. Okay the Maddy hunt has raised the profile of missing kids everywhere, which can only be positive, and hopefully the Maddy fund will be put to good use in time to help others.

The Mc Cann’s are now making the search for Maddy their life’s work. Gerry Mc Cann has vowed to dedicate the rest of his time on earth to finding his daughter. As her father, this is exactly what you would expect him to say and do. I only hope it does not take that long. The guilt the Mc Cann’s must be feeling is immense; yet I really feel they are barking up the wrong tree. They are under the impression that Maddy has been abducted, and is still alive, waiting to be found or released. I certainly hope and pray this is true, but when Gerry and Kate were interviewed from their hill top villa last week sharing their myriad of ideas of ‘how to keep the profile high’ I found myself almost shouting at the TV...

WHY ARE YOU NOT SCOURING THE HILLS BEHIND YOU?

I know if I were Maddy’s mum I would be doing exactly that. Kate has said herself that she feels closest to Maddy in Portugal. Even though logically speaking Maddy could now be back in the UK, I believe a mother’s instinct is never wrong.

I am glad that the Mc Cann’s got to visit The Pope, and the butterfly which fluttered around Kate when she held The Pope’s hand can surely be taken as a sign of hope?

True, it could be, but butterflies often signal a passing from this world to the next and they are frequently seen at funerals. They represent transition, transformation and resurrection. I do believe this butterfly was a sign from Maddy, reassuring her mother, trying to bringing her some comfort…

I can not go into all the clues I have now passed onto the police but I believe that Maddy is not a stone’s throw from where she was taken. I believe she is in a place which is a 20 minute drive away when the roads are deserted.

I had not intended to get involved psychically in the search for Maddy, but shortly BEFORE the tip off from the Dutch newspaper I got a strong message that the authorities needed to search an area 2 to 4 miles from Pereira de Luz in a North Easterly direction.

Having searched the internet for the opinion of other psychics on this matter, I was probably as confused as anyone until this STRONG message happened upon me.

Many psychics on the net seemed to be linking Maddy’s abduction with boats, water, Northern Africa, remote farm buildings, out houses etc. Some were saying she was still alive in a family situation with her hair dyed black, possibly being kept in Spain or Northern Africa. None of it felt right to me. Okay, they may be right and I may be wrong; but I don’t get a whiff of a boat, water, or black wigs linking to this case. I believe she is inland in a remote desolate place…

In a way I hope I was just picking up on the Dutch related search; but that seems too obscure to me and most unlikely. It is not really born out by my experience of predicting stuff in the past. What would be the point in that? To me it confirmed that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax…This seemed to be the most specific lead thus far and I wish they would keep looking…

After the Dutch Tip off which linked the search directly to Oxadiere, it seemed that the ‘2 to 4’ message meant 2 to 4 cms on my map (Irish Indo’s recent Algarve booklet).

This area covers exactly the 9 to 15 kms from Pereira De Luz to Oxadiere and then on to Figueira. These two villages are exactly North East of Pereira De Luz. Oxadiere is 9 kms away (2cms) and Figueira (where a girl called Joanna was last seen in 2004) is 15 kms away (4 cms).

I am not suggesting these two crimes are linked, but I do believe the two girls are both out there waiting to be found. It could yet prove to be correct that she is in fact only 2 to 4 miles from Pereira De Luz. The overlap between the Dutch tip off and my info is interesting and to me validates the need to search MUCH more extensively in a 20 km radius North of Pereira.

When the tip off came in from Holland I just KNEW they had the right lead. I was so frustrated to hear that they had only given a cursory search because they had already covered the area. I do NOT think the tip off from the Dutch newspaper was a hoax. They found a towel when this area was searched…which may or may not be the towel in which she was carried out of the apartment. A similar tip off to the Dutch newspaper a couple of years ago exactly pin pointed where two kids were to be found in Belgian. Allegedly the tip off was from a psychic.

I do not believe it was…

Surely this should have seen the beginning of a massive search in the area…I feel strongly that they need to keep searching the mountainous region North of Pereira De Luz and I am particularly drawn to the road to Pereira which leads in a westerly direction off the northerly road to Monchique.

Joanna went missing in 2004, 7 miles from where Maddy was taken. She was last seen coming out of a shop in the village of Figueira. The Mother was put away for this crime after a confession was beaten out of her. She admitted to mutilating her daughter’s body under duress. The Policeman who recently got reprimanded by a magistrate for his unorthodox techniques is still in charge of the investigation to find Maddy. I am not saying these two missing girls are linked by the same crime or the same criminal, but they ARE both out there waiting to be found. I would be absolutely over the moon if Joanna were found as a result of the psychic tip offs, and that Maddy has simply been whisked away for a time to be doted on by someone feeling the void of a child in their lives…But…

Anyhow, I have passed this and other info onto Sky News and a couple of journalists in The Algarve. I had heard about the secretive system and unusual laws in Portugal so thought it best to try some other avenues to pass on the info I had received. I also emailed the Leicester Police just in case they could pass the message on. Unusually I went onto the message boards of sky news because I felt strongly that an enlightened journalist or the police would read it and get in touch. Normally I would keep such information totally private and go straight to the Gardes. But in this case I felt very strongly that it was right to try to get the info out in this way.

I knew I was setting myself up for criticism, but I felt it was the best way to try and help find Maddy. I know the Mc Cann’s are deeply religious and would never seek out a reputable psychic on this matter; even though I too have a strong faith. This was the only approach I could think of to take. It was a judgement call that looked all wrong, but which actually turned out okay. My posts on the message boards DID have the desired effect. An ex cop saw them and phoned me.

This officer ‘happened upon’ the lively discussion I was having with scathing skeptics and people generally ignorant on all things psychic. I now wish I had not taken this route to getting involved in the hunt for Maddy, as it seemed to be a pointless, negative discussion. Thankfully though, the right person DID see what I was trying to do and got in touch

The ex Police officer is now out in Portugal following up the leads and searching for further evidence (Maddy’s pyjamas). This person noticed that what I was saying coincided with what a reputable psychic in Wakefield had told her about Maddy. This lady is now out there with her father pursuing these leads privately. I hope they get somewhere…but of course they may not.

The info has also been passed on to the Portuguese Police through our own Garde system. A random call I made to RTE’s Crime Call after the Mc Cann’s appearance lead to two detectives on my doorstep last weekend. They had come looking for Irish holiday snaps, but at least their visit meant that the info would finally get through to the Mc cann’s and the Portuguese Police. I hope this all leads to a resolution for Maddy’s sake.

After my experience on the message boards I am painfully aware that some people just do not like psychics or their take on life, so let’s just be logical for a second.

IF Maddy is alive there is really only one scenario which fits with all the clues coming in across the ether. One thing IS for sure; to still be alive at this point Maddy would have to be VERY well looked after. Maddy is a bright but delicate child. The distinctive marking on her eye indicates a weak spleen and stomach. One kick and she would be gone. I am not saying this is what has happened to her because it is not. Suffice to say though, Maddy would NOT cope with anything physically difficult for too long.

Because of her physical weakness, if she is still alive Maddy must surely now be happily ensconced with a loving Northern African family who paid handsomely for the privilege of having a gorgeous blue eyed blond child in their midst. To escape the pressure this family recently escaped for a holiday on their private boat to the small civilized island of Malta where everybody knows everybody. A couple of nights ago because of all the attention, they returned under cover of darkness to their third home in Algeria where they will reside while they work out what to do next.

Hopefully soon they will get severe pangs of conscience and release Maddy into a crowded market place, or leave her in a church. At the worst, perhaps they will just keep her until she is a teenager when she will manage to escape by herself if she even wants to by then…

An unconvincing fairy tale or the truth?

psychicsarah

15th July 2007, 01:31 PM

Here is my take on it here below (with love!!!)

NB... Copy sent to Leicestershire police and info sent to Portugeuse Police through Dalkey Gardes in Dublin ....

I first got the psychic tip of Maddy being 2 to 4 miles North East from where she was taken before the Ducth tip off came in (a week before) ...so when I heard it on the news I KNEW is was NOT a hoax...it seems the approx distance of the place here decribed below is 7 to 9 KMS from P de LUZ

But the main point I wish to make is that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax...The search just has to move a little further to find the area described here below...

clues here below

Go 9 kms North East from P De Luz and work your way back towards P de LUz ......from the site of the tip off..to about 7 kms from P de Luz

There should be a site of the following description....just before you stop you drive down between two white inhabited houses...

Go through the village of the yellow houses and park up on the road when you can't go any further by car...get out and walk...there is a shrine on the road with red candles in it? then a concealed path...steep hill (One in 5 gradiient?)

There is a yellow derelict house and broken wall in this area...search along the wall....the key clue is the shrine on the side of the road with something in it....then there should be a pull in layby just after this....There should be fruit trees (not many ) one or two perhaps in the grounds of the house.

Also a gulley and steep hill...perhaps wooded at the top...very dense bushes and undergrowth in whole area

How many REMOTE outpost type places can there be within a 9 to 15 mile radius which fit this description???

With a bus stop...a petrol pump...old dilapidated thing...(Green?)

Two houses side by side ...that you drive through...'go between'

.....a broken wall... Pear trees growing

the yellow house? This house is PAINTED Yellow...possible Lemon coloured and faded ...but painted...(ie not simply that it is sandstone)...a broken wall beside it...derelict

Where is the isolated petrol pump? ...bus stop...and place where you can get food (small store...out post) ...it is isolated... a broken wall...off mud track of a road up in the hills...

She is not buried...area not yet searched...

San Miguel (name of a house?)...but this also links to 'LOOK FURTHER' .....the logo of the current San Miguel AD)

'pop or 'poppy' (Maddy's name for someone or something) ...'pippy'

63...number of a house....cork trees in the region have dates on the trunks...

A broken wall is IMPORTANT...I gather there is one beside the yellow house...

Search needs to continue....'9 and go back' is also significant....was she driven 9 miles out and then the man/woman came back...ie he/she is local...

It is a 20 minute drive when the roads are deserted

NB>>> Joanna is also missing in the area...she went missing 2004 and body has never been found...last seen coming out of a shop in the village of Figueira

Article re MAddy

Clearly the magnificently over-the-top international MADDY campaign has the appearance of being commendable; but in my opinion this is a futile search across the world which is leading to all sorts of bogus sightings and misleading stories that are wasting police time. Gypsies in airports, A blond lady collecting her blond child from the Gypsies in the hills, Numerous sightings in Africa, Amsterdam, Africa, and 101 sightings in Malta. This is one well-travelled child.

Of course all leads have to be investigated, and I do not mean to be irresponsible in what I am saying. It is just that I strongly believe that the elevated profile of Maddy’s parents and the ‘Find Maddy’ campaign has actually lengthened the duration of the search. Okay the Maddy hunt has raised the profile of missing kids everywhere, which can only be positive, and hopefully the Maddy fund will be put to good use in time to help others.

The Mc Cann’s are now making the search for Maddy their life’s work. Gerry Mc Cann has vowed to dedicate the rest of his time on earth to finding his daughter. As her father, this is exactly what you would expect him to say and do. I only hope it does not take that long. The guilt the Mc Cann’s must be feeling is immense; yet I really feel they are barking up the wrong tree. They are under the impression that Maddy has been abducted, and is still alive, waiting to be found or released. I certainly hope and pray this is true, but when Gerry and Kate were interviewed from their hill top villa last week sharing their myriad of ideas of ‘how to keep the profile high’ I found myself almost shouting at the TV...

WHY ARE YOU NOT SCOURING THE HILLS BEHIND YOU?

I know if I were Maddy’s mum I would be doing exactly that. Kate has said herself that she feels closest to Maddy in Portugal. Even though logically speaking Maddy could now be back in the UK, I believe a mother’s instinct is never wrong.

I am glad that the Mc Cann’s got to visit The Pope, and the butterfly which fluttered around Kate when she held The Pope’s hand can surely be taken as a sign of hope?

True, it could be, but butterflies often signal a passing from this world to the next and they are frequently seen at funerals. They represent transition, transformation and resurrection. I do believe this butterfly was a sign from Maddy, reassuring her mother, trying to bringing her some comfort…

I can not go into all the clues I have now passed onto the police but I believe that Maddy is not a stone’s throw from where she was taken. I believe she is in a place which is a 20 minute drive away when the roads are deserted.

I had not intended to get involved psychically in the search for Maddy, but shortly BEFORE the tip off from the Dutch newspaper I got a strong message that the authorities needed to search an area 2 to 4 miles from Pereira de Luz in a North Easterly direction.

Having searched the internet for the opinion of other psychics on this matter, I was probably as confused as anyone until this STRONG message happened upon me.

Many psychics on the net seemed to be linking Maddy’s abduction with boats, water, Northern Africa, remote farm buildings, out houses etc. Some were saying she was still alive in a family situation with her hair dyed black, possibly being kept in Spain or Northern Africa. None of it felt right to me. Okay, they may be right and I may be wrong; but I don’t get a whiff of a boat, water, or black wigs linking to this case. I believe she is inland in a remote desolate place…

In a way I hope I was just picking up on the Dutch related search; but that seems too obscure to me and most unlikely. It is not really born out by my experience of predicting stuff in the past. What would be the point in that? To me it confirmed that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax…This seemed to be the most specific lead thus far and I wish they would keep looking…

After the Dutch Tip off which linked the search directly to Oxadiere, it seemed that the ‘2 to 4’ message meant 2 to 4 cms on my map (Irish Indo’s recent Algarve booklet).

This area covers exactly the 9 to 15 kms from Pereira De Luz to Oxadiere and then on to Figueira. These two villages are exactly North East of Pereira De Luz. Oxadiere is 9 kms away (2cms) and Figueira (where a girl called Joanna was last seen in 2004) is 15 kms away (4 cms).

I am not suggesting these two crimes are linked, but I do believe the two girls are both out there waiting to be found. It could yet prove to be correct that she is in fact only 2 to 4 miles from Pereira De Luz. The overlap between the Dutch tip off and my info is interesting and to me validates the need to search MUCH more extensively in a 20 km radius North of Pereira.

When the tip off came in from Holland I just KNEW they had the right lead. I was so frustrated to hear that they had only given a cursory search because they had already covered the area. I do NOT think the tip off from the Dutch newspaper was a hoax. They found a towel when this area was searched…which may or may not be the towel in which she was carried out of the apartment. A similar tip off to the Dutch newspaper a couple of years ago exactly pin pointed where two kids were to be found in Belgian. Allegedly the tip off was from a psychic.

I do not believe it was…

Surely this should have seen the beginning of a massive search in the area…I feel strongly that they need to keep searching the mountainous region North of Pereira De Luz and I am particularly drawn to the road to Pereira which leads in a westerly direction off the northerly road to Monchique.

Joanna went missing in 2004, 7 miles from where Maddy was taken. She was last seen coming out of a shop in the village of Figueira. The Mother was put away for this crime after a confession was beaten out of her. She admitted to mutilating her daughter’s body under duress. The Policeman who recently got reprimanded by a magistrate for his unorthodox techniques is still in charge of the investigation to find Maddy. I am not saying these two missing girls are linked by the same crime or the same criminal, but they ARE both out there waiting to be found. I would be absolutely over the moon if Joanna were found as a result of the psychic tip offs, and that Maddy has simply been whisked away for a time to be doted on by someone feeling the void of a child in their lives…But…

Anyhow, I have passed this and other info onto Sky News and a couple of journalists in The Algarve. I had heard about the secretive system and unusual laws in Portugal so thought it best to try some other avenues to pass on the info I had received. I also emailed the Leicester Police just in case they could pass the message on. Unusually I went onto the message boards of sky news because I felt strongly that an enlightened journalist or the police would read it and get in touch. Normally I would keep such information totally private and go straight to the Gardes. But in this case I felt very strongly that it was right to try to get the info out in this way.

I knew I was setting myself up for criticism, but I felt it was the best way to try and help find Maddy. I know the Mc Cann’s are deeply religious and would never seek out a reputable psychic on this matter; even though I too have a strong faith. This was the only approach I could think of to take. It was a judgement call that looked all wrong, but which actually turned out okay. My posts on the message boards DID have the desired effect. An ex cop saw them and phoned me.

This officer ‘happened upon’ the lively discussion I was having with scathing skeptics and people generally ignorant on all things psychic. I now wish I had not taken this route to getting involved in the hunt for Maddy, as it seemed to be a pointless, negative discussion. Thankfully though, the right person DID see what I was trying to do and got in touch

The ex Police officer is now out in Portugal following up the leads and searching for further evidence (Maddy’s pyjamas). This person noticed that what I was saying coincided with what a reputable psychic in Wakefield had told her about Maddy. This lady is now out there with her father pursuing these leads privately. I hope they get somewhere…but of course they may not.

The info has also been passed on to the Portuguese Police through our own Garde system. A random call I made to RTE’s Crime Call after the Mc Cann’s appearance lead to two detectives on my doorstep last weekend. They had come looking for Irish holiday snaps, but at least their visit meant that the info would finally get through to the Mc cann’s and the Portuguese Police. I hope this all leads to a resolution for Maddy’s sake.

After my experience on the message boards I am painfully aware that some people just do not like psychics or their take on life, so let’s just be logical for a second.

IF Maddy is alive there is really only one scenario which fits with all the clues coming in across the ether. One thing IS for sure; to still be alive at this point Maddy would have to be VERY well looked after. Maddy is a bright but delicate child. The distinctive marking on her eye indicates a weak spleen and stomach. One kick and she would be gone. I am not saying this is what has happened to her because it is not. Suffice to say though, Maddy would NOT cope with anything physically difficult for too long.

Because of her physical weakness, if she is still alive Maddy must surely now be happily ensconced with a loving Northern African family who paid handsomely for the privilege of having a gorgeous blue eyed blond child in their midst. To escape the pressure this family recently escaped for a holiday on their private boat to the small civilized island of Malta where everybody knows everybody. A couple of nights ago because of all the attention, they returned under cover of darkness to their third home in Algeria where they will reside while they work out what to do next.

Hopefully soon they will get severe pangs of conscience and release Maddy into a crowded market place, or leave her in a church. At the worst, perhaps they will just keep her until she is a teenager when she will manage to escape by herself if she even wants to by then…

An unconvincing fairy tale or the truth?

NB

More on sky news thread entitiled 'psychic help in the maddy case'

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News (https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=1243&Category=UK%20News)

More on Mirror forum...thread 'entitiled psychic update'

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2559&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

psychicsarah

17th July 2007, 11:34 AM

Someone posted the evidence thus far on sky...it is interesting

https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=2148&Category=UK%20News

I have never yet read about the case...so it was interesting to see it all laid out

what I find really odd are these two comments below....they read to me like they are very contrived...

quote

He (Gerry) starts by saying he first checked the children at 9.05. When he entered the apartment, he just thought it was starnge that the bedroom door was partly open. But he checked the window, which was closed, just like the shutters, and relaxed.

His friend Jane Tanner, Russell’s wife, says that ten minutes after he returned to the table, it was her turn to check the rooms. She crossed ways with a dark haired man who was walking in the opposite direction carrying a child, but she didn’t find it strange. But she memorized the individual from head to toes, so she could later describe him in great detail.

I picked up psychically that Maddy was taken at 9.10....(was the person in the apartment when Gerry checked.?)..

I actually feel he did not check at all at that time at all ...and it is nonsense that 10 minutes after he was back that Jane Tanner then went to check..I am sure .they did NOT check this regularly on the kids...

What I suspect is that Jane Tanner went to check....but only put her head inside the door of the apartment and on hearing nothing came back...(if she checked at all...in other words in a way she did NOT check at all...I do not believe she clapped eyes on the kids at all...if she had she would have seen Maddy was gone....I strongly pick up she was taken at 9.10pm)

I bet that Gerry did not go at that time of 9 05 he said...I suspect they were checked for the first (and only) time at quarter to 9 (if then) ...then Kate found her gone at 10pm

I actually think the first time they were checked properly was when Kate went up at 10pm

I do not believe that Gerry and Jane checked within 10 minutes of each other...

Jane's comment makes no sense because Maddy wasn't discovered missing until Kate went up to the depratment at 10 to collect something

IN which case Jane must be having a severe memory lapse...other wise she would have found Maddy gone sooner than 10

I strongly suspect that Jane may NOT have seen a man carrying Maddy at all.... or that if she did ...her statement of saying she checked him out very carefully is a complete lie...if she were THAT suspicious of him...she would have challenged him

I do not trust this evidence from Gerry and Jane...but it doesn't mean either of them did it...it simply shows their possible lack of memory on this matter .....

Dr B

17th July 2007, 06:42 PM

I'm sorry - but this is not evidence. It is no more than rambling nonsense.

Araneus

17th July 2007, 09:16 PM

It's simply incredible how many words somebody can use to say absolutely nothing.

vbloke

17th July 2007, 09:53 PM

... snip...

rambling nonsense - either condense it down to something intelligible or just admit that that's a large pile of straws you're clutching at.

psychicsarah

18th July 2007, 12:27 PM

It is called an article boys...

But will work on condensing it for you..

Dr B

18th July 2007, 12:38 PM

It is called an article boys...

No it's not - its called rambling.

But will work on condensing it for you..

Much appreciated. During your revision try to be (i) as explicit as you can be, (ii) as logical as you can be (iii) provide as much refutable evidence as you can, and (iv) avoid open-ended statements and speculation. O0

psychicsarah

23rd July 2007, 03:41 PM

Hope this is concise enough

She will soon be found...

vbloke

23rd July 2007, 03:45 PM

Hope this is concise enough

She will soon be found...How soon is "soon"?
This week, next week, next month?

You'll have to do better than that.

psychicsarah

23rd July 2007, 03:53 PM

Forgot to update you...

The ex cop (mentioned in article...sorry 'waffle' ... above) found something of significance in a place which matched my description

I liased with her when she was over there by text and phone

We reported what was found to local police and now hope it leads to a more extensive search of the area...

It is a little further down the road from the Dutch Tip off

I am not convinced they will search further as the local police seem to be HOT re the leads regarding Murat and Malinka and the thought that she has been taken out by boat...(re the fairy tale version above)

Re 'when'....I always felt the 26th was very significant...it ends a Uranus cycle and is the 84th day...I would say if she is not found on this day there will be a significant break through on this day

She will be found by mid August any how ...I would say in the next 2 to 3 weeks..

My main psychic leads were re LOCATION as opposed to what happened to her and why (though I have those impressions to and went into these in more detail for the detectives...they are not for pubic consumption)

But I believe Maddy will be found by some one going about their daily business....'happened upon'

vbloke

23rd July 2007, 04:15 PM

OK then.

Give us a LOCATION to within 200 yards radius (not "in a wooded area" which is vague enough to be anywhere) or a place name or road name.

Time - you've said 2 - 3 weeks, by mid-august. We'll hold you to that.

Dr B

23rd July 2007, 04:51 PM

This is still rambling nonsense....move along everyone....there is nothing to see here....move along....

:angel:

Dr B

23rd July 2007, 05:01 PM

Hope this is concise enough

She will soon be found...

I noticed you failed to be...

(i) as explicit as you can be, (ii) as logical as you can be (iii) provide as much refutable evidence as you can, and (iv) avoid open-ended statements and speculation. O0

Try again or go away.

John Jackson

23rd July 2007, 05:50 PM

Does anyone know anything about the Revs on this forum?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/249341/thread/1183353426/last-1183410261/Where+is+Madeline-+++++++++THREAD++05

I think the postings are getting a bit scary and likely to upset some people so I wondered if you'd heard about him/her/they before?

Thanks in advance.

Someone emailed me about that forum and it's commented on here: http://www.ukskeptics.com/commentary/2007/07/22/madeleine-mccann-psychic-predictions-and-insights/

I don't know who these guys are though.

I found it ironic that psychics, people who give out completely erroneous and uncorroborated information, should be so offended by someone else doing exactly the same thing!

Their proviso for being a 'genuine psychic' seems to be that you have to say nice things. ::)

To me, it shouldn't be about how nice the things they say are but how accurate they are.

It was quite revealing about how they think actually. They took it implicitly that the posting was a load of rubbish (i.e. not accurate) and were deeply shocked that someone could come out with such statements.

Perhaps they should apply the same level of insight to the complete crap they come out with themselves? Then they might just realise why non-psychics are equally as disgusted at the rubbish that they come out with.

John Jackson

23rd July 2007, 08:27 PM

Hope this is concise enough

She will soon be found...

In true psychic style even that little sentence is as vague and meaningless as you can get!! ;D

I've just been reading your posts (the ones you haven't deleted - you do a lot of that for some reason) on the Mirror forum. They've got you sussed haven't they?

Right...

You say that an ex-police woman went over to Portugal to locate the place that you predicted needs searching. You also say that this ex-policewoman didn't make a note of the location. Are we expected to believe that someone, an ex-professional, spent their time and money going to Portugal to investigate your claim, found the location and didn't make a note of where it was?

Guess what? I don't believe you.

You seem to be having trouble deciding whether Madeleine is buried or concealed, alive or dead, but you're sure that she will be found "soon" although if she's not, the time when she should have been found will be "significant" anyway.

Guess what? I don't believe you.

I think that you really do think that you're having some input on this case, but I suspect the police will have checked you out, labelled you as a time-wasting crank, and the 'information' you're giving them will be filed in the most appropriate container: a bin.

I'm sorry, but to me, you look like your living out a fantasy here much like Amanda Hart (whose psychic insights are nothing like yours).

And all this "I only want to help Madeleine" crap is just a fallacious Appeal to Virtue. The fact that you're sharing your psychic fantasy world on public forums suggests that it's all about one person: you.

John Jackson

23rd July 2007, 09:15 PM

I've split this posting to form a new topic as it had nothing to do with the Matthew James thread and there are some claims here, although rather vague at times and without context.

John Jackson

23rd July 2007, 10:16 PM

I first got the psychic tip of Maddy being 2 to 4 miles North East from where she was taken before the Ducth tip off came in (a week before) ...so when I heard it on the news I KNEW is was NOT a hoax...it seems the approx distance of the place here decribed below is 7 to 9 KMS from P de LUZ

But the main point I wish to make is that the Dutch tip off was NOT a hoax...The search just has to move a little further to find the area described here below...

The point is that you don't know that it wasn't a hoax. A 'psychic tip' cannot be considered as a reliable way of discerning truth.

The Dutch tip-off was investigated and nothing was found. From here (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007270810,00.html):For several hours, more than 30 Guarda Nacional Repulicana, 20 Policia Judiciara (PJ) and four specialist dogs combed the scrubland.
But the search was called off later in the morning and the lead dismissed.
Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa from the PJ said: “The search has been carried out. This clue has been completely checked and the result was negative, so the investigation goes on.”
But you're claiming that the information was genuine and the police just didn't look hard enough?

Let's look at the clues:

Go 9 kms North East from P De Luz and work your way back towards P de LUz ......from the site of the tip off..to about 7 kms from P de Luz

There should be a site of the following description....just before you stop you drive down between two white inhabited houses...

Go through the village of the yellow houses and park up on the road when you can't go any further by car...get out and walk...there is a shrine on the road with red candles in it? then a concealed path...steep hill (One in 5 gradiient?)

There is a yellow derelict house and broken wall in this area...search along the wall....the key clue is the shrine on the side of the road with something in it....then there should be a pull in layby just after this....There should be fruit trees (not many ) one or two perhaps in the grounds of the house.

Also a gulley and steep hill...perhaps wooded at the top...very dense bushes and undergrowth in whole area

How many REMOTE outpost type places can there be within a 9 to 15 mile radius which fit this description???

With a bus stop...a petrol pump...old dilapidated thing...(Green?)

Two houses side by side ...that you drive through...'go between'

.....a broken wall... Pear trees growing

Is this the place that the ex-policewoman found but forgot to write down the location?

Well, it's so specific that I'm sure it could be found again.

So, we have:

the yellow house? This house is PAINTED Yellow...possible Lemon coloured and faded ...but painted...(ie not simply that it is sandstone)...a broken wall beside it...derelict

A house that is derelict with a broken wall (not too unlikely) but is also painted yellow.

Well, I don't know about how they paint their houses in Portugal but if your location is also right then it should be able to be located. That's if there aren't a lot of derelict houses in that area and that painting houses yellow is rather uncommon.

Where is the isolated petrol pump? ...bus stop...and place where you can get food (small store...out post) ...it is isolated... a broken wall...off mud track of a road up in the hills...

You're just asking questions - I can't see how this really helps. You're the psychic so why don't you tell us? Unless you reveal useful information, all you're doing is making statements and asking questions that have no value as they can only be verified/falsified after the crime has been solved (!)

She is not buried...area not yet searched...

OK, a claim; but it can't be verified until after she's found.

San Miguel (name of a house?)...but this also links to 'LOOK FURTHER' .....the logo of the current San Miguel AD)

Again a question and no indication of what it's meant to mean or signify. It can't be verified until after she's found.

'pop or 'poppy' (Maddy's name for someone or something) ...'pippy'

How does that help in any way? Again, it's just something that can only be made to fit after she's found. It's meaningless until it's retrofitted. I take it that "puppy" can be ruled out as it would be so obvious?

63...number of a house....cork trees in the region have dates on the trunks...

Is 63 the number of the house that's painted yellow or just the number of a house?

Cork trees in all regions will probably have dates on them. How does this help? How can this information help? It's set up to be retrofitted again.

A broken wall is IMPORTANT...I gather there is one beside the yellow house...

Important in what way? What actual significance does it have and how can its importance be used to help the case?

Search needs to continue....'9 and go back' is also significant....was she driven 9 miles out and then the man/woman came back...ie he/she is local...

This is another rhetorical question. Even if (s)he is local how does this help? In an area where perhaps tens of thousands of people live saying (s)he's local isn't of much use in predicting anything.

It is a 20 minute drive when the roads are deserted

What is?

And again, how can that be used to predict anything or help in any way? Not only do we not know where the starting point is we also don't know who is doing the travelling.

If you want to play at being a Psychic Detective then you're going to have to come up with information that can be used to solve the crime and not make statements that can only be evaluated after the crime has been solved by the police.

Anyone who looks into the the way self-proclaimed psychic detectives work will recognise the statements that have no predictive value but are sufficiently vague as to be retrofitted after the event.

Things that 'link in', 'have significance' or are given without context or meaning cannot be used in any useful or meaningful way. They can only be used by psychics after the event to claim that they 'helped the police'.

Well they don't help the police - apart from in their imaginations. ;)

Julia

23rd July 2007, 10:45 PM

Well said, John! I'm damn sure that the rambling, incoherent tips given to the world's police forces by "psychics" go straight into the bin.

Jocky

24th July 2007, 09:44 AM

Well said, John! I'm damn sure that the rambling, incoherent tips given to the world's police forces by "psychics" go straight into the bin.

Damn right they do! Look! (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=47)

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 11:38 AM

I am glad that the Mc Cann’s got to visit The Pope, and the butterfly which fluttered around Kate when she held The Pope’s hand can surely be taken as a sign of hope?

True, it could be, but butterflies often signal a passing from this world to the next and they are frequently seen at funerals. They represent transition, transformation and resurrection. I do believe this butterfly was a sign from Maddy, reassuring her mother, trying to bringing her some comfort…

How do you know that about butterflies? Could you tell us how that was discerned or cite a reliable source?

Of course you can't. You see, all of this is just fanciful interpretation and it means whatever you want it to mean.

Many psychics on the net seemed to be linking Maddy’s abduction with boats, water, Northern Africa, remote farm buildings, out houses etc. Some were saying she was still alive in a family situation with her hair dyed black, possibly being kept in Spain or Northern Africa. None of it felt right to me. Okay, they may be right and I may be wrong; but I don’t get a whiff of a boat, water, or black wigs linking to this case. I believe she is inland in a remote desolate place…

If psychic power is real, why is it that they all come up with completely different information?

Surely if any of this was true then psychics should at least be reasonably close and their information should converge.

They all think that they are right, and they all want to be taken very seriously, but the fact that each one has a different story to tell means that none of them can be taken seriously.

Unusually I went onto the message boards of sky news because I felt strongly that an enlightened journalist or the police would read it and get in touch. Normally I would keep such information totally private and go straight to the Gardes. But in this case I felt very strongly that it was right to try to get the info out in this way.

Nothing to do with getting publicity for yourself then? ;)

I simply do not believe psychics who promote themselves by using their real names, and links back to their website etc. on public message boards then claim to be doing this for altruistic reasons.

I knew I was setting myself up for criticism, but I felt it was the best way to try and help find Maddy. I know the Mc Cann’s are deeply religious and would never seek out a reputable psychic on this matter; even though I too have a strong faith. This was the only approach I could think of to take. It was a judgement call that looked all wrong, but which actually turned out okay. My posts on the message boards DID have the desired effect. An ex cop saw them and phoned me.

So you are fully aware that the McCanns are religious and do not want or believe in psychics so you devised another way of getting involved even though your interference is unwelcome!

Again, this strongly indicates that your "I just want to help Madeleine" claim is bogus and this is all about you.

And it's rather disgusting of you to force your unwelcome and fantasy-driven views on people at the lowest time of their lives.

This officer ‘happened upon’ the lively discussion I was having with scathing skeptics and people generally ignorant on all things psychic.

I tend to find that skeptics know far more about alleged psychic abilities than the claimants do (!)

Ask them to explain the difference between a medium and a channeller, for example, and they haven't got a clue.

I now wish I had not taken this route to getting involved in the hunt for Maddy, as it seemed to be a pointless, negative discussion.

People have seen through your self-serving motivation here and see you for what you are: a psychic wannabe hoping to make a name for herself on the back of someone else's pain and grief.

Did it really surprise you that others found what you're doing disgusting?

After my experience on the message boards I am painfully aware that some people just do not like psychics or their take on life, so let’s just be logical for a second.

A psychic is telling skeptics to get logical!!! ;D

An unconvincing fairy tale or the truth?

:ponder:

That's a hard one. ::)

Sarah, you may well believe in your magical powers but your fantasy version of events is no more believable or useful than any of the other psychics' who've involved themselves with this case.

You may think that what you have to say is important but to those of us looking at all psychics in this case you're just another one in the crowd whose 'information' just adds to the noise. Your information is just more contradictory nonsense coming from someone who believes they have a magical ability.

chillzero

24th July 2007, 01:04 PM

Regarding the specifics of the Algarve location... does anyone have Google Earth?

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 02:38 PM

You are ommitting to acknowledge one thing...the clues lead to us finding the site...

I was in Ireland...the ex police officer in Portrugal...we liased by text

We found something of significance in a SPECIFIC place...and reported it

This is NOT rambling nonsense...

NO they haven't got me sussed on the mirror forum...there is alot of negativity and ignorance on that forum...and bullying too..they don't have the first idea of what I am trying to do...which is to simply HELP

But at least the forum led to the person getting in touch who then went out and found the place (this was why I went on the forum in the first place and this intuition was proven to be CORRECT)

I do not work as a psychic I am a writer...so there is no need to hold me to anything...

I am trying to help find a missing little girl....

I posted here for your interest...but will not do so anymore...

O0

vbloke

24th July 2007, 02:40 PM

I'm in half a mind to offer to pay for ps to go to Portugal with me and show me where Madeline is buried/kept.
It should stop her incessant self-promotion and waffling anyway.

Araneus

24th July 2007, 02:45 PM

It should stop her incessant self-promotion and waffling anyway.

You know as well as anyone else that it won't make a blind bit of difference. No matter how obviously wrong psychics are, they'll always have some excuse for why their information turned out to be useless.

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 02:52 PM

You are ommitting to acknowledge one thing...the clues lead to us finding the site...

We found something of significance in a SPECIFIC place...and reported it

What site and where?

You say it has significance but do the police think it's significant?

Or are we supposed to take you at face value?

I am trying to help find a missing little girl....

No you're not - you're using her plight in an attempt to make a name for yourself even though you're fully aware that the parents do not want charlatans like you involved.

You're succeeding in getting yourself known too. Just not in the way that you'd hoped. ;D

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:04 PM

This info is NOT useless

It has already led to a discovery of great significance...which I hinted at in the article but which I can't go into further in public

I have also given the police MORE info which is not for public consumption...(nor do I expect they will make you privy to this info after Maddy is found)

I am not just an Intuitive person...I am also an academic (I have 3 degrees) ...so I am well able to think logically too...

Let me just make it clear that I came onto the net re this info because I knew that someone who could help would get in touch and go out there and find the place I have been describing (as a result of reading the posted info)

This has already HAPPENED...

O0

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:07 PM

I wrote to the Daily Express journalist to ask exactly why the Dutch Tip off has been called a cruel hoax...no reply (Predictable!)

I wonder why they stopped searching when the towel was found by the Dutch Journalists?

It is quite possible the journalists hoped this 'discovery' would lead to a more extensive search....so sure were they about their tip off...

looks like it backfired...

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 03:11 PM

OK Sarah.

Why don't you PM me with the information that you can't make public?

I'll keep it in the strictest of confidence and should it turn out to have been accurate later on I will publicly acknowledge the fact.

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:12 PM

:-\

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 03:15 PM

Astrology is just a load of flowery waffle.

How about some hard, specific facts from you?

Like I said, I'll keep them private if you wish. Put your money where your mouth is so to speak. O0

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:17 PM

Re article in the Daily Express (logical hat on)

This article is wierd....the friends are saying they saw Murat AFTER Maddy was found to have gone missing...therefore how could this citing and allegedly new evidence be true if it were Murat who took her....??

If this citing is true then it can't be Murat who took Maddy....whoever did that would be long gone and wouldn't then be seen by the pool...

I also very much doubt that whoever took her would have scuttled along an open public road....for quite a distance (see map of alleged route)

If this citing is not true well then....why is it in the paper? another red herring perhaps???

If Jane saw a guy carrying a child in a blanket...this new citing can not be true (Unless she was not part of the party in the Tapas Bar..but I gather she was...???)

If you look at the route that this guy was meant to have taken....it is out of eye shot of the Tapas bar and also the route back to the apartment...

This smacks of nonsense to me....Who was the police source who divulged this info to the press...? I thought they kept all evidence quiet

Gerry is quoted in the article thanking everyone for their help again.....which is nice...

I am wondering if this article is pr to help keep the Maddy Campaign alive (quite right too)....

She is allegedly seen being taken towards the sea...therefore she might have been put into a boat and therefore she could be anywhere...Mmmmm....

Right????

That is interesting re Malinka and his links with boats etc.....and it certainly looks interesting re Murat and Malinka...perhaps then if this is true...the citings of Murat by the pool are just an attempt to link him to the scene....

What of the citings of three people with a child at the petrol station filling up?? Again did that actually happen?

No wonder the evidence is confused in this case!!!!

It would help if people told the truth...

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:22 PM

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:30 PM

I am already known John...I am trying to HELP

I already explained I came onto the internet because I felt someone would get in contact and go out and find the site (because I couldn't)

This HAPPENED...

I am disappointed in this reply from you

No I won't send you the details privately of what I told the police...precisely because this is NOT about making a name for myself...and it is probably illegal for me to do that anyhow

I am just a citizen to gave up another kind of evidence at the end of the day

It is something I was meant to do to try and help...and it has already yielded something of significance..

Goodbye...

:sad:

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 03:30 PM

Well consider this Sarah:

If you start claiming that you helped solve this case later on and you have not given your details to someone independent then no one will believe you.

You should consider giving your information to at least 2 independent people so should you make claims later on then at least you will have 2 or more independent sources who can confirm what you say.

If one of those sources is a skeptical organisation then it will carry a lot more weight than giving it to a friend, for example.

Anything you give me will be kept confidential. We are skeptics after all and we're prepared to test things rigorously but fairly. If we lose the trust of others then we'll never have further opportunities to do that. Maintaining integrity is paramount for us.

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:34 PM

I will NEVER claim I helped solve this case...that is not what this is about...It is all too sad for that

I have sent this info to reporters in the Algarve (in the hope they might go find the place!) ...I have many contacts in the media here in Ireland and they all know

A story has been in the Sunday Mirror here in Ireland (last week)...and the police have it all and more

I don't care whether people believe me or not...Nor do I care for public acknowledgement after wards (in fact I would rather NOT be linked with this)

I did what I did and hopefully it will lead to her being found...it may not though (as people are not obliged to listen)

But found she will be anyway...

:'(

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 03:36 PM

Sorry, but I don't believe that your motivation is purely altruistic.

Your claim that you wanted someone to contact you only arose after it happened.

If you're not prepared to back up your claims by supplying the evidence then, to me, it only serves to strengthen what I say.

Claiming that you've found something significant but refuse to say what it is just looks like evasion.

vbloke

24th July 2007, 03:38 PM

John...I know what people think re astrology ...it is there for your interest...Any way it helped me get more of a sense of Murat in particular....it is possible if you are intuitive to get quite a detailed profile from someone re their chart...(you can 'breathe them in if you like')It helps you get a sense of what someone is like in much the same as as casting bones or chicken gizzards - ie: useless, pointless and a waste of time. If you can tell me exactly HOW astrology can work, then we might consider your waffle.

This is for your interest ...I do understand the skeptical point of view...(I am academically trained)
This is for your self-promotion. Just because someone has academic qualifications, does not stop them from believing in rubbish.

But I think we should all be more open mindedbut not so open minded our brains fall out.

I think you will find there is something happening re this Maddy case...There is, and you can be sure that the police will be on top of it, no thanks to psychics or intuitives, but through a lot of hard work.

As I said we already found stuff of significance...though I find it interesting cos I do not pick up that they then did a more extensive search. (makes you wonder!)If you can't reveal what you said/wrote, then you can't bring it up here. It's like saying "I know where treasure is buried, but I'm not telling you where it is until someone else finds it!" and saying "I knew it was going to be there" when it is found - worthless.

I do not want or need public acknowledgement re Maddy...I am trying to help find her...and I do appreciate it is controversial I have come on the net to try to do so...but this is because of the agendas at play in this case. (It has already led to someone going out there and finding something...)
If you don't need publicity, whey are you going on a load of public forums spouting the same waffle if it's not for exposure?

If you were not interested in publicity at all, you wouldn't do any of this, just contact the relevant authorities and keep a low profile.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much...

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:41 PM

No John...I couldnt say what the first posts on the mirror and sky forums were there for...though I did hint at it on the mirror thread that has been deleted..and I think there is an explanation of that early in the sky thread too...

But this was my motivation for taking this route...absolutely...

If you think this is not altruistic that is fine...it really IS

There is quite a detailed hint in the article at what we found...but I can't go further...it doesn't matter if it looks evasive...it isn't it is just keeping within the bounds of the law...

vbloke

24th July 2007, 03:44 PM

Let's look at the facts:

NO psychic has ever helped the police in the course of an official investigation.

Every police force we have contacted have replied that they DO NOT use psychics in their investigations.

All you have done is provide some vague waffle about a yellow house and the like.

I'd be surprised if you DIDN'T find something (even though you won't say what it is) in a piece of scrubland - people dump / leave things all over the place. I myself found a solid silver hip flask in a field a few years ago - it only means that someone dropped it, nothing more.

You are a serial fantasist, delusional and very possibly hampering the police investigation. I suggest that if you are truly concerned for Madeline, you stop this fantasy and let the police do their work.

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:47 PM

v bloke...you're very wrong

we found something very defiinite that suggested some very dubious activity ...

you obviously haven't done your research re psychics and the police...they won't admit to you that they use the likes of me...

we are just citizens with a different kind of evidence...

I am certainly NOT delusional nor a serial ...anything!!!

I'm perfectly sane thanks!

chow....

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 03:52 PM

I don't care whether people believe me or not...

I've suspected this all along. ;)

You and the other 'psychics' are in it for the ego-trip. I suppose having the illusion that you have some magical power that can be used to guide and influence events makes you feel rather special and important.

I know I keep repeating myself but this is all about you and your fantasy. It's nothing to do with finding Madeleine or helping the police.

I've given you the opportunity to share what you claim to have found that is significant but you refuse to do so.

If you were really serious you'd jump at the chance. Instead, we get excuses.

You're no different to any other psychic claimant Sarah - as soon as you're asked to back up your claims with evidence you do what they all do: make excuses and back out.

Perhaps that's because: psychics cannot do what they claim they can do. ;)

vbloke

24th July 2007, 03:53 PM

then tell us what it was, or stop going on about it.

I know an awful lot about psychics, the police and I'm also an academic. Checkmate.

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:53 PM

Jocky

24th July 2007, 03:57 PM

It led to a significant discovery and that is good enough for me

Did I miss something? To what significant discovery did sarah's ramblings lead ???

psychicsarah

24th July 2007, 03:59 PM

read the article...can you not put two and two together???

or read the sky news thread more closely...

chow....O0

Jocky

24th July 2007, 04:05 PM

you obviously haven't done your research re psychics and the police...they won't admit to you that they use the likes of me...

we are just citizens with a different kind of evidence...

Research (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=47)

Claiming that the Police actually do use psychic "evidence" but just won't admit to it is a preposterous argument. The only evidence of any value in the end is that which can be used in court, and any officer who stood up and said they found out so-and-so because some random member of the public had a dream about it would be literally laughed out of court.

Unless of course you have evidence for your assertion that the Police use psychic powers to catch villains.

No? Thought not.

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 04:08 PM

we found something very defiinite that suggested some very dubious activity ...

That is completely vague, totally meaningless, and unverifiable.

It means precisely nothing.

you obviously haven't done your research re psychics and the police...they won't admit to you that they use the likes of me...

Of course we've done research. See: Police use of psychics (http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=police_and_psychics.php).

See, that's what's known as verifiable evidence.

I am certainly NOT delusional nor a serial ...anything!!!

Well I'm not a psychiatrist but I'd love to hear the opinion of one. To see the level of fantasy that some of the psychics in this case have shown is beyond healthy to me.

The 'fantasy-prone personality' can actually seem perfectly normal in every day life. It's not until their fantasy is mentioned that they reveal themselves to be delusional.

And to be perfectly frank, some of the things that psychics come out with really do look like delusions - as a psychiatrist would recognise them.

What about the trip that Amanda Hart took us on? What about the musings of Rev. Hubbard?

Sorry, but that's pure delusion - not an ability. And you're of the same ilk Sarah. You're not being objective. In fact, you're purposely avoiding being objective, and sticking with the idea that you have the ability to affect events in Portugal from Ireland.

vbloke

24th July 2007, 04:39 PM

wrong again V Bloke

keeping this public is important...or was up to a point...the details of why are on the SKY news thread...

I only got breakthroughs on this by doing what I did...

I was not able to go to Portugal (though I am now looking into it)

The info has gone through the correct channels too...everything here and more

I am now going to stop the public aspect of this work...

It led to a significant discovery and that is good enough for me

I am not backing out of anything...I am perfectly open about what I do as you will see by the fact I came on here for your interest's sake

(Because I understand the skeptic take on such things)

over and out O0
Pure fantasy.

If it's SO important, then why keep it a secret?

You really can't see that nothing you are saying is in any way evidence, or could be counted on as evidence in any court in any country on this planet. As John said, it would be laughed out of court.

If you're not backing out of anything, put your money where your mouth is and say something that doesn't sound like the delusional ramblings of a serial fantasist and actually predict something specific and not some vague nonsense.

You are not seeing the woods for the trees - the ONLY reason you're spouting off on these forums is not to reach the family, but to find like-minded fantasists to prop up your fantasy and massage your ego. You will find none of that here.

If you truly wanted to help find Madeline, you would be over in Portugal now, volunteering for police duties and helping comb through the countryside for clues, not sat hundreds of miles away, writing vague ramblings on messageboards. It's quite frankly pitiful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

John Jackson

24th July 2007, 05:58 PM

I am not backing out of anything...I am perfectly open about what I do as you will see by the fact I came on here for your interest's sake

Right, let's make this clear.

Psychic Sarah (http://www.sarahdelamerehurding.com/) has:
Made a claim that she has provided significant and useful information to the police;
Been asked to provide that information, which would be kept in confidentiality if required, so that it can be evaluated later for accuracy;
Has been advised that this information be given to other independent parties too to guard against tampering with it;
Has refused to provide this information; and
Resorted to making implausible excuses for not doing so. It would not be illegal to provide this information, for example.So let's be clear here.

A self-proclaimed psychic is being given the opportunity to provide evidence which could be used to back up her claims. This would mean that if her psychic information really was significant and really did help the police there would be tangible proof that this was true.

Now, the obvious question we should all be asking ourselves is: why is the psychic refusing to provide information that could be used to evaluate her claim?

.

Bat E Bird

24th July 2007, 07:58 PM

I hope Sarah is correct. Not because I'm bothered about her credibility now or in future but because, like everyone, I want Madeleine to be found.

I've read most of the information that Sarah's given, during her process of elimination, on other forums so it isn't predicting, it's amateur sleuthing.

The only bit I haven't read before, is the information about the suspected location but, as I've seen Sarah's opinions change over the weeks and I've seen where she's removed previous postings, I don't hold much hope.

The date of the original posting is 15th July and I'm sure that the information would have been sent to the Police and reporters prior to this.

If someone in authority has taken her information seriously, why aren't we now reading reports that Madeleine has been found?

Bat E Bird

24th July 2007, 08:26 PM

Someone emailed me about that forum and it's commented on here: http://www.ukskeptics.com/commentary/2007/07/22/madeleine-mccann-psychic-predictions-and-insights/

I don't know who these guys are though.

I found it ironic that psychics, people who give out completely erroneous and uncorroborated information, should be so offended by someone else doing exactly the same thing!

Their proviso for being a 'genuine psychic' seems to be that you have to say nice things. ::)

To me, it shouldn't be about how nice the things they say are but how accurate they are.

It was quite revealing about how they think actually. They took it implicitly that the posting was a load of rubbish (i.e. not accurate) and were deeply shocked that someone could come out with such statements.

Perhaps they should apply the same level of insight to the complete crap they come out with themselves? Then they might just realise why non-psychics are equally as disgusted at the rubbish that they come out with.

I understand what you are saying and agree that psychics shouldn't meddle when they don't know for definite. However, there is still a kinder way of saying things and no need to use shock tactics.

I also know that some of the people complaining about the posting are not and do not claim to be psychic. They are members of another forum that I've been following since Madeleine first disappeared.

Like me, some of them want to believe that real psychics exist, but can't until there's proof.

I know you'll laugh but I enjoy reading Matt James's blog. Nothing may come of his predictions but at least it gives hope.

It entertains me anyway :smiley:

As an afterthought, I also enjoy reading Mike Hitchen's blog. I find this entertaining but in a different way and he obviously isn't psychic (well I don't think he is ???) LOL

Just because I find someone's writing and opinions interesting, doesn't mean I agree with every word.

John Jackson

25th July 2007, 09:03 AM

I know you'll laugh but I enjoy reading Matt James's blog. Nothing may come of his predictions but at least it gives hope.

I'd be interested to know how you think that psychics (particularly this one) give "hope".

They are of no use whatsoever. If anything they're a hindrance. They waste police time as the police are duty bound to read the tripe they send in (in case one of them is involved somehow ;)).

I'm glad it entertains you though. ::)

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:18 AM

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:24 AM

I do not think I have the ability to affect events in Portugal

I have been very practical and matter of fact about passing on the information and have followed the correct proceedures...

You are making assumptions about what you think I am about...none of them are true.

I AM being objective..I am NOT personally invested in this ...therefore it makes me objective about it...I am simply acting on the info that I got and I am not concerned about my credibility...I am trying to help find this little girl... don't shoot the messenger..

I am a practical person and have offered practical help in this and as I said we found a place of significance already in the area I described...

I am not concerned about proving it to you..though it could be done...Anyway the threads are a kind of evidence to what I am saying

NB...matt james is not wasting police time ...he is simply posting on his web site...please God he is right on this matter ...re Maddy

***

On the way home from this yesterday I bumped into the local jeweller chatting to the local policeman...we talked about Maddy

I said that I was thinking about phoning the police (to follow up the evidence sent by the local station here in Dublin) and asked him what he thought about the whole thing....(Details of which I won't put up here)

I said why would they listen to me when they have 2 dossiers full of stuff from psychics..?

His reply?

'why wouldn't they...'

There you go....straight from the horses mouth...

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:38 AM

I agree with you that many alleged psychic dreams...visions...abstract words etc...do look very delusional....but usually these type of utterances are from those just beginning to hone their gift. Equally they may not actually have much of a gift but they may think they have....this probably gives rise to what you are describing...and actually I would agree TOTALLY with you about psychics if this were the end of it

BUT...you won't find delusional uttterances amongst those who truly have the gift.

There is a nomand's land I believe between feeling that you might have a gift and becoming really accurate with it's use. ie))) it can be developed...

Even then NOT everyone has a gift that could be used professionally.

But many psychics on the ground (who perhaps don't step out into the media) are uncannily brilliant...They attract the people they are meant to help...I believe that is how it works (the psychic on the film The Gift would be this type of psychic)

I find it it incredible that you pass judgement on something you actually know little about...and I am interested in why you are so interested in it if you feel it is all nonsense

I have a feeling you would actually like there to be such a thing ...but you are just looking for the way to prove it

FAir enough...out and out proofs may in time be possible...that remains to be seen

Do more research...learn about what a 'GIFT' actually IS before you pass judgement on it

This is surely about keeping an open mind....

our minds are complex..not everything is logical

and it is absolutely ignorant and stupid to dismiss anything and everything you can't prove as a delusional utterance...

Life is more complex than that and we as humans are more complex, creative and wonderful than that too

John...I do not think I have the ability to affect events in Portugal

I have been very practical and matter of fact about passing on the information and have followed the correct proceedures...

You are making assumptions about what you think I am about...none of them are true.

I AM being objective..I am NOT personally invested in this ...therefore it makes me objective about it...I am simply acting on the info that I got and I am not concerned about my credibility...I am trying to help find this little girl... don't shoot the messenger..

I am a practical person and have offered practical help in this and as I said we found a place of significance already in the area I described...

I am not concerned about proving it to you..though it could be done...Anyway the threads are a kind of evidence to what I am saying

NB...matt james is not wasting police time ...he is simply posting on his web site...please God he is right on this matter ...re Maddy

***

On the way home from this yesterday I bumped into the local jeweller chatting to the local policeman...we talked about Maddy

I said that I was thinking about phoning the police (to follow up the evidence sent by the local station here in Dublin) and asked him what he thought about the whole thing....(Details of which I won't put up here)

I said why would they listen to me when they have 2 dossiers full of stuff from psychics..?

His reply?

'why wouldn't they...'

There you go....straight from the horses mouth...

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:42 AM

You haven't yet read of her being found ...because I really don't think they searched after the ex police officer pointed out the site

The local cop dismissed the child's pink top as being 'not what Maddy was wearing'

He asked why they were all in the area and told them off for trying to find her...when he went up to view what they have found he changed his tone and said...'well you could have been just out for a walk'

When this is all over if I feel it is appropriate I will ask the local police here for the information I gave to them and ask if they will give it to you for the sake of your research...

I can't really do more than that I don't think..(But I feel they will do that )

re the Mc Cann's

The family are not open to using psychics which is another reason I took the route I did with this. They are very religious (as AM I) ...but the detectives that came to me made this point and said they may well not listen because of this...

the information went to the police not to the Mc Cann's....They are leaving the police to do their job and can't give anything any attention unless it comes through the correct channels

This is a catch 22 on that front

I admitt I have entered into some amateur sleuthing in the last week...(ONLY)...that is because the case has begun to grab my interest...

Jocky

25th July 2007, 11:45 AM

I agree with you that many alleged psychic dreams...visions...abstract words etc...do look very delusional [snip] You won't find delusional uttterances amongst those who truly have the gift
though

How can one tell the difference between "gift" and delusion?

I find it it incredible that you pass judgement on something you actually know little about...

Why do you assert that people here know little about it? Many of us have looked into it extensively. I suspect you assume that because skeptics do not share your belief system, they must therefore be ignorant. This is not the case.

I am interested in why you are so interested in it if you feel it is all nonsense

I have a feeling you would actually like there to be such a thing ...but you are just looking for the way to prove it

What you or I (or anybody else) would or wouldn't like to be true is completely irrelevant. Either psychic powers exist, or they do not - and this is totally unrelated to anybody's subjective belief.

Do more research...learn about what a 'GIFT' actually IS before you pass judgement on it

See my earlier question - how are we supposed to distinguish "gift" from delusion, when they both produce exactly the same results?

This is surely about keeping an open mind....

::) Read this (http://www.skeptics.org.uk/article.php?dir=articles&article=the_open_mind.php)

it is absolutely ignorant and stupid to dismiss anything and everything you can't prove as a delusional utterance...

Wrong. You do not seem to understand how to study reality, and how to distinguish it from subjective fancies made up inside someone's head.

It is reasonable to proceed on the assumption that something does not exist if there is no evidence for it. There is no evidence at all to support the existence of psychic powers. QED.

If such evidence could be found, it would be a different matter. But so far it has not, despite many people trying very hard to find it.

If you can produce such evidence, or are willing to participate in research to try and generate it, then say so. If you are not willing to do this, you have no right to criticise people for taking a position on the basis of the absence of such evidence.

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:55 AM

I do understand

Much of what you say is right...and I agree with it totally

I find myself reading what some people are saying on this matter and going...

'well they're not right on that point'...nor that one....but there is a little bit of something in that point'

I am not saying I am right...but I can only say what I am getting on this

The REALITY is we followed up the info I got and FOUND something out there IN THE PLACE I SAID>>>>

What you don't appreciate is that there IS a way to distinguish between what one's imagination might come up with (and I agree with you I think many people have a vivid imagination) ...and what comes through as a clear message (despite of what one might think, wish and hope for on a subject)

Believe me If I wanted attention on this I could have done SO much press on MADDY IS ALIVE AND WELL and living in luxury in Morrocco

(as I believe a couple of psychics have done)

BUT I would have (In my opinion) been lying and would have been guilty of what you are saying ie) saying something 'nice' for the attention

The irony on this point is that the truth is simple in this matter and

I am telling the TRUTH (as I see it)

John Jackson

25th July 2007, 11:55 AM

Sarah,

You have been given the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is and provide your evidence and you have refused to do so.

I suspect that you either have not given any evidence and you're making false claims or if you have given something to the police that it was of no significance whatsoever.

The fact that we have heard nothing about it from the police suggests that I am right.

As for other issues:

The SPR was founded in 1882. In the following 125 years of research they haven't come up with a single robust example of psychic ability. What does that tell us?

I am actually interested in psychics from a psychology point of view. Why is it that people strongly believe they have such abilities (or that others have them) when this ability simply doesn't exist?

Most of the time I'm not actually all that concerned about what psychics do as it's mostly harmless and it even benefits some clients who seem to need guidance to make decisions etc. (those who have an 'external locus of control').

I do draw the line, however, when psychics involve themselves with missing persons and murder cases. Why do they think they have the right to involve themselves with other people's distress?

Have a look at Narcissistic Personality Disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder) (particularly the diagnostic criteria) and see how well it matches up the fantasy-prone, egotistical psychics who are using people's misfortune to bolster their own sense of self-importance.

I'd also urge people to read the Voice for the Missing (http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/) blog to see what this particular type of psychic really gets up to.

They truly are 'Psychic Predators'.

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:56 AM

I do understand

Much of what you say is right...and I agree with it totally

I find myself reading what some people are saying on this matter and going...

'well they're not right on that point'...nor that one....but there is a little bit of something in that point'

I am not saying I am right...but I can only say what I am getting on this

The REALITY is we followed up the info I got and FOUND something out there IN THE PLACE I SAID>>>>

What you don't appreciate is that there IS a way to distinguish between what one's imagination might come up with (and I agree with you I think many people have a vivid imagination) ...and what comes through as a clear message (despite of what one might think, wish and hope for on a subject)

Believe me If I wanted attention on this I could have done SO much press on MADDY IS ALIVE AND WELL and living in luxury in Morrocco

BUT I would have (In my opinion) been lying and would have been guilty of what you are saying ie) saying something 'nice' for the attention

The irony on this point is that the truth is simple in this matter and

I am telling the TRUTH (as I see it)

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 11:59 AM

No I haven't refused...I have offered to get the info from the local police here in Dublin for you AFTER she is found

John.....please STOP projecting psychological disorders onto me...I am from a medical family...and I have studied psychology...I happen to know I am perfectly within a norm (whatever that means) thankyou very much

I am not in the least bit narcissistic....STOP projecting....

I do understand

Much of what you say is right...and I agree with it totally

I find myself reading what some people are saying on this matter and going...

'well they're not right on that point'...nor that one....but there is a little bit of something in that point'

I am not saying I am right...but I can only say what I am getting on this

The REALITY is we followed up the info I got and FOUND something out there IN THE PLACE I SAID>>>>

What you don't appreciate is that there IS a way to distinguish between what one's imagination might come up with (and I agree with you I think many people have a vivid imagination) ...and what comes through as a clear message (despite of what one might think, wish and hope for on a subject)

Believe me If I wanted attention on this I could have done SO much press on MADDY IS ALIVE AND WELL and living in luxury in Morrocco

BUT I would have (In my opinion) been lying and would have been guilty of what you are saying ie) saying something 'nice' for the attention

The irony on this point is that the truth is simple in this matter and

I am telling the TRUTH (as I see it)

Jocky

25th July 2007, 12:03 PM

What you don't appreciate is that there IS a way to distinguish between what one's imagination might come up with (and I agree with you I think many people have a vivid imagination) ...and what comes through as a clear message (despite of what one might think, wish and hope for on a subject) ... I am telling the TRUTH (as I see it)

I do not doubt that you are telling subjective truth. I dispute the relationship you claim between your thoughts and physical reality.

What exactly is the way to distinguish between "imagination" and "a clear message"?

Jocky

25th July 2007, 12:05 PM

Please STOP projecting psychological disorders onto me

Huh? ???

Don't take it personally Sarah, it's only a chat on a forum!

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 12:07 PM

Yes I know...that is difficult to explain...I will try to think of a way to do that

But you have pin pointed the very thing that needs to be established if The Gift or sixth sense is to be proven (perhaps it never will be proven...)

I will think about it for you

Yes I am telling the subjective truth on this matter...and I can only describe it as it has happened after all...

Thanks J... you're a good sort!

vbloke

25th July 2007, 12:13 PM

No I haven't refused...I have offered to get the info from the local police here in Dublin for you AFTER she is found
Then can you provide the local police force address, so that we can enquire with them ourselves?

The REALITY is we followed up the info I got and FOUND something out there IN THE PLACE I SAID>>>>
I can walk down the street or in an isolated area anywhere in almost any country and find something. It's what you read into that object that turns it from "I found something" to "this is significant". The fact that you found something, when you steadfastly refuse to produce evidence, means that we can discount it as another fantasy - "that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 12:14 PM

Absolutely I will....

yes I see what you are saying re finding something 'of significance'

But it is odd that I described (from Dublin) the EXACT local of a place (in Portugal) that looked as if it had seen some very dubious activity...

very near to the place of the Dutch tip off...

Jocky

25th July 2007, 12:34 PM

you have pin pointed the very thing that needs to be established if The Gift or sixth sense is to be proven (perhaps it never will be proven...)

I will think about it for you

Exactly - that is why I ask. It is the crux of the matter.

I remain skeptical of the existence of psychic powers until their existence can be supported by credible evidence. And in order to find such evidence we first have to know what we are testing for. Please let me know if you come up with a meaningful definition of the "gift".

psychicsarah

25th July 2007, 12:41 PM

Well I think there are 101 definitions of The Gift

I need to find a way to describe it to you...

whether it can be proven or not I don't know....just as you can't prove you love your wife, daughter, brother..

I am not yet sure I can PROVE the gift exists....

(though I have done lots of TV and radio where I have been under test type conditions...ie what record am I going to play next?....who is going to be in the band out of final 32 contestants? ....who is going to win the Irish Election ....yadda yadda ....

I got them all RIGHT incidentally (and no I haven't got anything of that nature wrong) ....BUT perhaps it is just incidental and coincidental from the skeptics point of view)

Will ponder your question...

John Jackson

25th July 2007, 12:49 PM

John.....please STOP projecting psychological disorders onto me

It's not specifically at you, it's at you and all the other 'psychics' who've involved themselves in this case.

A lot of people read this thread and I think it would be useful for them to consider the point seriously. i.e. what is really the motivation behind 'psychics' involving themselves with this case so publicly?

As I've pointed out previously, I do not accept that self-proclaimed psychics who post under their own name, linking to their own website, on several public forums/blogs are doing it for any reason other than for self-serving ones.

Jocky

25th July 2007, 12:50 PM

Well I think there are 101 definitions of The Gift

I need to find a way to describe it to you...

Notice that I said "meaningful definition", BTW. That means I'm not after a woolly metaphor - I'm looking for something concrete and ultimately falsifiable. If it is not falsifiable, it's meangingless.

From your descriptions of things you believe you can do and have done, it sounds to me as if your "gift" could be given a falsifiable definition. This is good.

I am not yet sure I can PROVE the gift exists....

Let's explore it and find out, then.

I have done lots of TV and radio where I have been under test type conditions [snip] perhaps it is just incidental and coincidental from the skeptics point of view

If you could reproduce such abilities a statistically significant number of times under controlled conditions, it is not incidental and is extremely unlikely to be coincidental. If.

Dr B

25th July 2007, 01:38 PM

Dear self-claimed-psychic-Sarah

I have some magic beans for sale. Please send £2000 to the UKS charity and I will send them to you. Now, when they arrive they may look, appear, and smell like jelly bean sweets......but keep an open mind on their magic potential.

Plant them in a garden and wait for them to grow. Of course, you will only see the beanstalk if you keep an open mind......

:eek3:

I also have a pet unicorn for sale.....though to the closed-minded it looks like a dog...

Julia

25th July 2007, 01:56 PM

OMG, I've always wanted a pet unicorn! The fact that it looks like a dog doesn't bother me at all - if you say it's a unicorn and I believe it's a unicorn that's good enough for me!

How much are you asking, and would you consider payment in fairy gold? :cheesy:

vbloke

25th July 2007, 01:57 PM

Absolutely I will....well then..?

yes I see what you are saying re finding something 'of significance'exactly - no evidence, no sale.

But it is odd that I described (from Dublin) the EXACT local of a place (in Portugal) that looked as if it had seen some very dubious activity...

very near to the place of the Dutch tip off...
not really, having been to Portugal many times, I can tell you that a lot of the countryside there looks the same. It's be harder to find one part of the Portuguese countryside that looks unique. You can retrofit this information easily, once the event has passed, if nobody saw your original tip off.

I could, if I wanted, reel off a list of places in Portugal that would undoubtly look identical to the place you claim to have found something.

Dr B

25th July 2007, 01:58 PM

Hi Julia

My bank manager does not have an open-mind so hard cash is all i can accept.......;D;D

I will put a stamp on the unicorn's head and ram it in the post to you...

Matt

25th July 2007, 05:53 PM

Sarah,

If you have information which could be used to verify the value of Psychics but are temporarily unable to make it public then let's not waste the opportunity.

I suggest that you write the information down, seal it in an envelope and send it by recorded delivery to a mutually trusted third party. Put the recorded delivery sticker over the envelope flap so that it cannot be tampered with.

At a time that you specify e.g. after conclusion of a court case, or whenever your temporary reasons for keeping the information sealed have expired then the envelope can be opened in front of neutral witnesses.

happyanne

25th July 2007, 09:27 PM

Sarah, didn't you find a child's pink top? is this the item of significance or are you referring to something else????

Bat E Bird

25th July 2007, 09:57 PM

The local cop dismissed the child's pink top as being 'not what Maddy was wearing'

Sarah, where did you get the information about a pink top? Is this what you 'feel' or is it a fact?

It's just that I've read that they found a towel during their search but this is the first time I've heard about another item. I've enquired on the other forum I follow, which contains details of all newspaper reports, and no-one else has heard anything either.

Thanks :smiley:

John Jackson

26th July 2007, 11:22 AM

I think I saw Sarah refer to some pyjamas at one point.

I'm not sure if they're meant to be what's significant.

Sarah refuses to say anyway so I'll guess we'll only find out after the event - as usual.

psychicsarah

26th July 2007, 03:16 PM

Okay thanks for that John...I just don't think it is helpful to dismiss ALL psychics as delusional though

There really IS such a thing as the GIft...and it remains to be seen if we can perhaps amass evidence enough to prove this...

I would just prefer not to do it re this case (It would be bad taste for me to fix you up with the police on this matter until AFTER she is found and again after a respectful length of time...I hope you can understand that...they would still have their dated records )

I agree a few psychics have come forward publically re Maddy....not many though...more though will have sent their info to the portuguese police...as this is normally the done thing...ie send any insights direct to the police rather than go public...

I explained the reasons why in this case I did take this approach...

(to do with the Mc cann's themselves and to do with the Portuguese secrecy laws and proceedures etc...and especially to do with the fact that they had already dismissed the Dutch tip off as a hoax...I would LOVE to know why they did that so quickly...)

Yes a child's pink top was found (and some tissues and other sundry items indicating sexual activity...)

The cop apparently dismissed the top as 'not Maddy's which I do feel was the correct assumption...as I said to the ex police officer who found the place...it does not inevitably link to Maddy (what was found)...I do not actually think it does...and I said this

What I DO feel though is that she IS to be found in the area...this place I am describing DOES exist...indeed as I mention in the article (aka waffle) we have found it...

I am at least glad to have found such a place and informed the police..but you would have thought that this would get them thinking

'let's ground search again'

But no ...I don't think it has as yet had that effect...

Incidentally this is a very remote place...one where you would not just happen upon something...(V bloke)

In fact it is a place with such a hideous ambience that I don't even think the innocent rambler would frequent it

So we found a very specific scene if you like in a very remote location which fits the description I had posted up...

It haunts me that the ex police officer may only have been within 10 feet of Maddy...

PLease God MAddy IS still alive ...but I can't dismiss what has happened thus far and still feel that it looks good for her to be found alive and thriving...

As I have said all along I sincerely hope I am WRONG....

psychicsarah

26th July 2007, 03:23 PM

Okay thanks for that John...I just don't think it is helpful to dismiss ALL psychics as delusional

There really IS such a thing as the GIft...and it remains to be seen if we can perhaps amass evidence enough to prove this...

I would just prefer not to do it re this case (It would be bad taste for me to fix you up with the police on this matter until AFTER she is found and again after a respectful length of time...I hope you can understand that...they would still have their dated records )

I agree a few psychics have come forward publically re Maddy....not many though...more though will have sent their info to the portuguese police...as this is normally the done thing...ie send any insights direct to the police rather than go public...

I explained the reasons why in this case I did take this approach...

(to do with the Mc cann's themselves and to do with the Portuguese secrecy laws and proceedures etc...and especially to do with the fact that they had already dismissed the Dutch tip off as a hoax...I would LOVE to know why they did that so quickly...)

Yes a child's pink top was found (and some tissues and other sundry items indicating sexual activity...)

The cop apparently dismissed the top as 'not Maddy's which I do feel was the correct assumption...as I said to the ex police officer who found the place...it does not inevitably link to Maddy (what was found)...I do not actually think it does...and I said this

What I DO feel though is that she IS to be found in the area...this place I am describing DOES exist...indeed as I mention in the article (aka waffle) we have found it...

I am at least glad to have found such a place and informed the police..but you would have thought that this would get them thinking

'let's ground search again'

But no ...I don't think it has as yet had that effect...

Incidentally this is a very remote place...where you would NOT just happen upon something...V BLOKE?...believe me you wouldn't be in a place like this on a daily / random basis...

In fact it is a place with such a hideous ambience that I don't even think the innocent rambler would frequent it

So we found a very specific scene if you like in a very remote location which fits the description I had posted up...

It haunts me that the ex police officer may only have been within 10 feet of Maddy...(she stopped searching when she made the significant find and I didn't hear about it all until they got back home...THAT was frustrating as I would have got them to search in and around the derelict house and along the broken wall...)

PLease God MAddy IS still alive ...but I can't dismiss what has happened thus far and still feel that it looks good for her to be found alive and thriving...

As I have said all along I sincerely hope I am WRONG....

Matt yes I could do that...I will write up a report of what has happend thus far...and of what else I picked up...I can not been more open on here.....

Yes we found a child's pink top (see above)

Yes they found a towel in the search re the Dutch tip off....

But you know what I think re that?

It was possibly planted by reporters who (RIGHTLY) wanted the tip off to be taken seriously and the police sussed this and stopped the search...because again I do not feel that the towel links to Maddy

This seriously backfired and is probably why they dismissed it ALL as a cruel hoax...when the irony is it really was NOT a hoax...

The Hoax was (perhaps) the towel NOT the tip off...

psychicsarah

26th July 2007, 03:33 PM

Matt there won't be a court case re this case unless they cook up some evidence...this person left no trace...

BUT they will find Maddy

I wish I could say exactly when but it won't be too long now...

NB...BATT E BIRD...my opinions haven't changed over the weeks ...they have developed. But I have been pretty consistent

psychicsarah

26th July 2007, 03:49 PM

v bloke...I am NOT pathetic...It is not my place to go out to find Maddy.. that is what the PJ are there for

(in fact I gather they are arresting people who are out there sniffing around with reporters...etc)

Indeed for reasons I won't go into I could NOT go...Believe me if I could have gone I would have gone....(then you would have accused me of something else no doubt...)

As I said previously if I were simply being ingenuine about this and looking for attention I could have done numerous articles in the press re Maddy being alive and well and living in morrocco with a rich Arab family .... as I said, to me that does not feel like the truth though I sincerely hope it iS...

I had to try to help and this was the only way I could think of to do it...It is precisely the reason I took this route...the fact that I could not personally go out there

I posted...KNOWING that someone who could go would get in touch and go and check out the clues...

we then found what we found

And the reason that I ressumed posting after the site was found? ...

for the same reasons I began in the first place... because I did not hear from the people who found the site re the contact details of the PJ and the name of the nearby village...(only they know exactly where the site is...though I am confident that I could find it again independently)

I am phoning the police on saturday (got the details 2 days ago) ... I will then see if they want the ex police officer to go out to them again...and identitfy the place (AGAIN)...if they feel it is a significant find...

I guess I have done more than you have...right?

And no I am NOT ashamed of myself...NOR am I proud of myself...I am OBJECTIVE about this and I have simply been doing what I was meant to do to help

John...If you are unhappy with this information being up ... Do please remove the thread...until which time I will check in from time to time to explain myself if that is alright with you...

vbloke

26th July 2007, 04:17 PM

v bloke...I am NOT pathetic...It is not my place to go out to find Maddy.. that is what the PJ are there for

(in fact I gather they are arresting people who are out there sniffing around with reporters...etc)It's not your place to go and find her, it's the police's job and they are not helped by every self-proclaimed psychic in the western world bombarding them with conflicting information.

Of course they'll arrest anyone who's snooping around - it's called contaminating the crime scene and is illegal.

Indeed for reasons I won't go into I could NOT go...Believe me if I could have gone I would have gone....(then you would have accused me of something else no doubt...)

This is precisely the reason I took this route...the fact that I could not personally go out thereSo you won't go out there for reasons you won't say. Even if I offered to pay for you to go out there, you wouldn't? I'd personally enjoy seeing you out there, with a skeptic in tow, trying to pull the wool over their eyes. You wouldn't find it as easy as the "faithful", I can tell you.

It is why I posted...KNOWING that someone who could go would get in touch and go and check out the clues...

we then found what we foundYou posted knowing that it would get you attention by attaching your name to a high profile case.

This happens every time a case like this makes the news. Why aren't you out searching for the thousands of children who go missing every year but never make the news? If you're really in it for the children, then you'd hunt for them to - why aren't you?

And the reason that I ressumed posting after the site was found? ...

for the same reasons I began in the first place... because I did not hear from the people who found the site re the contact details of the PJ and the name of the nearby village...(only they know exactly where the site is...though I am confident that I could find it again independently)Because you could retrofit a vague description into something does not mean that you are at all accurate. I would wager that you would not be able to find the same site again without directions from the person who originally went there.

I am phoning the police on saturday (got the details 2 days ago) ... I will then see if they want the ex police officer to go out to them again...and identitfy the place (AGAIN)...if they feel it is a significant find...Why would they want an ex police officer to do their work for them? This makes no sense. I can guarantee you that they will not consider anything you have to say particularly significant. They will have their own lines of enquiry and will not be impressed by vague descriptions and dreams.

I guess I have done more than you have...right?I have done the more than you, in that I have not wasted police